Wednesday, October 27, 1999   © 2000 (Private/Phone)
Participants:  Mary (Michael) and Leslie (Margaret).
Elias arrives at 12:10 PM. (Arrival time is 20 seconds)

ELIAS:  Good morning!

LESLIE:  Good morning!  Now, when we say to you, “How are you?” and you say — oops, what do you say again? — “the same,” or something to that effect, what do you mean by that?

ELIAS:  Precisely what I am expressing!  You inquire how am I, and my response to you is, “I am as always.”  I am not good or bad; I merely am! (Grinning)

LESLIE:  Do you have good and bad days? (Elias chuckles and Leslie laughs)  Well, I’m just curious!

ELIAS:  No, I do not experience good and bad days.  I do not experience days! (Chuckling)

LESLIE:  Oh, that’s right.  I forgot!  It all depends on what time frame you’re in, huh? (They both laugh)  Well, it’s kind of hard!  Sometimes I sit and I wonder what it’s like where you are! (Elias chuckles)  Do you understand?

ELIAS:  Quite!

LESLIE:  Yeah!  And this sounds terrible — well, for us it does — but are you void of emotion?

ELIAS:  In the area of consciousness that I occupy or focus my attention, yes, this would be correct.  I do not experience the manifestation of emotion in what you identify.

LESLIE:  So, what we would identify as Spock? (Laughing)

ELIAS:  (Chuckling)  Not necessarily, for there is no replacement of the emotional manifestation or quality with merely a logical manifestation or quality.

LESLIE:  Oh, okay.  Well, at some point, I’ll probably find out!

ELIAS:  Ha ha!

LESLIE:  Okay, I need to ask you a favor.  When we speak, is there some way you can indicate to me when you are finished?  ‘Cause I notice on the tapes that I am constantly interrupting you, and I would rather not do that. (Elias chuckles)  I know!  I’ll try on my end too.  How’s that?

ELIAS:  Very well!

LESLIE:  Okay, alright.  Are all of my ... by the way, thank you so much for the information you gave to Margot.  It helped a great deal!  The dizzy spells that I have now come and go rather quickly, rather than stay all day, ‘cause when they come, I just accept them and then they’re gone, so that works.  But are all of my physical symptoms related to the energy surges?

ELIAS:  No.

LESLIE:  Oh, they aren’t?

ELIAS:  No.

LESLIE:  Oh lord!  That would have been so much easier! (They both laugh, and Leslie sighs)  What are they related to?

ELIAS:  Let me express to you that you manifest physical symptoms, so to speak, in conjunction with different elements that you are creating within your reality.

In this, you mirror outwardly, in physical expressions many times, turmoil or conflict that you are experiencing inwardly.

In this, as you continue to be manifesting physical expressions, you also draw your attention to what you are creating.

Now; let me also explain to you ... for I hold the awareness that many, many times, you may be creating physical symptoms or physical manifestations, and although I express to you that you are creating this to be noticing and to be offering yourself an awareness of other elements that you are creating, you, within your objective awareness, do not necessarily equate these two actions.  Therefore, as I express to you an explanation, many times this may appear to you to be inconsistent.

But this is also quite common within physical focus, for individuals DO create physical manifestations to be gaining their attention, and as they ARE creating these physical manifestations as a mirror action and an outward expression of what they are creating inwardly, they also do not pay attention to the correlation between the two actions, and in this, they are not noticing what is being created, and why.

You create this type of action also, and as you are creating this, you are continuously attempting to gain your attention to be addressing to certain beliefs and certain automatic responses that you create, but you have not entirely gained your attention yet.

Therefore, you continue to create the same type of action and you continue to create physical manifestations, recognizing subjectively that eventually you shall offer yourself enough information, to the point in which you SHALL begin noticing the other actions that you are creating and mirroring into physical manifestations.

You also move in the direction, in like manner to many other individuals, of expressing to yourself, and to myself also, questions in the direction of how you may be discontinuing creating these types of physical manifestations.

Now; as I have stated, there are some physical manifestations that you experience that do not move in entirely this manner, for they may be energy surges or other types of actions in conjunction with transition which may be affecting in physical creations.

But there are other physical manifestations that you create, in like manner to Giselle, which are not necessarily created directly in conjunction with actions such as transition.

Giselle creates a shortness of breath, which is a trigger.  Castille creates a very similar type of action for a very similar reason.

