Sunday, March 25, 2001 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Georgia (Jacob)
Elias arrives at 1:24 PM. (Arrival time is 19 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning!

GEORGIA: Good morning! (Elias chuckles) How are you today?

ELIAS: As always. Ha ha ha! And yourself?

GEORGIA: I'm doing great! (Elias laughs) I really am! I'm feeling a little weird, but I'm feeling fine.

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! How shall we proceed?

GEORGIA: I wanted to talk about a game we played when I was a child. I don't know whether it was a memory I picked up from another life I'm living, or just something I got from church or movies or whatever, but it's been a game that's stuck with me like a memory. In this game, I was supposedly a slave who became pharaoh or became the ruler of a country. Was it a memory, or was it something that I picked up from someplace else?

ELIAS: I may express to you, in a manner of speaking, yes, you may attribute this to a memory in another manifestation within that culture and society. As a child, in that particular focus, you created the same game.

GEORGIA: Oh, okay! (Elias chuckles) I see! How weird. That was strange! (Both laugh) That's neat! I was just wondering what happened, where did I get the game from, because it's a game I played for years!

ELIAS: Quite! I may express to you, this is not the identification, as you are aware, of this particular action actually occurring in physical manifestation, but that the child within that focus in the actual society created a game, with friends incorporated, in which there was the wish to be creating that type of action.

GEORGIA: And is this why I identified so much with Joseph, for instance, when I started reading the Bible?

ELIAS: Yes.

GEORGIA: Okay. I had a life then but it didn't turn out that way. (Both laugh) I was wondering about that. Okay, that makes a lot of sense. I was wondering whether it really happened or whether it was something I made up. (Elias chuckles) So it was both! (Laughing)

ELIAS: Correct.

GEORGIA: Not that I actually became the pharaoh, but that I had lived back there. The cities were so real in the game, and it was like I was actually there. It was very strange; it was very interesting.

ELIAS: Correct.

GEORGIA: And I was always wondering why I always felt so close to the story of Joseph. Now I know! Thank you.

ELIAS: You are welcome.

GEORGIA: There was something personal I want to know, too. I have grandchildren, and my daughters want to know ... I know the essence names and families and alignments of one of them, but I would like to know those of my other grandchildren. Perhaps you could give me those?

ELIAS: Identify...

GEORGIA: Okay, the first one would be Joseph. He's my oldest grandson. (Pause)

ELIAS: Essence name, Beute, B-E-U-T-E (BYOOT); essence family, Zuli; alignment, Vold.

GEORGIA: That makes sense! And the next person is Ashley, Crystal Ashley. (Pause)

ELIAS: Essence name, Allysa, A-L-L-Y-S-A (aah LEE sah); essence family, Borledim; alignment, Sumari.

GEORGIA: Very interesting. Yes, I can see that, too. Okay, and Alexandra?

ELIAS: Essence name, Kayla, K-A-Y-L-A (KAY lah); essence family, Tumold; alignment, Ilda.

GEORGIA: And Morgan?

ELIAS: Essence name, Kaitlyn, K-A-I-T-L-Y-N (KATE lin); essence family, Sumafi; alignment Ilda.

GEORGIA: Thank you.

ELIAS: You are welcome.

GEORGIA: My daughter Heather is pregnant. Can you tell me anything about the essence that's thinking of coming in? (Pause)

ELIAS: Belonging to essence family Sumafi; choice of alignment is not designated in this present...

GEORGIA: It's too early yet. Yes, okay; okay, great.

A few months ago - I really appreciate what you gave me there - a few months ago I woke up real early in the morning and I couldn't get back to sleep, so I thought I'd try and meditate. I had a little dream where I dreamed about ... it wasn't a dream, I was awake, but I was dreaming about beliefs, where instead of my beliefs being birdcages my beliefs were bricks, right? The walls were holding me into a very comfortable room. I pulled a rock from each wall and all the walls came tumbling down, and I made the beliefs into a chair. It was really an awesome experience, you know, so I thought about that. I wish could do that really, and I hope I'm working on it! (Laughing)

It's helped me look at my beliefs a little differently, and it's like you say, to use them as tools rather than let them use me or control me or have my beliefs creating everything for me ... to try to use my beliefs to create what I want to create, there you go! So, I made them into a chair that I could get up and leave if I wanted to, and that was really a fascinating thing. I kept thinking, as I was going through this, that you were there and this was a perfectly safe thing to do. One wall went back into my subconscious, and I thought, "This is okay. It's a safe place to look." It was really beautiful to look into the wall, through the hole in the wall, into this deep jungle. The other walls led into a very nice safe little forest. But after I had all the walls down and I built the chair, the jungle and the forest mingled together and all the wild things and the safe things were mingled in together, and it was really very fascinating!

