Tuesday, November 13, 2001 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Anjuli (Miranda)
Elias arrives at 2:40 PM. (Arrival time is 27 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good evening!

ANJULI: Good evening, Elias. (Elias chuckles) Hah, it's great! I have been in objective connection with my other focus, Leslie/Myranda.

ELIAS: Ah!

ANJULI: Oh, it was such an interesting week, Elias. And you know, when Leslie and I started to connect, I didn't know what to do with my energies! I was so excited, so full of joy. (Laughs with Elias) She wanted me to tell you, "Tell him my knowledge of him and appreciation."

ELIAS: Very well, acknowledged.

ANJULI: Yes, and it was a feeling for both of us ... we were very emotional about that, so all overwhelmed with joy. She expressed it in her mail, and for me the same. It's the knowing about our essence, and we were just so happy that our essence is so playful, and that we have created this. And Elias?

ELIAS: Yes?

ANJULI: In that week, we talked last time about this "time-squeeze" session, which then got "unsqueezed," and my creations around that. (Elias laughs) I had more creations around that, because I had a group session with you, through my other focus of Leslie/Myranda.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: So "I" was there, physically.

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes.

ANJULI: In a manner of speaking, through Leslie. She was there.

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: One of our essence was there.

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: What does it mean for both of us that we now connected like this?

ELIAS: And what is your response to this question?

ANJULI: I learn more about myself.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: I feel how playful I am, and I have the feeling that this was like perfectly designed. At the beginning I was a little bit afraid what to say, or thought that I don't want to influence something, and then these fears were disappearing quickly because I felt how we have been preparing ourselves for that, I mean before it happened. So I just knew that we are ready for this. This is why we created it.

ELIAS: Correct, and in this offering yourself an opportunity to experience your individuality in personality of one focus of attention, but also allowing yourselves to experience a fuller recognition of essence and the lack of separation, which does not diminish the expression of the uniqueness of the individuality.

ANJULI: Yes, I think that's exactly what we experience, and I also think, at least for me, but I think we are quite easy in this.

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: In the last mail she wrote she somehow feels me all the time, and I could say for me it is a different awareness, like I know that all of my focuses, the present ones and the other ones, are somewhere present in me, and I kind of feel connected with them because I as essence am all of them, but this focus of Leslie/Myranda feels a little bit closer because of this objective connection.

ELIAS: I am understanding.

ANJULI: We had a question. I asked her about her alignment, and then she said she is essence family Tumold and alignment Milumet. She wanted to know why I am Milumet as essence family and Borledim alignment. I asked Michael what she was told, but he did not remember. In her first mail she asked about that, so do we have two essence families or...?

ELIAS: No. In actuality, I may express to you that this is actually an example of an action of distortion of the information.

Now; let me express to you that this is not what you may term to be a negative thing. It is merely an expression that is worthy of noticing, for in the time framework in which the information was requested and offered, an expression of distortion was occurring in relation to the energy which was being projected in that time framework.

Now; in actuality, you may express to this other focus - ha ha ha! - that the family and alignment are correct, but reverse.

ANJULI: Yes, I thought that too.

ELIAS: In this, it may be recognized [that] the intensity of energy that may be projected by individuals within any particular time framework may be actually physically altering of the information that may be transmitted, for it interferes with the translation of information. In that time framework there was an extreme generation of energy, partially in excitement and partially in an expression of a lack of trust of [the] individual's understanding of what may be presented in information. Therefore, in that projection of energy there was created a slight distortion.

Now; let me also express to you, this in actuality does not occur often, but at times there may be an expression of energy; and as each individual creates their actual expression of reality in relation to their interaction with my energy objectively, as you are aware, you all do hold the ability to be altering the actual expression and creating a distortion. But for the most part, I may express that this is not a common action which occurs, and even within this particular expression and experience it is merely a demonstration of slight confusion which may be easily expressed in clarification. Are you understanding?

ANJULI: Yes, I am understanding. (Chuckles) So she was excited. That feels quite like me!

ELIAS: Ha ha! Quite!

ANJULI: Yes! (Laughs) I am at the beginning of our conversations always excited.

In this week also I had a few creations or learnings about "there are no absolutes."

ELIAS: Quite.

ANJULI: I discovered that I feel very easy about that. It is even with this thing about Milumet/Tumold or the other way around. It was for me, for my focus, not important. I mean, I had the feeling that it was the other way around, but I was feeling playful about that.

ELIAS: (Laughs) I am quite understanding.

ANJULI: The other thing was, when I transcribed the first three sessions, in the first and in the third session you said something about the "inner sense of conceptualization"...

