Tuesday, January 2, 2001-1 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Sue (Catherine).
Elias arrives at 12:48 PM. (Arrival time is 27 seconds)

ELIAS: Good morning!

SUE: Good morning, Elias!

ELIAS: (Chuckling) And what shall we be discussing this day?

SUE: I want to talk to you about a problem I’ve been having.

Specifically, on Friday I left my backpack on the train, and I lost my purse and my keys and my glasses and various other objects, and I was really upset about it; not just because it’s a hassle to replace everything and it’s a loss of money, but because this is like the fourth time this year that I’ve lost things.

In most cases, it’s just leaving something. I left my purse in a shopping cart back in January, and that was returned to me. Then I lost my student I.D., and that was returned to me a couple of months ago. Then about a month ago, I left a shopping bag full of stuff on the train, and I didn’t get that back. And now I’ve lost my backpack and purse on the train. I just want to know why I seem determined to leave my possessions everywhere!

ELIAS: (Chuckling) First of all, what have you offered to yourself in impressions concerning these events? (Pause)

SUE: I really don’t know. I talked to somebody, and we think there are people dealing with matters of losing, in one way or another, and we connected it with the election and losing. I did notice that even though I was upset about losing my backpack and all of my stuff, that the timing was kind of good, like I don’t have classes starting for a couple of weeks, so I can replace everything; I have time to do that. So I mean, if I had to do something stupid, at least I picked a good time for it! (Elias chuckles) But other than that, I don’t really know what it means.

ELIAS: Now; let us examine these events and what these events invoke within you and how you associate with these types of actions.

First of all, you have created a type of imagery that you have chosen to be repeating — in your terms, creating a pattern, so to speak.

Also, in this repetition of creating a very similar type of action, you create a response to your choice in automatic associations. And what is the identification of one of the automatic responses that you engage in each of these events that have repeated? May you identify?

SUE: The only thing I can think of is that it’s a stupid thing to do, and why am I not paying attention to the world around me.

ELIAS: Quite. You automatically create an association within self of discounting of yourself and expressing to yourself that you have created some event that is unacceptable and bad. Therefore, you are automatically creating a judgment.

Now; let me express to you, as I have expressed previously and as you are aware, within the time framework of the previous year which you have experienced in your linear time framework, I have identified to you and to other individuals that you are all participating in this wave in consciousness — quite by choice — which addresses to the belief system of duplicity. I have also identified that this particular belief system may be associated with the Sumafi family.

Now; it matters not that individuals may be aligned with or belonging to any particular essence family that may be associated with any particular belief system, for within the movement of the wave in consciousness, certain aspects of that essence family[’s] qualities may be expressed in energy, and individuals may be aligning with those qualities purposefully in their participation with the wave, allowing themselves to address to certain expressions of that belief system which is being addressed to, and in this, creating an obvious and clear allowance for the individuals to view the affectingness of certain aspects of that particular belief system.

Now; as example of this type of movement, one of the qualities expressed by this essence family of Sumafi is repetition.

In addressing to this particular belief system of duplicity, this particular essence family expresses an intensity of energy in association with this wave in consciousness. Therefore, there are also aspects of energy projected within the wave that are expressions of the qualities of that particular essence family, one of which is repetition.

Individuals, in movement with this wave in consciousness, create their own imagery that they shall present to themselves, that they may view and examine, concerning their automatic responses in association with aspects of duplicity, and they may also align themselves with the energy projection of the family that is most closely associated with that particular belief system. In this situation, this would be identified as the Sumafi family.

Many individuals, within this time framework in which this particular belief system has been being addressed to, have chosen to be creating imagery within their individual experiences that appear objectively to them to be repetitious.

Now; surfacely and in relation to the manner in which you automatically associate and allow yourselves thought processes, you view this type of repetition with frustration, for you automatically discount yourself and the point of why you are creating the repetition.

