Thursday, April 5, 2001 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and a new participant, KC (Nanaiis)
Elias arrives at 12:28 PM. (Arrival time is 25 seconds.)

ELIAS: Greetings!

KC: Hello, Elias!

ELIAS: Ha ha! (KC laughs) Welcome!

KC: My name is KC and I live in Kentucky, and I decided to call you because I have a tree situation that I would like to talk about last.

But first, if it's okay, I would like to ask you some essence names, just like everybody else does, and a couple of questions. Is that all right?
ELIAS: Very well.

KC: I'd like to know the essence name for my sister Mary Jo. (Pause)

ELIAS: Essence name, Eazon, E-A-Z-O-N (EE zon).

KC: Oh, that's very nice! And what is her family of consciousness and alignment?

ELIAS: Essence family, Sumari; alignment, Ilda.

KC: Oh my goodness! And her son, Brian?

ELIAS: Essence name, Darby, D-A-R-B-Y (DAR bee).

KC: And his family of consciousness?

ELIAS: Essence family, Tumold; alignment, Sumafi.

KC: I'm sorry, what was that one?

ELIAS: Sumafi.

KC: Sumafi. And my friend Charles, what is his essence name?

ELIAS: Essence name (12-second pause) ... I may express to you, in this present time framework there is fluctuation in this essence. I shall offer present essence name, but I may also express to you that there is a fragmentation in occurrence and therefore may be altering of the essence name futurely. Are you understanding?

KC: Yes.

ELIAS: Very well. Essence name presently in this time framework, Jerrica, J-E-R-R-I-C-A (JAIR ih kah).

KC: And his essence family, is that in fluctuation also? (Pause)

ELIAS: It may be dependent upon the choice of this focus of attention, in relation to the fragmentation.

Let me express to you, within an action of fragmentation of essences, at times, dependent upon the qualities and aspects of the essence which are being fragmented and the expressed qualities of a particular focus of attention in alignment with those qualities of essence, the focus may choose to be fragmented with the expression of the new essence, or it may choose to continue as a focus of attention of the original essence. Are you understanding?

KC: Yes, I think I understand it.

ELIAS: Therefore what I am expressing to you is, there is a potential in this choice to be fragmenting as an aspect of the new essence, although that choice has not been engaged yet. Therefore, the information is concerning the original essence, in a manner of speaking, not the new expression of the fragmented essence.

KC: All right, I understand that.

ELIAS: Essence family, Zuli...

KC: I'm not surprised.

ELIAS: ...alignment, Gramada.

KC: And you know, I would like to ask you about the essence name for my husband, David. (Pause)

ELIAS: Essence name, Flynn, F-L-Y-N-N (FLIN).

KC: And his essence family and alignment, also?

ELIAS: Essence family, Sumafi; alignment, Vold.

KC: And lastly, I would like to ask you what my essence name is, and my family and alignment.

ELIAS: Essence name, Nanaiis, N-A-N-A-I-I-S (nah na EES).

KC: Nanaiis ... and my essence family?

ELIAS: Essence family, Ilda; alignment, Sumafi.

KC: Thank you, Elias. That's really interesting!

I have a couple of questions about my sister, Mary Jo. We both have migraine headaches, and I've heard you talk to a lot of people about blocking energy. We would like to know if that is what is causing our headaches. (Pause)

ELIAS: Very well. I shall express to you, first of all, that you each hold a similar belief which is influencing of this physical affectingness but is not the only influencing expression of this physical creation.

First of all, you hold a belief similarly with each other in relation to physical expressions in conjunction with family, that as you express a manifestation within a family, you create an automatic association in your beliefs that you shall share certain expressions or creations in conjunction with your lineage and your genetic expression. Let me express to you clearly, this is in actuality a belief; for each individual manifesting in physical focus may be choosing to involve themselves in a family relationship and they may be choosing certain expressions of heritage or similarities in genetic design, but this is not a rule. Therefore, it is a choice that each individual may be creating differences within their physical genetic makeup. You each choose your design of your genetics.

Now; as influenced by your beliefs, you have created similarities in your physical manifestations which are the expression of family association.

Now; this is ONE influence in relation to what you are creating. You also create this similarity of experience in relation to each other in an expression of physical association with each other. This particular type of physical affectingness in actuality offers you a payoff, so to speak, for you create similarities. Similarities offer an expression of validation in objective awareness. Are you understanding?

KC: I understand that perfectly well. I even had sort of a hint that it was kind of a twin thing - "Look how much alike we are!" - that made us feel good.

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, you are correct in your impression concerning this physical manifestation.

KC: I really would like to talk about my tree situation. I live in an old house with a nice amount of property, and on the property are some old trees. One tree is in the front of my house, and it's about, maybe, seventy years old. It's a sugar maple. Then in the woods, off to the side of my house, there is a sycamore tree that is probably about ... oh, I would say it's over a hundred years old.

