Thursday, October 18, 2001 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Sherry (Seale)
Elias arrives at 1:57 PM. (Arrival time is 23 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning!

SHERRY: Good morning! I sure am glad to talk to you again!

ELIAS: And how shall we proceed this day?

SHERRY: Well, can you explain to me why I feel so spacey? I'm trying to figure out if I'm just expanding my whole thoughts, or if it's your energy and my energy, we combined it somehow. Something happened in our last session that I'm kind of trying to find myself again, because ... or something else is happening majorly again, and that's what I'm picking up. I cannot discern which or any of these things it is.

ELIAS: I may express to you, you are partially correct in associating this action with our interaction in our last meeting, for within this time framework you have been allowing yourself to assimilate our conversation and you have also been engaging movement of your attention.

As we spoke in our last meeting of recognizing where your attention is directed and noticing what you are paying attention to, what you have been engaging is a movement to merely move your attention rather than focus it in any particular singular direction, and this creates this feeling that you are experiencing, a type of scatteredness.

SHERRY: You've got that right! I get up in the morning and, man, I haven't figured out in some sense even what to do! It's like how do I even make a decision?

ELIAS: I am understanding, for you are experimenting with attention itself and allowing movement within your attention, and therefore not focusing your attention so singularly in any particular direction; which, in actuality, my friend, may be quite beneficial in your assimilation of what we have been discussing previously, for your attention has been directed quite strongly in singularities in specific directions, which creates difficulty in your allowance of yourself to be assimilating what we have discussed and recognizing what you are actually creating and expressing.

Therefore in relaxing your attention, it may appear initially to you to be quite strange and unfamiliar, but it is beneficial to you in allowing you to relax your energy and not hold so tightly to certain perceptions. This shall allow you more of an ease in altering your perception.

SHERRY: I had this fear of the two teams playing, because there's something about east and west that I saw or I felt, like a similarity like the towers, and I'm just trying to get more clarity about that. Because to me it seemed like if these two power teams played, it was like we were creating the same thing as with the towers.

ELIAS: I am understanding your association. Let me offer to you in explanation, what you are presenting to yourself IS in actuality a recognition of struggle between two philosophies which are associated with what you identify as East and West, and you are correct that this is quite associated with the mass event which continues in its movement in this present now and the power struggle, so to speak, between these two philosophies, the philosophy of the West and the philosophy of the East.

SHERRY: Oh no. So does that mean we're going to create some more trauma? Is that what I'm picking up?

ELIAS: I may express to you, my friend, this is the choice of all of you, but you are continuing to be creating expressions of trauma in association with this movement, with this mass event, and with these beliefs that you are tremendously challenging yourselves with.

SHERRY: So how do I do this, in not lending energy? I don't want to lend energy to the trauma, but if I pick up these feelings ... I haven't discerned yet if it's me or what. Because I don't care, it's just a game to me. It's not a big deal. I don't have that feeling about that, so that says to me that I'm picking up other stuff going on, and I don't want to lend energy to it, so how do I ... am I doing okay about that, or am I still lending energy just because I'm recognizing that I'm picking up other stuff?

ELIAS: Let me express to you first of all, the act of connecting or tapping into energy which is being expressed in itself is not necessarily an expression of offering energy to particular expressions that you wish not to participate in.

Now; what you create in association with that is the determination of whether you may be offering energy to the expression or not.

Now; in this, incorporating your example, you have allowed yourself, through the presentment of objective imagery in relation to a game, information concerning movements of energy that are being expressed en masse. These movements of energy en masse are associated with different philosophies and beliefs being expressed in strength and the continuation of judgment in association with these beliefs.

Now; in the mere recognition of tapping into the expressions of these mass energies, this is not necessarily an expression to you that you are lending energy, in your terms, to the perpetuation of that movement. You are, in this aspect of your recognition, merely identifying the recognition of the energy expression itself.

Now; subsequent to that recognition, how you choose to engage that identification of energy is the defining factor of what direction you shall choose to express your energy. Therefore, if you are hypothetically receiving the identification of what you have presented to yourself concerning the imagery and symbology of the struggle between East and West, or the fight and the trauma, and you engage participation in this game and express judgment in relation to other individuals, I may express to you, in that hypothetical scenario you shall be lending energy to the perpetuation of what you do not want to perpetuate.