The creation of the repetition is that you allow yourself objectively an emphasis upon your automatic responses, and as you continue to create the same automatic responses and are not paying attention to what you are creating and are not listening to the communication that you are offering to yourself, you continue to present that communication to yourself repeatedly.

I may express to you, within mass belief systems, you associate quite strongly with the method of repetition in relation to learning.

Now; as I have stated previously, you do not manifest within this physical dimension to be learning or teaching. But this is a stronghold of your reality, for the beliefs that are expressed in those subjects and those identifications of learning and teaching are quite intensely aligned with within your societies. Individuals align with these ideas, these beliefs, quite strongly. They are automatic in their association within you individually, and in conjunction with the concepts of learning and teaching, you incorporate certain concepts or ideas of methods that are the most efficient in facilitating these actions of learning and teaching.

There are many expressions that are being created in the one action of this type of imagery.

In your individual example of losing, so to speak, personal belongings and repeating that action, you present to yourself a communication in relation to your own movement in addressing to aspects of duplicity, in an involvement of many more expressions than merely an automatic discounting of yourself or an irritation or frustration in the action itself and what you view you must be accomplishing in replacement of these belongings.

For in actuality, you offer yourself many communications. One, in association with repetition, is beneficial to gaining your attention. Repetition is beneficial to the facilitation of your learning process. Repetition offers you a method in which you may allow yourself to be examining your actions and choices and automatic responses more efficiently.

These are your associations. They are not necessarily the situation, but they are the associations that you hold in relation to your individual beliefs.

In this also, your perception draws to it all of the other communications that you are offering to yourself — your emotional communication, your assessment of yourself in your abilities or your lack of abilities, one being your ability in the function of attention and memory, in which you create this type of action of losing an object, and your automatic association is that you are not paying attention enough and that you are discounting of your ability of recall.

For were you engaging memory and attention coupled together, in your assessment, you would not leave the object in a particular location. You would allow yourself to be paying attention and recalling that you have carried that object with you, and therefore you shall retain it as you move on to a new location, correct?

SUE: Yes.

ELIAS: Therefore, there is an automatic association with your lacking in certain abilities and expressions.

Let me express to you, most of the associations that you create and most of the communications that you create in each of these actions are not expressed through thought. You do not turn your attention to the identification and evaluation of all that you are creating through a thought process. But this is not to say that all of these expressions are not occurring, for they are.

There are many, many, many associations that are being expressed in each of these events individually.

Now; another aspect of association which is automatically expressed is the association of being the victim of yourself.

SUE: Yes. That struck me really strongly, that this is not a case of people taking things from me. I mean, in some cases, they have given things back that they found, and in some cases they haven’t, but it was something that I initially did.

ELIAS: Correct.

SUE: That was really clear. A victim of myself ... yeah, that says a lot of things that I see about myself. I don’t think of myself as a victim of other people, but I often see myself as my own victim.

ELIAS: Quite.

In this, let me express to you, you offer this type of imagery to yourself to emphasize that association to yourself, and offer yourself information that this is an automatic response and that you do hold choice. For the expression of victim is the association within your perception that you do not hold choice, or that you do not view what your choices are.

In this, I may express to you, many, many, many individuals throughout your globe are presenting this particular challenge to themselves quite strongly, for you have moved yourselves in many of your societies into an alignment with psychological expressions in which you camouflage your individual association with being a victim.

Therefore, you objectively express to yourselves that you do not participate in that type of action or that type of role. You do not view yourselves individually as being a victim, and you view this term in quite negative associations, and you associate that identification of a victim as a weakness. Therefore, you express to yourselves quite strongly objectively that you do not participate in that type of role or action.

But I shall express to you that one large aspect of the belief system of duplicity IS the expression of victim, and although many, many, many individuals do not view themselves as creating that role or participating in that role or offering energy to that expression, you do, and you do not allow yourselves to view how you are expressing that automatically within your movements and within your creations and your associations within yourselves.

Therefore, you continue to create that type of expression, for it is an automatic response. It requires no thought — and no association in action, many times — to be creating this particular role within the individual self as a victim.

