Saturday, September 22, 2001 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and two new participants, Jim
(Trecia) and Mavis (Mouve)
Elias arrives at 1:56 PM. (Arrival time is 26 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning!

MAVIS: Good morning!

JIM: Good morning.

ELIAS: (Chuckles) Welcome!

JIM: This is Jim, and my wife Mavis is on the other line.

MAVIS: Hello, Elias.

ELIAS: Greetings to you both.

JIM: This is our first session, so we're kind of looking at starting very generally, I suppose. I guess the first thing we would be interested in is my family, alignment and orientation, and then for Mavis.

ELIAS: Very well.

JIM: Can you start with myself?

ELIAS: Very well. Essence name, Trecia, T-R-E-C-I-A (TREH shah). Essence family, Sumafi; alignment, Borledim; orientation, common.

JIM: And for Mavis?

ELIAS: Essence name, Mouve, M-O-U-V-E (MAAHV). Essence family, Sumari; alignment, Ilda; orientation, common.

JIM: So her essence family was Sumari?

ELIAS: Correct.

MAVIS: Right, and Ilda.

JIM: Yes. Could you also do that for my son, Taylor?

ELIAS: Very well. Essence name, Sauvell, S-A-U-V-E-L-L (sah VELL). Essence family, Sumafi; alignment, Sumari; orientation, common.

JIM: And our daughter, Nicole?

ELIAS: Essence name, Neajwah, N-E-A-J-W-A-H (NEE ah wah). Essence family, Tumold; alignment, Zuli; orientation, common.

JIM: Thank you.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome.

JIM: Did you want to start with a question, Mavis?

MAVIS: I'm kind of curious - I've had in my life people mistake my name for Mabel, and it happens quite often and regularly. I'm wondering, what is that?

ELIAS: I may express to you, this type of association is expressed many times within your physical focus, for some focuses of attention may be closely associated with other focuses of attention of a particular essence.

In this, the two focuses of the essence may express very similar tone and also very similar manifestation and similar expressions of energy and experiences. Within physical focus, other individuals recognize these expressions of energies and may confuse them, and therefore express a physical identification of name that appears to you to be incorrect but also may appear coincidental that the same name is consistently expressed in confusion.

In this situation, you as essence do manifest another focus of attention which incorporates that physical name. That focus of attention expresses a very similar energy to yourself.

MAVIS: That makes sense, based on what we've read.

ELIAS: Be remembering, my friends, all of your focuses in actuality ARE present within you. Therefore, certain expressions of other focuses and that energy may be recognized easily by other individuals, for there is, figuratively speaking, a type of bleed-through of that energy which at times is almost superimposed upon this focus presently that other individuals do recognize, although they may not objectively be translating what they are aware of.

MAVIS: Just intuitive.

ELIAS: Correct.

MAVIS: I have one other question related to an incident that my sister and I shared, oh I don't know, about 30 years ago, where we were kind of in an altered state, almost like we had been drinking, but we hadn't been. We were doing the dishes and a cup fell out of the cupboard, and we both saw it break. But we snapped out of that trance-like state that we were in at that moment, and when we went to pick up the cup it was not there. I'm wondering if you have an explanation for that.

ELIAS: (Chuckles) You have offered yourselves an opportunity to view and participate in an action of stepping sideways into an alternate reality.

MAVIS: So, another probability of this reality or an actual other reality?

ELIAS: An actual alternate reality which was occurring simultaneous to your objective reality in which you are creating the same physical scenario but you are altering some of the actions within it. This, in actuality, you have offered to yourselves as a presentment of the existence of more of reality than you familiarly allow yourselves to view.

In actuality, this is quite efficient that you have allowed yourself this experience, for this provides you with an avenue to draw upon experience that you have offered to yourself which shall validate the concepts that you draw to yourself NOW. As I have expressed previously to other individuals, you may be offering yourselves concepts and you may assimilate these concepts intellectually, but without the experience of these concepts you do not move the concepts into an expression of reality. As you create experiences, you allow yourself to move the concepts into an expression of reality.

