Sunday, February 4, 2001 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael), Margot (Giselle), and Howard (Bosht).
Elias arrives at 2:10 PM. (Arrival time is 16 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning!

MARGOT: Good morning, Elias! (Elias chuckles) It's nice to hear your voice!

ELIAS: And how shall we proceed this morning?

MARGOT: I know that since you talked about merged essences in Castaic, everybody's got the same thing on their minds, so I'm just gonna go right in with that to start with. Is there anyone else here besides me?

ELIAS: (Chuckling) In this present moment within this particular focus?

MARGOT: Yes.

ELIAS: No.

MARGOT: Okay, but there have been before?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: I kind of got the idea that that's the way it works, and of course my mind then right away went to the situation with Joya and I. Has she been a part of my focus in this present time frame? (Pause)

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: That's what I thought as well. Now, I think we established the last time we talked that Lawrence is present in this time frame in the focus of Sweala?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: Now there's something that I want to throw back into this, and I threw it into the discussion, oh, three years ago at least when I told you that I had been told that I was the twin soul of Lowell Thomas. I know Lowell Thomas's name has come up with other people, and I haven't figured that one out yet and I don't need to. Has his essence been a part of my focus in this time frame? (Pause)

ELIAS: No - but yes, within another time framework.

MARGOT: Of my present focus now?

ELIAS: No.

MARGOT: No, okay! (Laughing) I just want to be sure I'm clear 'cause when we get to talking time frames, sometimes I get a little bit mixed up! (Elias chuckles) Could you tell me his essence name? (Pause)

ELIAS: I shall express the challenge to you to allow yourself in quiet moments to listen to your impression, and subsequently express to me.

MARGOT: Oh, one of those kinds of things! (Elias laughs) Okay, Elias, I'll try that! But then how do ... at one point, I believe you told me that the whole split-apart, twin soul thing relates to merged essences. Would that be so, or did I get that wrong?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, you are correct, for this may be the mergence of essences and the action of fragmentation. And in this, as essences merge and fragment what may be termed to be one essence through that mergence, that emerging essence may subsequently, in your physical terms, split apart, so to speak, or fragment again and become two essences, and in that action they are creating those essence twins, so to speak.

MARGOT: I see, and we would be speaking of the situation between Vic and Mary?

ELIAS: Correct.

MARGOT: Okay, I understand that one. I'll go back over this and see if I can bring even more understanding out of that, and we'll talk about it again, I'm sure!

I'd like to go to the other dimensional reality of Merluna now, and talk about that for a little while. In the book Seth Speaks, Seth tells about a very ancient group or culture or civilization that he calls Lumanians. I know some folks think that these were or are the same as the Lemurians. This isn't my sense, but could you enlighten me a little bit on what Seth was referring to and if it is the same?

ELIAS: I may express to you, this is not the same expression of what you are identifying with. This is the identification of another dimensional reality.

MARGOT: Okay, that's what I thought. I feel good about that. In questioning Sweala about a lot of things, I've come up with some things that I would like you to confirm with me - not everything! I'm getting to the point I trust myself on some things! (Laughing)

ELIAS: Ah! Very well! (Smiling)

MARGOT: I had quite a long chat with her one night at the first of January about the manner in which Merlunians procreate. What I got was that the choice to manifest offspring, so to speak, can be engaged by two people or a group of people or a single individual. Would that be correct?

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

MARGOT: I won't get into that whole thing, but it kind of ended up with the fact, or what I think is a fact, that the incoming manifestation that has been created in this way would determine - just as it does in this reality - the personality and preferences and all those things, much the same as we do it here.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARGOT: She and I also got into the fact that they don't feel the urge or the compulsion to procreate like we do, and that this is largely due to the fact that they ... I shouldn't make a statement like that; let me back up. One of the reasons that this would be true is that there is no actual death there, and so there isn't a need to procreate and increase the population. I hope I said that like I mean to.

ELIAS: I am understanding. Therefore, the motivation is different.

MARGOT: Yes.

ELIAS: You are correct.

MARGOT: Okay. Now, you told me that instead of death, they engage an altered state of being, and they still exist, and they're still a part of the group. As I thought about that, is there some sort of a change in color tone or something so that they can distinguish the ones who have gone into this altered state of being from somebody else in the group?

ELIAS: Not necessarily, for this distinguishment is unnecessary.

