Wednesday, December 8, 1999   © 2000 (Private/Phone)
Participants:  Mary (Michael) and Daryl (Ashrah).
Elias arrives at 4:48 PM. (Arrival time is 14 seconds)

ELIAS:  Good afternoon!

DARYL:  Hi there!  As you know, I’ve been busy having fun, moving more into my new angle of perception and addressing some of my automatic responses.  One thing I’m interested in talking to you about is my fear, in that one expression of it, which was very much feeling physically that it was pushing down on me from the upper right, has receded, and I can feel other fear in the background.

But what has really been affecting me the past couple weeks is that I’m having dreams where I get very scared, and it’s not necessarily that anything in the dream itself is scary, but I am very scared, which is pretty much like my life is, where nothing is really going on to scare me, but I’m scared.  I was wondering, what’s going on with that?

ELIAS:  Very well.  Now; let us examine the situation, and also be recalling what we have been discussing previously, in that you are not in actuality allowing yourself, in your terms, to be stuck, but you are continuing within your movement — and we have discussed this in our previous meeting — in your physical manifestations.

Now; as to the imagery that you present yourself with in dream imagery, let me express to you, this is also quite purposeful AND is beneficial, for you are allowing yourself to be expressing in dream state in like manner to waking state.  This is purposeful, for it creates a safe environment.  It allows you to be expressing and actualizing and feeling the intensity of elements that you are addressing to in fearfulness and in movement through fear.

Therefore, what I am expressing to you is that you shall allow yourself the opportunity within this dream state to be experiencing the same or very similar types of expressions of fear that you would be experiencing in waking state, but are not.

Now; this may carry over, in your terms, into waking state partially, for it is very familiar.  You recognize and identify these feelings quite easily.

Therefore, as you identify this action within your dream imagery, as you awaken, you also are identifying the familiarity of that action and of these feelings.  Therefore, it to an extent triggers those waking feelings, which hold tremendous familiarity to you.

Let me also express to you that within the initial throes of this forum of these sessions within this phenomenon, I offered much interpretation of dream imagery and we engaged in much discussion in conjunction with the subject matter of dream activity, and at that time point, I offered to many individuals an explanation very similar to what I am expressing to you — that it is quite common to be engaging your dream state within physical focus and allowing yourself to be experiencing certain elements of your creations in the dream state, which is what you would term to be a safe environment, and in that, as you are in actuality contending with merely yourself, within your perception, you allow yourself much more of a feeling of security.

Therefore, you may act out and experience extreme scenarios within your dream state, which allows you to lessen the experience within your waking state, for it removes much of the intensity from your waking state and places the experience in more of a subjective expression, which you afford yourself much more comfort and security and safety within.  Are you understanding?

DARYL:  Yeah, and I have noticed that I feel safer in waking state.  One thing I have also felt is that it allows me to move somewhat into this new angle of perception, and see the fear from a new angle.

ELIAS:  Quite, for what you are creating is symbolically a type of removal of this energy of fear from yourself.  You are not removing it entirely in actuality, but the expression is a type of removal in which you place this expression of fearfulness away from your waking objective awareness to a point that you may view it as you would view the expression of another individual.  You disassociate yourself objectively, in a manner of speaking, partially, and therefore it allows you the opportunity to view the energy differently, and this also dissipates the intensity of the experience.

DARYL:  Okay.  A couple of times when I’ve awakened with these dreams and felt scared, I have the concept, although not exactly the memory, that I’ve been switching focuses and experimenting with switching focuses, and that this has something to do with the fear.  I don’t know if it’s my fear focuses that I’m interacting with.  What’s going on there?

ELIAS:  Yes, you are correct.  This allows you to be moving into a mergence temporarily with another focus, and experiencing certain elements of fear through their experience.

This also is quite purposeful in the movement that you are creating presently, for this also offers you a situation of removal, in which although you are participating and allowing yourself to be experiencing in a mergence with another focus, you are also creating a type of removal of an element of your awareness, which creates a thin separation and allows you to view this type of expression of fearfulness slightly differently, and as I have stated, this dissipates much of the intensity as you engage waking objective awareness.