Therefore, you have quite creatively and quite efficiently engaged in types of imagery that shall allow you a clear and objectively obvious and simple example in how you automatically create these associations.

This in actuality is quite beneficial, for if you are not recognizing your automatic responses to your creations and your choices, you shall also not allow yourself the recognition of your freedom of choice, and therefore you shall hinder your movement into an expression of freedom.

Once you allow yourself to notice what you are creating, and you allow yourself to be paying attention and familiarizing yourself with your own individual automatic responses, this movement in itself offers you more choices.

SUE: Okay. So in this case, what I’ve shown to myself is that I don’t make myself a victim of others, and I’m not even making myself a victim of circumstances. It’s a really clear case of making myself my own victim, of doing things to myself, and that that’s kind of a pattern that I need to be aware of?

ELIAS: Yes.

SUE: Okay, that makes sense to me. That makes a lot of sense. Yeah, because I ... yes! (Laughing)

ELIAS: In this, also allow yourself to view the challenge and the difficulty that you present to yourself each time you create this movement in being a victim to yourself. Each time any individual moves themselves into this association, this role, this experience, this expression of viewing themselves or perceiving themselves to be a victim of any expression, be it through circumstance or other individuals or of yourself, you deny yourself choice, and therefore you create difficulty in your movement.

In this situation, you have presented to yourself quite clear objective imagery in which you may identify your movement into the association of a victim of your own creations, and how you subsequently create thickness, difficulty, hindrances, and much more of a laborious expression of energy in relation to what you have created as the victim, correct?

SUE: Yes. Yeah, after it happened, I was upset, too, because back when I lost my purse last winter, I thought, gee, I should keep like one credit card in my purse, and I should keep some cash around the house and things like that, and I didn’t do any of it. So when this happened, I found myself with no active money, and even though I had money in the bank, I couldn’t get to it, and I was very upset because I felt that if I had learned from that other experience, I wouldn’t have been in as much trouble this time around.

ELIAS: Ah! But let me offer to you a different perspective upon what you have created. For in this, once again, you are automatically chastising and discounting of yourself, expressing to yourself [that] if you had followed your ideas in association with these physical expressions of duplicate items, or reserving some expression of finance or money in an accessible location, or not carrying with you all of these items continuously in the pouch, you would have offered yourself what? An expression of protection.

SUE: Yeah, and I think that’s why I didn’t do it last winter. I remember thinking, well, I could do that, and then I thought no, I don’t like being paranoid, because if I do that, then I’m assuming this will happen again.

ELIAS: Quite!

SUE: So I didn’t do that, but then it happened again anyway, so that just made me more upset. I felt like I should have listened to those impulses.

ELIAS: Ah, but these expressions were not impulses. This was a thought process that you engaged in association with the creation itself, with the choice itself to be a victim and the denial of your choices, and your automatic response in that moment was a thought process in association with protection.

Now; you have chosen objectively to not be creating that movement into an expression of protection, recognizing that that type of movement and expression merely reinforces what you are creating.

But you also stopped at that point and did not allow yourself to be listening to the communication that you were offering to yourself in association with this role that you were creating as the victim.

Therefore, you present yourself with partial information, and you acknowledge yourself that you are not reinforcing or creating an additional expression of energy in the association with protection, recognizing what that expression may create.

But you also were not continuing in that recognition and engaging the tool of the thought process to be defining and identifying the other information that you were offering to yourself in the event through other avenues of communication.

Your thought process is designed as an objective tool to be helpful to you in defining and identifying the other avenues of communication that you offer to yourself, of which you engage many.

In this, your attention held to the event and turned to the discounting of self, stopping in a furthering of discounting of self and allowing yourself not to engage the movement of protection, but holding in merely viewing the event, and not in actuality paying attention to the message that you are offering to yourself in your choice. Are you understanding?

