Tuesday, October 16, 2001 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Gina (Bahlah)
Elias arrives at 1:36 PM. (Arrival time is 18 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good day!

GINA: Hi ya! How are you?

ELIAS: As always, and yourself?

GINA: I'm doing fine! I have a lot of fun questions to ask you.

ELIAS: Very well. (Chuckles)

GINA: I went to this lady, Helen, with a friend of mine, and I just want to validate some of the information that she told me.

ELIAS: Very well.

GINA: She says that I have Atlantis focuses. I just want to know how many. (Pause)

ELIAS: Four.

GINA: What about Greece?

ELIAS: Yes, you do incorporate focuses in this location.

GINA: How many focuses?

ELIAS: Two.

GINA: The next one is China.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

GINA: How many?

ELIAS: In that general region, eight.

GINA: What about Egypt?

ELIAS: Yes.

GINA: How many?

ELIAS: Three.

GINA: Now, what about Virginia City, Nevada, here?

ELIAS: One.

GINA: Just one?

ELIAS: Yes.

GINA: Was I a prostitute there?

ELIAS: Partial time period, yes.

GINA: What about Pyramid Lake, the Piute Indian Reservation? How many times was I a Piute?

ELIAS: One.

GINA: Now I want to get focuses shared with my kids. How many focuses have I done with Vince, with Vynlar?

ELIAS: And your impression?

GINA: My impression? I'm assuming it's going to be a lot. Eight?

ELIAS: Ten.

GINA: Joey, I'm going to go a little bit lower, like three.

ELIAS: Correct.

GINA: Correct? Right on. Francesca, I'm going to go more with her. I'm going to say maybe 15.

ELIAS: Twelve.

GINA: And Carina, I'm going to go more with her, probably like around 20.

ELIAS: Ah, in your terms quite close! Nineteen.

GINA: Right on! What about with Candace, my mom?

ELIAS: Offer...

GINA: I assume it's going to be a lot. I'll go ahead and say 12.

ELIAS: Correct.

GINA: Really! Right on. What about Mikah? I'm going to say probably a lot with him too, maybe like around 20.

ELIAS: Sixteen.

GINA: And Belel, my dad, I'm going to say there's a lot with him also. I'm probably going to go higher with him, like 25.

ELIAS: Correct.

GINA: Really? What about my boss? How many have I shared with him?

ELIAS: Four.

GINA: And what about Annell?

ELIAS: Five.

GINA: What is the most focuses I've shared with a person?

ELIAS: Ah, shall you investigate this?

GINA: You want me to investigate? Can I go ahead and try to guess?

ELIAS: You may if you are so choosing, but this is not an investigation! Ha ha!

GINA: (Laughing) I'm going to guess, and say it's going to be kind of high; I'm going to go with maybe 100. Am I close?

ELIAS: Relatively speaking.

GINA: So, close to that, okay. I'll just go ahead with that, then. How many times have I been a man?

ELIAS: Relatively speaking, proportioned almost what you term to be half and half.

GINA: Right on. Next question is, do I know of any other people who are fragmented from the same essence as myself, which is Lesbae?

ELIAS: In this present time framework, no.

GINA: All right, we'll go on to the next one which is my energy centers. I would like to know which ones are out of alignment.

ELIAS: First of all, offer to myself your impression.

GINA: My impression is my heart chakra, and I'm assuming if it is my heart chakra then my solar plexus and my naval chakra are also out of alignment because they work together, correct?

ELIAS: At times, yes, you are correct. Now offer to myself your impression concerning this action of alignment and what you are creating or communicating to yourself.

GINA: I think that I believe that I ... well, I know it's my green, which is the heart chakra. I'm positive it's that one. I feel at times that it's opening, but I know I have a lot of issues as far as relationships go, so am I correct on that?

ELIAS: Yes.

GINA: I also have a lot of bad relationships in all my lives. (Laughs) Have there been any times when I had good relationships? I don't think I've experienced any kind of good relationships in this lifetime.

