Sunday, October 28, 2001 (Private/In Person)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Leslie (Myranda)
Elias arrives at 3:13 PM. (Arrival time is 18 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good afternoon!

LESLIE: Hi, Elias! (Elias chuckles)

ELIAS: Welcome again!

LESLIE: Thank you very much! It's good to see you again.

ELIAS: And you also.

LESLIE: Thanks. We were just talking downstairs about the meaning when you said yesterday in the group session that there are no absolutes. One of the thoughts around that was, or ideas was, that when we come into this focus we have agreements, that we all agreed that we will participate in certain beliefs that enable us to stay in this focus, as far as time-framing and mass, and that those beliefs HAVE to be absolute. But they don't, do they?

ELIAS: No.

LESLIE: Oh, good, I was right! (Elias chuckles) We can change them, can't we?

ELIAS: Yes, you may, even those that you view to be absolutes in relation to time or certain manifestations. You may bend these, and you may create them through your perception in the manner in which you choose.

LESLIE: So when we come here there is not a set perception that we agree to as an essence, as a mass essence; there are no limits that we agreed to in this dimension, or perceptions that we sign up to have or...

ELIAS: You do agree, so to speak, in choosing to manifest within this or any physical dimension to be exploring consciousness in the design of that physical dimension. But it is not an absolute, for it is bendable. You agree, so to speak, to incorporate linear time. But this is not to say that you may not move outside of linear time and continue to participate in this reality, or that you may not bend time in different manners.

LESLIE: And when we do bend the perceptions, is that something we can do individually or does it have to be all of essence, kind of like a mass group decision like "well, this really isn't working - let's bend it"?

ELIAS: At times you create this expression en masse, but the mass is created by the individuals. Therefore essentially it is the movement of each individual and an individual perception.

LESLIE: Which comes from beliefs? Does perception come from beliefs?

ELIAS: No. Perception may be influenced by your beliefs, but it is not a construct of your beliefs.

LESLIE: What IS perception?

ELIAS: Perception is a mechanism that you incorporate in consciousness, in physical manifestation, which projects outwardly from yourself and actually creates and generates ALL of the physical manifestations.

LESLIE: I was thinking about that earlier, that being in the physical dimension makes things a little bit trickier, because we're learning how to manifest in physical matter versus probably in other dimensions where you don't have that manipulation of energy into the physical. You just create.

ELIAS: In some. In some dimensions you are creating physical manifestations, and in some areas of consciousness you are not generating physical manifestations.

LESLIE: Is it harder to do it in physical?

ELIAS: It is not necessarily more difficult, but it is different for there are perceived limitations. This is not to say that you actually incorporate limitations, but as you create a physical reality in which you incorporate singularity and separation, you perceive that there are limitations.

LESLIE: Do we have that perception because it helps us manifest in the physical ... that perception is a tool, because if we didn't have it it would be very hard to manipulate energy or manifest in actual physical? If we didn't see ourselves as separate from our creations ... that's kind of what the physical is, right?

ELIAS: In this physical dimension. This is the design of this particular physical dimension, in which you incorporate a perception which projects outwardly, as I have stated previously, in similar manner to what you recognize now as a hologram. But you are incorporating actual physical matter.

LESLIE: Right. Wow! So that's pretty different.

ELIAS: Quite.

LESLIE: The things that we create, the physical manifestations, do they go on to be their own entities? I mean, is it possible to love our creations?

ELIAS: Quite! Love, in the expression of the truth of love, is knowing and appreciating. This is the genuine expression of love. Therefore, yes, if you are recognizing that every aspect of your reality has been generated by you - you have created EVERY aspect of it: every planet, every grain of sand, every individual, every experience, ALL that you interact with and view, and KNOW you have created - you already incorporate the knowing of it, and as you begin to incorporate a genuine expanded knowing...

LESLIE: Is that appreciation?

