Discussing Reactions to the World Trade Center Bombing
"Discussing Reactions to the World Trade Center Bombing"
Thursday, September 27, 2001 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Daryl (Ashrah)
Elias arrives at 3:59 PM. (Arrival time is 26 seconds.)
ELIAS: Good afternoon!
DARYL: Hi! Well, Im in a pretty good mood so Im hoping we can have a nice fun session here.
ELIAS: Ha ha! Very well.
DARYL: The thing I want to start out with is, Ive been having a lot of dream and focus information, and I want to try to sort that out.
First off, the last time we discussed George Sand, and I have been investigating although things havent been real clear. But I did have several dreams about her, but I couldnt remember when I woke up what the content was really. I also watched that movie again and read a list of books about her and felt this kind of stuff going on within my energy centers. So I guess I dont feel real secure about this, but my general impression is that she is a focus of mine. (Pause) Hello?
DARYL: That is correct?
DARYL: Okay. But shes not of similar tone?
DARYL: Is she aligned Sumari?
DARYL: So thats interesting, because Ive been frustrated not being able to recall the actual content of the dreams, but at least my impression is correct.
The next one, I had watched a movie about the trials of Oscar Wilde and that night I had a dream, and Im not sure in that case if I was being influenced by the movie or not because a lot of times if I see something right before I go to sleep it shows up in my dreams. But in my dream I had a focus that knew you, that was a male and perhaps had an intimate relationship with you. I would say at the time of the trial I was at best non-supportive and at most extreme perhaps betrayed you. And I was wondering, do I have a focus like that?
DARYL: Now, that is separate from my focus of Cedric?
DARYL: Cause I know that Cedric is London in the 19th century. I also had the impression that his name was like two first names, something like Richard William or something like that?
ELIAS: Ah, I am understanding your association. Yes, you are correct.
DARYL: Im not saying that those are the exact names but...
ELIAS: Correct, I am understanding.
DARYL: So did we know each other real well, or was it more like a passing thing?
ELIAS: Intimately but briefly.
DARYL: Okay, thats something. Well, Id apologize to you for being betraying of you, but (Elias laughs with Daryl) it matters not!
ELIAS: Quite! Ha ha ha!
DARYL: Its interesting to me that I am getting focus information through dreams now. It seems to be the primary method.
ELIAS: Quite efficient.
DARYL: Yeah, if I can believe what Im getting. (Elias chuckles)
The next one I want to talk to you about wasnt a dream. Within the recent action with the World Trade Center, I saw videotape of Osama bin Laden, and when I saw him I had an immediate feeling of recognition and what I would call warmth. Im not sure if its imagery of no separation, or if I have a focus over there, or if we have shared focuses in the past. Could you clarify for me whats going on there?
ELIAS: First of all, offer to myself your impression concerning THIS time framework.
DARYL: Well, I kinda had two impressions: one was that he was a focus of mine, which kind of freaks me out, and the other was that ... like when I had the thing with George Sand. I dont know, its like maybe I have a focus that knows him that loves him in this present time framework or feels great affection for him in terms of some kind of relationship.
DARYL: The second one is correct?
DARYL: Can you tell me, is that within his family or if its within the military organization?
ELIAS: In association as friend.
DARYL: So am I involved in the military action on that side?
DARYL: Okay, cause thats one thing Ive noticed is that I havent held any anger over this the way a lot of people have. I dont know, I just felt like I was reacting differently than a lot of people, even within the idea that there are no victims. I dont know - it didnt set off my victim stuff. But on the other hand, the idea of Bush bombing them did kind of set off my victim beliefs.
ELIAS: I am understanding.
DARYL: Well, that helps me to understand one of the reasons that I was reacting ... do I also know him then in other shared focuses?
DARYL: Now, I had a dream this morning and Ive written down parts of it, but its been fading away. I think there were two parts of it. In the first part I was in a large house or building and I was with a lot of other people, and my feeling was that it was a Nazi Germany time framework and that the other people were people I know through the Elias forum, other focuses of them. Then that kind of faded out for me and I was in another place where Id gone, and I had this sense that for some reason I was well known and I was going to be recognized. I felt that I either killed somebody or faked my own suicide or my own death and that I left that area dressed as a female in hopes of not being recognized; but Im not sure if I was a male dressed up as a female or what was going on there. Now, is that also a focus?
DARYL: Is that separate from the male and female focuses in Germany Ive discussed with you?
DARYL: Okay. Now, was I a male?
DARYL: And was I getting that fairly accurately, that I was trying to fake my death somehow?