JIM: So basically Mavis and her sister were able to see and then choose a different probability than one that would normally have occurred - something of that nature?

MAVIS: I think it was a different reality, a different dimension.

ELIAS: Not a different probability, so to speak, not necessarily a probable reality but an actual alternate reality that, in a manner of speaking, exists side by side with the reality that you view objectively.

MAVIS: Did you have any questions, Jim?

JIM: I just have maybe a general question, and it's very general. Elias, from what you can tell from how I am progressing or how I am moving along with assimilating this material, is there anything that you see that are areas that I should concentrate on specifically for me? (Pause)

ELIAS: I may express to you to be noticing attention and practicing being aware of your attention, recognizing that attention directs your movement and that your attention is not thought. This may be quite a challenge! (Elias chuckles with Mavis and Jim)

MAVIS: Oh, yes, we've had some interesting challenges in the last couple of years.

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha! I may express to you, within your physical dimension it is quite unfamiliar to be recognizing what your attention is, for you have mis-defined your attention as thought, and thought is not attention. You may turn your attention to thought, but your thoughts are not attention themselves.

MAVIS: I'll have to think about that one!

ELIAS: Ha ha! I may also express to you, in your individual movement and information that you have offered to yourself previously, you may allow yourself to examine your definitions of certain aspects of your reality. For in offering yourself information previously in what you term to be studies, so to speak, the concept that thought is reality has also been misinterpreted; for this statement is in actuality correct, but the misinterpretation of this statement is that thought creates reality.

Thought does not create reality. Thought IS reality, but it does not precede what you choose, and it does not orchestrate your creations. It is not a device of creation. Therefore, thought does not generate manifestation.

MAVIS: I guess that's a fear that we've got, that it does.

ELIAS: It is not necessarily a fear, although at times you do express fear in relation to your definition of the function of thought. But many times also you confuse yourselves and question your ability to be creating, for you define the mechanism or the action of thought as creating, and in actuality this is not its function.

MAVIS: I guess I'll have to go back and reread some of those sessions that you've given on thought, because I've read that. I've tried to apply it, and I don't quite get that. (Laughing)

ELIAS: I am understanding. For this is, in actuality, my friends, the objective aspect of the movement of this shift in consciousness which you are now beginning to actualize in this new century, as I have stated previously. This is the redefining of your reality, the redefining of terms, the allowance to be recognizing the actual movements of yourselves in HOW you create your reality.

Prior to this point you have occupied yourselves in your attentions with viewing WHAT you create within your reality. Now you move into the examination and the realization of HOW you create your reality, and in this process you continue to be challenging yourselves with the concept that you do create ALL of your reality. I may express to you quite literally, there remains aspects of each individual's reality that they view that they do not create, even in offering themselves volumes of information that express to you that you do create every aspect of it.

MAVIS: And that's a challenge sometimes.

ELIAS: Quite! You are quite correct, for this is unfamiliar. You are, in actuality, in a manner of speaking reconstructing all of your physical reality in this dimension.

MAVIS: Is that why we keep coming across the same problems over and over again, the same challenges?

ELIAS: You present this type of movement to yourselves, as you are not paying attention. You continue to present certain movements to yourself to continue to offer yourselves the opportunity to understand and to assimilate and to accept.

MAVIS: So are we progressing on that line or...?

ELIAS: Yes!

MAVIS: Yes? Sometimes it feels like we're not progressing. (Elias chuckles) And it's been frustrating!

ELIAS: And I shall express to you, fear not, you ARE. (Chuckles)

MAVIS: And we knew you would say that too! (Laughing)

ELIAS: Ha ha! Allow yourselves to view through your perceptions the challenge is in actuality wondrous, for it is exploration and this is the movement of consciousness. All of consciousness engages continuous exploration of itself, and you also in this physical dimension are creating that movement. It is never-ending.

MAVIS: So, more challenges to come!

