Thursday, August 16, 2001 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Daryl (Ashrah)
Elias arrives at 4:57 PM. (Arrival time is 39 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good day, Ashrah.

DARYL: Hello, Elias. How's tricks? (Elias chuckles)

ELIAS: As always.

DARYL: I figured you'd say that.

ELIAS: And I may express to you the same inquiry, how are tricks? (Laughs)

DARYL: Pretty interesting.

ELIAS: Ah!

DARYL: Oh, boy. So, in my continuing saga (Elias chuckles) I will say that since we last talked objectively, I took kind of a little trauma vacation, as I think of it, where I just got to rest and have fun and stuff. Then I had two really intense breathing spells, and then I felt like there was kind of a change in me that was less separation within self. Then for like three weeks I was concentrating on the yellow energy center and the other stuff going on with me; I was dealing with the fear and the energy block, but I wasn't having the breathing difficulty.

Last week I started feeling like I really was opening up somewhat, and I was feeling really vulnerable. I guess I kind of scared myself with that, because the breathing stuff just came back really intensely the past few days. But also I got some more information in the dream state today, and I want to talk to you about that.

ELIAS: Very well.

DARYL: Also I've been sneezing a lot again for the first time in a while, so I think I'm doing something differently with some of my fear there, too.

One thing I want to know is, is my movement through the fear continuing even though it's in different forms?

ELIAS: Yes.

DARYL: Now, I'm still kind of unclear about when I go into the breathing stuff. Did I effectively scare myself back into that by feeling so vulnerable, or is it kind of independent of...

ELIAS: Partially.

DARYL: Partially, okay.

ELIAS: Continue, and we shall discuss further an examination of what you are creating.

DARYL: Oh, and another thing I'm curious about is, I do get hot in conjunction with the breathing; but in-between, the three weeks when I wasn't having trouble breathing, I would get hot spells a lot that would just last for a couple minutes and were very quick. I'm not positive about this, but it seemed like they were occurring when I was discounting self, and specifically discounting my ability to create what I want.

ELIAS: Correct.

DARYL: So, I don't know, would it be productive to talk about the energy center stuff, or should I talk to you about the dream state information?

ELIAS: Continue with your evaluation of your dream imagery and your interpretation and impression concerning your dream imagery.

DARYL: The dream imagery or state that kicked this off was definitely a dream. I was in a room and most of the walls were made of glass, so I felt really exposed. Someone was going to come in there and kill me; I'm not sure exactly why. That was when I'd been feeling real vulnerable, and I think that was a reflection of that.

The stuff that happened today to me was more of the stuff that happens when I drop the veils of separation. It was very strong. I've been trying to get it for a while, 'cause usually it doesn't take this long for me to catch up objectively. But today it was all kinds of information like we talked before, about images containing a whole bunch of information. It was about the interaction of my focuses and my interaction with other essences within physical reality, and it might have had something to do with chapter focuses too, I'm not sure. But it was a huge amount of information, and I didn't try to translate it a whole lot, because when that happened to me before in the objective state it wasn't helpful to try to translate it, which we discussed some at one time.

I don't know, one of the things I was thinking about asking today was if you could, in the subjective part of the session that's going on, give me information that would help me deal with the dream state imagery, because that was really powerful, whatever it was.

ELIAS: Very well. I shall offer my expression of energy to you subjectively in a manner in which you may translate subsequently in relation to your dream imagery and your movement and interaction within the dream state.

Now; let us together examine what you are creating. In this, may you identify to myself your alignment with the value of difficulty? (Pause)

DARYL: You mean, do I think that if something's difficult that it's more valuable?

ELIAS: Correct.

DARYL: (Chuckles) I would say I subscribe to that in some cases. Also, I think I enjoy difficulty - to some degree.

