Session 808

Overlapping Focuses


”Overlapping Focuses”

Thursday, March 29, 2001 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Bobbi (Jale)
Elias arrives at 3:18 PM. (Arrival time is 33 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning!

BOBBI: Good morning, Elias! It’s nice to speak to you. (Elias chuckles)

ELIAS: And how goes your adventure?

BOBBI: It’s gotten real interesting lately, and this is why I’m speaking to you a lot sooner than I thought I would be. (Elias chuckles)

I have a lot of various questions today. I’m going in directions I thought I was not going to. Really, I thought I was done with looking at other focuses, and instead would concentrate on me now in this focus; but my whole opinion of that has changed recently. (Elias chuckles)

ELIAS: And what have you been discovering?

BOBBI: Well, Ruther very kindly asked you about a focus of mine a couple of weeks ago, the [name omitted] focus.

ELIAS: Correct.

BOBBI: This just opened all kinds of floodgates of investigation and information to me. I have a lot of questions about that, the particulars, I guess, the details, and other impressions.

What’s been interesting is that in connecting with this focus, I gained a lot more information about, I guess, what personality tone is, which has been really interesting as well. I think I’m getting more of a feeling of what the personality tone of Jale is, and being able to recognize that.

ELIAS: Very well!

BOBBI: With the other connections I’ve made, as well as the information that I got about the focus, which was interesting, I sort of learned things from it, like what it means that a focus is you but not you. I got a real sense of that and a sense of the continuity of relationships and the way they change and how they’re sort of influencing, which was unique. I kind of thought that was it! (Laughing)

So this has been eye opening in another way. I’m getting a different set of information from this, so I would imagine that this would continue, that there is more to be discovered out there.

ELIAS: You are correct, and you are beginning the genuine recognition in your reality of the concepts that I have expressed to all of you throughout the engagement of this forum in familiarizing yourself with you, not merely familiarizing yourself with you in this one focus, but with you as essence.

BOBBI: Yes, absolutely; I’m getting a sense now of what that means. What has been interesting about this was seeing the similarities of some of my focuses that fortunately had biographies that I could read and get more detailed information on, seeing the similarities in them and myself, and getting a feeling of this personality tone. (Elias nods) Somehow, it makes me feel better about me in this focus. I’m not sure exactly how, maybe it’s just the recognition ... I’m not sure, but it’s been a really neat unexpected outcome of all of this.

ELIAS: I am understanding, for in allowing yourself to create this familiarity with yourself as essence, you begin the objective realization that you genuinely are multi-faceted and that you genuinely are more than you have associated with your identification of yourself previously, and in this, you also allow yourself to view the many expressions and the diversity of yourself as an essence.

BOBBI: Yes, and how my personality tone is continuing through those very, very different expressions.

ELIAS: You are correct.

BOBBI: Yes, it’s been really fascinating.

Connecting with this particular focus of [name omitted], I have some questions about that, and about why it’s been such a clear, easy connection with this guy. I guess my first question about that is for about 33 years our lives, our focuses, overlap. Now, considering the ease that I was able to connect with him, I would assume that we are of similar tone. (Pause)

ELIAS: Let me express to you, in this particular type of situation of these particular focuses, the similarity in focus tone holds less significance in your allowance of yourself to be recognizing or objectively connecting to that other focus than the expression of the overlapping of time frameworks.

In this, as I have expressed to Lawrence recently, these two particular focuses that individuals participate in the expression of both hold similarities in the expressions of the manifestations and their theme, so to speak. As I have expressed to Lawrence, these two focuses in particular overlap each other, and in that overlapping there is also expressed a similarity in the types of manifestations or expressions of the focuses themselves, which allows for an ease in your objective connection with them.

In this, as I have expressed, these two focuses are both final chapters of two particular books, in a manner of speaking. They are both created and manifest within the same century. They are both books that are addressing to or expressing the subject matter of movement of two Source Events. Therefore, there are many similarities of these two focuses in themselves, speaking generally, and in this, as they do overlap each other and they do hold many similarities, they are easily accessible in the expression of your objective awareness.

In a manner of speaking, they may be likened to objective memory which is created within one focus, for they are in a manner of speaking superimposed upon each other in a similar time framework. This creates a thinner veil of separation between these two particular focuses.