And I was wondering, did you help guide me through this sort of little dream? All the things that came through it were just really great to me. I wouldn't want to go through the whole dream because it was very long. But, is there something ... you know, I want to remember it, to look at it and examine it and see what I could learn from it. Is there something that I might have missed - and I know I probably did - that could help me actually create this in my real life, to get this dream going? Not faster, not better, but to help me keep working at it? There you go, that's what I want to say.

ELIAS: I am understanding. First of all, I may acknowledge to you, yes, I have offered an expression of energy to you in interaction subjectively in this offering of dream imagery. You created the movement and the imagery of the dream. I merely have offered an expression of energy that may be helpful to you in your objective interpretation of this dream imagery.

Now; I may also express to you, you have offered yourself an acknowledgment of your own movement and a manner in which you may be altering your perception in relation to your beliefs and not viewing them as negative or adversarial.

As you move objectively and apply this validation to your objective movement and interactions, I may express to you the suggestion that you allow yourself the recognition of your beliefs; and in that recognition it is objectively unnecessary to reconfigure the energy of the beliefs, but rather merely allow yourself the recognition that as you identify any particular automatic response in association with your beliefs that you also may offer to yourself the recognition that you hold choice, [and] that you are not expressing merely one choice in association with the belief but that there are many choices that you may engage in relation to all of your beliefs.

This is what is symbolically being expressed within your dream imagery, and what I am expressing to you presently is that you not move yourself into the expression of viewing your dream imagery as a literal action, but rather recognizing that this is a symbolic action that you have offered to yourself in acknowledgment that you may be altering your perception and offering yourself choices, which shall alter your reality but does not necessarily reconfigure or change the belief itself. Are you understanding?

GEORGIA: Yes, I get that. Yes, I can see that. Changing it into a chair was just my way of saying that I don't have to look at things the same way.

ELIAS: Correct.

GEORGIA: I don't have to ... they're still there. I didn't change the bricks, the stones, so to speak. They were still there but they didn't control my choices anymore.

ELIAS: Correct.

GEORGIA: I had the chance to not be confronted by them, to not be limited anymore.

ELIAS: Correct.

GEORGIA: I was free to move them in all kinds of directions.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct. In this, many times individuals move into the familiar and are objectively, in a manner of speaking, forgetful of what they have presented to themselves, and therefore move once again into the action of attempting to change their beliefs into another expression; and this is what I am expressing to you, to allow yourself an awareness of those moments in which you may be noticing that you are moving in the familiar expression of attempting to change, and as you allow yourself to be noticing of that action, you may be drawing upon the validation of this dream imagery that that particular action is unnecessary, that you are merely offering yourself the opportunity to view more of your choices.

GEORGIA: I can see that, because there have been times where I've done that. Yes, I know. (Elias chuckles) And I think I've been noticing it though, a little bit more.

ELIAS: Yes.

GEORGIA: I've been telling myself it's okay to feel that way. It's okay not to like that, or it's okay not to think that's the best way to do something or whatever. I know there's no best, but it's okay to have my feelings about it, and it's okay for the other person to be the way they are or other people to feel differently than I do or whatever. It doesn't matter. It's just perception.

ELIAS: Correct.

GEORGIA: And I think I've been catching myself a little bit more often when I do that, or trying ... I mean, I do find myself judging. It's just automatic, like you say. "Oh, that was mean. I don't like him. I'm gonna get him back. I'm gonna be ugly; I'm gonna be mean. I'm gonna do something." Sometimes I manage to say, "I have another choice," and choose the other choice. (Laughing) There are times when I'm just, "Go ahead and be a vindictive little asshole." (Elias laughs)

I'm sorry, it's just ... you know, it's a choice. I realize it doesn't matter the times I think, "Oh, darn. Why did I fall into the hole?" and then I think, "Well, that's okay. I was mad at the time, and I succumbed to temptation." (Both laugh) It's a mindset, you know? It's not necessarily the kind of person I want to be, but I know it's the kind of person I am, and that's okay! (Elias laughs) And I'm beginning to say, "That's who I am, and I still like me." I still think I'm a great person.