MARGOT: Oh! Well then, how do they know?

ELIAS: Let me express to you, Giselle, you are associating within the known elements of your reality, which creates an identification of individuals and singularity.

In this physical dimensional reality that you are speaking of, their reality does not incorporate the same type of expression of singularity and identification of individuality. It is much less expressed in terms of individuality in relation to manifestations.

In this, you have offered yourself information and evidences of this type of creation in allowing yourself the recognition of the creation of creatures or objects within their reality, that they project energy from self not necessarily in the identification of a separate entity, but as an expression of themselves to be functioning in a particular manner outside of themselves.

You view your creatures, your felines within your home, individually as separate entities from yourself, and yourself as a separate entity from them.

MARGOT: Yes.

ELIAS: You, in actuality, though you may accept the theoretical concept that you are creating these felines, do not in actuality believe within your perception that they are actual physical projections and manifestations of you, of your perception, correct?

MARGOT: Right.

ELIAS: Therefore, you create an expression of separation.

Now; within these individuals, so to speak - for even the term "individual" in relation to this other dimension is inaccurate, but within this discussion we shall refer to them as individuals - within their reality, there is less of this type of separation. Therefore, there is an understanding that should they be choosing to provide themselves, in your terms, with such a manifestation as a pet, so to speak ... this is all being related in your terms of your reality, you are aware.

MARGOT: Yes.

ELIAS: In this, as they choose to be providing themselves with this expression of companionship of a pet, so to speak, as an example, they hold the recognition that this is merely an outward projection of themselves, that they are directing their own energy into a projection which creates a manifestation to provide them with the type of expression that they wish to engage within a particular time framework - for they also do incorporate an expression of time, although it is a different type of expression of time than you incorporate within your physical dimension.

Now; in this, as they express less of an association of separation than do you, they also do not view themselves as individual manifestations in the same manner that you view yourselves, for this once again is an expression of separation. Therefore, in the choice, once again in your terms, to be disengaging, their projection of their energy is expressed in conjunction with the whole and not in an expression of separation. Therefore, there is no necessity for an actual identification of singular personalities or individuals.

There is a translation that is offered to you in your engagement of communication with individuals occupying that physical dimension that offers you some aspect of understanding as to the movement and the creations of reality within that physical dimension; but once again, it is a translation into known associations within your own physical dimension.

MARGOT: I do understand that, and I'm glad this came up because it helps me to comprehend some other things that I wasn't quite comprehending. Would this be why, for example, when I'm talking to Sweala that I kind of get the idea that she is Sweala and Grelko at the same time?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: Yes, okay. I can understand that. Then when she says - as she has affirmed to me - that there actually is no death there, that these altered states of being virtually remain forever, that would be true that they don't go away?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes, you are correct.

MARGOT: They're kind of like a consciousness energy?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: Okay. That's very helpful!

ELIAS: For it is unnecessary for their expression of actual disengagement of this physical dimension, for it incorporates less objective expression than your physical dimension. In this, there is no necessity for an action of transition.

MARGOT: Right; alright, I understand that. Thank you.

I mentioned to you, when I had the session with you in Castaic, that Sweala and Grelko had accompanied me on my trip from Arizona to California. And it was quite an amazing thing that I ... I guess the thing that I came to understand is that the dimension and continent of Lemuria has had many blinks-in and blinks-out, just as Earth has had.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARGOT: And so sometimes it is difficult for me to ... you know, I was asking a lot of questions. If I hadn't had the concept of blink-in and blink-out, I wouldn't have gotten any place with the whole thing - but I had that concept.

She was expressing to me, because I asked her to, that the community or colony of Merluna encompasses quite a large area, which in fact I had thought was just in a certain area in the Sedona area, and that in fact in the present blink-in (laughing) - I'm throwing around some stuff here that I don't know if I'm saying correctly, but I know you understand - that presently, in this present timeframe, the boundaries, so to speak, of Merluna would in fact extend nearly to the Arizona border with California. Would this be so?

ELIAS: Beyond.

MARGOT: Beyond; okay, let's get to the beyond part then.

HOWARD: Catalina?