BOBBI: That’s what I was a little confused about. Now, of course, looking back and connecting things, I can see a lot of little overlaps, or if you want to call them clues or whatever, that have always been there.

I also have a question about the ease in how I got that name. I was telling Mary, I’ve been trying to backtrack and figure out how it all came about, how this came to my awareness, ’cause I was just sort of generally ruminating and these three names just popped into my head so clearly. It was surprising, anyway! (Laughing) And it was surprising to find that other people were also connecting to the same time framework at the same time. So, is there some sort of energy being lent to the ease in connecting right now with that particular time?

ELIAS: It is not necessarily this type of expression that you are associating with, but I shall confirm to you that many individuals in this time framework now are allowing themselves an ease in their identification of focuses in the time framework of that other final chapter of the other book. This may not necessarily be associated with a type of energy that you may view as a wave in consciousness, so to speak, but rather individuals have been moving in conjunction with this shift in consciousness and have been widening their awareness.

Now; in that expression, MANY individuals are expressing a tremendous similarity in the awareness that they have opened to in consciousness and in their participation with the insertion of this shift in their individual objective realities; and in this, you allow in that openness a free-flow of energy which drops the thinnest veil of separation between focuses, and that allows an ease in your connecting to, in your terms, these focuses that may be most closely associated with you presently in relation to time.

You create objective associations in relation to time, and in this, those associations create what may be figuratively termed as thinner or thicker veils between the different focuses of essence. The greater span of time between one focus and another focus creates an automatic association of a thicker veil, for you view that time incorporation to be expressing a further removal of the other focus from yourself. Are you understanding thus far?


ELIAS: Very well. In this, as you widen your awareness, you allow for your own individual movement to be creating actions in relation to this shift in consciousness, and one of those actions associated with this shift is dropping the veils of separation. Therefore, it is quite understandable that within this time framework presently, as you insert this shift into your objective reality, you begin the actual action of dropping the veils and allowing yourself a genuine and clear identification of other aspects of yourself as you and as one essence, and the identification of that essence as being you.

In this, the most closely associated focus to this present focus that you identify with yourself is this focus in the time framework of your mid-previous century in which you participate in the event of this world war. I may express to you, once again, the reason this particular focus is more closely associated with you now than say a future focus which may perhaps also overlap this focus is the expressions of these two focuses and the similarities of their design, that they are both expressions of Source Events, they are both chapter focuses of two particular books, they are both the final or ending chapters of these two books. Therefore, they share many similarities in their expressions and are closely associated to each other.

I may express to you, Jale, in this time framework there are many, many individuals, not merely those within interaction of this forum but throughout your globe, that are offering themselves recognitions of their participation in that particular event and time framework, and recognizing that in actuality they have offered themselves clues throughout their focus presently which have been indications of their participation in that particular focus.

In this time framework now, you - and I may express to you many hundreds of thousands of other individuals - are beginning an objective recognition of your own experiences within this focus that bear identifications of that focus. Individuals allow themselves a recognition of dream imagery that they have experienced within this focus which is directly associated with that other focus. Individuals are beginning recognition of expressions they have engaged objectively or particular associations that they have created objectively that are directly associated with their participation in that other focus also.

Previously all of these individuals, yourself also, have not quite offered yourselves the explanation of the link of your own experiences to those experiences being created in that other focus, and now, as you have widened your awareness, as you have moved into your new century, as you are inserting this shift objectively into your reality, you begin offering yourself more of a genuine familiarity and recognition of yourself as essence much more realistically.

BOBBI: Yes, and I’m looking forward to more of those kinds of insights. (Elias chuckles)

I have a question about that particular Source Event. I understand it was the religious Source Event?

ELIAS: Correct.

BOBBI: So is the Judea focus that Tyl is quite interested in, is that one of the chapters?


BOBBI: Okay, I thought probably that it was. As far as the [name omitted] focus, I have just a couple of questions about connections.

ELIAS: Very well.

BOBBI: My friend Diane’s son, her youngest son Alex, was he my son in that focus? (Pause)


BOBBI: Cool. The partnership relationship in that focus was so familiar to me. I can’t say that the individual was that familiar, but the relationship was quite familiar. So I am curious, do I know that person now?