ELIAS: HA HA HA! (Playfully) I am detecting in this tone an aspect of disappointment and an association of negativity in relation to this terminology of challenge! Ha ha! Not that of exploring and discovery, but of work and drudgery!

MAVIS: Sometimes it does feel like work and drudgery - bad week! (Laughs)

ELIAS: And this also is an opportunity to alter your perception. Ha ha ha!

MAVIS: Did you have any other questions, Jim?

JIM: Not without deviating, I suppose, from this conversation, and this is a good one. (Jim and Elias laugh) I don't know exactly where else to take it.

ELIAS: You may deviate if you are so choosing, my friend. (Laughs) It matters not!

JIM: I was wondering, Elias, if you could make some comment on the experiences that my brother Richard has? Kind of how he's doing, being that he does experience reality a little differently than the rest of us, and this material really puts it in a different perspective. I was just wondering if you could comment on it quickly.

ELIAS: Offer identification of your concern.

JIM: My brother Richard - I was just kind of wondering how he is doing within this shift, and how is he perceiving things, and maybe his relationship to me. (Pause)

ELIAS: Offer brief explanation in beneficial capacity for those individuals that may be objectively interactive with this subject matter; clarify.

MAVIS: Describe it.

JIM: You want me to be more clear in my question?

ELIAS: Yes.

JIM: I guess I'm not too clear in what my question really is. I'm not quite sure how to ask it. (Laughs) Is there any comment you could make about how my brother is experiencing...

MAVIS: Because Richard does have a physical handicap - or I guess it's not physical - a mental handicap.

JIM: That's how it's perceived, but I'm kind of wondering, is he more progressed than the rest of us are within this shift in consciousness?

ELIAS: Not necessarily more progressive, in a manner of speaking, but I may express to you that there is less rigidness in the expression of the focus which allows for different types of experiences.

Let me also express to you, my friend, in the movement of this shift in consciousness your perceptions are altering, and you are becoming aware that there are in actuality no absolutes. Therefore, in relation to your question, the reason that I am expressing the inquiries to you that I am is to challenge you to be allowing yourself the recognition of what you are actually asking. For in asking how this individual is doing or perceiving or creating, the question may be posed to you, how are YOU creating his perception? How are you creating your manifestation of him?

JIM: Well, that's an interesting question! (Laughs) I'm not sure how to answer that. I have to think about that.

ELIAS: How do you perceive him?

JIM: I believe that he is probably in tune with his other focuses. I believe he's much more in tune with the other aspects of his essence, because I think he does tend to be more internally focused than say myself and others who are very much consumed with objective creation.

ELIAS: And this is precisely how you are creating him, for what you view, my friend, is the projection of YOUR perception. Therefore, how you perceive him is how he is, for you create that.

JIM: Well, that's quite interesting. So his own experiences could be quite different from what I'm perceiving. Is that a true statement?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes. I may express to you, what you actually interact with is the projection of energy of the individual, but what you physically interact with in actual physical manifestation of matter is your creation.

As I have expressed previously in explanation concerning perception and how you create your reality, each of you - individually, uniquely - you participate in this physical dimension with many, many, many other essences which focus many attentions in this physical reality; as a focus of attention you interact with the energy which is projected by other focuses of attention of other essences, but what is physically manifest in each of your realities is a projection of your individual perception.

Therefore, as I have stated previously, in this interaction that you engage with myself presently, the two of you are actually four of you, for you each create your individual focuses of attention - yourselves - and you each create the other individual. Therefore, there is one manifestation of each of you that you yourselves are creating, and there is also one manifestation of each of you that the other individual is creating. The one that you individually interact with in physical manifestation, in actual flesh that you visually see before you, is the one that you have individually created a projection of. Therefore, you create it to be whatever you perceive.

JIM: That's pretty explicit. (They all chuckle)

MAVIS: That was very clear.

ELIAS: Quite powerful beings, are you not, and quite creative. There is much more to be explored within the expression of your physical dimension than you realize yet, and this is the motivation in creating this shift in consciousness.