DARYL:  Okay.  Regarding the other focuses, I want to check with you about one that seems to me to be another fear focus.  It’s a female who is a settler in early America, perhaps in the 1600s, and I got the name Miriam. (Pause)

ELIAS:  Physically focused name, Marion.

DARYL:  Marion, okay.

ELIAS:  Yes, you are correct.

DARYL:  And would that be around the 1600s?

ELIAS:  Yes.

DARYL:  Okay, and I see her in a gray dress with a very broad white collar that covers her shoulders, and I got the impression that she’s part of a very strict religious community, or actually more involved than that, such as an active nun or something.

ELIAS:  The individual engages very strong expression of religious belief systems, you are correct, but would not be a member of clergy.

DARYL:  Okay, because I had a very strong interaction with her last night before I went to sleep, and I have this feeling that she’s very repressed and she has fear issues regarding God and other people and her own self, like I do, and that she’s literally scared of her own thoughts.

ELIAS:  Yes, you are correct.

DARYL:  Okay, and the contact with her was very intense, the way it has been with William.  It’s like we have a very direct emotional connection on the level of the fear, and it’s quite something!  It’s like being able to be inside her and feel her fear.  So that’s kind of what I’m doing in the dreams when I’m switching focuses?

ELIAS:  Right.

Now; in this, recognize your response also to this individual, that you may allow yourself an objective awareness in application of the same measure of compassion and understanding to self as you afford to this individual, for this also is an element of the equation, so to speak.

DARYL:  Okay, that’s powerful stuff. (Elias chuckles)

I’ve been reading recently about the steps of noticing, recognizing, and addressing to, and my understanding is that I would be in step three, in addressing to automatic responses?

ELIAS:  Yes.  There are elements that you continue to engage within step two, but you shall also realize that you have moved into what we identify as step three — in the addressing to — as you offer yourself objective validation of this movement, for your conflict begins to lessen.

You ARE experiencing a lessening of conflict and a lessening of the expression of fearfulness, and in this action, it is an objective validation to you that you ARE engaging the action of addressing to these issues, and as you address to these issues, your conflict shall dissipate more and more, and eventually you shall move into the area of acceptance, which is step four, in “it matters not.”

DARYL:  Yeah, one day I had what seemed to be glimmerings of what it would be like to be in step four, and it was really different, and really pleasant and peaceful, in a way.

ELIAS:  Quite.

Now; this is not to say that you shall not experience intensity of emotional expressions once you have moved into acceptance, for it is not an elimination of your emotional qualities.  But you shall recognize that these are merely expressions of yourself, and that you may choose to direct them or NOT direct them in any manner that you desire, and it matters not.

DARYL:  Yeah, ‘cause it wasn’t that the emotion was gone, it was just that things were different, and I’ve already experienced that to some degree through this new angle of perception.  It’s like everything is just a little bit different.  It’s not this big glaring difference.  It’s just kind of a subtle thing.

ELIAS:  Quite.  This is the recognition.  This is a movement into acceptance, and this is an area in which many individuals engage a lack of understanding or misunderstand what is being offered in information to them.

In that, as you move into an expression of acceptance, there is an acceptance within self, and therefore there is less of an intensity in sharpness in your experiences, for within you, there is a genuine expression underlying of it matters not, and this IS the acceptance.

But this is not to say that you shall not continue to hold intense expressions of emotions, or that you may discontinue your thought processes concerning any particular subject that may be moving in conjunction with your emotional expressions, or that you may not hold an opinion of your situation or circumstances or movement.

You shall continue to express opinions and express emotions and express thoughts in any given movement that you choose, but you shall also simultaneously hold this genuineness of it matters not, and the KNOWING that you may or may not — whichever you choose — alter the situation or the energy or the expression or the behavior within any moment, for you accept and trust that you hold the ability to be creating that action, and you allow yourself the choice — that you may choose to be altering your experience or you may choose to continue within a particular experience, even within an expression of uncomfortableness, knowing that you hold the ability to be altering or changing of the experience, but purposefully choosing not to be altering the experience, for it matters not.  This is the difference.