ELIAS: I may also express to you, my friend, that within moments in which you notice your automatic responses and your projection of attention outside of yourself in which you are expressing judgments, you may also engage an action of turning your attention to self and seeking out the similarity in what is being expressed by the other individual and yourself.

GEORGIA: Exactly. Yes, I've been doing that. (Laughing, and Elias laughs) Yes, there's a lot of similarity there.

ELIAS: You may choose...

GEORGIA: (Laughing) Of course, I like to think I'm better! (Elias laughs) And I did say that as a joke!

ELIAS: You may choose different imagery in your...

GEORGIA: I know I'm calling this to me. I realize that this is something I am looking at because I want to notice it about myself, and I need to look inside myself.

ELIAS: Quite.

GEORGIA: (Laughing) But I think I'm succeeding, because the situation that was really bothering me, I have sort of found a way around it, and it's not as blatant. The person and I still work close together. It's really been bothering me, and I know there's so much about us that is a lot alike. I feel vindictive about this person because he makes me so angry. I'm prejudiced about this individual. I can't be clear and can't be honest. I can't give a true picture of what kind of person he really is, because I'm just prejudiced against him. I cannot find nice things to say, so I'll just say, "I just don't have a clear picture of this person because I don't like him, so I can't give you a true picture." (Elias laughs)

That's what I try to tell people, and of course they keep digging, and I say, "Well, he does things I don't like," and yet at the same time I can see so much about him that's ... we have almost the same birthday. We were only born a day apart. I think I'm older than him, maybe a year older or something like that. We're both opinionated. Where we know we're right, we don't really give in. (Elias laughs) We know we're right and god damn it, you're going to agree with me or else! (Laughing)

Sometimes I try to find ways to prove he's wrong. I mean, it's just very little nit-picky things, and he keeps trying to prove I'm wrong, and it's very little picky things, and it's like, "Why am I doing this? Why? What is it about me that won't just let it go, because it's not important? (Elias chuckles)

ELIAS: And what is the challenge that you present to yourself, my friend?

GEORGIA: That's just it. I don't understand why I am so adamant about proving this guy wrong. Why do I have to prove he's wrong? There's another thing I can prove he's wrong about right now, and I can do it tomorrow. But I'm telling myself, "I don't have to do it. It's not important." And he's really not wrong, he's right; but I could show he's wrong. You know what I'm trying to say? Because we're talking about nit-picky little things. Why do I want to do this?

ELIAS: I am understanding. And what are you presenting to yourself? You...

GEORGIA: It's like I'm going to show him that I'm better, and I'm really not, and it's just ... it bugs me. Why do I feel I have to do this, because I have no confidence in myself? I'm degrading myself as well as him. Right?

I'm trying so hard to tell myself that this is true, that yes, I do have another choice, lots of choices. I don't have to do this. Really the matter is, it's a case of presenting something in a way that both ways are right - but my way makes things look a little better. (Elias chuckles) But it's just as valid as his way; he's right also. His way is the way that a lot of other people will look at it, too, who are not statisticians. I'd like to present things in a little better way, and it's still telling the truth. He has a way of getting it because he's a mathematician, and that's fine.

Why can't I shut up and let him do his thing? (Elias chuckles) Why do I feel so ... what is it about our relationship that makes me feel so adamant that I have to feel right? Why do I have to be so vindictive or feel that I have to be right? What is it about ME that makes me that way? (Elias chuckles) It's driving me crazy, because I just get so angry and so vindictive! It's something I don't like about myself. (Elias chuckles)

ELIAS: Shall I respond?

GEORGIA: It's hilarious, and it is, and I'm laughing at myself, too, but at the same time, it's like I... (Dissolves into laughter)

ELIAS: And now...

GEORGIA: He and I have worked together before, right?