MARGOT: That was Howard. (Elias chuckles) He's listening, of course. So, she was expressing to me - I'll go in this direction first - that there is a body of water between the present timeframe Merluna and the present timeframe of the continent of Lemuria. Would this be so?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: Okay. We've seen this place that she was showing me; we talk about it every time we make that trip over there, because there's this place which looks like it's a seabed - or has been or will be or whatever - and so I pretty well knew exactly what she was talking about. One of the things that became quite clear to me, I believe, is that since Merluna was the founder and instigator of the dimension and continent that is Lemuria, the two are quite a bit the same; things that I've learned about Merluna would also apply to the dimensional reality of Lemuria. (Pause)

ELIAS: Similar.

MARGOT: Similar, okay. I'll work on that a little more. And also, something else I've got here - is there actually a colony of Lemurians, like the colony of Merluna let's say, who live present day in Mount Shasta? (Pause)

ELIAS: In your translation, yes.

MARGOT: You told me that if I looked back at the myths that we've always thought were myths about these ancient civilizations, as we term them to be, that I would see that there's truth there. So that was my first little attempt of trying to separate the truth from what we refer to as myths, so thank you.

As I drove back to Arizona on my return trip, I had a very interesting thing occur in my peripheral reality - is that a good term? It's happened to me once before that I recall, and it was such a delightful experience all over again. As it got dark that night when I was on my way home, I saw in my periphery canyon walls, very tall canyon walls on each side of the highway and also up ahead of the highway. I knew in advance that the highway was going to make a little turn, 'cause I knew what was up ahead.

I was coming back on a night when there wasn't a moon; but I had seen the same thing in southern Utah when there was a moon, and it is just the most magical thing! I had this all the way home - I had it almost from the Arizona border all the way into Flagstaff - and it was just a fantastic thing! Now, when I'd seen it before like this, these tall canyon walls that stretch up from the very edge of the highway, I had had the impression that I was indeed picking up a former blink-in or something - I don't really have the words to express it - but that at one point there had actually been a huge land mass there, and I was seeing it. Can you describe for me better what I'm trying to describe myself? (Laughing)

ELIAS: I may express to you, Giselle, what you allow yourself to be viewing is the actual thinning of the veils of dimensional separations.

Now; in this, as I have stated previously, all of your physical dimensions that are created occupy the same space arrangement.

MARGOT: Yes.

ELIAS: Now; in this, the configurations of physical manifestations may be designed differently; but in association with your movement, you allow yourself to be viewing other physical manifestations which in actuality occupy the same space arrangement as do you, and you draw to your attention those expressions that shall be manifest upon planets, so to speak, which are similar to the design of your reality.

Now; what I am expressing in that is not necessarily that the physical dimension shall be expressed in actual similar manner to your physical dimension, but that it may incorporate physical matter in a similar manner. The planet itself may not necessarily be the same planet that you inhabit. In actuality, what you have presented yourself with is a viewing of an entirely different planet which occupies the same space arrangement as yours, so to speak, within a different solar system.

MARGOT: Oh! Yes, right, I understand.

ELIAS: In this, you may allow yourself an association in physical terms that it is superimposed, so to speak, upon your space arrangement. You draw to yourself these particular types of expressions for they are similar in their configuration of physical matter - not that their physical matter may be created in similar forms to your physical matter, but that they incorporate similar components of matter itself.

MARGOT: I understand. That reaffirms a lot that I have thought about other things in this space arrangement, especially a question that has come up for me recently as to this idea that we hold on to, that all of the planets and everything that we know about, the civilizations, are out there some place. But they're actually all right here, aren't they?

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct. Now; this is not to say that you may not be creating futurely manifestations and even civilizations, in your terms, that shall physically occupy other planets, so to speak, within your physical space arrangement, for you are already moving into that direction of creation.

But as to the interaction between yourselves as manifestations in a physical dimension and other beings, so to speak, that inhabit other physical dimensions, the manner in which you shall allow yourselves to make contact, so to speak, is not through the travel in space, but through dimensional space.

MARGOT: Yes, I understand that. That's very exciting! Thank you for that!

I'm sure you know that a group of us did a projection on New Year's Eve, trying to identify the so-called missing sixth chapter focus that we all share. That was very interesting that night because none of us got to the same place, of course - things always work out like that. But I myself projected to ancient Greece where I was a female and a street vendor. Can you confirm this for me?

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

MARGOT: Okay. I think that probably the group as a whole has decided that the missing sixth chapter is not in Greece, but that it is in Scotland, and it surrounds the presence of a person practicing magic. Is this so?