What you have experienced previously within your focus is the lack of allowance of choices, and therefore, as you experience fear, you also create a role with yourself of victim, succumbing to that fearfulness, viewing yourself to hold no choices and to hold no ability to alter your reality.

This is the point in the movement that you are creating, that you allow yourself to move into this expression of it matters not, for this offers you the opening to all of your choices and the recognition of your abilities, and this allows you to choose objectively, intentionally, which direction you shall move into within your experiences.

I shall express to you, futurely, as you move through this issue of fear and you move into the acceptance and trust of self, you may be choosing quite purposefully and intentionally to be experiencing temporarily another expression of fearfulness, but you shall experience it much differently, for it shall not grip you, and you shall hold the underlying knowing continuously throughout the experience that this is merely an experience and that you hold the ability to be altering of that experience within ANY moment that you are choosing.

DARYL:  That would certainly be different than what I’ve experienced in the past!

ELIAS:  Quite, and this IS what you are moving into.

DARYL:  We talked somewhat before about me choosing purposefully to experience this separation and the fear and duplicity, and I gather from our discussion then that it was part of my intent to work through this, so to speak, and come out the other side.  Would that be considered a personal intent?

ELIAS:  Yes.

DARYL:  I guess one of the things I’m asking is, it seems to involve all these other focuses who have this similar experience, or at least I’ve found three of them that have similar kinds of experiences.  Is this something that involves many focuses and I’m kind of wrapping it up, like they would be chapter focuses and this is an ending to it?  Can you explain it a little better to me?

ELIAS:  I shall explain.

Now; let me offer to you, this is not a situation of chapter focuses, in addressing to this issue of fear within this focus.

Yes, it is an element and a direction of your individual intent, your personal expression of intent, as you state this to be, but it is not necessarily an involvement of chapter focuses in this particular expression of energy, in the projection of fear.  But as I have stated previously, all of your focuses are interactive with you, and all focuses lend energy to each other continuously.

Now; you quite purposefully draw to your attention within this focus those other focuses of essence which shall be beneficial to you to be objectively assessing.

In this, you draw yourself to specific focuses of essence that you may glean information from that shall be helpful to you in this focus in the accomplishment of your objectives, so to speak, within your intent in this particular focus.

Therefore, you allow yourself to be merging with particular focuses.  You allow yourself to be accessing experiences and information of particular other focuses, that you may also allow yourself a more efficient movement in THIS focus in addressing to this particular issue and the dismantling of this particular shrine.

DARYL:  So that intent has to do mostly with this focus, and I’m drawing on the experiences of the other focuses that have related experiences.

ELIAS:  Yes, you are correct.

DARYL:  Okay, so the chapter focuses would have to do with some other kind of ongoing intent?

ELIAS:  This would be, in this focus, related to the action of this shift.

DARYL:  Okay, so one of the reasons that I chose to go through this in this focus is directly related to my intent within the shift?

ELIAS:  Yes, you are correct.

DARYL:  Could you express some to me about my intent within the shift?  We haven’t really talked about that head-on.

ELIAS:  I have offered you partial information in this direction previously, and I shall continue.

As you address to self and you allow yourself to be moving into acceptance and trust of self, there is a tremendous movement that you are participating within in conjunction with this shift in consciousness.

Within this shift, as I have stated many times, there is much trauma which is being experienced, and within much of the trauma that is experienced are tremendous expressions of fear.  The fear is quite a motivating factor, so to speak, in the movement which is associated with this shift in consciousness.

Therefore, I may express to you first of all, in a subjective manner, you are QUITE affecting in your intent in conjunction with this shift in consciousness as you continue to be addressing to this particular shrine and its dismantling, for this is directly affecting subjectively in a movement of lending energy to a dismantling of fear as associated within the trauma of this shift.

Objectively, you also create a movement through your intent in conjunction with the intent of this shift in consciousness and your participation within it, for objectively you offer yourself the opportunity to be moving through this issue, dismantling this shrine, and taking note, step by step, of how you are accomplishing, and as you continue and you move into the expression of acceptance and trust of self, you may offer helpfulness to other individuals that are experiencing objectively very similar expressions.