SUE: I think so, yeah. ‘Cause I didn’t look at what had really caused ... why I’d really done it to begin with. It’s interesting, too, that when I lost my purse back in January, I remember feeling very strongly like, “Well, things like this don’t happen to me, and if they do, then it works out well.” And sure enough, that evening, somebody called me and got my purse back to me. So it was like even though I felt that I’d been my own victim, I felt that somebody else was going to help me out and get the stuff back to me.

ELIAS: Quite, and rescue you!

SUE: Yeah, and this time I kind of felt like my luck had run out, and I also felt like ... it upset me that I just didn’t think that was going to happen this time, and it hasn’t happened, and I feel like I’m not trusting myself to get the stuff back to me or to resolve it as easily as last time.

ELIAS: Ah, but this offers you another aspect of information.

For in part, you express to yourself, “I do not create in this manner, and shall I create in this manner, I shall also resolve this situation.” But then you move into the expression of associating that another individual or some action outside of you shall rescue you and shall create the favorable solution.

In this, you chose to not be listening to the message. The message is expressing to you an identification that you do at times create this role and association of victim with yourself, in relation to yourself being a victim of yourself.

Now; in being a victim of yourself, you also look to yourself to resolve that situation — or in your terms, rescue yourself from this role of the victim — and the manner in which you create this is to be recognizing those automatic actions and responses that create your association with being a victim of yourself, and in that, allow yourself to recognize your choices. And in this, how you rescue yourself is not to be creating the association of the victim.

But let me express to you also in quite physical [and] what you may term to be practical terms, recognizing that you and other individuals are addressing to automatic responses, and therefore at times you may be creating another automatic response, and you may view yourself to be in a similar experience once again.

Now; in these types of experiences, rather than expressing to yourself the other automatic responses once again and creating the repetition once again of discounting yourself, of becoming frustrated in your actions and expressing irritation within yourself that you have once again created a similar expression, allow yourself to stop and listen to what you are communicating to yourself. Allow yourself to acknowledge the message.

Once the message is acknowledged, it is unnecessary to be continuing to present it to yourself.

SUE: Okay, I see. So in something like this, if I create this for myself again, then getting upset again and automatically thinking, “Oh, I’m stupid. I’m not paying attention,” is not gonna help.

ELIAS: Correct.

SUE: As opposed to saying, “Oh, I’m thinking the same thing again. I’m telling myself I’m stupid.” That’s what I need to do, is pay attention to it.

ELIAS: Quite. I am not expressing to you that you may be creating this same type of imagery ...

SUE: (Laughing) I certainly hope not!

ELIAS: ... but you may be engaging another type of imagery that is expressing the same message.

SUE: Yeah, because another thing that happened on Friday is, a friend came down to help me with getting my car started because I have a problem with that too, having lost my keys. He has another friend, a guy that I met through him and that I thought was kind of attractive in a way, not wonderfully attractive, but kind of like a nice guy, and I had mentioned that I wouldn’t mind dating him, and my friend — this was like a couple of weeks ago — mentioned that the guy is getting married soon.

That just seemed to me like once again repeating another pattern of, it seems to me that I’m always attracted to men who are unavailable and not interested in me, and it’s getting to the point where it just seems like a joke. I mean, when he said the guy was getting married, I thought, “Oh man, that’s exactly what I always do. I always go for guys that aren’t interested in me.” So I guess that’s the same thing of immediately discounting myself, and I need to like pay attention to that response, and that’s why this keeps happening to me?

ELIAS: Yes, you are quite correct in this.

Let me express to you, many times what you create in this type of movement is an expectation and an anticipation of the pattern or the repetition itself, and therefore you hold your concentration in this direction, and this is what you shall create.

And you continue to create this circle in which you reinforce the discounting of yourself, and you project energy outwardly, draw[ing] to yourself situations, circumstances, other individuals that shall reinforce what you identify as this pattern, for this is what you are creating within your energy moment by moment.

And you continue to reinforce those expectations and those projections of anticipation; not of what you want, but more in reflection of what you expect in your capacity to be expressing your abilities.