MAVIS: So in other words, we've still got a lot of work to do together, for we have a lot to learn.

ELIAS: Ah! And these also are expressions of your beliefs. You may be incorporating the perception that there is much to continue to explore and be playful with!

MAVIS: I think we forget the playful part. (Elias laughs) I know we do! Very interesting, Elias. You have a way of getting right to the point. (Laughs)

ELIAS: And I may express many times the point may be offered but not understood. Ha ha!

JIM: That's where the rubber hits the road!

ELIAS: And therefore I continue to offer the point again and again. Ha ha ha!

MAVIS: And someday it'll absorb! (Elias laughs)

JIM: Do you get bored with having to repeat yourself?

ELIAS: No.

JIM: That's good! (Laughs)

ELIAS: It matters not, and in this I may express to you quite genuinely, I do not experience the expressions of emotions that you engage within your physical dimension. Therefore I may assure you, my friends, that I do not incorporate frustration with you all. (Laughs)

JIM: Have Mavis and I shared a lot of other focus relationships, or do we?

ELIAS: Yes, and I may express to you that you may quite easily access information concerning other focuses that you participate within, and to you each I may suggest that you allow yourselves to investigate these other focuses together. For in concentrating your energies together, you may allow yourselves to access viewing these focuses much more easily.

MAVIS: Yes, because we haven't had any success on our own.

JIM: We may not have been trying very hard.

MAVIS: No.

ELIAS: Offer yourselves a focal point and allow yourselves together to pool your energy in a common direction. Allow yourselves to participate together in visualizations or in meditations. You may even choose to be engaging together in dream imagery. In this, you pool your energies together and create much more of an ease in allowing your movement in accessing information.

I may express to you both that you have drawn yourselves together in a recognition of natural complement of energies. Therefore you also create much more of an ease in sharing energy than you do in separating and expressing individually.

MAVIS: Interesting. So we still have a lot of work to do together.

JIM: Well, and sharing this adventure together is a good thing. Now there's a judgment! (Elias laughs) It's more easy.

ELIAS: Correct!

JIM: (Laughs) Well, that's good. Mavis and I have always been very close to each other, and I've always felt it was almost destined with the two of us. We want to be so close together emotionally, sometimes we think that it's almost we're too focused on each other, to the detriment maybe of focusing on self.

ELIAS: Let me express to you, this is not an accident. You have quite purposefully in this focus drawn yourselves together in recognition of this natural complement and in recognition of the ease in movement of energy in the moments that you allow yourselves expressions together, and this is not to be discounted, my friend.

JIM: From your perspective, do we tend to focus too much on each other, rather than looking after self? Or are things okay, and we just need to pay more attention and work together in visualizations like you're suggesting?

ELIAS: I may not necessarily express to you that you focus upon each other too much, in your terms, but I may say to you that it is significant and holds importance that you also allow yourselves the balance of paying attention to self, for in this you create a natural circle, so to speak. For in focusing your attention upon self, in actuality what you create is a movement of allowing yourself more freedom to be incorporating the other individual with more of an expression of acceptance and allowance.

You are already accustomed to moving in energy and expression together. Now also incorporate not merely the movement together but the attention in familiarizing yourselves with self, which shall enhance the expression of energy together. Are you understanding?

JIM: I think so. It's probably the balance that we need to strive towards a little more, and it sounds very complementary.

ELIAS: This is not to say that you may be discontinuing the movement together - I am not expressing this to you - but merely to be balancing with more of an incorporation of self also.

JIM: Yes, definitely, that's what I was thinking originally.

ELIAS: Correct. Not to be diminishing the complement that you naturally express together, but to also incorporate the addition, so to speak, of focusing upon self.

MAVIS: I guess I'm kind of curious how our children fit in with that. We're very close with them.

ELIAS: As you allow yourselves to view - and you do - objectively, that the natural complement that you allow in your expression with each other also ripples out to incorporate what you express as your children, in turning your attention to be incorporating more of a familiarity with self, you merely enhance what you are already creating.