But hypothetically, if you allow yourself to engage participation in association with this game and you are playful and you continue to hold your attention upon self, and you merely engage participation with other individuals and do not express judgment in relation to your own expression or in relation to the other individual's expressions, I may say to you that you are lending energy to the type of movement that you wish to be lending energy to in not creating trauma or struggle or conflict.

Do you understand the difference, and how you in your individual expression create the participation?

SHERRY: I think so, but for example, when I just bet on the Cubs and the other team to do it, not wishing that the other teams wouldn't win so that wouldn't be an object reality of east and west, but I didn't care whether I won or lost, that was not lending energy?

ELIAS: Yes, and if you do not express judgment concerning the choices and expressions of other individuals, you also shall not be lending energy to the conflict. If another individual expresses opposition to you, and your response is genuinely "it matters not," this is an expression of not lending energy to the perpetuation of conflict.

SHERRY: So if they did that, and I said, "It's just a game," and it's just a fun thing to do, not for any other reason, would that be ... because I was expressing what I was doing and why, when they got upset that I was betting on the other team.

ELIAS: Correct.

Now; if you respond in like kind, in like manner, and you express judgment or conflict or in your terms upset in response to their expression, you are lending energy to the conflict. Is this clear?

SHERRY: Yes, because that's what happened this morning when those guys didn't show up, and then I understood, why am I waiting on them? After I got through not feeling like I was a victim or they had control over me, and I went over and just started sewing myself, that energy left.

ELIAS: Correct.

SHERRY: I wasn't creating it anymore.

ELIAS: Correct.

SHERRY: Oh good, I'm getting this. (Elias laughs)

ELIAS: This is the action...

SHERRY: What I'm hearing you say then is there isn't ... so I'm still doing that, because I was still pretty pissed off at them for not even calling me.

ELIAS: But pay attention, my friend. Do not discount yourself, for although you may have incorporated temporary irritation, you also allowed yourself to turn your attention to you and to express your individual choices, and to create your own movement not being dictated to by other individuals.

SHERRY: And they're freaking about that.

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! And it matters not!

SHERRY: (Laughs) I see how I do that, and I felt that restriction. I've been trying to give them time to get onboard and understand, but it was like no way. I'm not helping them by waiting on them, so forget that idea. I'm just going to do what I need to do. I become impatient with myself for holding the reins back on myself to accommodate their comfort zone.

ELIAS: And therefore you allow yourself choice.

SHERRY: That's pretty cool, because I didn't have to stay angry very long, and I like that part. I don't want to be choosing to be angry, because I recognize that that's ... I don't want to be creating trauma, that's why. But see again, I was feeling like I was creating trauma by me just being me because they say I'm going too fast and I'm creating all these changes in other people. But again, that's not my responsibility and I'm not really doing that. I'm just creating my own reality.

ELIAS: Correct. You are not creating for other individuals.

SHERRY: So this is cool!

What about the yellow I've been seeing, like that yellow ball? It looks like an energy thing to me, like a burst, a starburst or something. What's that?

ELIAS: And express to me your impression.

SHERRY: Oh no! I thought maybe that might be Twylah, because I've been asking, but that's the only thing I've noticed that's different.

ELIAS: I may express to you, you are offering yourself this imagery to pay attention to your yellow energy center which directs emotion.

SHERRY: That was my other choice. That's what I asked, too, a while back, and I thought, "Well, no." But what has that got to do with anything?

ELIAS: Oh! This in actuality QUITE, in your terms, has to do with your movement, for this is a very strongly expressed avenue of communication.

SHERRY: Which I don't get.

ELIAS: Which you have chosen to present to yourself that you may understand this action objectively more fully, and therefore allow yourself to incorporate this communication efficiently and, in a manner of speaking, as a tool in relation to how you create your reality.

SHERRY: Because I have the desire to ... I know the last time we talked about it not being a reaction, but I don't understand it fully, as you say, and I know that. I couldn't even tell you what I don't understand about it at this point, I just know I don't. I'm paying attention to the feelings and I know that I get these different feelings, but I don't understand how to read the feelings, I mean, what the translation is. That's what I have the trouble with, I think.

ELIAS: Correct, and this is the reason that you are drawing your attention to this yellow energy center. For in this, as you present an emotional communication to yourself, you are offering yourself, in a manner of speaking, a different method in how you may be allowing yourself to interpret the message rather than incorporating concentration in thought.

You may, in actuality, my friend, as you recognize a signal of an emotion, which is the feeling of the emotion, merely identify in one term what the signal is, and thusly turn your attention to your yellow energy center and allow yourself not to be analyzing and not to be concentrating in thought but allow yourself to merely, in your terms, feel into your yellow energy center and allow your thoughts to naturally translate what you are feeling into.