ELIAS: Yes. Now; allow yourself to view what you have been creating. Allow yourself to recognize and examine in your creations how you have identified that you have allowed yourself a time framework that you describe to be a type of vacation, so to speak. You have allowed yourself a respite, in a manner of speaking, in which you have offered to yourself an expression of freedom and comfort and ease, and subsequent to that time framework of ease and comfort and freedom, you have created an expression of constriction in extreme.

DARYL: Yes, 'cause it was more extreme than normal.

ELIAS: Correct, which you continue in this present now.

Now; let me express to you my suggestion that you allow yourself to be examining this movement that you create, for in this you have consistently created a battle, so to speak. You are consistently moving in addressing to your fear issue. You are consistently widening your awareness and offering yourself information, but you are also consistently accomplishing this action in struggle, for you align with a belief that suggests to you that movement is not accomplished in ease - that if you are creating struggle and discomfort within your movement it shall be, within your perception, more valuable.

To this point, I have not addressed to this aspect of your beliefs, for it has been, to this point, more efficient to allow that movement to continue as you have challenged yourself with certain aspects of your movement, and in this the aspect of the belief that you need be accomplishing in difficulty and struggle has been expressed in less importance than addressing to other issues that you have been perpetuating for much of your focus. But we have engaged conversation and exploration together in what you may term to be extensiveness thus far, and in this you have allowed yourself to identify fear issues and behaviors and expressions that you create within your reality which create obstacles in your movement. Therefore, you have become familiar with certain expressions within your reality that you may be turning your attention to to offer yourself more choices and more of an expression of freedom.

Now we may move in the direction of addressing to the beliefs that you align with which dictate automatic responses to you in relation to the value of struggle and difficulty. For you allow yourself brief time frameworks in which you shall create your respites, but you also translate that you create movement, and thusly as you create movement or open any window to wider awareness you shall accompany that movement with constriction and struggle and difficulty, for it shall not be accomplished within your perception if it is not expressed in this manner. I may express to you that this is, in actuality, unnecessary.

Therefore, what you present to yourself in this particular experience recently is an extreme in uncomfortableness and constriction to allow yourself the experience and also to allow yourself the opportunity to address to the beliefs that are dictating to you the automatic responses that this is the manner in which it is necessary to be accomplishing your movement.

This is the new challenge that you present yourself with, to allow yourself to be examining and addressing to the manner in which you create your movement. Not that this manner or method is bad, for you may continue to choose to be creating your movement incorporating this method of constriction and struggle and difficulty. But in this present now and to this point, this is an automatic response. You are not offering yourself an allowance of choices that you view and that you may objectively allow movement within. You are not offering yourself the recognition of objective choices concerning your movement; you are continuing to engage automatic responses, not recognizing objectively that you do incorporate other choices.

This is the point, my friend. It matters not what you choose or how you choose to be engaging any type of movement. The choice in itself is unimportant; the recognition that you incorporate more than one choice is what holds significance and offers you the freedom. This is not to say that offering yourself the recognition of choice that you may be addressing to issues and movement in a manner that may appear objectively to be easier or less constricting than what you are choosing may be better, for it may not be. It matters not. What holds significance is that you are not allowing yourself to view other choices or that you incorporate other choices, for you have aligned very strongly with the belief that struggle and difficulty creates value.

DARYL: And to me I guess, too, creates movement, because I was very well aware while I had those two periods of quiet or whatever that I was afraid I wasn't moving.

ELIAS: But you are.

DARYL: But see, I can't tell.

ELIAS: For...

DARYL: I don't have any way to tell that I'm moving.

ELIAS: Ah, but you do! You merely believe that you hold no recognition of your movement.

DARYL: I get into this thing where I'm afraid that I'm slacking off and not dealing with my fear...

ELIAS: Quite.

DARYL: ...running away from it instead.

ELIAS: Quite, and this is an aspect of your belief that movement is associated with struggle and difficulty, and this is what YOU assess as valuable.

DARYL: I guess I would say productive, too.