In this, both individuals may inquire, “How may I be discontinuing this action and not manifesting this constriction of breathing?”

And in this, my expression to these individuals is the same as my expression to you in the different types of physical manifestations that you create, which do not necessarily move in the direction of breathing, but you do create severity in other physical manifestations.

(Intently)  In addressing to this, if you are turning your attention to self and recognizing that YOU are creating it, this shall be the most affecting of the actual physical manifestation.

But in all three of these situations, you have each held for much time framework within your focuses the belief underlyingly that you yourselves are not creating these physical manifestations.  These physical manifestations are being created — within your beliefs — by some other element outside of you, and this is being inflicted upon you without your permission, and you are the victim of manipulations of energy that attack you, that you yourselves are not necessarily creating.

What I am expressing to you is that no other outside element — no energy, no aspect of consciousness, no outside element — is creating any of these physical manifestations.  You yourselves are creating these manifestations.

I am also quite understanding that within your thought process, you may be acknowledging of this statement and you may be in agreement with this statement, in thought.

But in actuality, as you create a physical manifestation, the immediate belief which is engaged is that some other element has created this manifestation of physical affectingness and is affecting you, and that you yourself have not created this.

This is the separation — in your beliefs — of the objective and the subjective awarenesses.

Within your beliefs, you align with the idea that your objective awareness is one element of you, and your subjective awareness is a different element of you, and that they move independent of each other and that they do not communicate to each other.

You may term this to be conscious and subconscious, objective and subjective — it matters not.  The terms are not as important as the idea itself and the belief itself — that there is some element within your reality that creates your reality for you without your knowledge and without your permission.

This is NOT what is occurring, but this is what you believe.

This is a very difficult aspect of belief systems to be addressing to, for you have held this belief through your history.  This is a mass belief system, and I express to you that ALL individuals, in some manner, hold to an element of this aspect of beliefs.

LESLIE:  Okay.  I was just talking to Mary about this, because whenever I seem to get in a spot that I can’t get out of, then I talk to Margaret, but I separate the two of us.  I can’t seem to get it together with both of us in one pot, you know what I mean?

So yeah, I do.  When I get these physical ailments, I blame her, but I try to figure out what she’s trying to tell me.  I realize that it’s happening, but I can’t ever seem to get a hold of what’s going on at the time.  I blame her — for any kind of stuff that goes wrong, I blame her — and I’m always trying to make sure I don’t do anything that will make her do something to me, and I don’t know how to stop that thought process!

ELIAS:  This is the direction that I am expressing to you.

YOU ARE ESSENCE.  Essence is not some “thing” outside of you, and you are not a “piece” of essence.

Therefore, essence is not the greater part that you are merely a portion of.  You yourself are all of essence.  Your attention is merely focused in this particular direction.

Now; let me express to you, individuals confuse themselves in the concept of essence, and reinforce this confusion as they inquire of an essence name or an essence tone.

Once you are receiving objectively an essence name, this allows you quite automatically and quite comfortably to move into alignment with the beliefs that are already established and already held within you, and allows you a comfortable and familiar direction of separation.

Now; in this, let me express to you a different type of direction.

Look to yourself.  Look to your physical manifestation, the you that you know and you identify, this individual of Leslie.  Now, look to your foot.  Is this Leslie?

LESLIE:  Yes.

ELIAS:  Look to your finger.  Is this Leslie?

LESLIE:  Yes.

ELIAS:  Yes ... and no!

LESLIE:  Oh!

ELIAS:  For it is Leslie, but it is not entirely Leslie, but it may not be separated from all of Leslie, correct?

LESLIE:  Um-hmm.

ELIAS:  Therefore, you do not look to your foot or your finger and express that your foot is Aaron and your finger is Kathleen and the entirety of your physical body is Richard, but the “you of you” is Leslie.  No, you do not separate in this manner.  You recognize that each element of your physical body is an element of you.  It is not separate.  It is not different.  It is not outside of you.

But you also recognize that that element of you which you identify as you, that element of you which is undefined, that is not necessarily merely your physical body, that element of you which creates your emotions, which creates your thoughts, which creates your perception, this is not a piece of your physical body.

But you may not separate your physical body and all of its elements — your brain, your physical organs, your bones, your circulatory system, your respiratory system — you may not separate any of these elements from you.