BOBBI: And would this be my friend Diane? (Pause)

ELIAS: No. But I may offer you a clue for your investigation. It is an individual that you are closely associated with in this focus, not your partner in this focus.

BOBBI: (Laughing, and Elias smiles) I have to laugh, ’cause I never even considered that! (Elias laughs) No, this seems very different. The only other person I thought of was my daughter, Melissa.


BOBBI: No. Okay then, I will keep looking. I guess that does it for [name omitted], for now, anyway! (Elias laughs)

Oh, when I spoke to you in January, we talked at length about emotion as a message.

ELIAS: Correct.

BOBBI: And I sort of despaired of ever getting an understand of it, but soon after I had a dream experience that really explained the whole thing to me. It was a wonderful illustration of that, and so I just wanted to tell you, I think I get the concept now, anyway! (Laughing)

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha! I may be acknowledging of you, my friend, you are allowing yourself much openness and creativity in your exploration, which is allowing you a genuine understanding objectively of these concepts and the movement of your reality.

BOBBI: Things have been moving very quickly this year. It’s been very interesting, and in a way, that’s another question. Things have been going very smoothly and very well. I know a lot of people are having a very difficult time now with the wave in duplicity, so am I kind of having the upside? If this is duplicity, I’m judging this as all being very good! I really like it! (Elias laughs) But in a way, I’m thinking maybe it’ll be my turn soon. Am I supposed to have a turn at the more difficult conflicting stuff?

ELIAS: Ah, I may express to you, you may be choosing not to be engaging that belief! (Bobbi laughs) Ha ha ha!

BOBBI: I’m very glad to hear that! (They both laugh)

ELIAS: Let me express to you, in this, you also participate in this wave in consciousness addressing to the belief system of duplicity, but you are engaging a different aspect of it.

Let me express to you, my friend, for the most part individuals allow themselves to address to duplicity merely in the experiences and identifications of aspects of their reality that they view to be negative. The term ’judgment’ is automatically associated with a negative expression, and I may say to you even the identification of ’good’ is a judgment.

BOBBI: Oh, I understand that! (Laughing) That’s why I see this as maybe part of my participation in this, because I do judge this to be good. This is quite in difference to a large part of my life when things were not going very smoothly at all, and this right now I judge to be very good! I recognized that as duplicity.

ELIAS: Quite. In this, I am not discouraging of any individual in their experience, regardless that they define it as good or bad, but merely expressing to you each that the expression is the same. It incorporates judgment in either direction, which is not to say that your experiences shall cease to incorporate preference or a lack of preference as you eliminate the judgments, but that you allow yourselves to recognize in relation to yourselves and to other individuals that the judgment of ’good’ is equally as affecting as the judgment of ’bad.’

BOBBI: Okay, I understand that, I think.

ELIAS: This is not to be discounting of your movement and your experiences and your allowance of yourself to be widening your awareness, but you may be creating that action and be experiencing pleasure and be allowing yourself the engagement of preference but not creating the judgment, for there are many underlying snares which are also created in association with each of these judgments, be they good or bad. For you also create automatic associations in relation to your judgments of good, which you place strategically within your movement as a type of snare that lies in wait for your own movement in new directions to be once again creating the familiarity of the discounting of yourself.

Let me express to you, my friend, individuals are quite creative and inventive within physical focus in time frameworks in which they are creating an ease in their movement but are associating that ease and the experience of their preferences and pleasure as good, for you hold very strong beliefs and associations with the temporariness of those types of movement and the lack of lastingness or the lack of strength of durability in this type of expression.

Time frameworks and experiences that you label or define as ’good’ also become automatically associated with fragile, and therefore there is created an underlying suspicion, just as you have expressed in this conversation of your own wondering whether you shall be futurely moving into ’your turn’ of experiencing the difficulties. That is an automatic expression which is created within you ALL in strength, which is the snare which lies in wait for your own movement to turn, and in this, your movement as it turns may be a new expression of exploration and may be offering you new expressions of freedom and pleasure and preference; but merely in the turn of movement, you may spring the snare that you have already created in automatic association of the fragileness of the good experience and time framework. Are you understanding?

BOBBI: Oh yes.

ELIAS: This be the reason that I draw attention to the expression of duplicity in judgments created in the identification of good in equal measure to those of bad or those of right in equal measure to those of wrong, for they hold equal strength.