SHERRY: I'd better ask my simple questions before I forget, before we run out of time or get involved in something that's really impactful.

Arlene wanted to know her essence family, that stuff, because she feels really scattered and things are changing. She's not understanding. I said that I would ask you, so then I could give her the information so she could read about it to see if that makes sense to her after she gets the definitions.

ELIAS: Very well. Essence family, Zuli; alignment, Vold.

SHERRY: Cool. (Pause) Is she emotionally focused?

ELIAS: Yes.

SHERRY: And what's her name?

ELIAS: Essence name, Kaibok, K-A-I-B-O-K (KAY bock).

SHERRY: "V" as in Victor?

ELIAS: "B" as in book.

SHERRY: "B" as in boy?

ELIAS: Yes.

SHERRY: Does she have an intent? Should I give that to her, or do you want to do that?

ELIAS: You may offer an invitation to the individual to engage conversation with myself, and prior to that engagement, if she is so choosing, you may express my suggestion that she allow herself to be viewing the entirety of her focus and allowing herself to identify the theme of the direction of the entirety of her focus, and this shall offer her information concerning her intent.

SHERRY: Then my daughter asked about that, too, and she asked to ... well, she doesn't believe in entities like you, but last night anyway she asked to meet with you because I said you always answer. So the yellow light in her car, does that have anything to do with you? (Pause)

ELIAS: As an introduction, yes.

SHERRY: Well, good, so I was right about that. (Elias chuckles) I told her tomorrow if it doesn't go on she knows it was you! I don't know why that came to me, I just asked her, "Well, was it yellow?" This is cool.

So then what happened to her, you know, when she was in the psychiatric hospital and she climbed out over the fence or whatever? She doesn't know how to put that together, and people have been labeling her as crazy and stuff like that. Is there anything that you can say to me that I can give to her until we figure out or create something different?

ELIAS: And what is your request of offering of information to her?

SHERRY: You mean, of you? I don't know. If you can explain or say ... because you know what she's going through and I don't understand everything that she's going through from her perception, so I'm asking if you can say it in words that will help her.

ELIAS: In this present time framework any expression that I may offer to you that you may express to her is not necessarily expressing what you term to be helpful.

If she is choosing to be engaging conversation with myself and accepting my invitation to be interacting with myself, she may allow herself information that in your terms may be helpful; but in this present time framework she is not choosing that direction.

SHERRY: Oh great. Well, I figured that.

That leads me to my question. I want to get clear what I'm doing. She called last night and, well, it wasn't very nice. So what I'm trying to get clear on is should I still be going to Belize, because I still feel that, even though they had the hurricane, and I can't even tell you why but it's like am I supposed to be ... or is that my language to myself, that I'm wanting to go there more than I want to go ... see, that's what I'm trying to figure out. Would it be more beneficial to me go to Philadelphia, meet with her and Mikayla, and have that session with you and bring my daughter along and even Mikayla, or is it better for me to go to Belize and then go to see you in California and not see my granddaughter or my daughter?

ELIAS: I may express to you, my friend, this is not a situation of better or worse. What is your choice? What is your communication to yourself? What do you want?

Now; this is an excellent example to be practicing interpreting your communication to yourself through emotion. In this present now with myself, as I present to you "do you want to engage the choice of meeting with your daughter and engaging objective interaction with myself in that location," what is your immediate emotional response?

SHERRY: No.

ELIAS: Your signal is no. What is the feeling?

SHERRY: I think of dread.

ELIAS: Very well.

Now; if I express to you, do you want to engage your trip to Belize, what is your signal?

SHERRY: Joy! (Laughs) It sounds terrible!

ELIAS: And why do you express to myself that this is terrible?

SHERRY: What?

ELIAS: Why do you identify this to be terrible?

SHERRY: Because ... I should. I want to see you, but I'm thinking I don't want to see you and have to deal with my daughter right now, because I don't like what she's choosing and I don't want to be interacting in that.

ELIAS: Now; pay attention to all of the emotional communications that you have offered to yourself within a time framework of very few minutes. In this, you have offered to yourself an immediate signal of restriction which may be identified in the term of a mild anxiety. You also have offered to yourself a signal of joy. You have also offered to yourself a signal of guilt, of dread, and in each of these signals you are expressing to yourself a message which is CLEARLY defined. It clearly defines what you are actually doing and expressing in the moment, and this is significant in identifying what you want and your direction. This is what we had been speaking of in our previous conversation. Now you offer yourself an opportunity to pay attention and to receive the message.