(Intently)  In this, look to yourself as precisely what I have expressed it to be.  Your physical manifestation — that you term to be Leslie — is the mirror image, the projection into a physical manifestation of essence.

Do you express to yourself that the entirety of your physical body holds a different identification from Leslie?  No, you do not.  You look within your mirror, you view your physical body, and you express to yourself, “This is me.”  You do not express, “This is the image of another individual.”  You express, “This is myself.”

That image within the mirror is the image of Leslie.

This manifestation is the projection into a physical dimension within a physical time framework as the mirror image of the essence of Margaret.

You merely create the identification of a physical name of Leslie to be identifying a distinction between one focus of attention and another focus of attention which are manifest simultaneously, in like manner to your physical body.

You identify a finger as a finger.  You identify a foot as a foot.  You identify a head as a head.  They all exist simultaneously, and they are all you, Leslie.  But each manifestation, each element of you holds an identification.  Your liver holds the name of a liver!

You, as a focus of attention, are identified as Leslie, but you are Margaret, for you are essence, in the same manner that your finger is Leslie.  It is a finger, but it is Leslie.  Are you understanding?

LESLIE:  Yes ... yes.  I think if I listen to the tape a few times, it will come together better.  I’m not going to say it’s going to happen overnight, but....

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha!

LESLIE:  Well, you know, I like to do everything through osmosis! (Laughing)  Thank you very much.

ELIAS:  You are very welcome.

LESLIE:  Yeah, ‘cause I really do keep us totally separate.  I just can’t ... I haven’t been able to get us together, you know?

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha!

LESLIE:  And you know, you’re right, ‘cause you mentioned that as soon as you get an essence name, you automatically separate, and that’s exactly what we do, I guess.  Well, what I did anyway!  Then it’s almost more difficult, once you have another name, to put them both together, ‘cause then you think of ... I think of Margaret as totally separate.

ELIAS:  Quite!

LESLIE:  Yeah.  Okay!  Okay, that’s good.

Okay, I thought that I read somewhere that you were no longer in physical focus.  Is this true?

ELIAS:  Correct.

LESLIE:  Okay.  Now, you said that you were in three of my focuses.  How can you not be in physical focus and be in my focuses?

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha!

LESLIE:  Does this mean that in the physical focuses that you’re in with me, you’ve disengaged?

ELIAS:  No.

LESLIE:  Oh!

ELIAS:  Now; this is a very difficult concept for you within physical focus to be understanding, for I do participate within those physical focuses that you are participating in also, for time is simultaneous, and therefore all of these focuses are occurring now.

But the direction of attention of my essence is not to be manifesting within physical focus.

Now; I am understanding that this may be quite confusing.  Therefore, I shall express this in quite simplistic terminology, that you may be assimilating within your understanding in this physical dimension, within the limitations of your language.

Manifestation and non-manifestation in physical dimensions is a creation of attention.

As an essence chooses to be exploring and experiencing physical dimensions, their attention moves into the direction of these types of experiences within physical manifestations.

(Carefully)  As an essence designates a final focus, that focus creates a function to be disengaging the attention of the essence from physical dimensions.  Each physical dimension holds its individual final focus.

Therefore, as I may express to you or any individual within this particular physical dimension that the individual may be designated as the final focus, they are designated as the final focus in this particular dimension.  This is not to say that at the point of disengagement of that final focus that the essence may be disengaging ALL physical dimensions, but that it shall move its attention away from the physical manifestations in that particular dimension and shall discontinue its participation in attention.

Now; you — within your beliefs and within your perception of time and the linear movement of time — view this statement as the action of creating a choice in which the final focus shall disengage, and all focuses of that particular essence shall physically be removed from the physical dimension.

This is not necessarily the actual situation, for this may be accomplished if all areas of consciousness experienced linear time, but all areas of consciousness do not experience linear time, and all of the focuses are simultaneous.

Therefore, the action which is occurring, in a manner of speaking ... for it is limiting within your language to be explaining this action.

The action which is occurring is that the essence is turning its attention and not focusing its attention in the manifestations which are participating within the physical dimension.

Now; this is a similar action to what I have expressed previously within this forum, in which an essence may project an aspect of its consciousness into a creature within a physical dimension to be experiencing the physical quality and experience of the manifestation of that configuration of consciousness which manifests in a creature physically.

This is not to say that an essence creates a focus as a creature.  You do not incarnate, so to speak, as a creature.