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: ...and I understood "innocence of conceptualization." (Laughs, and Elias chuckles) We had a little mail exchange on that and I was laughing to myself so much. I didn't feel it as a mistake. I felt it as, from my side, that I translated it like that because I felt that I talked to me through this apparent mistake.

ELIAS: I am understanding. And be remembering, my friend, in actuality there are no mistakes.

ANJULI: Yes, I think I discovered that. It is just everything talking to me, dependent on my perception?

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: So, for example, I told Ahmed about what you had said when I had later understood and expressed his essence name as Ajmed, and he was also so playful about that. He said he feels that I had seen him in some other-dimensional light. (Laughs)

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! I may also express to you, my friend, you are correct in your recognition of no absolutes and allowing yourself a playfulness in this expression. For as I have expressed from the onset of this forum, even those expressions that you view as quite absolute within your physical dimension or within consciousness, those expressions that you generally speaking do not alter or do not choose to alter, this is not to say that it is not possible to alter them. Expressions such as essence families or orientations or even gender generally are not altered, but this is not to say that you may not create that if you are choosing.

ANJULI: We could even create the alterations in the way that I, for example, listen to the tape of the first session, and then the tape suddenly says something else than it said before?

ELIAS: Yes. This is dependent upon the direction in which your attention is expressing to your perception and what you choose to be offering to yourself in information within a particular moment. This in actuality as an example does occur frequently in relation to the recording of these conversations and also in relation to the transcription of these conversations. Within one moment you may be interactive with them in one manner and you may perceive one direction, and within another moment the direction may appear to you to be quite different and the expression may appear to be quite different.

This also, my friend, is an aspect of objective imagery and that which may be emphasized in what I express to you all as being quite abstract. It is quite changeable. Objective imagery is quite flexible, and therefore although you may at times in certain moments create what may seem to be precisely or exactly the same manifestation or expression, it may be perceived quite differently in each moment; and therefore as it is perceived differently, it is in actuality physically altered. (Pause)

ANJULI: So it is also about the sessions, it does not matter which session we read, the sessions we have with you or former sessions of others. It has a lot to do with our perception, what we get from them?

ELIAS: Quite, yes.

ANJULI: So it is not necessarily about the sentences and words?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, you are correct. And as I have expressed, this also is an aspect of shifting in consciousness, redefining terms, and in the redefinition of terms or words, so to speak, you are also redefining the actual reality. (23-second pause)

ANJULI: The sessions seem to be for me, when I read them, first of all I am interested to feel into the energy exchange of you and the individual who had the session, and then also they are as if the words and the sentences are more a trigger or a gate.

ELIAS: I am understanding. Each individual creates their own unique association with the information that is offered, and in this you each also create your individual method in which you shall interact with the information and assimilate it. (Pause)

ANJULI: Another thing Leslie was interested in, and I am interested in too, she says she is so happy, she feels so good that I am discovering us - with "us" is meant our present focuses - and she was a little bit curious about our other male American focus. I anyway wanted to ask you something in regard of that.

In my childhood sometimes, when I was unhappy or challenged at school, I started to play with my sister and we imagined to be somebody else. I was always an American boy with the name Joe, and I was very playful and had more self-confidence than I have in this focus or I had as a child. In general, it was a playfulness. I slipped into that role, and this helped me a lot in that time. So I was wondering if this was either because of another past focus or it could have been a connection in some way with this present male American focus. We talked about him the last time, who has a perception like a journalist or something like that.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

ANJULI: (Excited) Oh, it was a connection with him?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: Oh! And is his name Joe or something similar?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: Is his family name Newton? (Pause)

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: Oh! I am really surprised! I know that I am always surprised when I have sessions with you and something is true which I feel, but this time it is really ... ha! I am definitely surprised! (Elias laughs) Oh, Elias, that's great! Then he has probably fair hair and blue eyes? (Pause)

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

ANJULI: Then he is using a form that I always imagined that if I would be a man I would use that form. (Elias chuckles) You also like to use that form. Probably in this we have the same likeness, huh?

ELIAS: Preference. Ha ha ha!

ANJULI: Preference, yes. (Chuckles) Then I was thinking about where he is living, and I have an impression about Washington DC, or he could have been there quite often.

ELIAS: I may express to you that this individual in your terms has visited that location, but is not residing in that location.

ANJULI: Then I will do further research in my inner.

ELIAS: Very well!

ANJULI: Did he grow up on a farm or countryside or something?

ELIAS: That which you may identify as country, but not necessarily a farm.

ANJULI: As a child I always imagined that he has a long way to school. I also had a long way to school. From the age of ten I was going to school by train. I always imagined to be him and riding on a horse. I think that was probably then a connection with a past focus, a mixture?