You express the signal of dread. The message that you are offering to yourself is a recognition that you are not choosing to engage interaction with myself for the reason that you choose to or that you want to in this time framework, but you are expressing to yourself that you are assuming personal responsibility for other individuals. Your choice to engage participation in the group session which is occurring in this time framework is not to be engaging it in relation to your want, but in relation to an expression of personal responsibility that perhaps if you may convince your daughter to participate that this may be helpful to her. This is not your responsibility, and therefore your feeling, your signal, is uncomfortable.

Subsequently, you view another choice of creating what you want, and you experience no conflict and you express a signal of joy, which is a validation that you are allowing yourself to express and accomplish what you want. But you also express guilt in relation to what you want and that you are not expressing conflict with what you want and that you should be, for you should be as a parent expressing responsibility for your daughter and granddaughter and that you should be helpful. And your association with being helpful is what? Not to be paying attention to self, not to be creating what you want, not to be holding your attention upon your choices and expressing yourself as the straight little sapling, but to be focusing your attention upon another individual and attempting to direct their focus.

SHERRY: I had decided I was going to look for a Belize ticket this morning. I already figured out that was probably why I created what happened last night, because I really don't want to go.

ELIAS: And in this, you may pay attention to the communication you have offered to yourself, and you may offer yourself permission to create what you want.

SHERRY: That seems to be a hard thing for me to do, huh? (Elias laughs) It should be easier, after the things I've created about court and stuff. I don't know why I'm still struggling with that!

ELIAS: Ah, but I may express to you my friend, you are not generating as much struggle as you have previously.

SHERRY: Thank goodness!

ELIAS: Therefore acknowledge yourself. You may be continuing to generate some struggle, but you are also altering your movement and allowing yourself to create what you want and offering yourself permission to be generating these types of expressions.

SHERRY: That's good.

I know we don't have a lot of time, but I want to try to do - and I warned Mary - I want to try to do the sexuality thing, so I can get an understanding of this.

ELIAS: What is your concern in relation to sexuality?

SHERRY: My concern? My concern is still about what I'm creating, and what that has to do with ... it seems like it's a big thing. I want to go back, because I think I've forgotten or blocked out that part about ... because I listened to the tapes again. When you were talking about the incident, the one incident that happened in my childhood sexually, we're talking about the sexual interaction between my brother and me and my mom...

ELIAS: Yes, continue.

SHERRY: So that wasn't a probability? That was an actual thing that happened?

ELIAS: Correct, continue.

SHERRY: So what is going on with me about ... it's like I don't want to involve myself with little encounters, one after another. Well, I guess there's nothing wrong with me.

ELIAS: You are correct, and I may express to you, if you do not wish to be focusing your attention in this direction, move it. You are continuing to present to yourself your association with psychological beliefs and their affectingness in your expressions now.

SHERRY: So how do I ... I mean, I'm not understanding how to move it. I need an example here of what I'm ... like yesterday, because I was thinking about what you said about what I want, and it just past my thoughts or there was the desire there and a little center about having a relationship on all levels; that's what I want, and smoke-free. And then who pops up when I'm going home but Tom again. I waved to him and there was a part of me that wanted to stop, but then I overruled that part and said, "Nope, keep going." So was that the emotional part that said to stop and the logical thinking part of me said to keep going? Or why did he show up in the first place? (Pause)

ELIAS: This, my friend, is also associated with what you have been creating recently in experiencing this scatteredness, in allowing yourself to move your attention and to not direct it so singularly and allowing yourself to relax and not hold to your attention in these directions that you have concentrated so strongly with.

In this, you may notice the ease and the automaticness of how you move into the directedness of your attention in association with these subject matters. There is little scatteredness in creating these experiences. You focus your attention as a beacon in these situations, and as I have expressed to you previously, you continue to associate with mass beliefs in relation to psychological expressions that create an absolute association within yourself that experiences that you have created pastly, be they in probability or in this reality, are affecting of how you move in the direction of relationships now. And I continue to express to you, my friend, this is incorrect. This is not affecting. What is affecting is what you are creating now, and what you are creating now is a presentment to yourself of many different expressions of objective imagery in association with other individuals in the subject matter of relationships, that you may offer information to yourself concerning you creating your reality.

