Friday, April 6, 2001 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Sherry (Seale)
Elias arrives at 1:16 PM. (Arrival time is 17 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning!

SHERRY: Good morning, Elias!

ELIAS: (Chuckling) How shall we proceed, my friend?

SHERRY: Well, first I want to ask you something. I want to co-create something with you. Mary said that she has had trouble coming in because of so much energy, so I told her I would talk to you so that we can co-create a smooth entry, after we're done. 'Cause my energy is just bouncing off the walls, I can feel it! (Elias laughs) It's nice to talk to you, but I don't want to have her impacted in not a good way.

ELIAS: Ha ha! I may express to you my friend that you need not incorporate concern or personal responsibility for Michael in this situation. Michael holds the ability to be adjusting his energy in this exchange, and you may proceed in whichever manner you choose. (Chuckling)

SHERRY: Oh, good! I've got lots of questions, as always! (Elias laughs) A few of these are just going to be real short and quick, and then I can get into the main stuff. Am I a final focus?

ELIAS: And your impression?

SHERRY: I am, because I have the openness, the restlessness, and the seriousness.

ELIAS: Ah! And I may express to you, you are correct.

SHERRY: Oh, cool! And then ... oh, I'd better not ask that yet. How many ... I don't know, there's something I'm reading about your energy, and I'm kind of wondering what that's about, because I'm wondering how many focuses have you and I had, and how many times have we been together?

ELIAS: I may express to you my friend, in your common vernacular and associations within this physical dimension, as you are aware, you may assess yourself, relatively speaking, to be a new soul in your terms, for you do not incorporate tremendous numbering of focuses of attention in this physical dimension, as you are aware.

In this, I may express to you that you have participated in two focuses with myself.

SHERRY: On this plane?

ELIAS: In this physical dimension.

SHERRY: If I'm a new soul, how come this is my final focus?

ELIAS: This matters not, my friend. It is the choice of each essence as to how they shall be participating in this physical dimension and how many attentions they may be focusing in physical manifestations.

I may express to you that your essence chooses to be focusing what you may term to be relatively few attentions or manifestations in this particular physical dimension. You may be recognizing that I have offered an identification of few more than 100 focuses of your essence in this physical dimension. This is relatively few manifestations in any physical dimension.

I may express to you that the designation of a final focus is the identification of a position, so to speak, an action which shall be incorporated or initiated by that particular focus. It is not an identification of time.

SHERRY: Oh, that's about as clear as mud! (Laughs)

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha! What I am expressing to you is, you may be the designated final focus and this is merely an identification of an action that your focus shall initiate; that in the time framework in which you choose to be disengaging of this physical dimension, all other focuses of your essence shall also disengage or choose to be fragmenting and creating a new essence and continuing within this physical dimension. But this is not defined by time. You may incorporate future focuses which shall also disengage in the time framework which you choose to be disengaging.

In the moment that you choose disengagement as the final focus, figuratively speaking, you create a signal to all other focuses of your essence that the essence is removing attention from this physical dimension.

SHERRY: Okay, that makes more sense to me, I think. I'm sure it'll run deeper as I listen to the tape. (Elias chuckles) I always need that to get deeper and deeper.

So, we've been together two focuses. If we've only been together two times, how come I didn't realize that? That's interesting. Can you define "new soul" and "old soul"? Lots of people say I'm an old soul, you know what I mean? I don't remember the definition of new and old - but in the short version! (Laughs)

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! I may express to you that you create associations in relation to these terms within your physical dimension. In this, an individual that may be identified as what you term to be an old soul incorporates many, many manifestations in this physical dimension, [and] therefore may be recognized in terms of incorporating a thousand, or thousands, of manifestations, focuses of attention, in this particular physical dimension. An individual...

SHERRY: I think they say that it's because I have such a different picture of what reality is; but I think it's closer to reality with less distortion than most people have, and that's why I believe they call me an old soul.

ELIAS: I shall express to you that you do not necessarily incorporate a tremendous distinguishable lack of distortion in relation to other individuals in their reality, but that you allow yourself an openness and an objective understanding of information within your expression, and other individuals hold a recognition of this and at times may associate that with what they may term to be the wisdom of an old soul.

Now; let me clarify with you. An individual that may be recognized as an old soul does not necessarily incorporate more of an expression of wisdom than an individual that may be characterized as a new soul.

SHERRY: Okay, that makes sense. Jumping around here a little bit, am I emotional? Do I process things emotionally?

ELIAS: Yes.