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct. This is not in actuality associated with this individual.

ANJULI: Yes. Hah, now we have a lot of new information! (Elias chuckles) Leslie will be happy about that, I think.

I had some airplane imageries yesterday, and I am not the only one with that imagery. I saw this time, because of what we talked about since this event with the World Trade Center, I saw when we today talked on the Elias mailing list about that, how we each one experienced this airplane crash of yesterday in our own way, like you said in the group session. For me, I had the feeling it was about ... for example, I heard in the news yesterday that there was a helicopter crashing with the Nepalese princess onboard in Nepal, and I have a focus in Nepal. So I had the feeling that, well, this was definitely an "airplane day" for my present focuses and me.

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha! And what do you view you are expressing to yourself in information?

ANJULI: I think it's about me being the pilot of my own creation and directing it to focusing on the self, and it was a little bit a feeling that I may have the desire to draw my attention from time to time away from this physical dimension, like disengaging the attention, because I have been with my attention on the outer happenings a lot, maybe.

ELIAS: I may express to you a clarification.

ANJULI: Yes?

ELIAS: This is not necessarily an expression to yourself concerning disengaging from this physical dimension and expression, but a recognition that you may be allowing yourself an action of recognizing blinking in and out in relation to other-dimensional focuses in your curiosity in relation to them.

ANJULI: Yes, so it is not about me disengaging. I think this is also not what I really felt, but it is about my desire to have my attention elsewhere too?

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: I think I had this desire sometimes maybe stronger than I was aware of. I didn't listen to it too much.

So I had a few days in which I felt ... well, we talked about that, Leslie and I, and she sometimes also feels like that, to feel a little bit alien on Earth. I know that I am usually very balanced in that, when I take care that I am alerting myself often enough to connect not only with beings or groups which are on this physical dimension.

ELIAS: Correct. Individuals that do incorporate many other-dimensional focuses many times do experience in this physical dimension a type of awareness of what you may term to be "alienship" and therefore express a translation of that within this physical dimension as being out of place, so to speak, for the other expressions of other-dimensional focuses are more familiar.

ANJULI: Yes, yes. And Elias, when I decided to have not so many focuses here in this dimension I must have had a reason for that. I must have a reason for why I have how many focuses in which dimension. The whole thing is kind of purposefully placed, all focuses?

ELIAS: Correct, and also moves in association with the preferences of each individual essence and what you are choosing to be exploring within consciousness and the manner in which you choose to create that exploration.

ANJULI: I guess I wanted to feel like my focuses here in this physical dimension feel. I had a reason that I wanted to feel like this, and maybe even in regard to the shift which we are in now, that whatever my part in this is that I have designed everything with a purpose.

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes. For all that you generate is created in association with the direction in which you choose to explore self as an action of consciousness.

ANJULI: Then, Elias, I have today, maybe mainly today and yesterday, created a little bit some situations to become aware of the entire area of taking personal responsibility, feeling responsible for others. Like for example just a few minutes before we had the session I heard my parents, my mother having troubles with my father. It was quite loud. Usually I would go down and would try to help them. This time I felt clearly that I have now created that. It fits to other questions I almost wanted to ask you, I was thinking if I should ask you, and then I felt, well, now I can experience it. So I was focusing on self and what I had learned and read in your sessions, and apparently the situation is no longer there, or anyway it is gone. And this was with a few other things also. It was a little bit difficult for me to not think I have to interfere and help.

ELIAS: For it is unfamiliar.

ANJULI: Yes.

ELIAS: But you also offer yourself much more of an expression of freedom in turning your attention to self and expressing responsibility to self rather than assuming personal responsibility for other individuals.

ANJULI: Yes. And then, as we have started with talking about other-dimension focuses, I thought we could a little bit continue with my impressions and imageries in my book about my other-dimensional focuses?

ELIAS: Very well.

ANJULI: First of all, what I see in my book is that it is talking on two levels, maybe. The one level is information I am getting about, for example, what we said about the communication and interaction of my essence and you and others...

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: ...and about the energies. Then the other level is information about my other-dimensional focuses.

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: Like for example, my focus and your focus in this other dimension with the three cities that we started to talk about last time.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: Then it could be that there are in my writings at least two or more dimensions which I am viewing. Therefore I first wanted to ask you, when you call the Earth "this physical dimension," then this is because we have certain beliefs and therefore we see what we call the universe in a specific way?