ELIAS: No. In the expanded knowing that it is YOU, you also may offer yourself permission to genuinely appreciate the wondrousness of every expression, for in each expression there is a tremendous powerfulness.

LESLIE: And I created it.

ELIAS: Correct. Even those actions or expressions that an individual views to be negative or bad incorporate tremendous power, and in that you may appreciate the creativity and the powerfulness.

LESLIE: And the passion.

ELIAS: Correct.

LESLIE: So, because of my religious upbringing, those thoughts got jumbled up in thinking the creator was something out there; so you need to give all the love and adoration that you gave that creator to yourself, because you're the creator.

ELIAS: Correct.

LESLIE: Oh! That's really fun! (Elias chuckles)

I've noticed lately on a different level that I've been just kind of figuring out my sexuality, the beliefs around it, the actions and the feelings. I've had dreams where I don't know who I'm discussing it with, but I'm discussing it. Would that be other focuses maybe? I feel as if I'm discussing it with other entities and they're kind of helping me figure it out. Is that going on right now or...?

ELIAS: Yes.

LESLIE: Oh, is it? Is the purpose so that I can just be more gentle with myself or...? I mean, I always feel good after the dreams and the discussions, more accepting.

ELIAS: It is partially an action of accepting and also allowing yourself to become more intimately familiar with you, creating your relationship with you.

LESLIE: Oh! Oh, I see. Yes, so it's allowing me to have a relationship with myself instead of projecting my sexuality onto other people and giving ... I'm encompassing that in my personality.

ELIAS: Yes.

LESLIE: So am I making pretty good progress with that? (Both laugh)

ELIAS: This also is in alignment with addressing to the wave in consciousness of sexuality. In this, you are allowing yourself to explore different aspects of this particular belief system and also explore this particular subject matter as it pertains to being a base element of the design of your physical reality.

LESLIE: So it's a base block in the foundation...

ELIAS: Yes.

LESLIE: ...sexuality is, in this design. I can't really get a handle on what the energy is, but I know it's powerful. So it must be extremely creative?

ELIAS: Quite.

LESLIE: Religion has made it into something that needs to be held down. (Elias nods in agreement) Why did religion do that?

ELIAS: Contained.

LESLIE: Contained! Why ... what? Was religion fearful of it?

ELIAS: Partially, and also you ALL have chosen to participate in this action. Therefore it is not the question that religion as an entity has created this choice, but that each individual has generated fear in association with their own abilities and power.

In the expression of separation and forgetting, you project outwardly the design of yourself as an expression outside of yourself, for you view yourselves in this physical dimension to be encompassed in this one physical manifestation, one physical body form. You view that one physical body form to be quite small. Therefore, how may you incorporate this tremendous power, this tremendous ability to be creating this tremendous energy? And in the expression of separation, you project the association of all that you genuinely are to some being that must be quite large.

LESLIE: And that can contain us.

ELIAS: Correct.

LESLIE: Do we, or I or all of us, misunderstand sexuality? I mean, have we given it attributes that it really doesn't have? It's just really a creative energy force.

ELIAS: Sexuality, as a base element of the design of this physical dimension, incorporates ALL physical manifestation, all physical expression. Emotion, as a base element of your physical dimension, incorporates communication.

Now; in the belief system of sexuality, you create many associations in a narrow view and definition of what sexuality is. You narrow your view and definition of it to merely be encompassing expressions of gender and sexual activity, which is a small expression of sexuality, so to speak. It is merely a few aspects.

LESLIE: So sexuality is more the physical and emotion is the communication.

ELIAS: Correct.

Now; in relation to your definition of sexuality which expresses sexual activity and choices and gender and functions, in relation to your question, yes, you DO attribute more expressions to these elements of your reality than are actually associated with them. You attribute many different qualities and expressions to gender. Gender in this physical dimension is merely a choice of form and function. You attribute many other...

LESLIE: Function being how a male would ... the female gender function would be the birthing process?

ELIAS: Correct.