ELIAS: No, but you are translating accurately in association with your choice to be expressing violent acts and attempting to be fleeing and escaping similar acts in relation to yourself.
DARYL: In that situation I was fleeing...
DARYL: ...violence towards myself.
DARYL: Okay. Now, am I a Nazi in that focus?
DARYL: Am I well known?
DARYL: But I was afraid of being recognized as a Nazi, I guess?
ELIAS: Yes, and by your comrades.
DARYL: Oh, okay, because I was fleeing?
DARYL: I was a coward, huh? (They both laugh) I dont know, I guess that surprises me that thats now three focuses in that general area and timeframe. I guess I really wanted to get different aspects of it, huh?
ELIAS: Yes. Let me express to you, this is the choice of the individual essence, but some essences incorporated more focuses in that particular time framework than they choose to be in other time frameworks.
DARYL: I have in the past gotten a mental picture of a man in a Nazi uniform. Is that the person Ive been seeing? Hes like a general soldier kind of guy?
DARYL: Now one thing Ive wondered in relation to chapter focuses is, I understand that is a chapter of one of the books. Is one of those people a chapter focus, one of the two males or the female?
DARYL: But only one, cause we only have one at a time?
ELIAS: Not necessarily.
DARYL: Oh, okay.
ELIAS: You may be incorporating more than one focus that does participate in the same chapter focuses. It is not necessarily designated as one in each time framework. This is the choice once again of the essence.
DARYL: Well, then I guess ... do you want to say which one of those, or more than one, was a chapter focus?
ELIAS: What is your impression?
DARYL: I guess my impression maybe is its the guy we discussed before, whose son was killed.
DARYL: In terms of that if there can be more than one, would George Sand be a chapter focus in the French Revolution?
DARYL: So I would have Robert and her.
DARYL: Thats interesting cause Ive been assuming that there was just one at a time, but she certainly seems like she would fit in that.
Lets see, I guess Ill go on to the next one. I had a dream that was another focus dream as far as I could tell, where I was at the edge of a field, I think next to a stream, and I was with two other people and there was an animal there that might have been a cow, and myself and the other two people were going to kill the animal for food. Is that also a focus?
ELIAS: Yes. You are engaging much activity in this subject matter recently, are you not?
DARYL: Yes, I am. (Elias chuckles) And I was wondering in that if one of the other two people was Archer, a focus of Archer?
ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.
DARYL: Is the other person by any chance a focus of Oona?
DARYL: Yes. All right! Because thats another thing; after I had that dream I was communicating with Archer and we started a - I dont know exactly what to call it - an energy mergence to enhance our movement, and now Oona is also involved in that. I wondered if you could talk about that.
Part of it is that it was to help us move towards acceptance of beliefs and also acceptance of self, and especially in the area of acceptance of self, exploring the concept of evil. We started that less than a week before the mass event happened, and it seems to me that there must be a definite connection in the timing of that and what were doing. I wondered if you could speak some about what kind of thing is going on and the benefits and anything you think might be helpful to know about it. You know what Im referring to, right?
ELIAS: I may express to you that it is not a coincidence, and that you are allowing yourselves to be exploring avenues in which you recognize beliefs and automatic responses and offer yourselves choice rather than automatic responses, which is, in a manner of speaking, lending energy or offering energy to a collective expression to not be expressing judgment and blame, which offers energy in a direction of less trauma in association with this shift in consciousness.
DARYL: Oh, that sounds pretty good! (They both laugh)
ELIAS: I may express to you also, many individuals that have offered themselves information consistent with the information that I express, and perhaps that other essences have been expressing also, and have allowed themselves to genuinely assimilate that information ARE moving into an expression of more of an acceptance and allowing themselves to examine automatic responses as prompted by this cooperative of this mass event.
Now; as I express "cooperative" I am NOT expressing co-creation. I am merely expressing an identification that you ALL are cooperating collectively together in creating this mass event, and in that you have created this action quite purposefully. As I have expressed in my discussion with Rudy and Lawrence, you have presented yourselves in this time framework with the challenge of what you shall choose, automatic responses or freedom in choice, justification and judgment, or trust and acceptance.
In this, as you continue to view what you each are creating, this shall also be reflected en masse, and in this you may genuinely offer yourselves the example in objective terms of what I have been expressing to you from the onset of this phenomenon: Each individual creates their reality; EACH individual holds TREMENDOUS expression of affectingness. You are equally affecting; therefore, the expression of each of you is what creates the mass. And this is the reason that there is great significance placed upon the expression of the individual, for without the individual there is no mass.
In this, you may be noticing many turning their perceptions and allowing themselves a time framework of examination. You are all moving into this type of expression, evaluating genuinely how you shall choose and how you shall create the reality that you want.