You expect that you are lacking in your ability to be creating what you want. Therefore, as your concentration is continuously held in that expectation, this is what you create.

And you reinforce further objectively in your expression of, “Ah yes, of course. This is what I always create, and I am expecting of this type of action to be occurring, for this is my ability, to be creating a lack.” (Chuckling) Which once again is another form or another expression of the role of the victim.

SUE: Yeah, it really is. You know, when you mentioned that, I just thought, “Oh, this is becoming a joke.” It was just so obvious to me that this had happened a million times before, and that I’m creating it over and over. I just thought, “Well, where do I go from here?” I mean, how on earth do I break the cycle?

ELIAS: By paying attention to you, and allowing yourself to question within yourself what you refuse to allow yourself permission to express. What within you do you continue to deny and express to yourself that you cannot create and that you cannot have? What outside of yourself appears to you to be the dictate of that? These are the keys.

SUE: I know that I deny myself the ability to meet men and to have relationships with them. That’s the area where I totally see myself as my own victim. I remember seeing that years ago with a friend. She had been dumped by some guy that she liked, and in fact I saw her get dumped by a few guys while I knew her, and every single time, she would blame the guy. Right away she would say, “Oh, he’s an asshole. He’s such a creep.” I remember realizing that when men rejected me, I immediately assumed that it was my fault, and I remember thinking at the time that we were both wrong. We were just wrong in different ways.

ELIAS: You are not allowing yourselves to view your own abilities, and that you create all that is occurring within your reality. If you are desirous of a relationship with another individual, this is created through your perception.

Now; in creating this action and this participation with another individual, where you present yourself with difficulty and challenge is that you do not recognize that this IS a creation of your perception and that YOU are creating it.

You automatically move in associations of certain aspects of the design of a relationship between yourself and any other individual as being dictated by the other individual; that you do not create the entirety of the relationship. You merely “co-create” or partially create a participation in this relationship.

Therefore, it is partially dependent upon your choices and your creation of your reality and your perception, but it is partially dependent upon the choices and the movement of another individual, and this is incorrect.

SUE: So you’re saying that really, when I create a relationship of any kind, I create it totally on my own in some way?

ELIAS: Yes. You create the entirety of it.

(Firmly) Therefore, hear what I am expressing to you. Allow yourself to evaluate and question within yourself what you deny yourself permission to create as based upon the dictates of another individual.

SUE: Okay. Oh, I think I see what you mean — which parts of a relationship do I think are not working because the other person won’t let them work.

ELIAS: Correct, and therefore you deny your choices. You express to yourself, “Another individual is creating a choice, which in that choice, I therefore hold no more choice. I am subject to the choice of that individual, and I therefore deny myself my own choice to be creating what I choose, what I want, for my choice is dependent upon the choices of another individual.”

This is incorrect. Your choices are not dependent upon another individual’s choices, nor are their choices dependent upon yours.

(Intently) You choose to create the entirety of the scenario — the relationship, the movement, the REALITY.

You do not engage certain actions, certain movements, or the creation of certain expressions within your reality, for YOU are denying those choices to yourself. It is not a situation in which they are being denied to you by the choices of other individuals.

SUE: Okay, I see what you mean. That’s really interesting, and I’m gonna have to like think about that! (Elias laughs) On the one hand, I do get what you’re saying, and on the other hand, it kind of goes against what we generally believe about the world, so it’s going to take some thinking about.

ELIAS: You are quite correct. I may express to you, you may be, if you are so choosing, engaging interaction with Michael in association with this subject matter, and he may be offering you his perspective also in this subject matter. For I may express to you, presently Michael has allowed himself to assimilate an objective understanding of this concept that I have presented to you in this conversation.

SUE: Okay, I’ll do that. That sounds like a good idea.

I have one more question, just a small one, of something else that happened over the weekend. I talked to you before about how I seem to get information from coincidences, and I have one that happened, and I’m not sure what it’s supposed to be telling me.