MAVIS: That makes sense.

ELIAS: Individuals quite often incorporate this information and in the familiarity of your beliefs and your automatic associations express to themselves that if they are turning their attention to self they shall automatically be excluding other individuals from the scope of their attention. This is quite incorrect, for this is not what actually occurs in the action of genuinely turning your attention to self. In actuality, as you pay attention to self in your choices and how you are creating and the influences of your individual beliefs and allowing yourself an acceptance, you automatically open to other individuals.

Now; in returning to our previous conversation with regard to other individuals and how you create other individuals, if you are turning your attention to self and generating acceptance and trust within self, you are also discontinuing judgments. If you are discontinuing judgments within self, you shall also automatically as a by-product of that action discontinue judgments in relation to other individuals, and you shall create them in acceptance also. Are you understanding?

MAVIS: Yes.

JIM: That was very good.

MAVIS: I guess I have a tough time with that one. (Pause)

JIM: Do you have any other questions, dear? I think we've got about ten minutes or so.

MAVIS: I know the scenario that I need to work on: judgment itself. I'm just not progressing on it.

ELIAS: Pay attention to the aspect of yourself that chooses, and as you turn your attention to the aspect of yourself that chooses, that DOING mechanism of yourself, your attention shall shift to not be as intensely concentrated upon the thought mechanism of yourself. For I shall express once again the identification of the mechanism of thought and its relation to your beliefs, and express to you that your beliefs are seated in thought.

MAVIS: They are what?

ELIAS: They are seated in thought.

MAVIS: Oh, seated in thought. So I spend too much time thinking and not enough time doing.

JIM: Or paying attention to the part that chooses.

ELIAS: Correct. It is not that you are not doing. You are continuously doing [and] you are continuously choosing, but this is not to say that you are paying attention to the doing or the choosing; but you are paying attention to the thinking.

MAVIS: Yes.

ELIAS: And the thinking is the seat of your beliefs, the expression of your beliefs.

JIM: So the key is to find the part that does the choosing.

ELIAS: CORRECT! One point!

JIM: That was probably right in front of our noses.

ELIAS: Ha ha! This is the aspect of yourselves that you are attempting to discover. This is the point of what I began our discussion with in your first question and the information that I express to you to be recognizing, and noticing your attention and where it is directed.

For in this, in allowing yourself to turn your attention to this doing/choosing aspect of yourself, you allow yourself to discover that aspect of yourself objectively that you have believed previously was hidden from you. This IS quite an objective aspect of yourselves, but this is also that aspect of yourselves that you confuse with a subjective awareness that is choosing for you and at times sabotaging your direction.

I may express to you my friends, it holds great significance that you allow yourself to turn your attention and be noticing this doing/choosing mechanism of yourselves which is quite objective, for it quite closely follows your direction. Therefore, within any moment of your focus you may allow yourself to identify and discover what your direction is in actuality, merely through the action of paying attention to what you choose.

JIM: That makes sense.

ELIAS: And what you choose is not always what you think.

JIM: Well, our time is up, Elias.

ELIAS: Very well, my friends. I offer to you both great encouragement in your new challenge of adventure. I offer to you the suggestion and the reminder to be playful; incorporate fun in your adventure. In this, I shall be anticipating our next meeting and offer to you great affection, and in playfulness, be on the watch for my energy, for I shall offer it to you as a reminder to be incorporating fun. (All laugh)

JIM: Thank you very much.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome. In great lovingness to you both this day, au revoir.

JIM: Thank you. Bye-bye.

Elias departs at 2:57 PM.

(1) This sentence was originally expressed as: "Therefore, it may be recognized easily certain expressions of other focuses and that energy by other individuals, for there is figuratively speaking a type of bleed-through of that energy which at times is almost superimposed upon this focus presently, and other individuals do recognize, although they may not objectively be translating what they are aware of."

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