Now; I may express to you that this is not to say you are not also creating some restrictions and obstacles within your process of movement, for there is a continuation of confusion that many, many individuals are incorporating and experiencing, and there continues to be a collective expression that incorporates some aspects of fear.
But you also are turning your attentions to self and allowing yourselves to examine your individual choices and directions. You are, in actuality, offering yourself objective evidence of how you are redefining your reality presently, and each time you allow yourself an acceptance within self, you also offer energy in a rippling outward to the collective, which is affecting of the mass expression.
DARYL: Cause I have noticed, especially in the past week or so or maybe even less than that, that there is this sense that there are other choices than the automatic response of "lets go kill everybody."
ELIAS: Correct. You are beginning to recognize objectively, not merely individually but also en masse, that you do incorporate more choices than merely what you view to be the black and white.
DARYL: Now, one thing that Ive noticed is that I feel sort of like a victim of the event in the sense that I feel my society has changed in ways that I dont especially like and that Im not very accepting of. And also, within the orientation of soft, I feel like I pick up a lot of emotions that ... I dont know, like when it happened, I wasnt necessarily reacting that way personally, myself, it didnt seem like, but then I was feeling everybody else reacting that way. So I feel like Im kind of acting out victim beliefs in that sense, rather than directly through the event. Is that a correct interpretation?
ELIAS: Partially. Now, Ashrah, allow yourself to recognize that every aspect of this event, every aspect of imagery that you have offered to yourself in every manner and every communication that you have offered to yourself, is a creation of yours. Therefore, if you are expressing your association with victim in relation to other individuals, this is a reflection to you of you.
This particular event, I may say to you, has been created quite efficiently. For, you have chosen to be creating a mass event of what you perceive to be enormous proportions, and in this you have created this action to allow yourselves an objective viewing of all that you associate with individually inwardly, for each of you has created the entirety of the event in the manner in which you have perceived it, to the extent of involvement or lack of involvement that you each uniquely choose.
But the point is that whatever you have presented to yourself in this event you have offered to yourself to OPEN to all of your automatic associations and beliefs and how these are affecting of your perception, in an effort, so to speak, to allow yourselves to become MORE intimately familiar with yourselves. For every aspect that you perceive is what you create; therefore, is you.
DARYL: Im also still trying to understand the individual and mass events. Now, Im not saying that Im there or anybody else is there, but say there was someone around at the time who had accepted all of their beliefs about victimhood and the other beliefs that were involved in this. Would they more or less not even be aware of the event, or how would that work?
ELIAS: Not necessarily. They may be allowing themselves a creation of an objective awareness of this event and be participating in this creation in a recognition of no separation. Therefore, yes, there may be allowed an objective awareness of what is being created. For in the expression of no separation, each essence focused in this physical dimension is creating this event, for ANY event that is created in any aspect of your reality you are also participating in its creation, in the expression of no separation. The perception may be quite different and it may appear quite unfamiliar to many of you in the familiarity of your mass beliefs and your accepted mass behaviors, but this is not to say that the individual shall not be aware of what has been created, for as I have stated, they have created it also in participation.
I may express to you, not in what you term to be complete acceptance of these beliefs but in a genuine expression of what may be deemed as almost an acceptance entirely of some of these aspects of the beliefs, there are some individuals that perceive these events quite differently.
In actuality, I may express to you, I have engaged conversation with one individual this day that expresses that type of acceptance. This is an acceptance of self and a genuine beginning of movement into an actual remembrance - not memory, but the state of being of remembrance, which is the point - and is moving into an actual expression within the widening of awareness in this shift in consciousness, in which the perception is tremendously altered. This is not to say that the individual has altered the event in participation, but the perception of the event is quite different from the mass.
DARYL: I believe thats what Michael was referring to in our conversation earlier.
ELIAS: He is correct, and I may express to you, Michael is not aware yet objectively of his recognition of what he has observed this day with this individual, merely that the individual holds a difference in perception. But I may express to you presently, this is an identification of an individual that has allowed themselves this type of acceptance. I myself have encouraged this individual as an acknowledgment of their accomplishment in actually expressing in this subject matter themselves as the straight little sapling.
DARYL: Oh, a little sapling? Okay.
ELIAS: Therefore, be encouraged my friend. For as one individual accomplishes, so do you all. As one essence offers energy, you all benefit.
DARYL: Because within her, what shes accomplishing is rippling out to the rest of us.
ELIAS: Quite, and also you all are creating that action also. You may not necessarily presently hold an objective awareness of that movement, but this is not to say that you are not creating it.