ELIAS: Let me express to you, my friend, the issue that you present yourself with in this focus is not necessarily a reflection of other focuses or in correlation to other focuses. In actuality, if you are allowing yourself to be investigating and viewing other focuses, you may view that you have incorporated what you term to be successful relationships in other focuses. What you are creating in this focus is a manifestation of the beliefs and issues that you are incorporating in this particular focus, not necessarily other focuses.

GINA: So what beliefs would that be? Tell me what ... that would be my next question.

ELIAS: Very well.

GINA: What fears am I still holding on to? What am I still holding on to that I'm preventing myself to open up my chakras?

ELIAS: I may express to you, you do incorporate many similar beliefs to many other individuals in mass beliefs in association with certain aspects of sexuality.

Now; one of these aspects of sexuality concerns gender and the association that you hold with this subject matter of gender, how you perceive genders. For in this, you quite align with a belief that the two genders of male and female are quite different and in that difference you associate certain qualities with male and certain qualities with female. This creates an obstacle, for you are attributing qualities to a gender which are not necessarily expressed in association with the gender itself.

Gender is an expression of physical body consciousness in form and function. It is not a designation of specific types of behaviors or intuitive or intellectual qualities. It is not also associated with expressions concerning emotion, for emotion is a communication and all individuals incorporate this, but there are very strongly held mass beliefs which do express associations of specific qualities that are attributed to the male or female gender. This becomes confusing to many individuals with respect to relationships.

Now; within the movement of the societies in which you participate in what you view as your previous century, in time factor including now, there have been specific movements and associations in alignment with the mass beliefs concerning qualities and behaviors of specific genders which reinforce these beliefs. The reason this has been expressed in greater strength in this previous century and incorporated in this century is actually associated with this shift in consciousness, but in a misinterpretation.

GINA: So I think I'm not really ... you said it was associated with the quality of the gender of the male and female. Is it a jealousy thing?

ELIAS: Not...

GINA: Is it jealousy? I don't understand.

ELIAS: Not necessarily jealous, but attributing specific expressions, behaviors, qualities, to that of male and female.

GINA: You mean how they express themselves?

ELIAS: Yes.

GINA: Oh, I see. Gotcha. I understand now.

ELIAS: And in these associations, there are strongly expressed expectations and judgments. This is one aspect of what you are addressing to in your challenge in exploring relationships. Another is also a strongly expressed mass belief in how you should behave.

GINA: Exactly. That is a definite issue with me, and I noticed that I'm trying to get over the hurdle of not listening to what other people say, you know what I'm saying? I'm more than happy to express myself, but I seem to like enclose myself when someone will say something, because their expressing of what is right and what is wrong.

ELIAS: Yes.

GINA: I don't say anything when other people do things, but if I was to go ahead and express myself, it's like someone will always say something, and that's what I'm trying to get over right now.

ELIAS: But this in itself is an aspect of the challenge that you present to yourself, for what is actually occurring is that you are not listening to what you are presenting to yourself. For, what other individuals express to you is in actuality a reflection of what you are attempting to express to yourself and allow yourself to view and become familiar within your beliefs and how they are affecting of your choices.

In this, what you have expressed in this now is another aspect of this, which is quite obvious, a continuation of comparison. This creates a very large obstacle. This also is associated with the expressions that you align with concerning the two genders, for there are comparisons that are expressed in association with gender also, comparing what you express to what other individuals express and associating a judgment in both directions. You create a judgment upon yourself in discounting yourself that if you incorporate the same action as another individual a negative response shall occur; but you project a judgment to other individuals also, for your automatic response concerns fairness, that it is an expression of fair if you are allowed to express yourself in like manner to other individuals.

GINA: I understand.

ELIAS: But let me express to you, my friend, the fairness is not the point. This is another aspect of beliefs. The point is to be paying attention to self and what creates triggers within you. For as you allow yourself to view what triggers automatic responses within yourself, you may also become more familiar with the beliefs that are influencing these automatic responses and thusly allow yourself more choice.

GINA: Gotcha. I understand that now.