Within the belief system of reincarnation, you shall not be reincarnated as a creature.  Outside of the belief system of reincarnation, you do not as essence manifest in the form and the experience of a creature, but you may be projecting an aspect of your consciousness into the reality and the creation of a creature to be offering yourself the physical experience of that creature.  Your attention is not focused in that aspect.

(Speaking slowly)  You yourself, in this particular manifestation, are a focus of attention.  The essence of you has focused an element of attention in a precise and specific direction, which creates a manifestation of you.

Now; as an essence chooses to be disengaging from a physical dimension, disengaging its participation in that physical dimension, it turns its attention and no longer focuses its attention in that physical dimension, in that physical experience.

This is not to say that the physical experience is not continuing, for it is all within the now and it IS continuing, but the attention is not held any longer within that physical experience.

LESLIE:  Okay.  Is ... let’s see.  How do I want to say that?  Is my attention in the physical now waning and going in another direction?  At least I feel that, that I’m not preoccupied as much with what I’m doing here now.

ELIAS:  This....

LESLIE:  It’s like I’m tiring of it.

ELIAS:  This is an element of the action of transition.

This is not necessarily an indication that essence is turning its attention away from the physical experiences.  This is merely an individual experience that you are engaging in conjunction with transition, which does manifest many times in a lack of focusing of attention within that particular focus.

LESLIE:  Okay.  Okay, I need to ask a question. (Elias grins as if he knows what the question is)  I’m a little bit too preoccupied with disengaging, and I want to quit doing that because I think it’s interfering with just life in general.  But when you say that we manifest these ailments for our attention, then how do we separate?  How am I going to know if I’m manifesting my disengagement or I’m manifesting this for my attention?  In other words, manufacturing an illness to be disengaging as opposed to an illness for my attention.

ELIAS:  Ah!  Now; I shall also express to you that as any individual — yourself also — chooses to be creating of any type of dis-ease or illness that may be facilitating disengagement or death within your belief systems, you are also creating a type of process.  You do not create a dis-ease or an illness in a solidity of probabilities.

What I am expressing to you is that you may be engaging a dis-ease that you align with in beliefs that expresses the inevitable outcome shall be death.

Let us express that you may hypothetically be creating a severe cancerous dis-ease, and within the particular type of cancerous dis-ease that you choose to be creating, you may be engaging a type that is expressed to hold no cure.  Therefore, within your belief, it is quite inevitable that you shall absolutely die in the creation of this dis-ease.

But as you engage any probability, you continue to hold the choice of how you shall direct that probability.  Therefore, NO choice that you create is set in stone and unchangeable.

Therefore, as you begin creating this type of manifestation, you are not necessarily creating that expression to be also creating its inevitable outcome, so to speak.  Those are choices that are created in the moment, and in each moment, you direct the creation of the dis-ease.

You allow yourself to be continuing within its creation or to not be continuing, to be perpetuating it and to be reinforcing it and to be accelerating it or to be retarding it or discontinuing it or altering it into other avenues.  These are all in-the-moment choices, and they are not choices that automatically seal a fate, so to speak.

Therefore, I express to you, the creation of disengagement is a choice.  This is a choice that you also create within the moment, and you hold the awareness of that choice.  You know, objectively and subjectively in the moment that you choose to be disengaging, what you are creating.

LESLIE:  So in other words, don’t worry about it till it happens! (Elias chuckles and Leslie laughs)  Oh, okay.  That one is going to be a little harder to grasp because ... see, now this is where the separation comes in between me and Margaret.

See, I figure she’s got this all planned out, and when she’s ready to disengage, I don’t have anything to say about it, and I keep worrying and wondering what she’s planning for tomorrow! (Laughing)

ELIAS:  Ah!  Not so, not so!

LESLIE:  Okay, okay.  Alright, we were in three focuses together.  Could you briefly tell me what our relationship was, like friend, teacher, acquaintance, etcetera? (Pause)

ELIAS:  One focus holding the relationship of friendship, but not in intimacy; one focus within the manifestation of relative through marriage, and in that particular focus, the relationship may be described as distant, not holding much interaction objectively; one focus holding a relationship in business.

LESLIE:  Oh, okay.  Thank you very much.

ELIAS:  You are quite welcome.

LESLIE:  Have any of my twenty-three focuses disengaged yet? (Pause)

ELIAS:  Yes.

LESLIE:  Oh!  How many?