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

MARGOT: Okay, now we just have to find it! (Margot and Elias both laugh) Now, that same New Year's Eve group all seemed to share the concept that we have many books that contain a series of chapter focuses. This is true, isn't it?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: And the reason I'm asking about it is because Howard and I have been, in the past, very closely involved with a group in this area that we got together with in the late 1980s, and they seemed to have a similar sort of thing in which that group was a part of another book of chapters. Is this so?

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

MARGOT: Okay. Now we felt at that time that the intent of that book of chapters would be manifesting focuses in times of religious upheaval or movement. I'd like to ask you if that is true, and I'm gonna name three epics, so to speak, and I'd like to have you tell me if my sense is speaking correctly on this. One of these chapters was during the whole Christ epic. Is that so?

ELIAS: Correct.

MARGOT: Another group would be in Scotland during the Wars of the Roses?

ELIAS: Correct.

MARGOT: Another one would be encompassing the legend, so to speak, of King Arthur in Britain, about 500 AD, approximately?

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

MARGOT: Then there's one more that I have only found me in, I believe. I've been very curious about this for a long time because I have done quite a bit of research on it. Was I a monk in France in the precise area of the Monastery of Mount Saint Michel around the year 1100? (Pause)

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct, although this is not a chapter focus associated with those that you have been expressing presently.

MARGOT: Okay, 'cause it didn't have quite the same feel to me. The only reason that I kept thinking that I ought to include it was because these monks, I was told, evidently received the first manuscripts or scrolls to come into the western world from the east. Is that so?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: Okay, thank you! I worked very hard on that; in fact, I was gonna write a book about that at one time, and I may still! (Elias chuckles) Thank you, Elias!

ELIAS: You are very welcome, my friend!

MARGOT: (Laughing) Since I now know ... you know, how many times have I talked to you in the last three years and I never asked you until the last time I met with you about how many focuses I have in this dimension! (Elias laughs) It just didn't seem important, and I just didn't ever get around to it.

Now that I have, and I found out that I am indeed such an old soul, such an experienced one that I know everything (Margot and Elias laugh), I'd like to ask you about one that I did a bit of research about, and that is the man by the name of Erastus Snow who was an LDS(1) prophet in Utah who had four wives, and this would have been in the late 1800s time framework. Was that me? (Pause)

ELIAS: No.

MARGOT: No!

ELIAS: But I may express to you, you do hold a focus as one of the wives.

MARGOT: Oh! Okie doke! I'll work on that one now!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha!

MARGOT: I have felt very strongly that his mother, whose name was Lucina, was also my mother-in-law Elsa, in this focus. Is that right?

ELIAS: Correct.

MARGOT: Okay. I got something out of that, and I'll work on the rest. Thank you!

ELIAS: You are very welcome! You are quite busy!

MARGOT: (Laughing) Well, I have been in the past! (Elias laughs)

Gilbert and Sullivan! I tuned in on something - I may not be right in my assumption - but I tuned in on something one night when Howard and I watched a movie about the lives of those two men, and it was very interesting. The real interesting part of it, though, was that I hadn't realized that a piece of music I can get very emotional about is "The Lost Chord" that I believe Gilbert wrote. I realized as I watched that segment that I somehow know every note, every word of that song! I have played it many, many times on both the piano and the organ; this was when I much younger. And I get emotional about it, so I feel like I must have a connection there. Could you enlighten me a bit on that?

ELIAS: And this shall return us to the opening discussion of this day and this conversation, in the mergence of essences in one focus, and the participation of more than one essence at times within one focus, being the recessive or observing essence.

This is not in actuality a focus of your essence, but one in which you, as essence, have chosen to be observing within a time framework, not throughout the entirety of that focus.

MARGOT: Oh, that's an excellent example of that, then. So I was not the primary essence, but an observing essence for the man whose last name is Gilbert?

ELIAS: Correct. Now; in this, you may allow yourself the recognition of the assimilation of experience through the participation of observance, for your essence allows itself the fullness of the experience in its entirety within that time framework, so to speak, without directing the focus.

MARGOT: And isn't that an excellent way to gain that experience!

ELIAS: Quite!

MARGOT: Yeah! That's very interesting. That's a good example to me now. I also thought, when I was into this line of trying to make the connection there, it also occurred to me that the aspect I have who is an opera singer in Banff, Canada, had something to do with this musical team.

ELIAS: And what is your impression?