LESLIE: And the male is just more of the, you know, planting the seed, and we're the birthing.

ELIAS: Correct. There are physical functions...

LESLIE: And they're neutral.

ELIAS: Correct!

LESLIE: It's all neutral.

ELIAS: Correct. There is no actual association of qualities attached, so to speak, to either gender. They are a form and they create a specific function, and the function that they create is in association with facilitating entering essences into a physical manifestation.

LESLIE: Is it just personal preference, like I feel like having this function?

ELIAS: Yes.

LESLIE: Just a personal preference, really.

ELIAS: The essence focuses many attentions in one physical dimension and chooses to be incorporating all of the qualities [in order] to experience all of the qualities of the design of that physical dimension.

Within this physical dimension you incorporate two genders. Therefore, you as essence shall choose to be creating many of each gender to experience that aspect of your physical reality and exploration. This physical dimension incorporates three orientations, and you create many focuses in which you incorporate each of those orientations to be experiencing the exploration in relation to those types of manifestations.

LESLIE: That would be the soft and the common?

ELIAS: Correct, and intermediate.

LESLIE: So if I try to contain my sexuality because of beliefs, all it's really doing is kind of blocking my creativity. (Laughs)

ELIAS: And your choices, for it quite limits your choices.

LESLIE: And choice is nothing but creation.

ELIAS: Correct. They are not right or wrong. Choice is also neutral. It is an avenue of movement to be exploring how you create within this physical dimension, exploring self - for all that you generate IS self. Which is, in actuality, what is created within ALL of consciousness. It is merely a matter of different areas of consciousness which create designs such as your physical dimension.

LESLIE: So the physical dimension is a design?

ELIAS: Yes. For the action of all of consciousness is continuously becoming, and the action of becoming is continuous exploration of itself.

LESLIE: There are no absolutes in the physical design?

ELIAS: Correct.

LESLIE: We don't agree to any predetermined laws before we come here? We can pretty much manipulate energy any way that we want to?

ELIAS: Correct.

LESLIE: But it's tied into our belief systems.

ELIAS: Yes.

LESLIE: Is there such a thing as mass belief systems that are so prevalent that they hook in individual belief systems?

ELIAS: Yes.

LESLIE: How do you get away from those?

ELIAS: It is not a question of "getting away." It is a matter of accepting, recognizing that the beliefs exist. They are an integral aspect of the design of this physical dimension. Therefore, the point is to be recognizing their existence but also recognizing that they are not absolute, therefore offering yourselves choice knowing that although you may choose one movement and you may express a preference in that choice, and you may view another individual creating and choosing quite differently and you may not prefer that type of expression, but simultaneously knowing that there is no judgment of right or wrong or good or bad in absolute in relation to your choice or in relation to any other individual's choice.

LESLIE: Because they're all my creations anyway.

ELIAS: Quite.

LESLIE: So when I judge another individual, I'm just judging myself.

ELIAS: Yes.

LESLIE: Oh, that's really fun!

ELIAS: And you are experiencing all of these actions, therefore...

LESLIE: Why judge them?

ELIAS: Correct. (Pause)

LESLIE: When you said in the group session, "Pay attention to your actions," why is that? Is that what we're creating?

ELIAS: Yes.

LESLIE: Our actions are our creations.

ELIAS: Yes.

LESLIE: So you can have a thought without attaching an action to it; but when the action comes, that's the creation.

ELIAS: Correct.

LESLIE: Oh! So it really doesn't matter what you think at all, because thinking is just like some probability, it can go...

ELIAS: Thinking is a mechanism also. It is a reality. It is a mechanism that you have incorporated in this physical dimension to translate. It translates communications.

LESLIE: But where's the communication coming from, Elias? From ourselves?

ELIAS: Quite. You create many avenues of communication. You communicate to yourself through your outer senses. You communicate to yourself through your inner senses. You communicate through physical body incorporations, manifestations. You communicate through emotion. You communicate through impressions and impulses. You create MANY avenues of communication. Imagination is another avenue of communication.