DARYL:  Okay, because I’ve had this sense lately that I’m beginning to engage my intent more, especially objectively.

ELIAS:  In an objective expression, you are correct.

But I shall express to you also that objectively, you have not quite allowed yourself yet the readiness to be extending your energy outwardly to other individuals to be overtly helpful in conjunction with this expression of fearfulness.

Were you to be moving into that type of expression within this now, you may merely confuse yourself, and also create a movement of slipping into the expressions automatically of this fearfulness once again.

DARYL:  Yeah, because I know I’m not out of the fear enough myself to do that yet.

ELIAS:  Quite.

DARYL:  I also sense that as the fear continues to decrease, then I will be able to go more into my natural expression of the orientation of soft in terms of interaction, and that will start changing also.

ELIAS:  You are quite correct.

DARYL:  Okay.  Another thing I wanted to check with you on is, am I emotionally focused?

ELIAS:  Yes.

DARYL:  Okay, because I had some denial going on around that, because I couldn’t deal with the thought of being emotionally focused!

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha!

DARYL:  So I just kind of rejected it out of hand, even though my right shoulder pain had been trying to get my attention.

ELIAS:  And I shall express to you that this is not bad! (Laughing)

DARYL:  No, but in the beliefs I’ve held, it was very, very bad! (They both laugh)  I’m feeling a little freer about that, so okay.  That will help me understand more of how I process things.

ELIAS:  And this offers you also another challenge and opportunity in movement into acceptance of the ALL of you.

DARYL:  Yes.  I want to check with you on a couple of strange things.

One is, I tend to have things happen right before I have a session with you, and last night I got these two little marks, one each — identical — on the little finger of each hand, and I was wondering what those signify. (Pause, and Elias chuckles)

ELIAS:  Within an assessment of your energy, this is an expression that you have offered to yourself in a creation of less intensity.

This is also a validation that you are offering to yourself of your movement, for each time that you engage interaction with myself, you also incorporate an element of objective fear and an expression of that fearfulness, and in this, you consistently choose to be manifesting physical responses.

In this time framework, you are lessening your physical expression in conjunction with fearfulness that is associated with your objective interaction and discussion with myself.  Therefore, within this time framework, you merely present yourself with a noticing of these marks, so to speak, but you are not creating painfulness OR violence in expression of your physical body.

DARYL:  Yeah, and also, when I look at it, I don’t get scared of the creation itself.  I go, “Well, there I go again!”

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha!  But acknowledge yourself also, for your expression becomes less and less.

DARYL:  Oh, that’s nice!  Okay.  Another thing that’s been going on for I guess a couple of months ... now, I know that you do play with electricity, and you’ve played with my lights before.  But I’ve been having something strange going on with the actual light fixture on my front porch, where the light bulb itself is loose, and the cord that gives the power to it has moved around.  Last week I found the light bulb socket unplugged, and again, I don’t know what’s going on there.  I assume that isn’t you, since that isn’t your normal expression.

ELIAS:  And you are quite correct.  This is not my interference, so to speak, with your electrical equipment, and it is not an expression of my playfulness with you.

This is an expression of yourself and of your energy once again offering you imagery in mirror to what you are creating — the disassembling of a fixture which you have created within your focus, which is your shrine, and the expression of altering its power.

DARYL:  So, I’m actually doing that somehow?  I’m unscrewing things?

ELIAS:  This is your energy which has created this manifestation.  This is not the energy of any other essence, nor is this an expression of a physical situation or phenomenon that creates this objective imagery to you.  YOU have created this within your energy as a physical expression in symbology of a fixture, an element that has been requiring of a specific type of energy and power, and the disconnection of that energy and power to be disabling it.

DARYL:  That’s really something.  I’m not aware of having created something like that before, although I guess perhaps we do, and then we just never acknowledge that it’s us that’s doing it.

ELIAS:  This is correct.  Many times you are creating of physical situations within your focus, but you are also offering yourselves an attempt at rational explanation, or you dismiss the situation if you are not allowing yourself what you term to be a rational explanation.