SHERRY: Okay, I got that right. Let's see, you know the voices I've always heard? I heard these better when I was younger. Have I always been talking to the Dream Walkers since I've been on this plane? Are those the voices I've been listening to?

ELIAS: Not necessarily. I may express to you that you have incorporated an action of allowing yourself to be listening to other aspects of your essence.

SHERRY: Then how do you know ... so, I don't hear the Dream Walkers at all?

ELIAS: I may express to you that you have allowed yourself an experience in which you incorporated an openness to that energy. But as to what you are identifying in the expression of these communications and these voices, so to speak, this is not an interaction between yourself and what may be identified as the Dream Walkers.

SHERRY: Okay, so you're saying that the voices I'm hearing are other aspects of my essence, or other focuses or something?

ELIAS: Other aspects of your essence, not necessarily other focuses in this physical dimension.

SHERRY: What's the definition of aspects?

ELIAS: This may be defined as ANY expression of your essence, any attention of your essence, which may be directed in any layer of consciousness or any area of consciousness, so to speak. It may be another focus, it may be another aspect of this particular focus, it may be an expression of an aspect of your essence which the attention is held in other dimensions physically or in nonphysical areas of consciousness. What you allow yourself is an openness to the vastness of essence.

SHERRY: So are you saying that I've never been in communication with a Dream Walker?

ELIAS: In the terms that you are describing, no.

SHERRY: How do I do that? Because is that not something I'm capable of doing, being of the Tumold family?

ELIAS: You do hold an ability to be creating this type of interaction, but I may express to you that you do not necessarily, or have not to this point within your time framework in this focus, created an actual desire to be incorporating that action. For there is not a motivation in your particular focus presently, in relation to what you create and your direction of attention in this focus, to be interactive in that manner.

SHERRY: Well, I'm beginning to get a desire.

ELIAS: If you are so choosing, you may be creating this type of interaction. Shall I express an inquiry to you? What is your perception in relation to the motivation of this objective desire to be incorporating this action?
SHERRY: Well, I can know the truth, how it works or how it feels without distortion. I like to know the real truth; you know what I mean, reality with no distortion, that's what I've always looked for. I mean, I spend a lot of time running around in so much illusion that I would like to just ... and advance that knowledge, put it out there for people so that they can really stay out of the distortions, if they so choose.

ELIAS: Ah! (Chuckles)

SHERRY: Oh no!

ELIAS: I may express to you, my friend...

SHERRY: Not about fixing again! (Laughs)

ELIAS: (Chuckles) First of all, you do not incorporate a job to be enlightening the world. I may also express to you, what is the identification of truth?

I may express to you, interaction with these essences that may be identified as the Dream Walkers shall not provide you with the truth that you seek. For within consciousness, that which may be identified as truth are the qualities of consciousness that are translatable in every aspect of consciousness, and are not relative to certain expressions or areas of consciousness.

Therefore, what truth do you seek - the truth concerning your physical dimension, and information in relation to your physical dimension without the incorporation of belief systems? I may offer to you my friend, the pursuit of this avenue may be disappointing to you. For that which is held as truth in consciousness, in a manner of speaking, appears to you within this physical dimension to be meaningless.

SHERRY: Exactly.

ELIAS: That which you hold as valuable and meaningful in this physical dimension is expressions influenced and filtered through your beliefs, for your beliefs are an expression of the design, the blueprint, of this particular physical dimension. Therefore, that which may be incorporated entirely undistorted in this physical dimension shall hold little value to you, or significance.

SHERRY: Then, I don't really even know ... I mean, I was just trying to understand more about myself. I have these abilities and I can't even use them, so that's what I'm trying to ... I've run around in circles because of the illusion, discounting the parts that I was using in the best way for me. I'm just trying to use my time left wisely ... I know, judgments.

ELIAS: Ah!

SHERRY: I don't like running down paths and having to turn around and do something over because it has been futile or disappointing or whatever. I've been in enough of that. I don't want to do that anymore!

ELIAS: And my suggestion to you my friend, once again, is to be turning your attention, genuinely, to self.

SHERRY: But I don't even know how to do that! I don't know what that entails, exactly.

ELIAS: You may begin, presently, in allowing yourself to be paying attention to what you are expressing, what you are creating, what you manifest in behavior, and holding your attention in this manner and not distracting yourself by turning your attention outside of yourself.

In your desire objectively to be interactive with Dream Walkers, you are merely expressing another avenue of looking outside of yourself to be providing yourself with your direction. You are already creating your direction. You have been creating your direction from the onset of your manifestation in this physical focus.

SHERRY: Well, right, and people react to it like really big time.