ELIAS: (Chuckling) And NOW, my friend, shall I respond to your question?
GEORGIA: Yes.

ELIAS: I may express to you that in actuality this situation that you have created is not necessarily an expression of continuously discounting yourself and attempting to be validating of yourself through the action of being right, so to speak.

In actuality, what you are presenting to yourself and challenging yourself with is the very concept of right and wrong, and presenting to yourself the opportunity repeatedly to engage interaction to address to the strength of YOUR alignment with the expression of duplicity in the identification of right and wrong, assessing that one direction or one method or one opinion or one creation is better than another, that one direction of expression is right and one is wrong. And what you are...

GEORGIA: And neither is.

ELIAS: What you are presenting to yourself is the opportunity to view that in actuality there are no absolutes, and there is no actual expression of an absolute right and an absolute wrong. You are offering yourself...

GEORGIA: I think that's why I picked statistics! (Laughing)

ELIAS: ...the challenge to be viewing the strength in which you align with the expressions of right and wrong, black and white, good and bad, better and worse.

GEORGIA: And I do. I align very strongly with things like that.

ELIAS: Quite! And you have chosen to be interactive with another individual which shall continue thisly challenge you with this particular belief.

GEORGIA: Okay! Now, that's good! I've been thankful in a way that he's there. He makes me very angry but... (Laughing, and Elias laughs) But at the same time, he's letting me really think about what I'm doing. I hope I've done the same for him, you know, made him think. Not because he's right or I'm wrong or visa versa, but it's just that there are ... we just seem to be almost opposites in so many things. (Elias chuckles)

It's quite challenging, because I know what you're saying, and I find it very hard to give in on some things because I really have strong beliefs in some areas, and it is making me look at them. Yes, I can see that. It's hard for me to admit, but it's true. I have strong beliefs on how one should manage people or lead people, and his beliefs are totally opposite in that direction; well, maybe not completely opposite but are more regimented, I should say, and this is his belief. It's not that he's wrong or that I'm right, it's just we're different. You're right about that - I just like my way better, that's all! (Laughing, and Elias laughs) I do, and it appears, from what I see, to make people happier and more productive, and so I just like it better! But he sees it the other way, and so that's his way of viewing. I find it very hard to accept, but that's okay. (Elias laughs)

But it's not ... I can see what you're saying because you're right. You're right. And it's not only me he's challenging, he's challenging quite a few people to look at who they are and what they think. Well, I think he's good in that respect; no, not "good," I don't mean good or bad, but I mean he has made a lot of people think about how they think about certain aspects of things and to reexamine themselves and their beliefs without even realizing it. I know, because of talking to you and reading sessions and stuff like that, that's what he was doing for me; but other people, of course, might not realize that on a conscious level, that he's really making ... it's positive. You know, on this level we use terms like positive and negative, and I don't mean it as being good or bad or evil or whatever, I just mean it's helping everybody examine themselves around him. (Elias chuckles)

It's not that I think I'm great or anything, because I realize I've got ... I mean I see that some of his things that I don't like are just looking at me back in the mirror. But that's okay. (Elias laughs) As long as I can make other choices, even though I have the same ... I don't know, we're a lot alike. It's really weird. We have kind of opposite ways of doing things, yet we're a lot alike.

What is his essence family? What is he? What is his essence family and his alignment?

ELIAS: Sumari.

GEORGIA: I'm sorry, what?

ELIAS: Essence family, Sumari.

GEORGIA: Really? Because he is ... okay. And his alignment?

ELIAS: Alignment, Vold.

GEORGIA: Okay. See, we are a lot alike. And what is his orientation?

ELIAS: Orientation, common.

GEORGIA: Really? Because he tends to seem to be so ... you know, his favorite saying is he's as emotional as a calculator. Which I know isn't true, because he's very emotional, really, but that's his favorite saying. (Laughing) He tends to work from a non-emotional viewpoint. That's his viewpoint of life, that when you're at work you work from that level, and mine is that you can't work with people without engaging emotions. And he's not unemotional, he just thinks he is. (Elias chuckles) So fine, because he gets angry, he gets upset, he gets all that, so he's not as unemotional as a calculator.

Anyways, I was just wondering if there was ... I guess my thing is to just pay attention, again, like you said before, and not worry about him. That looks like the easiest thing.