ELIAS: Correct. In this, you have created an extreme.

DARYL: I sure did - I just whapped back and forth.

ELIAS: Correct, to offer yourself the experience and draw to your attention that you are creating this association with value in association with difficulty and struggle.

You may, in actuality, continue to choose to be creating struggle and difficulty in relation to your movement, but the point is to be recognizing that you are CHOOSING that objectively, in recognition that you do hold many choices, rather than creating the automatic response which expresses to you that you do not hold other choices.

Your method, in actuality, is not the point and matters not. What holds significance is that you allow yourself the recognition that you do incorporate choice and that you may engage many different choices objectively and that they shall all move efficiently regardless of what method it is that you choose. For although you do not allow yourself the objective recognition or identification of your movement within these time frameworks of respite, you are continuing to be creating your value fulfillment and your movement.

DARYL: So, in terms of movement itself there's no advantage to creating the struggle [and] constriction.

ELIAS: No.

DARYL: I don't move faster or anything.

ELIAS: No. This is merely a choice - but it is a choice in automatic response.

No, you do not move more swiftly or offer yourself more information or generate more efficiency in struggle or a lack of struggle. You shall generate the same movement at what you term to be the same rate, so to speak, whether you generate struggle or whether you do not generate struggle. It is merely that the struggle is much more familiar, and you have aligned with a belief that suggests to your perception that there is tremendous value in generating struggle and that there is no productivity or value in generating ease.

One is not better than the other. They are essentially the same; they are merely choices. This is the reason that I express to you, it matters not. You may continue to be generating struggle and difficulty in association with your movement, for this obviously suggests and allows you to view what your movement is. (Deliberately) But this is not your only choice.

DARYL: You know, now that I look back on it, when I was feeling changes within me last week, I was doing that in ease and feeling the vulnerability, and I could feel movement.

ELIAS: Yes. But you move once again into the allowance of the automatic response. This is the point of what we may be exploring in this conversation, your allowance of yourself to recognize that you are creating automatic responses, which limits your choices tremendously.

DARYL: Actually, with the breathing, that's perfect imagery of that too, because when it gets that severe my movement and everything becomes really restricted.

ELIAS: Correct.

DARYL: 'Cause when it gets that extreme, it really ... wow.

ELIAS: Correct, and this is the reason that you have presented this to yourself in extreme, to offer yourself the opportunity to view the strength of this belief that you hold in association with value.

Now, my friend, in moving further into this imagery, allow yourself to view how this particular imagery permeates much of your associations within your focus. If you are creating difficulty in interaction with another individual, you assign more value.

DARYL: Yes, that's true.

ELIAS: If you are engaging another individual and you assess your interaction to be too easy, you view that interaction to be discounting of yourself. For in the ease, your automatic association is that the other individual does not value you enough. (Daryl sighs)

Ah, now we begin movement into the core beliefs. (Daryl chuckles) Ha ha ha!

DARYL: Kind of embarrassing in there. That's all accurate, what you just said.

ELIAS: And why shall you express embarrassment? These are merely expressions of automatic responses, associations that you have created within your focus in relation to beliefs that are expressed en masse.

DARYL: Yes ... 'cause I know I like challenging things and intense things, but that doesn't mean they have to be difficult.

ELIAS: This is correct, my friend.

DARYL: But I have them all glommed together somehow.

ELIAS: You may be continuously challenging within yourself and in your movement, and not expressing discounting of yourself.

DARYL: Well, that certainly gives me some stuff to explore. (Elias chuckles) Boy.

You know, what I'm most interested in is the movement itself. I think one of the things with that, too, is I used to feel the subjective movement, and I would interpret that as that I was actually moving and making progress, and then when I found out about soft [orientation] and how it's just something that I present myself with continuously, I stopped thinking of that as a good indication of movement. Do you know what I mean? Because I do feel stuff happening in the subjective.