ELIAS: Now; you question, how may you be creating your reality in a knowing manner? How may you be understanding and recognizing what you are creating within your particular individual focus? How may you be holding your attention upon self?

You may begin in what you have expressed presently. You may recognize this expression, "other individuals are reacting to myself." Very well. What are you creating that draws that expression to you, that creates that reaction?

SHERRY: My understanding is the fact that when I believe in something wholeheartedly, then I do it, and I don't let what other people think ... manipulation or whatever doesn't work on me, and I'm not doing what the masses are doing. So, there's that difference, I know.

ELIAS: And what is YOUR association with the difference? What is your expression within yourself concerning this difference? What is your motivation in this difference? You express to me, other individuals react to your expression. You also express, in inference, that you are creating your choices; it matters not what other individuals create or how they perceive you, you shall create what you choose, not in alignment with other individuals.

Now; I am not expressing to you that you should, or may, discontinue this type of movement. What I AM expressing to you is that in holding your attention upon self and examining your motivation and your expression, you may also genuinely allow yourself to view what you are creating and therefore what you create in reaction of other individuals, for you shall allow yourself the identification of what you are GENUINELY expressing and GENUINELY creating in behavior. What is the motivation?

I may express to you quite genuinely in this present now, my friend, that I incorporate a recognition of what you have expressed in a different manner than you have expressed it. For shall you not also allow yourself the recognition of the expression of judgment that you create in this direction of movement?

You view your expressions as more enlightened. You view your expressions as not as influenced by mass beliefs as other individuals, and you create a projection of energy which expresses a judgment in relation to other individuals; and therefore you also reflect that judgment back to yourself, in your terms, through the response of other individuals.

SHERRY: So how do I change that?

ELIAS: By paying attention to you, and genuinely examining your motivation in your expressions, genuinely becoming familiar with you, with your beliefs, with your associations, with your expressions and behaviors. What do you express to other individuals? HOW do you express to other individuals? What are the associations that you hold within yourself?

Examine your own beliefs. Do not concern yourself with the beliefs and the choices of other individuals. Concern yourself with YOUR expressions, your beliefs, and how you influence your perception in relation to those beliefs and associations.

Shall we incorporate an example this day?

SHERRY: Oh, yes! That's exactly what I was going to ask you. Because it all sounds like words to me, and I need something concrete so I can see.

ELIAS: Very well. What is your association with religious beliefs expressed by other individuals?

SHERRY: What is my association?

ELIAS: Yes.

SHERRY: I accept that their beliefs are their beliefs.

ELIAS: But?

SHERRY: But I don't agree with what the mass usually says about religion.

ELIAS: Therefore?

SHERRY: Therefore, what?

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! Precisely!

SHERRY: Therefore they can talk about what they believe and that's fine with me, but I ... you know what I mean?

ELIAS: I am QUITE aware of your meaning!

SHERRY: Oh-oh!

ELIAS: I may also express to you that objectively you are not quite aware of what you are expressing.

Now; another individual may present themselves to you and shall we express that they engage conversation with you, expressing their religious beliefs in association with Christianity or Buddhism. And you shall incorporate conversation with the individual, but inwardly what is your association? What are you expressing inwardly - not merely that you do not agree.

SHERRY: Oh, you mean like they're there, in that aspect of learning?

ELIAS: Correct.

SHERRY: I've already come from that place.

ELIAS: Correct! And therefore, in your physical terms, you elevate yourself and distinguish yourself as different from these individuals, and you express inwardly that you are knowing of greater enlightenment than these individuals, therefore expressing a greater incorporation of genuine spirituality. I may express to you my friend, QUITE bluntly: blah, blah, blah!

SHERRY: (Laughing) Well, how do I change that? I don't believe that, so what am I supposed to say?

ELIAS: Ah!

SHERRY: How do I say, "I do believe that we're equals, though"? I just believe we have different views about it. It's like education. I'm not at kindergarten level, I'm at first grade; but that doesn't mean that I think less of the actual people, because I don't.

ELIAS: Ah! But you do create a distinction. And in this, how you may be altering your perception and thusly altering your expression and incorporating a GENUINE expression of acceptance of yourself and of other individuals is to be allowing yourself to move beyond the difference, and allowing yourself to open to your periphery and recognize the similarities in your directions, in your expressions, in your communications.

SHERRY: I don't understand how I'm not, because I don't treat people as if they're less than. You know what I mean? Just because you have differences doesn't mean they're less than you.