I remember reading a transcript with you and Candace, and she was asking you about my little invisible friend. Was that you? I had an invisible friend when I was two or three years old. If it wasn't you, who was it?

ELIAS: Yes.

GINA: It was you?

ELIAS: Yes.

GINA: Right on! That was my first impression. (Laughs)

My next thing is, I went and talked to this lady Helen, like I told you. She seems to think that I had some sort of traumatic experience when I was a child and it is blocking me from grounding myself. Do you want to expand on that a little bit?

ELIAS: I may express to you that in actuality this is a commonly expressed psychological belief in association with the affectingness of experiences within childhood upon the experiences in more advanced years.

Let me express to you, I may in one manner express a validation that individuals and yourself also do create associations with experiences, viewing them as absolutes, and therefore quite frequently project anticipations of similar experiences into the future. But I may also express to you that this type of association in expressing to yourself or to another individual that you have experienced some action of trauma in the past which is now creating a block merely reinforces the expression of victim.

GINA: Elias, can you hold on a minute? (Brief pause) I wanted to turn the radio down.

ELIAS: In this my friend, let me express to you, obstacles that you are creating now are not an expression of cause and effect of experiences that you may have incorporated as a child. Experiences that you are creating now are in association with the movement that you are incorporating now.

Now; I also shall express to you that you may be attempting to associate with past experiences which reinforce creating the role of a victim of yourself now, and in this, I shall offer the suggestion to you that you allow yourself to pay attention and notice this action, for in continuing to express this role of victim you limit your choices tremendously.

GINA: I really don't think any thing did happen. I'm just trying to validate what this woman told me.

ELIAS: I am understanding, and this is the reason that I am expressing to you this is incorrect.

GINA: Understood. Can you validate, though, my energy centers? I said my...

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

GINA: So just my heart chakra or anything else? What else is blocked there that's not flowing freely?

ELIAS: The green and the yellow.

GINA: The solar plexus, correct?

ELIAS: Yes.

GINA: All right. Let's go back to the focuses that I asked you about as far as Atlantis, stuff like that. Was any of the Egyptian ... she also told me that I was buried with King Cheops. I remember asking you about that, and you said that I did have a focus in that time period. She said that I was a concubine of Cheops. Is that true, and she said that I was buried with him.

ELIAS: Not buried with, no.

GINA: But I was a concubine?

ELIAS: For a time framework, yes.

GINA: Let me see ... China, the China focuses. Do I have any well-known focuses in that one? You said I had eight.

ELIAS: And you may investigate. (Chuckles)

GINA: I knew you'd say that! (Elias laughs) I knew it! I can go ahead and say something now. Did I have anything to do with any of the dynasties?

ELIAS: One.

GINA: And which was that?

ELIAS: AH! (Laughs)

GINA: Oh, come on! (Laughs) One of the dynasties, I'll figure it out for myself. What about the Egyptian focus? I believe that I had one famous one there. I'm not really sure. Are you willing to offer information or do you want me to go ahead and just throw some names at you?

ELIAS: In actuality, you do not incorporate what you term to be a famous focus in these particular focuses.

GINA: One was a dancer, one was an apprentice, and what was the third one? The one where I was a concubine?

ELIAS: Yes. In these focuses you at times may be associated with an individual that incorporates notoriety, but you yourself do not.

GINA: Next question. In the Atlantis focus, she said that I was a mathematician, geometry person, something like that. I was just wondering if you can validate that one? She said that when Atlantis went down I tried saving the people and didn't get to do it, or something like that. I wonder if you could give me a name on that particular person, because I haven't come up with anything.

ELIAS: I may express to you, what you have been offered is an interpretation. It is a translation. Be remembering, this particular focus that you are identifying is not incorporated in this physical dimension that you occupy your attention within now. This is not associated with the same physical dimension; therefore, what you are offering to yourself is information which is translated into what you know within the design of this physical dimension. It does not translate entirely accurately. For the role or the focus of a mathematician is a translation into a role that you understand in this dimension.