ELIAS: Correct.

DARYL: But then I started going, "Well, that's just me doing my daily everyday life. It doesn't mean that I'm moving towards what I want."

ELIAS: Ah, but you are.

DARYL: So I could just go back to feeling that and ... well, I feel it still. I'm just interpreting it differently.

ELIAS: Quite. You are creating a different translation, for you have aligned quite strongly with the belief concerning struggle and difficulty and its expression of value.

DARYL: I guess I'll go on to the next thing I wanted to ask you about. Now, in light of our last discussion ... this was interesting to me, because I had a dream state experience and I had a lot of objective awareness but I didn't have trouble breathing before or after. That's the only time I've done that, so I did that with ease instead of doing all the other stuff.

Anyway, the experience was that I was kind of hovering outside of I don't know if you'd call them probabilities or choices, and I saw a reality where I do have a relationship with that person we've previously discussed. It was clear to me that that was just as real as my reality but that my attention wasn't there, it was here. Is that all correct?

ELIAS: Correct.

DARYL: And was that you that was there with me?

ELIAS: Correct.

DARYL: The other thing that was really clear to me was that I DO generate all my choices, and they come from me and they don't involve what the other person is generating.

ELIAS: You are correct.

DARYL: I knew that really strongly although it came as a surprise to me, because I remember going, "Oh my god, Elias is right. He's telling the truth about this!" (Elias laughs)

What essentially happened after that is I felt I'd been trying to move my attention toward that choice and not been successful, so I felt kind of discouraged. I also felt kind of freaked out by the power implied in all of it, so I ran back to the familiar as fast as I could and stayed there for a while. (Elias smiles and nods)

One of the things that I was playing with later is that I feel like I now know where that choice is within me, and when I think of it, it seems to be within me and within my attention instead of what used to happen, where I would think about that and it would kind of automatically project my attention to the other person.

ELIAS: Quite.

DARYL: So if I do want to have a relationship with that person, should I more or less put my attention on that probability or choice within myself, now that I can feel it being within me rather than outside?

ELIAS: Yes.

DARYL: And is that an effective way to create things?

ELIAS: Yes.

DARYL: Part of this that I'm curious about...

ELIAS: And shall I interject, in relation to what we have been discussing this day, allow yourself to recognize that you align with this belief of struggle and difficulty in association with THIS situation also.

DARYL: (Laughs) Oh boy, do I ever! Especially within relationships - I have it really strong in relationships.

ELIAS: Quite! That you shall produce a goal and that the goal as a final product or outcome shall be much more valuable if it is accomplished in tremendous difficulty and struggle.

DARYL: When it started happening before, it just sort of fell into my lap and I could feel that I was creating it.

ELIAS: Quite. You have offered yourself objective examples, my friend, of these two expressions.

DARYL: Boy. I'm going to be seeing my whole life in those terms for a while now, I can tell. (Elias laughs) 'Cause it really is a ... aaahhhhh.

Anyway, one of the things I'm curious about in terms of attention - and this has also to do with my attention and the yellow energy center - is you talk about attention in the moment and paying attention to something, but I also have the feeling that there are times where I kind of make a choice that I want to keep my attention somewhere, and then it kind of stays there even though the rest of me is doing other things. Do you know what I mean?

ELIAS: Yes.

DARYL: Now, is that attention that I'm kind of just keeping there ... even though it's not like a big effort or anything, it's just kind of sitting there as opposed to the attention I'm giving something when I'm in the moment and concentrating on it.

ELIAS: I am understanding of what you are expressing. Yes, I may express to you that you may incorporate moving your attention in more than one direction simultaneously, and in this, you may be in actuality holding your attention in the now in relation to what you are creating in different directions simultaneously.

I may express to you, Ashrah, you are never static. Therefore, I may also say to you that although it may appear to you that your attention may be held in one direction, not in movement, this is not in actuality the situation. For all is energy, and energy is continuously in movement.