ELIAS: I am understanding of what you are expressing, but I am also expressing to you that in actuality this is semantics. For in actuality, you do incorporate a belief which is influencing of your perception, and therefore also influencing of your expressions and interactions, that individuals incorporate different levels.

SHERRY: But don't they?

ELIAS: No. There are no levels.

SHERRY: Oh, brother! Then how do you define even going to school?

ELIAS: (Firmly) You are NOT learning; you are NOT growing.

SHERRY: Oh, I see. We're experiencing...

ELIAS: Yes!

SHERRY: ...and so there are no levels in experiencing.

ELIAS: Correct. There are different avenues of expression and exploration, but there are no levels! You are not "attaining to." You are all creating the same action of exploring a physical dimension and the experiences and manifestations that are incorporated in that physical dimension and the exploration of it.

What you are creating is a physical action of becoming, which is the action of consciousness in its entirety in ALL of its expressions, and that action of becoming is a continuous movement of exploration, expansion, awareness. You are not learning; you are not teaching; you are not growing. You are not moving or attaining to higher levels. And in this, the expression and the influence of that belief of movement in levels creates an automatic expression in relation to your perception, which automatically expresses judgment.

It continually expresses a judgment in relation to yourself, in which you continuously are aspiring to be better. It creates an automatic judgment in relation to other individuals, some in which you view to be better than yourself or more enlightened than yourself, incorporating a higher level than yourself, some that you evaluate to be occupying a lower level than yourself. But ALL of the expression incorporates judgment!

Now; this is the manner in which you shall allow yourself to move into genuine acceptance, in becoming familiar with you by inquiring of yourself what are my associations, what is my motivation in my expression, what am I communicating to myself in my experience in the moment, what am I creating - not what is the other individual creating, what is their choice, what is their expression - but holding your attention upon self; and as you present yourself with each experience, what is your response, and what motivates that response, allowing yourself to become more and more intimately aware of you, and therefore allowing yourself greater and greater expressions of freedom.

For as you become more intimately aware of yourself, of your automatic responses, of your beliefs, of your associations, of your motivations, you also offer yourself greater creativity, greater acceptance, and greater opportunity to be incorporating more choices; and your movement becomes expressed in greater ease. Your interactions with other individuals incorporate less and less and less conflict and greater ease, for you incorporate a genuine expression of acceptance.

Acceptance is not expressed in viewing another individual and expressing to yourself, "Ah, this is the other individual's belief. This is acceptable to myself. I disagree with their belief, but they are entitled to their belief." This is not an expression of acceptance! This is an expression of judgment. For as you automatically associate if you are in disagreement with another individual, you create an automatic expression of judgment, for you have not allowed yourself, yet, an intimate recognition of your own beliefs and your own associations and your own expressions and motivations.

Now; this is not to say that you need be incorporating agreement with every other individual or every scenario within your physical focus. In many expressions, you may be in disagreement; but you may be in disagreement and also not incorporating judgment, for you recognize the similarity in the difference, and you recognize the choice of yourself and of the other individual. You recognize the reflection.

Let me express to you my friend, each time you are creating an association that another individual is incorporating a different level of awareness than yourself and incorporating that judgment, what you are expressing is the judgment to yourself and discounting of yourself.

Objectively, you create a thought process in which you think you are validating yourself and your awareness. In actuality, what you are creating is a judgment upon yourself that you have not attained "good enough" yet. You continue to incorporate your path to be attaining these levels of awareness, and your path continues to lead you, so to speak, to disappointment, for this is not the point. You are not aspiring to any expression; you are merely exploring. Therefore, you may discontinue the tremendous expression of expectation that you hold in relation to yourself.

SHERRY: What I'm hearing you say is if I can accept that I'm just exploring and there are no levels, then I will project that out.

ELIAS: Correct, and you shall create much more of an ease in your movement and your energy. You may allow yourself to relax.

Let me express to you an inquiry, my friend. What do you incorporate in your physical experiences presently within your focus? A tension, a hurriedness, a swiftness of movement in which you express to yourself that you cannot keep up - am I correct?

SHERRY: Yes. It's like, I'm creating too fast - how do I slow it down? I actually said that to Mary.

ELIAS: Ah! Now; allow yourself to examine the mechanism of what you create in your reality.

What you are creating is a tremendous force of expectation upon yourself, and this creates an expression of tension, and you create this perception that you cannot keep up with yourself, you cannot keep up with your creations, your movement is too swift; and what do you express to yourself - a discounting of yourself. And you reinforce and reinforce this movement, and you continue to perpetuate this perception that your reality is moving too quickly and you do not hold the ability adequately to be in harmony with that, and that perpetuates the tension.