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: We think this is an absolute and everybody is living in that universe, but this is our dimension and we created it to feel that we are in a universe that looks like this and has these laws that we think it to have.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: So if there would be also life, or there maybe was life, on what we view to be another planet close to the Earth, then they would have a different view of the universe and therefore you would call them to be another dimension?

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: Aha, then I am clear about that, yes. They could, for example, start to change their beliefs about their world and those two dimensions would no longer feel to be separate from each other and would start to contact each other?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes. This is a further exploration of consciousness.

ANJULI: I have in my imagery, in my book ... well, I better start to talk with my terms, otherwise I get into difficulties. I am talking about my beings that are living on a certain planet - what I view to be a disk, not a planet, not something round - they think to be in a certain universe, and they have a sun which is not like our sun. It is an energy field, like a network, that is radiating light and has different colors in the morning and in the noon and in the evening, expanding in the noon and contracting in the evening. It is more a kind of an energy network. Is this something from another dimension, or is this my translation?

ELIAS: Yes. It is also a translation, but I may express to you that your translation is closely associated with the actual expression within the other dimension.

ANJULI: In this dimension they have, I had an imagery of as if there are countries that are looking like clouds. They are floating in space, and they are not so physical and they can change form. Sometimes parts of those countries are drawn by this energy network into more dense physical expression.

ELIAS: I am understanding, and I may express to you once again, yes, you are creating a translation, but in a manner of speaking it is a reasonable translation.

In actuality, these are collectives or what may be termed in your terminology to be colonies, not necessarily countries, and they are not in actuality expressed upon what you associate in this dimension as clouds. But I am understanding your translation of that imagery, for the expression of energy generated by these colonies may appear to you within your visualizations or your impressions as an expression that may be likened to clouds. For this, in actuality, is understandable as a translation, for you allow yourself the recognition that the energy of these colonies does interact with the pulsating of the collective expression of energy which you translate as their sun, so to speak.

ANJULI: Ah, interesting! Oh, Elias, it is so great to talk with you about that. (Elias laughs) Now I know why I had airplane imageries. (Laughs) I feel it from my joy.

There is, in the influence in one of those networks or suns or what, 12 different we could say dimensions, as they are physical. They live on a physical world, and I view them to have linear time. In the beginning they felt to be separate from each other. They had all their own beliefs, and then after a while regularly they are undergoing a kind of shift and then some of them, let's say planets or disks with people on them, they suddenly are on one place. Like either two or three or four planets or disks or people find themselves to be in the same dimension living together.

ELIAS: This, my friend, is imagery that you offer to yourself, in actuality in relation to this movement that occurs in mergence with the pulsating of the collective. Therefore what I may express to you in clarification of the imagery that you are offering to yourself is not in actuality a shift in beliefs which creates an alteration in the configuration of these separate colonies, so to speak, which you may identify as planets or disks or countries but [is] in actuality an action. That what you may term to be "regularly occurs" is a movement in which these separate bodies of collective beings, so to speak, in a pulsing action move together and merge with this collective source that you view to be the sun, so to speak, which in actuality is another source of collective consciousness but not expressed as physical beings.

ANJULI: Oh, this is why I called them "players," that there are players with a lightbody, and they are also connected to these colonies?

ELIAS: Yes, and in the action of this pulsating mergence which occurs, the colonies merge with the collective source, so to speak, temporarily experiencing the lack of separation, but also move out of this mergence once again in rhythm with this pulsing and reconfigure in their expression of the colony, incorporating individual beings. This is a regular occurrence.

ANJULI: Aha, this is why I had translated for me that when this merging occurs, that this is because of a use of some kind of magic mirror that comes from those player beings in that sun?

ELIAS: It is movement of energy, which in actuality may almost be expressed as a beam, so to speak, of energy that draws in. This is what you are imaging as your "magic mirror." Ha ha ha!

ANJULI: Then I see that the various colonies, they have what I call their own beliefs; but when I saw them, I saw that they are all the same. Like I, for example, translated that in one of those colonies they are closely connected with various kinds of trees, in another colony they create their beliefs around mountains, in others around water. That is why I thought it to be the same, because that interaction is for me, from my angle of viewing, the same, although they view it to be very different.

ELIAS: Correct, but this is not necessarily an expression of beliefs but a focus of attention concerning a collective function in association with the same generating of expression and manifestation.

Now; I may also express to you that your imagery concerning specific elements is directly associated with what is known within YOUR physical dimension, but the information that you offer to yourself concerning their collective expression of focusing attention upon generating one function and manifestation is correct in association with each colony.

ANJULI: Yes, they feel to me a little bit like the colonies of ants or bees in our dimension. They function as ... it's all very much connected.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: And I thought that they don't have a gender in that way as we have.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: I saw that there are six or various types of what I would translate as gender but is not gender. It is a difference.