BOBBI: I understand how that works, how the two go together. I think I’ll keep my eye out for that trauma, you know? (Laughing, and Elias laughs)

ELIAS: I may be suggesting to you, my friend, you need not be inviting it! Ha ha ha! (Bobbi laughs)

BOBBI: Well, I’d better be aware of that, too, of looking too hard! (Elias laughs)

ELIAS: Be remembering, you shall create what you concentrate upon! Ha ha ha!

BOBBI: Uh-oh! Okay, I’ve been warned! (Laughing, and Elias laughs) I have some other various questions, if that’s okay?

ELIAS: Very well!

BOBBI: I have an impression of my son, Chris, as maybe holding a focus as the artist Suzanne Valadon.

ELIAS: Correct.

BOBBI: Oh, he’ll be pleased with that! (Elias laughs) He’s working very hard on his art right now.

Also, the last time I spoke to you, you told me that at one point in my focus another essence was participating, and I wish I had asked, in what period of my life did that take place? (Pause)

ELIAS: This interaction was engaged between what you would identify in age as a beginning point of 4 years and a discontinuing point of 32.

BOBBI: Really. That’s interesting. Is there a way to know why that participation ceased, stopped?

ELIAS: One moment. (Pause) Very well. This participating essence, that which may be termed as an observing essence, choose to be experiencing this particular time framework in relation to the expressions of the essence families that you incorporate, also the gender that you incorporate, and the interplay of those aspects upon the choices of your experiences within your particular culture in this particular time framework in relation to the subjective movement of the shift in consciousness, and allowing itself to be incorporating these experiences without the incorporation of tremendous drama, so to speak, and in the expression of your particular orientation.

I shall express to you, the curiosity was expressed in the desire to observe and experience an individual focus which appears to be expressed, in your terms, as average, without the incorporation of much trauma or extremes in drama.

BOBBI: Hmm. (Laughs) I have an attractive ordinariness, huh?

ELIAS: HA HA! In a manner of speaking, yes! (They both laugh)

BOBBI: Okay, thank you. I have two friends that I would be interested in knowing their family and alignment. I’ve been talking to them quite a bit recently after several years of not having much contact with them; that would be Marianne and John. They live up in the Mammoth area.

ELIAS: Offer to me your impressions. (Laughs)

BOBBI: (Laughing) I knew you were going to ask!

ELIAS: Ha ha! Did you perceive that you shall be moving into escape of this statement? Ha ha ha!

BOBBI: I could only hope! (Elias laughs) Well, the reason that I ask is because they are confusing. I think since I see them so much as a couple, it’s just a big swirl of influences there. I’ll start with John. I think that he is Milumet/Sumari. (Pause)

ELIAS: I may express to you, Zuli/Sumari.

BOBBI: Ah, okay.

ELIAS: I am understanding that within physical focus and your objective associations, many individuals reverse these two particular essence families.

BOBBI: That’s interesting, because I was thinking that Marianne, his partner, might have Zuli in there somewhere. She’s definitely got Sumari going on.

ELIAS: And I may express to you, the reason that you view what you term to be the swirling together is that the partner engages the reverse of families.

BOBBI: (Laughing) Okay! Very good, thank you. That makes sense. Good, thank you.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome.

BOBBI: My sister and I both identify focuses in 18th century France, and what’s been funny is that we both identify ourselves as having the relationship of great-aunt to each other. (Laughs) Are we thinking of maybe two different focuses, or could you clarify what our impressions are of?

ELIAS: Yes. You are associating two focuses: one, you are correct, within 18th century France, one within 17th century Russia.

BOBBI: Oh! Okay, I thought it was funny we both came up with that. (Elias chuckles) Speaking of my sister, how many focuses has she had? That would be Nancy. (Pause)

ELIAS: Total numbering of focuses in this physical dimension, 1746.

BOBBI: (Laughs) And she is the final focus, correct?


BOBBI: She was a little worried that she wouldn’t be!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha! (Bobbi laughs) Experiencing fatigue with this physical dimension!

BOBBI: Yes, and now I understand why! (They both laugh) How many focuses have I had? (Pause)

ELIAS: In this physical dimension, total numbering 1001.

BOBBI: Wow! Cool. Thank you.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome.