Thought is not a communication. Thought is a translator. It objectively interprets and translates information that you offer to yourself through communication.

LESLIE: Then what is action?

ELIAS: This is the choosing, and the choosing follows your direction. Many times individuals may express that they are objectively unaware of what their direction may be within a particular moment. I may express to you, if paying attention to what you are choosing, you shall also offer yourself information concerning your direction, for it moves in harmony with your direction.

LESLIE: So your creation, which is your action, is an expression of your direction?

ELIAS: Yes.

LESLIE: So direction's pretty big, it's like...

ELIAS: Yes, and it changes. Your general direction throughout your focus is your intent, but that also incorporates many, many, many more precisely expressed directions within every moment.

LESLIE: Do we decide on our intent before we come here?

ELIAS: Yes.

LESLIE: And it's really just saying that my intention is to have a certain type of experience, is that right?

ELIAS: It is a direction of exploration, yes.

LESLIE: Do we decide that with each other?

ELIAS: At times. But in choosing that with each other prior to your manifestation, what you are choosing is actually a potential; for you choose in the moment, but you do incorporate pools of probabilities which are the potentials within a particular choice of direction.

LESLIE: At any time, though, you could just jump over those pools of probability and...

ELIAS: Yes.

LESLIE: ...change your intention all together?

ELIAS: Yes. Generally speaking, individuals do not, for...

LESLIE: Why would they?

ELIAS: Quite. For you are incorporating many manifestations, therefore you ARE creating many avenues of exploration. Therefore it is expressed by some individuals, but it is uncommonly expressed.

LESLIE: What does it look like when they do it? Is it just like a total change of their reality?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes - a dramatic alteration.

LESLIE: Anybody in history come to your mind who's done it that I would know, so that I could think of an example?

ELIAS: I may express to you, within this forum presently Michael and Lawrence have BOTH created this action. Therefore, you need not incorporate your history!

LESLIE: Yes, it's in the present!

ELIAS: Correct!

LESLIE: That's very cool to be part of that (Elias chuckles), and to watch it and to observe it.

ELIAS: And this phenomenon has ensued in relation to that choice to be moving outside of the pool of probabilities.

LESLIE: So when they decided to change their intention, was that like an invitation for you?

ELIAS: Ah. They have not altered their intents within this focus, but they have moved outside of their pools of probabilities, and in that action have altered a direction of their movement. The intent for each individual remained the same but a significant alteration occurred within movement and direction.

LESLIE: In timeframes, did it occur first and that was like an invitation for you to use ... or not to use them, but to channel?

ELIAS: Yes.

LESLIE: Oh! Were you excited about that? (Elias laughs) Were you like waiting for someone? (Laughing)

ELIAS: In your terms, I was already knowing of this action. Ha ha ha!

LESLIE: Oh, okay. So there was no surprise?

ELIAS: No, for this also was in what you term to be agreed.

LESLIE: Is this part of your intention?

ELIAS: Yes, to be engaging all of you objectively to be offering information in helpfulness of ease in the movement of this shift.

LESLIE: Do you have feelings? I mean, does it feel to you, are you getting the communication that it's being successful? Do you sense it will be an easier shift, that you're having luck getting through to us?

ELIAS: It is already being accomplished, and has been, yes.

LESLIE: Does that make you feel good on an emotional level?

ELIAS: No, I do not incorporate emotion.

LESLIE: It's not part of your design?

ELIAS: No. This is an element of the design of your physical dimension. Outside of your physical dimension it is not necessarily relevant.

LESLIE: What about sexuality, same thing?

ELIAS: Correct.

Now; in other physical dimensions, not all, they may incorporate some similarities of expressions of sexuality or emotion; but within nonphysical areas of consciousness it is not expressed, for this is an objective expression.

LESLIE: Which is tied into manifesting things in the physical.

ELIAS: Correct.