I live at the bottom of the street in the littlest house on the street, and the city would like to redo the storm sewers so that the water can go into the creek behind my house. They want to put a 20 foot easement in, and of course they'll have to dig it all up - there will be mud everywhere - and put the sewer line in and then fix it all back up. But they have to go very close to my sugar maple; I would say within four feet of it, and they're going to dig a trench five feet deep.

I know that I shouldn't have judgments and expectations about things, (emotionally) but I really do love this tree, and I'm afraid that I am losing some of the probabilities connected to this because I have so much emotional energy invested in it. Do you understand my question?

ELIAS: Yes, I am understanding of your expression. Let me express to you, my friend, first of all, this tree is quite strong in its manifestation. Let me also express to you, I am understanding of your concern.

But in this, perhaps you may allow yourself a new movement in your perception. For in this situation that you are creating, you are presenting to yourself the challenge to view your reality in your appreciation of it, but also to view all of consciousness, as an expression of you. Therefore, as I have stated many times previously, the objective imagery that you create is much less significant than your perception of your reality, for your perception, in actuality, does create your physical reality.

Therefore, you have offered yourself an opportunity to explore this mechanism of perception and the strength of it in how it creates your reality. Recognize that you have created the tree. Therefore, in your creation of the tree, also allow yourself to recognize what you are beginning in your creations now, and allow yourself choice; for what you are expressing presently is a lack of choice.

You are expressing that other individuals are creating choices which are therefore dictating to you what your choices may or may not be. Your choice is to be continuing your expression of this tree, but you are allowing your doubt of your own ability to be creating that to be influencing your choices.

KC: Yes!

ELIAS: And in this moment, you offer yourself a genuine opportunity to turn your perception and offer yourself choice, that you may express to yourself permission to continue to be creating this tree and that it shall not be, in your terms, harmed, and that it holds the strength to continue.

KC: Well, I even thought of that. I tried to think of all the probabilities and all the possibilities that the sewer could go through and the tree could be fine, or the sewer could go through and the tree could fall over, and so on and so on, and I thought, "I am missing something. I am missing something!" I just knew it. And I swore up and down I would never call you for a phone session! But then this tree thing came up, and I thought, "Yes, I'm calling Elias!" (Laughing, and Elias laughs)

I knew it was a perception thing, you know. It's been on the E-list, too. Everybody's been talking about perception. It's so helpful to read what other people say, because then it gives you a little new twist, you know, a little new thing to try out, a new way to look at things.

ELIAS: I am understanding. I shall express to you, my friend, you do hold a tremendous power in the expression of your perception, and in this, you may be, in actuality, creating the continuation of your relationship with this tree, and you may also be allowing and accepting of the choices of other individuals. You are participating in all of this movement. You are creating this action.

Therefore, allow yourself to view the wondrous opportunity that you are offering to yourself to be viewing the actual physical movement of your perception and how that may be, in actuality and genuineness, creating your actual physical reality, even within the situations and circumstances that are contrary to some of your beliefs and contrary to your association with what may be possible.

Let me express to you, your beliefs influence your perception, but your perception may also move in the creation of your reality in actual contrary expressions to your beliefs. Your beliefs are not absolute in their affectingness of your perception. You do hold the ability to be moving your perception, even within the recognition of the beliefs that you hold.

KC: Well, I don't know, that seems pretty complicated. But I'm sure when I read it over I'll understand it a little better.

ELIAS: Shall I offer to you the simplicity of what I have expressed in relation to the tree?

KC: Yes, please.

ELIAS: In this, your beliefs express to you that the trench may be created in too close of a proximity to the tree, correct, and therefore shall be damaging of the tree or shall weaken the tree?

KC: Yes, that's right.

ELIAS: Now; this is the belief that you hold. Your perception holds such great strength that merely by allowing yourself permission to continue to create this tree and create your relationship with this tree, it shall matter not that your beliefs are expressing to you that the tree may not survive with this type of trauma which shall surround it. It matters not that your beliefs are in play, your perception...

KC: I understand that, Elias. I understand exactly what you're saying. I did this little thing with myself, oh I don't know, 15 years ago when I had a muscle that was damaged. I knew that my body could fix the muscle, and I pretty well believed it could fix the muscle totally without me. It didn't need me to do it. I have to admit, I don't think it worked, but I can't be sure because I don't want to go and look! (Elias chuckles) But I told my body that it was okay to fix this muscle.

The problem was that I had shoulder problems from the muscle being cut, but I believe I had shoulder problems because I wanted to hit somebody, and so I gave myself the shoulder problems to prevent me from hitting them. I think it might be the same thing, that I believe it's that I really couldn't fix my muscle, but I could perceive that the muscle was fixed. Is that the same kind of thing?
ELIAS: Yes, and therefore you create the actual physical manifestation.