BOBBI: I have been thinking about Emily Dickinson lately; do I have some connection with her, or is there a similar tone that I’m picking up on, or maybe as an observing focus or something?

ELIAS: No, I may express to you that you hold another focus of your essence which participated with this individual as schoolmates at one point.

BOBBI: Okay. Thank you.

ELIAS: You are welcome.

BOBBI: Let’s see. I have a question about lightness of energy, and I’m not even sure how to phrase it. What exactly is a lightness in energy? You had commented to one participant that she had a wonderful lightness in energy, and that sounded so lovely. I wondered what that was, what that entailed?

ELIAS: I may express to you, I have offered this expression to this individual in identification of this individual’s allowance of a freeness within her expression of energy, in which this individual allows a free expression of herself objectively and subjectively in a free-flow and creates very few what we may term figuratively as dams in the stream of her energy.

There is a genuine expression of recognition of her own energy and an appreciation of that energy within self which creates a lightness, so to speak, in difference to the thickness of energy that many individuals create within this physical dimension that you participate within.

This individual expresses a freeness in appreciation of her own expression of energy. This is not to say that this individual expresses more of a familiarity with self than many individuals within your physical dimension, but there is expressed - which has been recognized by this essence - a genuine appreciation objectively in the recognition of her own energy, which creates much of a free-flow of her energy, and this, in this time framework, in the expression of this wave in duplicity and the automatic expression of complication of your realities in this particular expression of movement of this shift, is an expression of energy greatly worthy of acknowledgment. For this type of expression of energy, this type of appreciation, shall be expressed by you all, but in this particular time framework it is not expressed often, yet.

BOBBI: So this is something that we’re all moving towards, hopefully?

ELIAS: Yes, a genuine appreciation in the recognition of your own beingness, your own energy. My expression of ’appreciation’ is much more expansive than your definition of appreciation, but you are all moving into a recognition of redefining appreciation in like manner to your redefining of many other terms within your physical reality. This individual experiences that expanded identification of appreciation, which is worthy of notation.

BOBBI: I guess my question would be, how could I cultivate that?

ELIAS: I may express to you, my friend, you are already moving into this type of expression and this movement in your opening to yourself, and your movement in becoming more familiar with yourself as essence and the recognition of the tone that interplays throughout all of your focuses, that similarity which is expressed; and as you continue this movement that you are creating, you shall also create that recognition of genuine appreciation of self for it allows you to view the genuine wondrousness of your being as essence and the tremendous expression of diversity and creativity that you incorporate.

Therefore, be encouraged, my friend, for you are already allowing yourself movement in this direction.

BOBBI: Thank you.

ELIAS: You are welcome! (Chuckling)

BOBBI: Gosh, that pretty much does it for my questions. I was going to ask you what my intent was, but... (Laughs, and Elias laughs) I don’t know if I should do THAT or not! (Laughing)

ELIAS: I shall express to you the challenge to be investigating and viewing the entirety of your focus and allowing yourself to discover the theme, for this is the identification of your intent.

BOBBI: Well, thank you very much!

ELIAS: You are very welcome.

BOBBI: Is there anything else that you would add?

ELIAS: Merely an encouragement to be continuing in the movement that you are already creating and I shall be encouraging of you also and in this, I shall be expressing a playful energy with you. Until our next meeting ... which you may be incorporating in your interactions with Lawrence also, you need merely be calling upon me, and we shall all be playful together! (Bobbi laughs) Ha ha!

BOBBI: That would be wonderful!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha! I express to you tremendous affection, as always, great encouragement in your adventure, and an anticipation of our next meeting. To you, my friend, carpe diem!

BOBBI: (Laughing) Thank you very much, Elias, for all your help in session and out.

ELIAS: You are very welcome. To you this day, au revoir.

BOBBI: Au revoir.

Elias departs at 4:18 PM.

(1) Bobbi’s note: the three names were the focus names of two other forum members and myself in that time framework.

(2) Bobbi’s note: briefly, my dream was I was waiting in a doctor’s examining room. There was a scale in there, and I decided to weigh myself before the doctor came in. Much to my utter delight, I was my perfect weight. The extreme joy I felt, the lightness and relief, were amazing; and in those intense emotions, there was an instant full recognition of my beliefs about weight, many of which I was not even aware of or which I thought I had resolved.

(3) , 6/9/00-2.

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