GINA: Gotcha. My essence name is still the same, correct? B-A-H-L-A-H?

ELIAS: Yes. (Pause)

GINA: Hello?

ELIAS: Yes?

GINA: Is my essence name still the same?

ELIAS: Yes.

GINA: All right. Let me see what else. How many focuses does my son Vincent, Vynlah, have?

ELIAS: And your impression?

GINA: I would have to say he's an old soul, so let's go with 200.

ELIAS: Nine hundred twenty.

GINA: NINE HUNDRED AND TWENTY?

ELIAS: Yes.

GINA: Wow! What about Mistin?

ELIAS: Offer to myself.

GINA: I'll say right around the same amount I have. That would be 50.

ELIAS: Four hundred six.

GINA: Wow. Then Celssa; I'm going to say she's had quite a few also. I'm going to go with 600 for her.

ELIAS: Eight hundred seventeen.

GINA: Shew! Nicarre, I'm going to have to go really high with her, probably the same amount as Vince and Joey, 800, 900.

ELIAS: One thousand eighty-two.

GINA: Shew! Wow. I've got some old souls in this world. Interesting. Is there any prominent ones you can give me for each one of them, famous ones? My first impressions are that they've had very prominent positions in life at one point in time. Can you give me one for Vynlar?

ELIAS: Investigate Japan and allow yourself your impression concerning an Emperor.

GINA: An emperor! Was he an emperor of China?

ELIAS: Japan.

GINA: Japan! Right on! Does Japan have dynasties or is it only China that has dynasties?

ELIAS: This is your association with this terminology. They are quite similar.

GINA: Okay, Mistin: any prominent ones for Mistin that stand out? (Pause)

ELIAS: Not necessarily.

GINA: What about Francesca, I believe she's had one. I mean Celssa - a princess, a queen, something.

ELIAS: Investigate what you recognize in present location and country of Russia, 500 years previous to this now.

GINA: You can't give me any sort of clue of what sort of status she had?

ELIAS: Within the royal house.

GINA: Right on. What about Nicarre? She had to have been a few different important people. But just give me one for now. (Pause)

ELIAS: You may investigate 18th century Finnish painter.

GINA: A Finnish painter.

ELIAS: Correct.

GINA: I'll look it up. What else? Oh, she also said that I have spirit guides. She said that my yaya, her name was Georgia, I don't know ... I would like to get her essence name if possible and find out, validate, if her essence is the spirit guide that she saw.

ELIAS: Let me express to you, my friend, this is yet again another interpretation of beliefs, for in actuality there are no guides. There are essences that are, in a manner of speaking, connected with you, but even within this you are in actuality not separated by any aspect of consciousness or essences. Therefore, what is being recognized by the individual that is identifying these terms to you are more strongly expressed energies of certain essences in a particular moment.

But as I have stated, there is no separation. Therefore, all essences are, in a manner of speaking, intertwined with all other essences, and this is the association that you create within your physical dimension in association with your thought processes. You identify a particular recognized energy within a moment as a guide, for the individual recognizes another energy presence, so to speak.

GINA: I understand. You don't have to go any further with that. Can I get her essence name now? Her name is Georgia.

ELIAS: Essence name, Teale, T-E-A-L-E (tee ALL ay).

GINA: Okay, and now my other yaya. Her name is Betty. She's in transition ... I don't know, is she in transition still? And also her essence name.

ELIAS: Yes.

GINA: She is in transition still. And an essence name? (Pause)

ELIAS: Essence name, Mario, M...

GINA: Mario? M-A-R-I-E-O?

ELIAS: I-O.

GINA: How interesting! What about George, my grandfather, what is his essence name? (Pause)

ELIAS: I may express to you that you may be allowing yourself recall and you may be inquiring also of Mikah. This has been offered.

GINA: Oh, it has been offered already. Okay, that's fine. I have a couple of other ... a girl that I work with, her name is Dominique. Her real name is Maria, I believe. I'm sure you know who I'm speaking of. What is her essence name and how many focuses have we shared together? I believe we've shared quite a few.