MARGOT: My impression was that this opera singer was acquainted with them, very much so, and very emotionally involved with them, I should say. And that the reason that I've made the connection - this is really off the top of my head, Elias - but the reason that I connected with that song was that she sang that song many times or was very emotionally involved with that song as well.

ELIAS: I may express to you that your impression is correct, although this is not the motivating factor in your emotional communication to yourself in relation to that composition.

MARGOT: Do you want to explain what my involvement was?

ELIAS: Your involvement is your mergence of essence in the observance of that focus of that individual. This is reinforced through the experience of the other individual as the singer, so to speak. But the actual creation of emotional communication is expressed not as reaction to this composition, but as communication to you in regard to your experience in that observance of that focus.

MARGOT: I see.

ELIAS: You are not reacting with emotion; you are communicating with emotion.

MARGOT: Right. We learned that just in the last little while, didn't we! (Elias chuckles)

I think we have a little bit of time here, not very much. But I'd like to go back to the question that you answered in regard to the focus in which I was a monk in France. In the research that I did, I did a little bit of hypnosis at one time on a segment of that focus. My sense is that there were four monks who translated this work from the east. The man who brought the scrolls, the manuscripts, from the east wanted to hold the information privately to himself, and he had the four monks blinded and their tongues cut out, and they were put into a boat that eventually found its way to the Isle of Wight. How much of that is valid?

ELIAS: I may express to you, your impression as to the occurrence of silencing these monks is correct. The impression concerning the boat is incorrect.

MARGOT: So they didn't end up on the Isle of Wight?

ELIAS: No, but remained within that location in seclusion, so to speak, or what you may term to be forced seclusion.

MARGOT: Yes, right. In the bit of hypnosis that I did in order to establish that story in my mind, I found myself on a beach after I was blind. And I was just so amazed, as I ran my fingers through the sand on the beach, that blind people do not necessarily live in darkness, because I was in total brightness!

ELIAS: Correct.

MARGOT: And I don't know why that has meant so much to me, but it has, 'cause it made it all so real, like I was there. Was this out of the ordinary, to be in brightness instead of in darkness when I was blind?

ELIAS: No. In actuality, you have offered yourself a viewing of value to yourself, for this offers you a recognition that your automatic association and belief concerning this blindness, in physical terms, is expressed within your perception as an individual that incorporates physical vision. But in actuality, the experience and perception of individuals that create this type of manifestation of what you term to be blindness, or the lack of physical vision, is not in actuality expressed in what you associate as darkness.

MARGOT: Amazing! (Laughs)

ELIAS: In actuality, individuals choosing this type of experience allow themselves vision in a different manner, but incorporate many expressions of vision in viewing much similar manifestations as do you.

MARGOT: Yes! Well, it was very interesting, and I think that's why I decided that that story was true because of just that little piece of it that I got.

We have just a little bit of time left, and I'd like to go back again to something we talked about the last time, and that's that you confirmed for me a TFE(2) I did in regard to a focus that I had with you in Scotland, where we both had dealt in sheep. I got the feeling at the time, although I couldn't pin down a time frame, I got the sense that it was very ancient Scotland, whatever that means. Would that be the chapter focus that we were talking about earlier, in Scotland?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: Thank you! Hey! (Elias and Margot laugh) Thank you so much!

ELIAS: Ha ha! Amazement at your accomplishment! Ha ha ha!

MARGOT: Yeah, yeah! Well, I think I'm gonna get back to you with more! (Elias laughs)

HOWARD: What time frame was that?

ELIAS: Ah! And this shall be an incorporation of your investigation, shall it not? Ha ha!

HOWARD: It is, absolutely! (Elias laughs)

MARGOT: 'Cause you aren't gonna tell us any!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! I shall confirm as you continue within your exploration. Ha ha ha!

MARGOT: Thank you so much! We'll talk to you again rather quickly.

ELIAS: Very well, my friends! I express tremendous affection to you, and great encouragement in your adventures.

MARGOT: Thank you very much!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! Move playfully in your exploration of these different dimensions and time frameworks. (Chuckles)

MARGOT: Yes, it is lots of fun.

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! To you this day, I express in great lovingness, au revoir.

MARGOT: Au revoir.

HOWARD: 'Bye.

Elias departs at 3:06 PM.

(1) LDS, Latter Day Saint, or Mormon.

(2) TFE, trans-focal encounter, or past-life regression.
 

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