ELIAS: Correct. Sexuality is not a base element of that dimension.

ANJULI: (Laughs) Yes, I was wondering why I never wrote something about that when I was writing stories about that dimension! (Elias laughs) Aha!

Then this other dimension with these three cities, where you have a focus and I have a focus that we talked about, you do something about the reconfiguring of energy. I have felt that to be very different from that other dimension, and later I tried to connect them. I was not sure if I placed that other dimension into this universe with the energy network, because probably my focus and your focus are connected with focuses in that dimension.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct, but they are different dimensions.

ANJULI: They are different, aha, yes. Now that was already a lot!

ELIAS: (Chuckles) You are allowing yourself much playfulness in exploration of other-dimensional expressions.

ANJULI: Yes, and it's fun! And, Elias, that dimension with the three cities, do they have gender there?

ELIAS: Not in what you associate as gender in this physical dimension, no. Sexuality in that dimension is also not an expression of exploration, so to speak.

ANJULI: They are experiencing energy exchange in a different way.

ELIAS: Quite.

ANJULI: Then, Elias, I would like to ask you about a friend of mine. She would like to know her essence name. Her name is Tameala. (Pause)

ELIAS: Essence name, Ricanna, R-I-C-A-N-N-A (ree CAHN ah).

ANJULI: Ah, beautiful. And she wants to know her color, and she thinks it is a shade of blue, or it is blue-green? (Pause)

ELIAS: I may express this color to be associated with a warm ocean color.

ANJULI: Beautiful. Lyryn would like to know the essence names of his wife and his daughter. His wife, Sigrid? (Pause)

ELIAS: Essence name, Abahj, A-B-A-H-J (ah BAHJZ).

ANJULI: And his daughter, Sara?

ELIAS: Essence name, Lai, L-A-I (LAY).

ANJULI: L-A-I.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: Thank you very much.

Elias, I think we have to end. But the last time, after the session, I dreamt again of you, of you visiting me.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: It was this time feeling a little bit more dreamy, but it was longer.

ELIAS: (Laughs) Therefore offering yourself an expression of ease, in a manner of speaking allowing yourself to be floating with energy rather than concentrating attention in seriousness.

ANJULI: Elias, I again felt how your energy was building up, and it was like the last time. I remember that the first time there was for me a kind of gap between me experiencing this energy and then experiencing you as form. There was a gap in-between, between this energy and form there was a gap in-between. It was a being-state without anything.

ELIAS: I am understanding. This also lends to your expression of your ability to allow yourself an experience of a lack of separation between yourself and other focuses of yourself as essence, and not necessarily threaten your individual identity. (21-second pause)

ANJULI: The last time when you visited me I was more conscious, more aware of my sleeping physical body and of what happened, and I didn't see you, I felt you. This time it was a different experience. Well, it was more dreamy, but I had the feeling when you were no longer an energy but manifest that it was at first as if you were more thin. The form was building up or what?

ELIAS: I am understanding.

ANJULI: What was that?

ELIAS: Merely a different expression of energy in playfulness. Shall you create an expectation that I shall interact with you in the precise same manner each time?

ANJULI: No! Always playful! (Elias laughs) Always a surprise! Yes! Apparently the nights after your sessions are always very special for me.

ELIAS: Ha ha! For you generate an allowance for that type of interaction.

ANJULI: Is that easier, Elias, with this visiting when I am sleeping, because I am different then at night?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes, for there is expressed more of a relaxation and less of what you may term to be boundaries, so to speak.

ANJULI: Sometimes during the day when I feel your energy here or I envision you to be here, then it is a subjective connection and I do feel your energy here?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: Because I saw that my feelings were communicating that it's true. (Laughs with Elias) Elias, thank you very much.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome, my friend, and you may offer my greetings also to your new friend and focus of Myranda.

ANJULI: Yes.

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! As always, I express great affection to you and shall continue to be expressing playful energy.

ANJULI: Yes, thank you, Elias. We will do that.

ELIAS: Very well, my friend, I anticipate our next meeting. And to you in great affection, au revoir.

ANJULI: Au revoir.

Elias departs at 3:50 PM.

(1) Originally stated as: "In this, it may be recognized the intensity of energy that may be projected by individuals within any particular time framework which may be actually physically altering of the information that may be transmitted for it interferes with the translation of information."

(2) Anjuli's note: I had my eyes closed and was not "dreamy" enough for to see him in spite of closed eyes. But I felt his energy building up and then, when he was manifest, felt his body taking my body into his arms.

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