ELIAS: Essence name, Yolie, Y-O-L-I-E (YOH lee).

GINA: And how many focuses have we shared?

ELIAS: Six.

GINA: Let me find that question here ... one second. I know I've asked you this before, but now that this is two years later it's probably not the same anymore. You said that about two years ago when I was working at the same place that there was a focus in the early 1900s that was integrating with this focus now. What I'm wondering is, what focus is going on with my life at this point right now?

ELIAS: And your impression?

GINA: My impression? I don't have any impressions. That's why I'm asking. I could think of a lot of different things. I know it's not the same. It's definitely different.

ELIAS: You are correct. Inquire to yourself, what do you draw to yourself?

GINA: Like energy.

ELIAS: Correct. Now; what are you creating, and therefore what shall you draw to yourself in energy in relation to another focus?

GINA: I'll think about that ... shoot.

Is there anything else that you can offer me, because I have questions to ask for Candace and Mikah. Any other information you want to give me that might be helpful in the time period I'm in right at this point in time?

ELIAS: I shall offer you an acknowledge my friend, in allowing yourself to be paying attention to self more so and allowing yourself to be becoming more familiar. I am understanding of the challenges that you are presenting to yourself and the struggle that you incorporate in relation to these challenges. Be encouraged and acknowledge yourself that you are familiarizing yourself with you more fully, and this may be quite beneficial to you in allowing you to relax your energy much more than you have allowed yourself previously.

Pay attention to your energy, to your energy field and your energy expression, for many times you incorporate a strength in tension within your energy that you are not noticing, and this also is quite affecting of these energy centers that you wish to be realigning.

GINA: I have one question. Sometimes I notice ... well, because I know that a lot of my chakras have opened - I've noticed that because I can feel them, I can actually feel them now, so that's a good time for me of course - but what happens when I feel heat? What does that mean? No one has been able to answer that question for me.

ELIAS: This is an energy surge. It is energy contained that you contain within your physical body consciousness, and at times there is not allowed a free flow and release, so to speak, of this expression of energy.

This also may be associated with what you are creating within your energy centers, and as it becomes contained there is not an allowance of a free flow and release of energy. As I have expressed previously, energy shall always be expressed. In one manner or another, it shall be expressed, and in this, as you create this tension that I have expressed to you in this conversation, what you create is a restriction of your energy held within your physical body consciousness.

Now; you are not necessarily noticing objectively the strength of tension that you incorporate, for you have become quite accustomed to the physical feel of that tension, so to speak. Therefore, your association with it is what you term to be normal, and you are not noticing this constriction of energy that you are incorporating. Therefore, periodically, in your terms, you create an energy thrust. In a manner of speaking it may be likened to a burst...

GINA: Right! That's what it feels like!

ELIAS: Correct, and this is expressed quickly and in force and that creates a physical sensation of heat.

GINA: Yes, and sometimes I'll actually start sweating. I thought maybe it was like kundalini or something. How do you experience kundalini? I've heard some people, like Jane, told me she's experienced kundalini. I mean, kundalini is when all your chakras are opened, correct?

ELIAS: This is an expression in association with religious beliefs, but you may be incorporating an action of aligning your energy centers and creating a harmony in the movement of your energy centers and also your energy field, and in that action you may be experiencing a physical expression which in actuality in physical expression creates a sensation of pleasure and harmony, calm.

GINA: So once I get my energy centers pretty much opened up all the way I'll feel that, right?

ELIAS: If you are so choosing.

GINA: I'll experience it?

ELIAS: If you are so choosing. This may be experienced in focusing your attention upon your energy centers, for your energy centers may be quite in alignment and balanced and you may not necessarily be noticing a physical sensation. It is dependent upon your attention.

GINA: So I'll work on the energy centers. So basically, what about my red energy center - that one's opened? All of them are opened except for the green and the yellow and that's it, just the heart and the solar plexus, correct?

ELIAS: Correct.