ELIAS: Be paying attention to your responses.

GEORGIA: I've let him take over my life a lot at work and at home because I'd be worried about work. But like I said, I've managed to make a different situation to work in, and I hope it comes out better. See, I'm using the word "better" again! I hope it will work out in working with him a little more distantly, and I can still look at right or wrong and not be so closely involved with it. (Elias chuckles)

Thank you for ... I know I've vented more than you have today. (Elias chuckles) You really honored me. I'm so emotionally involved in all this. I didn't think of it as right or wrong so much as different perspectives of how we view the world. But I can see what you're saying there, because the strongest aspects were in how we did things and specific little right and wrong aspects. I got angry, and I was ready to file a hostile work environment against the poor man, which was pretty drastic. I almost quit my job ... but I just don't know, it was hard.

Have you got anything else you want to share? It's almost time to go. Maybe you can give me ... keep reading, or is there any advice you can give me? It's almost time to leave.

ELIAS: Very well, my friend. I shall express to you to be paying attention to your responses, and in the moments that you experience this intensity or the beginning movements of intensity in your responses, with this individual or with other individuals, allow yourself to be paying attention to your emotional communication. Allow yourself to be recognizing that the emotional expression that is being offered in the moment is a communication that you are expressing to yourself. It is not a reaction to the other individual or their choices. It is an expression identifying what you yourself are creating within the moment.

Concern yourself not with the behavior and choices of the other individual, but allow yourself to be recognizing that you have drawn this individual and others to yourself purposefully to be reflecting to you aspects of yourself, beliefs that you hold, associations that you create automatically, and behaviors that YOU incorporate. This individual is a reflection to you of you.

Now; in this, recognize that the choice of objective expression may appear different, for you are each unique individuals and you are each creating your own individual expressions through the design of your individual unique perceptions. But beneath the objective outward expression, which may appear different as you have already identified within yourself, there is also a tremendous similarity in the underlying associations and subject matter. The manner in which you express it may be different, but the motivating force of energy is very similar. The beliefs are very similar.

Therefore, in the moments in which you recognize and are aware that you are creating an emotional expression in engagement with this individual, you may be, in that moment, turning your attention from outside of yourself and from the other individual to inside of yourself and to yourself, listening to your communication that you are offering to yourself in your emotional expression, questioning yourself in what YOU are creating in the moment. What is the expression of your behavior? What are you creating in automatic response to your beliefs and therefore limiting your choices of what you shall be creating? For, you are responding in automatic-ness to these beliefs that are held within you so very strongly.

Also allow yourself the recognition that you are intensifying this challenge and this interaction for you are also participating in this wave in consciousness addressing to duplicity. Therefore, the expressions become more intensely manifest. But as the expressions and the challenge is more intensely expressed, your own communication to yourself is also intensified, and that is expressed in the emotional offering.

GEORGIA: Okay. These are things I've been telling myself too, but hearing them from you really, really helps validate what I've been trying to say. You say it much more clearly, and you express things that I didn't think of but I sort of got the gist of it myself. Hearing you say it makes it stronger and helps reinforce it. Thank you.

ELIAS: You are very welcome, my friend.

GEORGIA: I really appreciate you talking to me. It's a little early now, but I know Mary's been talking a long time. I'm going to go ahead and let you go. I'm hungry - I haven't had breakfast yet! (Elias laughs) You can have a good bran muffin with me, if you want, and some cheese.

ELIAS: Ha ha! Very well.

GEORGIA: I really appreciate you sharing your time with me.

ELIAS: You are very welcome, my friend.

GEORGIA: Take care, and I love ya.

ELIAS: I shall be accepting of your invitation.

GEORGIA: All right!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha! I express to you tremendous affection, as always, and shall continue to be interactive with you and offering my expression of energy to be encouraging to you.

GEORGIA: Thank you, Elias. Goodbye.

ELIAS: This day, my friend, in great lovingness, au revoir.

GEORGIA: Au revoir.

Elias departs at 2:14 PM.

(1) Yep, Elias said "thisly." I would interpret that to mean in this context either "to thusly" or "thusly to," but I guess it's each reader's call!

(2) Georgia is also aligned with the Vold essence family.


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