DARYL:  Okay.  Well, it will be interesting to see if anything more happens then! (Elias chuckles)

I want to check another focus impression that I got for ancient Greece, female, and I got the name Athena. (Pause)

ELIAS:  Name alteration once again — Athelia.

DARYL:  Athelia, okay.  At least I’m getting the beginning parts!

ELIAS:  You are correct!

DARYL:  I’m getting the shape of the name.  It’s okay that it’s not the actual name.

ELIAS:  You are correct, and I express to you, be acknowledging of yourself, for you are allowing yourself to be accessing information.  You are merely associating with an immediate recognition of familiarity, but this is not to say that you are not offering yourself information, for you are!

DARYL:  Okay.  What would the time frame be on that? (Pause)

ELIAS:  Time framework, fourth century BC.

DARYL:  Okay, and I also got the impression that she was more of the middle or upper classes, more of an aristocrat than a slave.  Is that correct?

ELIAS:  Yes, you are correct.

DARYL:  Okay.  I’m still trying to understand the orientations, which for some reason are quite fascinating to me.  One thing that occurred to me that I’d like to check with you about is the quality of soft feeling interconnectedness.  I’ve noticed that I do enjoy historical information.  I’ve been watching a lot of history programs, and part of it has to do with if I know that I have another focus in that time frame, but I’ve also begun to feel that in a sense, it matters not that something happened a thousand years ago.  It still to me is kind of interconnected, the same way as if it happened today.

ELIAS:  You are correct, and this IS a recognition that is commonly held within the orientation of soft.

DARYL:  Okay, ‘cause that’s another area that I’ve felt a connection, and other people don’t seem to share it.  I’ve tried to explain it to them, and they’re like, “Well, so what?”

ELIAS:  (Chuckling)  This is merely a difference within perception, and that you view your world differently from individuals holding other orientations.

DARYL:  So someone who held the orientation of common, they would be focused on what is happening now, in this time frame, in their immediate area.

ELIAS:  For the most part, in a manner of speaking, yes.

This is not to say that they may not hold interests in different subject matters, or that an individual of the orientation of common may not be investigating of historical events or hold an interest in history, so to speak, but [they] shall not engage that subject matter in the same manner.

An individual holding the orientation of soft shall allow experience in the fascination or interest with a subject such as history.  There is a participation, for there is a blurring of the separation between time frameworks, just as there is a blurring of the separation of all individuals — within your perception — in this time framework.  Other time frameworks are not so intensely defined as they may be within the perception of an individual of common orientation.

DARYL:  Okay.  Another thing I’ve noticed is, when I am relating to some other individual thing or a mass event or history, that I tend to mentally put myself in the position of the person I’m observing, and try to experience what it would be like to be in that situation.  Is that a quality of soft also?

ELIAS:  Not entirely.  This is an engagement of your empathic sense, and this is a quality that is expressed in conjunction with your individual intent.

DARYL:  Okay, so it’s to help me understand what other individuals are going through.

ELIAS:  Yes.

DARYL:  Okay.  Well, that’s interesting.  I feel like my interest in the orientations has to do with my intent within the shift too, that it really would be helpful for me to understand it as well as I can.

ELIAS:  I express to you that the information offered in conjunction with orientations is valuable for many individuals in their understanding, but I shall also express to you that individuals holding the orientation of soft lean in the direction of occupying their attention with this subject matter slightly more than other individuals, for your experience in expressed differences appears more obviously.

DARYL:  Okay.  Well, our time is up, so I guess I’ll have to hold the rest of my questions until the next time, which will be in the new millennium, so to speak!

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha!  Very well!  I offer to you once again, and continuing, much encouragement in your movement, and I anticipate our continuation of our discussion.

I express to you in tremendous affection this day, au revoir.

DARYL:  Au revoir.

Elias departs at 5:47 PM.

MARY:  Hello?  Oh man!  It’s like dark in here!

Vic’s note:  This was too funny!  As this session progressed, it got darker and darker, until finally there was nothing but black on the video tape.  I kept chuckling to myself as I continued transcribing, knowing that Mary was gonna “come back” to pitch black, LOL!

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