GINA: Everything else is opened up?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes.

GINA: Let's go ahead and go to my brother's questions, if I can find them. He also wants to know how many focuses he's shared with Vynlar, Mistin, Celssa and Nicarre. So we'll start with Vynlar first. (Pause)

ELIAS: Six.

GINA: Mistin?

ELIAS: Nine.

GINA: Celssa? (Pause)

ELIAS: Twenty-four.

GINA: And Nicarre?

ELIAS: Twelve.

GINA: We're going to go ahead, since we're on the focus thing, we're going to go ahead go to Candace's focuses with the children also. So Vynlar, how many has she shared with him?

ELIAS: Seven.

GINA: Mistin?

ELIAS: Six.

GINA: Celssa?

ELIAS: Seven.

GINA: And Nicarre?

ELIAS: Seven.

GINA: Now, Mikah wants to know if he was Rembrandt's wife.

ELIAS: No. (Pause, and Elias chuckles)

GINA: What?

ELIAS: Mikah, Mikah, Mikah! (Chuckling)

GINA: What?

ELIAS: Tremendous persistence!

GINA: I remember him asking this question before, didn't he? (Elias chuckles) He said if "no," what about Don Antonio Rufo, a wealthy
Sicilian nobleman?

ELIAS: No! (Chuckles)

GINA: Tell me.

ELIAS: No and no!

GINA: No and no, well that answers that.

Now we're going to go to Candace's question. She wants to know ... she said a few years ago she asked you about her teeth and she said she remembers your response, and she wants to know what is her creation now? (Pause)

ELIAS: I shall pose the question to Candace that she allow herself to be paying attention to her impressions. Candace allows herself quite efficient expressions in her impressions, if paying attention.

GINA: Her next question is, she gets one specific feeling of anxiety and she's not able to identify the communication to herself. She wants to know what she's trying to tell herself, because she's not able to figure it out.

ELIAS: This anxiety is associated with frustration, and what she is communicating to herself is that in the moment she is creating a narrowing of her ability to view her choices. In a manner of speaking, in these moments she is expressing a communication to herself that she is creating an expression of tunnel vision, so to speak. This creates a frustration in not viewing her choices, and therefore she translates this into an expression of anxiety. For the anxiety is specifically expressed as a communication that in relation to what she is creating in this narrowing of her view of choices, she is also stifling her motivation.

GINA: I have one more question.

ELIAS: Very well.

GINA: With Pia, what sort of relationship was prominent with us in the past, because I feel like I know him very well. I'm just curious to know. What kind of relationship was it?

ELIAS: Friendship.

GINA: In all of them?

ELIAS: In relation to your question of most prominently expressed.

GINA: And my father, what was the most prominent one with him, Belel? I have a feeling we were married at one time.

ELIAS: Most prominent as family members.

GINA: And what about the most prominent one with my brother, Mikah?

ELIAS: (Chuckles) Most prominent as acquaintances and adversaries!

GINA: Really? What about with Candace?

ELIAS: Most prominent in friendship.

GINA: I have one more essence name to get from you, my girlfriend Lynette. How many focuses have we've shared together, and her essence name?

ELIAS: Essence name, Withahl, W-I-T-H-A-H-L (WITH all).

GINA: And how many focuses have we shared together?

ELIAS: Six.

GINA: I think our time's almost up. Anything else you want to offer to me? Is that about it?

ELIAS: (Chuckles) Pay attention, my friend! Ha ha ha ha!

GINA: I've gotten a lot better with it.

ELIAS: You are accomplishing, as I have already acknowledged. I shall be anticipating our next meeting.

GINA: Yes, I hope it will be soon.

ELIAS: And I shall continue to be offering my energy to you.

GINA: I appreciate that.

ELIAS: Be encouraged, my friend, and allow yourself to be in your terms successful in relaxing your energy. As always I offer to you great affection.

GINA: And likewise. I will talk with you, okay?

ELIAS: To you this day, au revoir.

GINA: Au revoir.

Elias departs at 2:43 PM.

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