Now; in allowing yourself to hold your attention upon self, to be paying attention to your beliefs, to your associations, to your motivations, and recognizing that you are not incorporating a race, you are not aspiring to greater levels within your awareness but that you are exploring and creating your own unique adventure in that exploration, you shall begin to relax the expression of your energy. You shall relax that tension, and in relaxing that energy, you may begin recognizing that all that you view to be in movement so quickly shall begin to relax also, and you shall begin to incorporate the calm. What you are creating presently and have been for a time framework is a tornado in your energy!

SHERRY: (Laughing) Really, I feel that! (Elias laughs) But in some ways there is a peacefulness in me, recognizing also more of what I want and doing more of what I want, in terms of work...

ELIAS: Correct.

SHERRY: ...in that I'm able to create it, thanks to you and what you've said, and what I have been able to understand about what you've said.

ELIAS: I am understanding, and I am acknowledging of you in your assimilation of that. Allow yourself the recognition that the tornado is not what may be termed as negative, it is merely familiar. This is a familiar movement of your energy.

But you also are incorporating a greater understanding objectively, in a manner of speaking, of how you create your reality, and that you do hold the ability to create precisely what you want, and therefore you are offering yourself permission to be expressing those abilities in your creation. Now you may become more familiar in intimacy with yourself, and recognize that it is not necessary for you to be incorporating this tension and the familiar expression of the tornado. You may be creating what you want to be creating, without the conflict of the whirlwind.

SHERRY: Well, that'd be nice. (Elias chuckles)

I have one more question, because we're almost out of time. Can you tell me, or share with me, the physical steps that happened to me ... I just need to get this figured out so I can move on, and it's been driving me crazy. I believe my mother did all the violence on my head - I mean, hit me. She blamed my brother all these years. Is that correct, or no?

ELIAS: What is your impression, first of all?
SHERRY: That my mother did it, because when I realized there was something - I'd comb my hair differently, and there were all the scars - I just accepted that my mother said my brother did it. Then somewhere along the line it was like, heck no! My brother was a wimp; he never did that kind of stuff. So then I thought back, it was my mother who was always hitting me, and so then I thought it must be her.

ELIAS: (Chuckling) I may offer to you a validation of your impression.

SHERRY: What about the sexual abuse thing? Am I wrong about that? Because I feel like I was, and yet I don't know by whom.

ELIAS: I may express to you my friend, you are offering yourself information concerning what you have incorporated within your focus, and I am validating of that. I may also express to you that you are presenting these explorations of these aspects of your focus to yourself purposefully, quite in relation to what we have been discussing this day, to allow yourself a genuine recognition that YOU choose and that you create your reality. It is not inflicted upon you.

SHERRY: Okay ... so who did I choose to allow that to happen with? I'm still working on that.

ELIAS: And you may be continuing in your exploration of this subject matter. Let me express to you, in genuineness, it matters not. This is an expression of psychological beliefs, that you need be attaching an identification of a particular individual and therefore you may affix blame, and you may move into an expression of forgiveness. These are psychological beliefs.

I may express to you, there is no expression to be forgiven, for the expression of forgiveness implies wrongdoing, or that you have been victimized.

SHERRY: Well, right, but that's what I'm saying. I understand on an intellectual level that's not true, but I also understand that I react to things, and that's why I need to know by whom, because that will help give me understanding of why I'm doing what I'm doing!

ELIAS: (Gently) I may express to you once again, my friend, what shall give you the recognition of what you are doing, in your terms, and why, shall be expressed in allowing yourself to become more familiar with you. It is not an expression of the reverse. You are viewing in the reverse. You are turning your attention outwardly in the attempt to be offering yourself information concerning your movement, which shall be accessed inwardly.

SHERRY: I will go back to the drawing board and work on that. (Elias chuckles) But no, seriously, we'd better go. Thank you very, very much for what you gave me today, because I feel like I really needed this understanding.

ELIAS: I express tremendous encouragement to you. I also express to you, Seale, a genuine affection and an offering of my energy to you in helpfulness in your challenge presently to become more intimately familiar with you. Shall you be accepting?

SHERRY: Oh, I will be! Thank you very much.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome, my friend. To you this day, in great lovingness, au revoir.

SHERRY: Bye.

Elias departs at 2:21 PM.

(1) Briefly, "...Dream Walkers were the initiators of the physical world that you basically understand presently. They phased in and out of physical manifestation, experimenting with all of your elements of physical life." Session 72, February 18, 1996. For more information, go to www.eliasforum.org/digests/Dream_Walkers.html

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