DARYL: So I guess that's an area I want to play around with more.

ELIAS: Allow yourself to be recognizing and identifying the expression of your concentration. Not thoughts, for be remembering, your thought processes are not necessarily an indication of where you are holding your concentration in attention.

DARYL: I can think all I want, and it's not necessarily going to go there.

ELIAS: Correct, for...

DARYL: And I guess I'm curious about what makes the concentration of the attention then switch.

ELIAS: In actuality, it is not "switching," in your terms. Your concentration is not expressed in thoughts. This is not the mechanism of thought.

DARYL: Yes, but it moves, but I don't know how to...

ELIAS: Your attention is continuously focusing an aspect upon thought, for this is an integral aspect of the design of your physical reality.

This is an intricate mechanism that you have created within your physical reality to be translating information. It incorporates a specific function. Therefore, there is an aspect of your attention that is continuously directed to this mechanism of thought, for it is your translator. But many times you turn your attention more fully to the mechanism of thought to the exclusion of the information which is being offered that the thought is designed to interpret, and therefore you create confusion.

DARYL: I guess I'll understand this more and more as we go along, about what...

ELIAS: You are correct.

DARYL: ...what moves something. Because it's like I can try through will or thought or whatever to get my concentration or whatever to move, and it doesn't move. Then it moves, but I can't figure out how I'm getting it to move or what within me is choosing for it to move or...

ELIAS: Your desire.

DARYL: My desire?

ELIAS: Yes.

DARYL: Okay, that's a nice answer.

ELIAS: Your choice follows the direction of your desire. Your desire is the movement of your intent.

DARYL: So it's just going to automatically move towards where I want to go.

ELIAS: Correct.

DARYL: Well, that's nice.

ELIAS: And this is the expression that I have offered previously in saying to all of you, you shall not betray you. For this is the design that you have created within this physical reality, that you create an intent. Your desire follows your intent quite precisely, it motivates your choices, and you move in alignment with your intent continuously, which is your direction.

In this, your thought processes are designed within your reality as a mechanism to objectively interpret and translate the language of these movements. But in turning your attention strongly to your thought processes, you have created a different association with them, and in this, your attention associates so very strongly with your thought processes that they become gospel. (Daryl chuckles)

In this, you turn your trust not to your communications, not to your choices and how you create your reality and your abilities, but you turn your trust to the mechanism of translation, and you assess that this mechanism is what should be or shall be creating your direction that you shall follow, and it is not. You are misinterpreting its function, and this creates tremendous confusion and response through an actual avenue of communication which is emotion, and you experience frustration, anger, disappointment, sadness.

For you have confused yourselves in misinterpreting the function of thought and turning your attention in extreme to this function, with the expectation that it shall express to you what you want and the nature of your direction. It shall, in its natural function, objectively translate and identify that information to you, but not in reliance of your attention for it to be creating your direction and choices. This is not its function. Its function is to interpret and translate, not to create the direction and choices.

Look to your creation of the ideal, my friend, of your governments, in which you create a system that you term to be checks and balances, do you not?

DARYL: Yes.

ELIAS: In this, the position that appears to express the greatest power expresses the least, correct?

DARYL: Yes.

ELIAS: For without the input and action of the other branches, so to speak, the one that is expressed in your identification of the head does not incorporate the choice, correct?

DARYL: Right.

ELIAS: In similar manner, quite efficiently in imagery, you associate thought with the head, but it does not generate the power or the choice; it TRANSLATES the power and the choices.

DARYL: Well, that's certainly a different thing than generating it.

ELIAS: Quite.

DARYL: I have a couple more things I want to ask you about. Boy, my mind is just whirring with all this stuff! (Daryl and Elias laugh) I've got stuff to think about now!

ELIAS: Quite! Ha ha! You have expressed a desire for challenge, and so you have been offered.