I was reading an article in a magazine from a couple of months back that was written by the woman who designed the Vietnam War Memorial in Washington, and she described how she designed that, and she also mentioned that a couple other statues had been added to it that were not part of her design that had been done by a sculptor, by somebody else. And I don’t know anything about the memorial, and I sat there thinking, “Oh, those statues sound terrible, and it sounds like the memorial would have been better off without them.”

Then later that evening, I was reading a book by Tom Wolfe where he was ... one chapter of it was talking about a particular sculptor who sounded very interesting, and then he mentioned that the sculptor was the one who designed the statues that got added to the war memorial, and he said some stuff about the woman who designed the memorial that was kind of negative.

And I just thought it was very weird that this subject that I knew nothing about and hadn’t been very interested in, that I came across this woman’s name and read her article, and then read somebody else’s opinion of her, all in the same day. I just wondered if you could comment on that.

ELIAS: View what you have presented to yourself.

You have presented to yourself information of imagery in which one individual creates an expression of their individual creativity. Another individual is drawn to this expression in energy, and offers a contribution to the same subject matter. But each individual views their expression of creativity individually as the individual focus, and as more expressive exclusively to the subject matter.

In this, you offer yourself information concerning perceptions of individuals. For I may express to you, you all engage in this type of association within your perceptions in different moments in which you isolate your perception of yourself, creating a holding within your individual energy in not wishing to be participating in an expression of cooperation, so to speak, with other individuals. This is expressed in judgment.

Now; objectively it appears that the judgment is projected to or concerning another individual and their expression, and this moves us once again into what we have been discussing this day.

For your outward projection of energy, your expression outwardly, is a reflection of what you are expressing inwardly and what you are creating, and the limitations or the judgments that you are placing within self.

Each of these individuals expresses outwardly a discounting of or a type of negativity, so to speak, or judgment concerning another individual or each other, and in actuality, those expressions are their judgment to self.

And once again, what are both of these individuals expressing? Rather than the appreciation or the acceptance of the contribution in cooperation of creative expression in conjunction with one particular subject matter, but the victimization of self.

In the discounting of the other individual’s expression, what is in actuality being expressed is the discounting of their own individual creative expression as not enough or adequate enough to stand alone, and this is the association once again of the victim.

SUE: Yeah. That’s interesting because she seemed to see it as an intrusion on her work, and the other description I was reading seemed to see her work as kind of not very good to begin with, and that the intrusion was actually more expressive of the whole sentiment of it. So I guess actually now that I think about it, both the main memorial and the statues would appeal to different people, and that kind of ... I don’t know.

ELIAS: Quite.

SUE: That gives more expression to the feelings of all the people involved, because of the two different modes of expressions.

ELIAS: Quite, and offers a complement in creativity.

SUE: Right, okay.

ELIAS: But this is not what is being expressed and viewed within the individual perceptions, for they are projecting the lack of acceptance within self and the lack of acceptance of their own creative expressions and projecting that outwardly, associating themselves in this role of the victim of intrusion.

SUE: Right. Because people have very definite ideas of what constitutes art and what doesn’t, and especially artists get upset about it, (Elias chuckles) over having an opposite view, I guess. Okay, thank you.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome.

SUE: Well, I guess that’s it. I’ve got enough to think about for a while!

ELIAS: Quite! (Laughing)

SUE: Thank you very much. That was very helpful because I was just so upset on Friday night. I just thought, why do I keep doing this? Now I think I have a much better idea of why, and I can try to avoid doing it in the future, or at least know why if I do!

ELIAS: (Laughing) I shall continue to be quite encouraging to you and offering my expression of energy with you as you continue, and I anticipate our meeting futurely!

SUE: Yes! I’ll see you in a few weeks.

ELIAS: Very well. To you I offer great affection, and express this day, au revoir.

SUE: Au revoir. Thank you.

Elias departs at 1:55 PM.

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