It is not as black and white as "I wish to be creating this specific type of a relationship and with an individual that does not incorporate the action of smoking." For if you create an individual that does not fulfill your criteria, you have created this individual and you have presented it to yourself as a reflection of expressions within yourself that you are choosing to be addressing to and drawing to your attention.

SHERRY: So how do I ... I don't get...

ELIAS: By paying attention to what you are actually creating, and this is what we have spoken of in our previous conversation in our last session, paying attention to what you are actually doing and choosing in the moment, not analyzing but paying attention to what you are actually choosing and doing - NOT WHAT YOU THINK YOU WANT, but what you are actually choosing.

SHERRY: So the thing with Tom was I chose not to interact with him.

ELIAS: Very well.

Now; the question to present to yourself is not "why has this individual appeared," or "am I correct in choosing not to interact with this individual," "am I not viewing my communication to myself in not interacting with this individual," but merely recognizing what you are actually doing and choosing in the moment without judgment, without expressing the right or wrong concerning your choice, but merely paying attention to it. For as you allow yourself to continue to pay attention to what you are actually doing and choosing, regardless of what you THINK, you shall begin to understand your direction, how you are moving yourself, and you shall also much more clearly allow yourself to identify what you genuinely want and how to be creating it.

SHERRY: So what happened yesterday, I chose that I really didn't want that interaction. I was showing to myself that...

ELIAS: Yes.

SHERRY: ...I really didn't want that.

ELIAS: In that moment, no. You are correct.

SHERRY: There's something else I want to get clear about. If I chose ... but I chose that because I don't want to be around the smoking. On the other hand, you said I could create not smoking with that person, right?

ELIAS: It is possible. But once again, in like manner to the other individual that we spoke of in our last meeting, this is not the point. The point is to recognize what you want and to not limit your choices in association with merely one individual or another individual.

I may express to you my friend, in actuality there are many identifications of what you want that you are already objectively aware of, but you are attempting to create those wants in relation to particular individuals in a manner of attempting to alter them, not alter you, and this is the reason that it is not materializing.

SHERRY: So if I'm understanding, if I wanted to have what I wanted, then I would be picking other people, or manifesting other people, who already didn't smoke. Is that what you're saying?

ELIAS: Perhaps, or if you choose to be engaging a relationship with an individual that is expressing some choice or action that you do not want, it is not a matter of attempting to alter their expression but alter your perception and therefore alter your reality.

SHERRY: Meaning accept their smoking.

ELIAS: Not necessarily, my friend; but alter your perception.

SHERRY: Oh, as it matters not. Is that what you mean?

ELIAS: Partially, but also partially no, for I am understanding that you are not quite understanding what I am expressing to you. For...

SHERRY: I know! (Laughing) That's what I feel like, too! It's like, man, I'm tired of this so I want to get this!

ELIAS: Your attention continues to focus upon the other individual and their choices, and this is the point that I am expressing to you. Your attention continues to focus upon the choice of the other individual and attempting to alter that, and this shall not be accomplished.

You may in actuality - and I may express to you in this present now, I am aware and knowing that my statement to you now shall be confusing - but you may actually create this individual and create a relationship with this individual and not incorporate the action of smoking, but this shall be created through your perception, not through the action of the other individual. The manner in which it is created through your perception is to pay attention to you and to alter your perception, and in a manner of speaking, yes, this entails moving your attention and your perception into the expression of "it matters not" in relation to the choices of the other individual. The other individual may continue to engage smoking and it matters not, for you simultaneously may create the other individual not smoking. They may be occurring simultaneously. It is a matter of perception, my friend, not the choices of the other individual, but you shall not create this and accomplish this...

SHERRY: Looking at them.

ELIAS: Yes!

SHERRY: I think I get it! (Laughs) I know it might sound dense, but I think I got it. (Elias laughs) So thank you for your patience!

ELIAS: I may offer my congratulations to you! (Laughing)

SHERRY: Now if I can just hold it!

Well, we'd better go because it's time. Thank you very much. I haven't recognized our playing, so I don't know what that means other than the energy part. But I'll keep open.

ELIAS: (Chuckles) And another opportunity for you to pay attention. Ha ha ha ha!

SHERRY: Yeah, it's very funny. (Laughs) Thank you very much.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome my friend. As always I continue to be encouraging of you, and I express my affection to you. To you this day, au revoir.

SHERRY: Au revoir.

Elias departs at 3:00 PM.

©2003 Mary Ennis, All Rights Reserved

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Copyright 2001 Mary Ennis, All Rights Reserved.