DARYL: One of the things that kind of confused me is that I personally, before this happened, I felt a lot of movement within myself, like I really was moving more towards acceptance. The day before it, I woke up - and Ive had parts of the energy block down before when I woke up - but that day before, most of it was out of commission and it gradually came back during the day; but I had never felt that altered. Then the next day I woke up and all this was going on. It was really a surprise to me because it seemed like a different direction than I had been going personally.
ELIAS: Many individuals and yourself also have allowed themselves experiences in which they offered to themselves an expression of trust within self, which allowed you to not be engaging the trauma in extreme that other individuals may have chosen to be participating within and creating.
DARYL: So that was also quite intentional on my part that that happened at that particular time.
ELIAS: Yes, this is not coincidence.
DARYL: I know there arent coincidences, but sometimes it just seems like there are! (Elias laughs)
I wanted to ask you about some physical symptoms. Ive had a lot of headaches again that seem like duplicity headaches Ive had before, but Ive also had a lot of tightness in my head and jaw and some sore spots on the back of my head. Is that all related to duplicity and the great amount of it going on through this mass event?
ELIAS: Not merely in this mass event, but in the accelerated movement of it in this wave in consciousness, yes.
DARYL: And I also have some soreness in my left little toe, and I was wondering if that was a reflection of victim beliefs, or the other thing that occurred to me is that I have wide feet, and it seems like my feet are widening further and I wondered if it was some kind of expression of trauma about widening.
ELIAS: Not necessarily trauma, but your imagery to yourself concerning widening of awareness and that at times that may be incorporating uncomfortableness.
DARYL: Okay. I also, especially yesterday, I had a whole lot of stiffness all over my body, and my only impression of that was maybe
it was a reflection of the great tension I am holding within myself around these events, and, I dont know, that Im just kind of restricting my movement and kind of holding myself like in a straightjacket or something.
ELIAS: Yes, you are correct, and this may be associated to an expression of rigidness. As you examine your individual imagery and your physical expression, you may also choose to be incorporating more flexibility in relation to your beliefs, and this shall offer you more of an ease in movement into acceptance.
DARYL: I know I did something really quite funny and affecting this week relating to victim beliefs. I dont know, it was so funny that it really ... it was an effective way to finally get my attention about something and it was amusing at the same time, so I liked that. (Elias chuckles)
I have realized that regarding our previous discussion about struggle that I do have a thing about struggling with the whole concept of the shift and that that would be a struggle, but I also struggle with beliefs in an attempt to change them rather than accept them.
ELIAS: Quite! And this is the rigidness.
DARYL: Cause thats one of the things that I pointed out to myself this week.
ELIAS: Yes, and be remembering my friend, this is not the point. You are not eliminating or changing; you are moving your attention into acceptance.
DARYL: I know, I just spent so long trying to change them, even though...
DARYL: ...I havent been successful at it, but you know...
ELIAS: But this is familiar.
DARYL: It is very familiar. Its like an automatic response. Well, like we were saying last time, struggle is everywhere when I look around me. Its like that is how I create my life, whether it is a traffic jam and how I deal with driving down the street or beliefs or...
ELIAS: And you may be examining this also. As I have expressed previously in relation to this mass event, allow yourself now to examine the mass event and your individual expression and how they correlate, that expressions of value are won through struggle and difficulty. (Daryl sighs) Heroism is expressed at tremendous price.
DARYL: We had imagery of that, too, in the event.
ELIAS: Quite. It is the same, my friend. The belief is the same.
DARYL: Okay. For all I know this might be related, because usually everything in the session is. I wanted to talk to you about something that happened with me, and Ive thought about it in terms of the dual simultaneous response that weve talked about, and also Im interested in it in terms of emotion as communication, cause I also know before you didnt want to skip shells about the response.
What happened was that I was holding my attention within self and I was feeling quite confident and powerful, and all of a sudden I felt this pain in my back that indicates that Im being duplicitous with myself in terms of discounting self and sometimes being angry at myself. Then I felt very strongly the wounded emotional response that I feel, that I identify with the simultaneous response.
I wasnt interacting with anybody, I wasnt even watching TV or anything when this happened, and Im interested in knowing what was going on there, or if Im misinterpreting it and it was just some kind of emotional communication. Cause it seemed like it was the result of my feeling my attention was within self and feeling powerful and one would say good about myself.
ELIAS: And your association with this experience? Your identification is that you have offered yourself an experience of powerfulness and you have discounted yourself?
DARYL: It felt like it was kind of a backlash to the feeling of power.
ELIAS: That it is unfamiliar, and this incorporates the issue of worth.