KC: Okay, I understand that, then. Now, I do have another small question about my shoulders, and that is, I do give myself shoulder problems. I tried to go into that pain and figure out why I have it. I had had some surgery and I was very angry with the surgeon, and I believed that I wanted to hit the surgeon and maybe strangle the surgeon! Therefore, I gave myself a symbolic physical disability to prevent - not that I would have done it - but to prevent myself from doing that. I worked through it. It was quite a long time ago, and I feel no judgment towards the surgeon. I understand now how I created that reality for my benefit, and I've seen the benefits. But I still have the shoulder problems, and I really thought they would go away when that association with the surgery went away; but they haven't gone away.

ELIAS: Not necessarily. For I may express to you, my friend, that that particular situation and event was merely one extreme expression of what you have created. You have chosen to be expressing this physical affectingness within your physical body in association with the expression of anger in all of its manifestations within your focus. Therefore, you have not ceased the physical affectingness of your shoulders, for this is the physical area of your body form that you channel energy into, in a manner of speaking, in association with this emotional expression of anger.

KC: Well, if I got to the point where I could accept the belief systems that I have around anger and not judge it and do whatever else you say I should do with it, would the pain go away then?

ELIAS: Within your movement, and your intention of your creation, and your purpose of your creation, yes.

KC: Ah! Well, that might take me a long time to work through, Elias, but you've helped me SO much!

I'm so excited, I just found the transcripts a few weeks ago. I always get into things overboard a little bit but then I get overwhelmed, and I quit. I garden and do other things for a while, and try to it put things into a set and make them physical for me, make them real for me. I just really love being able to read your sessions, and I'm so glad you and Mary decided to do this!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! (KC laughs) Let me also express to you, my friend, this movement in addressing to the physical creation that you have engaged with your shoulders, and the association of that expression with anger, may be addressed to much more simply than you perceive presently. You may be accomplishing of this action much more easily than you perceive presently, also. For as you allow yourself to turn your attention and redefine the expression of emotion, and allow yourself a genuine movement into the recognition and understanding that emotion is a communication and not a reaction, you may begin dissipating that physical affectingness. For the expression of anger is the extreme of frustration, and once you create the extreme of frustration, you deny yourself choice; and this is the expression of anger, the lack of choice.

KC: I've only talked to you a brief time today, and already you've given me plenty to think about. I like to take just one small thing at a time (Elias laughs), or maybe two or three small things at a time! (Laughing)

Anyway, I have another question that someone asked me to ask you. My friend Charles - and we have a few minutes left - I wonder if you could offer him any information; he has some worries. He's worried about his heart. He's been told he has a kidney stone, but I don't think that's what it is. He has two lumps on his back that I think are just swollen lymph nodes, which is what I told him. He identifies with his father, who was in ill health at a young age. He asked me if you would have anything to tell him.

ELIAS: Very well. You may offer to this individual that as he continues this expression of worry, he is expressing an energy that shall create precisely what he expects.

Within this present time framework, he has not yet created what you would term to be a seriousness of physical affectingness. But in the continuation of this expression of energy of worry and fear, he shall perpetuate this expression, and reinforce the movement to be creating precisely what he expects to be creating; and the expectation is that he shall be creating in similarity to the parent.

Now; there is a tremendous projection of fear within this individual, and this fear creates an expression of becoming a victim of himself. In this, there is a tremendous expression of tension in energy within this individual. You may offer to him my suggestion that he allow himself distraction that may offer an expression of relaxation, and this shall allow him the opportunity to dissipate some of this energy of fear.

KC: Okay, I will relay that information to him. He is quite a remarkable person; in fact, everybody I know is quite remarkable! (Laughing; Elias laughs heartily)

Also, my bird says hello to you. Have you heard him squeaking and squawking while I've been on the telephone?

ELIAS: And you may offer my greetings to your creature, also! (Chuckling)

KC: Okay. I thank you very much, Elias. I really, really am happy that we talked.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome, my friend. I express great encouragement to you. You may also offer to your friend my invitation that we may speak together also.

KC: Oh, that's very good. I will tell him you offered that. He may even take you up on it! (Laughing, and Elias chuckles)

ELIAS: And I shall be anticipating our next interactions. I offer tremendous affection to you, and the encouragement to you individually that you allow yourself the wondrous expression of continuing your energy exchange with yourself in the form of your trees.

KC: Oh, thank you so much! That really means so much to me, and you know I hold you in great affection also, Elias.

ELIAS: To you, in loving friendship, au revoir.

KC: Au revoir.

Elias departs at 1:08 PM.

(1) KC is referring to the Elias email chat list; check it out at


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