DARYL: I saw a movie the other day that was about Chopin and George Sand. I don't know anything about them. I felt pretty emotional about them in the movie, and I wondered if I have some kind of connection with them. When I think about something like that and try and get information myself ... so far I've been struggling with it!

ELIAS: Investigate George.

DARYL: Hmm?

ELIAS: Investigate George.

DARYL: George? Okay - but you're not saying one way or the other. (Elias chuckles)

ELIAS: I am offering you a clue.

DARYL: 'Cause I know I was also drawn to her because she was so unconventional and free, and I thought that was pretty delightful.

ELIAS: Investigate this individual and allow yourself to flow with your impressions, for you may allow yourself the directedness in the exploration of this individual.

DARYL: I have a friend that I would like to get her information, her essence name, family, alignment and orientation. Her name is Linda. (Pause)

ELIAS: Essence name, Gauge, G-A-U-G-E (GAHJ). And your impression?

DARYL: For what, family?

ELIAS: Yes.

DARYL: I was wondering if she was Milumet.

ELIAS: In alignment.

DARYL: I don't have much of an impression. I don't know her very well.

ELIAS: Essence family, Sumari.

DARYL: Sumari, okay. However, I have wondered if her orientation might be intermediate.

ELIAS: Correct.

DARYL: She is - all right! There's not a lot of them around to interact with! (Elias laughs) Now, is she emotionally focused?

ELIAS: Yes.

DARYL: I tend to get confused when someone's really involved with nature, which she is, about what's coming from where. Well, that's good! I did catch on to some of it. (Elias laughs) I wish people would come with little somethings that would pop up and tell you...

ELIAS: Ah!

DARYL: But they haven't developed that. (Elias laughs)

One last little thing: I talked to you in my first session about money, and basically my understanding is that it's within my intent to remain free to work on the shift. I have noticed though that in the past year my investments have done really badly, and I also noticed that the time frame corresponded pretty much exactly to when I started dealing with the fear in the dream state. I wonder, am I doing something with money that's an expression of fear?

ELIAS: Yes - and struggle, and difficulty.

DARYL: Uh huh! (Elias laughs) Well, it's not like I'm even struggling in that area. It's just like I'm anticipating what might happen.

ELIAS: Quite! And I may express to you, my friend, THIS is the nature of your concentration. Therefore be remembering, what you concentrate upon is what you generate.

DARYL: I know. That's one reason I thought I should ask you about it.

ELIAS: And as you create expressions in one direction of your focus, generally you also create those expressions in relation to many other or all other areas of your focus.

DARYL: You'd think it would be pretty easy to catch on to what we're doing then! (Daryl and Elias laugh)

ELIAS: Quite! You offer yourselves quite an abundance of imagery to be suggestive to you of precisely what you are creating! (Chuckles)

DARYL: Well, our time is up, pretty much. This has been really helpful. It gives me a lot of areas to investigate, and now I can do so without so much struggle, hopefully.

ELIAS: Aha!

DARYL: (Humorously) I've explored this choice of struggle a fair amount, and I think it's only fair to investigate some other areas!

ELIAS: Quite! Offer yourself the opportunity for new adventures. Ha ha ha ha!

Very well, my friend. I may express to you quite an enjoyment in our interaction. I shall continue to offer my expression of energy subjectively, as I have expressed, and I offer to you tremendous encouragement in your engagement of your new adventure and investigation. Ha ha ha! To you in tremendous affection, as always my friend, au revoir.

DARYL: Au revoir.

Elias departs at 5:57 PM.

(1) Daryl's note: This dream experience was one of the most affecting experiences I've ever had. It made the concept that we create all of our choices much more real to me. I also really felt that I had that relationship choice already, that that experience was already mine; and partly due to that I decided to choose something else. I am quite happy I chose otherwise. And I still have that other experience not expressed in this reality; I recently had a dream where the relationship still exists and we were moving into a new house together.

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