DARYL: Now, was that the dual response or was that simply something else?
DARYL: It was?
DARYL: Another thing that Ive gotten through dreams is that I got very specific information of addressing some religious beliefs, and I read some of what you said about that it specifically has to do with the area of kind of personal duplicity and feeling less than.
DARYL: That to me is very tied in with my energy block along with a great deal of victim feeling and beliefs with the energy block.
ELIAS: Yes, for this also is associated with your perception of worth of self.
DARYL: Okay, so am I basically addressing a lot of the areas that have to do with the energy block?
ELIAS: Yes, which also is an aspect of your participation in this mass event.
DARYL: Because they match up pretty well, I must say.
ELIAS: Quite! You reflect quite accurately the expressions in objective imagery with your associations inwardly.
DARYL: So I assume that I am experiencing movement towards removing the energy block eventually.
DARYL: Is there anything else that you would like to add regarding that area or struggle or victimhood or something, that would be useful to me at this time?
ELIAS: I may express to you, once again, to be paying attention. In this time framework you are all, regardless of your orientations, creating a type of movement in association with inserting this shift in consciousness into your objective physical reality. Therefore, you all are presenting to yourselves objective expressions and imagery that reflect many of your inner expressions, so to speak, or your associations in relation to your beliefs and your perceptions.
In this time framework, my suggestion is that you allow yourself to discover the identification of your attention. For as you allow yourself to discover the mechanism of your attention, you shall also allow yourself an avenue in which you may be more intentionally directing of your attention. For I may say to you, as I may offer to other individuals also, that much of your movement of your attention is automatically directed; but this is not to say that you may not alter that by locating, in a manner of speaking, where your attention is.
Now; in allowing yourself the discovery of your attention, you may allow yourself to move it from thought or from the association that it focuses upon in relation to experiences, in recall of experiences and projection of future experiences, in association with absoluteness. And as you genuinely begin discovering this expression of attention that you create, you may move it to the actual creating element of yourself, that aspect of yourself that chooses and acts. This is significant, for this is the aspect that shall genuinely offer you an awareness of your freedom.
This is significant to you all, but in relation to you individually, Ashrah, what I am expressing is a further movement into new layers of yourself, new familiarity with yourself in greater awareness and what you term to be depth. For as you look to yourself, you may identify what you are creating, but as you are not quite familiar with this expression of attention itself, you also are not always aware of where your attention is actually directed, and therefore you may be creating an expression - be it a physical expression in relation to your body consciousness, or be it an expression in relation to fear, it matters not - you may be creating an expression within your movement and you are creating choices that incorporate actions that you are not paying attention to in the moment, for your attention is actually directed in another aspect of yourself, another mechanism of yourself, not necessarily the aspect of yourself that chooses and acts. Are you understanding?
DARYL: I think so, and I think that a lot of the time its thought that Im directing my attention to.
ELIAS: You are quite correct, as is...
DARYL: Ive realized that I have spent my life thinking that I can think my way through anything.
ELIAS: And that your attention is your thoughts, but it is not. Therefore, the challenge stands to be discovering the expression of attention and where it is actually directed. This is the HOW of what you create, not the "what." And this is your next step, so to speak. This is what I was expressing to you previously in your movement of not skipping shells, at that time. (Pause)
DARYL: Im having one of those times that I really enjoy, where I feel like a lot of concepts that Ive learned about are finally kind of coming together and making sense and taking on actual experiences.
ELIAS: Correct, and this also is an aspect of each of your participation in this mass event, to be accomplishing precisely that.
DARYL: Well, it certainly is exciting. (Elias chuckles) Well, I see our time is up. Its been helpful, once again, to talk to you, plus enjoyable, and I guess we still have a lot of adventures ahead.
ELIAS: Quite! Ha ha! And I may express to you also MY enjoyment in conversation with you once again. Continue your adventure, and be not forgetful of playfulness.
DARYL: Yes, I think Ive been incorporating that more. (Elias chuckles) For one thing, hanging around with Archer is conducive to that kind of activity. (They both laugh) So, yes.
ELIAS: Very well, my friend, as always I extend to you great encouragement and tremendous affection, and I shall be anticipating our next meeting in your adventure.
DARYL: Me too.
ELIAS: To you this day, au revoir.
DARYL: Au revoir.
Elias departs at 5:01 PM.
(1) Daryls note: This focus disengaged in December 2001.
(2) Daryls note: This energy interaction is known as DareDevil and DaredEvil, and currently involves Debi (Oona) and me (and maybe more subjectively).
(3) Session #902, 9/13/01 (transcript released in September of 2001).
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