LESLIE: So what are your foundation blocks in your dimension, in your design?

ELIAS: This is not within a physical dimension.

LESLIE: So you don't have design? Do you have design in your dimension, or is that physical?

ELIAS: Not necessarily. It is in actuality, if you are choosing to incorporate the term of "design," the choice of what I may incorporate as my own design. It is not necessarily a collective design.

LESLIE: Oh! Is this one of the few collective places?

ELIAS: No, there are many.

LESLIE: It's hard being in the collective! Is it more difficult?

ELIAS: In actuality not necessarily, for you offer yourselves tremendous diversity in allowing yourselves manners in which you facilitate creating physically.

LESLIE: But in your dimension it's not collective.

ELIAS: Not in the manner that you recognize. All is collective for all is consciousness, and there is no separation, in actuality.

LESLIE: Do you have collective beliefs?

ELIAS: There are no beliefs associated with nonphysical areas of consciousness. Those are also a construct of physical dimensions.

LESLIE: But you create, right? You're still creative?

ELIAS: Quite!

LESLIE: But you just don't need tools like emotion and sexuality, those don't fit into your...

ELIAS: Correct.

LESLIE: What DO you have, though? What do you use, or do you not have to use anything?

ELIAS: It is not a question of use. It is an exploration.

LESLIE: Okay, so you just explore differently.

ELIAS: Correct.

LESLIE: And are we all exploring the same thing...

ELIAS: Yes.

LESLIE: ...just differently?

ELIAS: Yes.

LESLIE: So part of your exploration is reaching us objectively.

ELIAS: Partially, yes, and the manipulation of energy to accomplish this.

LESLIE: Is it difficult? (Pause)

ELIAS: I may express to you that it may be more challenging in some expressions than in others. Manipulation of physical form in excess is more challenging.

As you recognize, I manipulate this physical form limitedly for this is accomplished in what you term to be more of an ease. I incorporate the ability to focus the energy and manipulate this body form much more animatedly, but it also is, in a manner of speaking, requiring much more of a focused expression of energy and this is unnecessary, for the action that I am incorporating is focusing upon the interaction between this aspect of myself and each of you. Therefore, the physical body element of this exchange is insignificant.

LESLIE: But you just have to do it because of our belief systems, that's how we kind of see exchanging information and things?

ELIAS: It is an offering of energy exchange in a familiar design.

LESLIE: That is so kind of you, because you could be using your energy to do other things!

ELIAS: And so I am! (Both laugh) I am not limited to merely this action. I may express to you also, although I have become more accustomed to the manipulation of the energy of language, this may be challenging at times also, for there are some expressions that you do not incorporate terminology for.

LESLIE: We were just talking about that. You know, it seems like language contains too much, the energy. If there was just some way that we could receive the energy without the language. Is that the way our physical is set up, that we need that language to...

ELIAS: It is yet again ONE avenue of communication.

LESLIE: It's the one we tend to focus on.

ELIAS: Correct, but you also do focus your attention upon the exchange of energy. You are aware of energy expressions between you, regardless of what the language communication may be. For the most part your language communication follows your energy expression and is in harmony with that, but at times you do alter your language in conjunction with your thinking that you may be secretive (Leslie laughs) or hiding of an expression from another individual - which is quite comical for the other individual is aware, regardless of how you attempt to divert their awareness.

LESLIE: So by attempting to divert someone's awareness, it's just a waste of energy.

ELIAS: Quite, in a manner of speaking; for in actuality there is no waste of energy.

LESLIE: True. Thank you, Elias. (Elias chuckles)

ELIAS: You are quite welcome.

LESLIE: I'll see you again soon, I hope.

ELIAS: And I express my invitation.

LESLIE: Thank you.

ELIAS: To you in encouragement and tremendous affection, as always, au revoir.

LESLIE: Au revoir.

Elias departs at 4:00 PM.

(1) Originally stated as "It interprets and translates objectively information that you offer to yourself through communication."

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