ELIAS:  Four.

LESLIE:  Whoa!  Okay.  When I disengage, if I ask a favor of you, is it something you’ll be able to do?

ELIAS:  (Laughing)  I shall express to you that I shall be compliant.

LESLIE:  Thank you very much!  There!  See, I feel better!

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha!

LESLIE:  Twice in my life, I tried committing suicide.  It’s been some time ago.  Both times, I was unconscious and alone.  Who made the call for help? (Pause)

ELIAS:  This would be yourself, but not the primary aspect of yourself.  This would another aspect of yourself which engaged a momentary exchange of position with the primary aspect of yourself, and created this physical movement and action.

LESLIE:  Oh, okay.  It was a part of myself?

ELIAS:  Correct.

LESLIE:  Okay.  What is going on between my husband and myself? (Pause)

ELIAS:  This is a movement that you are both participating within, offering each of yourselves a new opportunity to be moving into areas of awarenesses within yourselves individually.  In this, you have moved through a participation with each other in this focus to be offering each other certain benefits within this particular focus.

But presently, in conjunction with this shift in consciousness, you each are choosing to be moving independent of each other, in a manner of speaking — not entirely — and this offers you the opportunity to concentrate your attention and your energy more fully upon self, and allows you less distraction and more of an ease within your individual movements.

This allows you also a new freedom to be moving outside of some of the aspects of belief systems that you have held in conjunction with relationships and in conjunction with your role in the participation of relationships which creates obstacles in your individual movement and your individual freedom.

Therefore, you have chosen to be creating a different direction individually, which may allow each of you new expressions of freedom as you allow yourself to become more accepting and trusting of self NOT in conjunction with another individual.

LESLIE:  Oh, okay.  Okay.  Now, I guess last but not least, I’d like you to offer me any information that at this time you feel would be beneficial to me.

ELIAS:  I merely express to you, in an offering, what may be beneficial to you is to be continuing to allow yourself to be noticing each time you are creating of elements within your reality that you do not identify as your own creation.

Notice these time frameworks.  Notice your automatic responses, and notice your movement and your behavior and your creations in these moments in which you assess that an element of your reality is being created for you.

This shall be helpful to you as you continue to practice, for it is quite difficult within physical focus to be identifying beliefs and subsequently addressing to beliefs if you are not noticing what beliefs you are participating within and what you are manifesting and what you are creating within your own behaviors.  Therefore, my suggestion and offering to you this day is to be noticing, and this shall be the most beneficial expression presently.

I shall also be encouraging of you to be continuing to hold your attention within the now, for I hold an awareness that you ARE accomplishing in this area, and therefore I am encouraging of you to be continuing in this action.

LESLIE:  Well, recently I had something that forced me to do that, either that or just go off the ... I call it gettin’ crazy, and I found that it works quite well!

ELIAS:  Quite!

LESLIE:  And if I hadn’t created the situation that caused it, I may have never learned how to do that.  And so, it does work!  Because it was ever-present in my mind that you kept saying, if I’m projecting ten years from now, that I will miss what’s going on today.  So, I constantly pull myself back if I start to go outside of today.

And it really, really works.  For anybody out there reading this, it works very well!

ELIAS:  And offers you a tremendous expression of freedom ...

LESLIE:  Yes!

ELIAS:  ... and much less conflict.

LESLIE:  Okay, the probability of my husband and I splitting up, is it more probable or less probable? (Pause)

ELIAS:  Within this present time framework, you each move in the direction of more probable, but this is not to say that you may not be altering that within your choices futurely.

LESLIE:  But see, there’s a part of me that wants no one in my life right now, because I want to work on me.

ELIAS:  Quite, and this is what I have been expressing to you.

LESLIE:  Yeah.  I guess it just seems like it would be so much easier if I could just focus on what I want to do myself.

ELIAS:  I express to you that you may be creating this within the relationship or outside of the relationship.  This is merely a choice.

LESLIE:  Oh, okay.  So in other words, whether we stay together or split up, I can still do this regardless.

ELIAS:  You are correct.

LESLIE:  Okay.  So nothing’s in concrete, correct?

ELIAS:  Correct. (Leslie laughs)  Ha ha!

LESLIE:  Okay.  I am going to ask you one more question since you didn’t tell me time’s up.  I have a thing on my right side, and a while back I had an x-ray, and they said they saw a shadow on my liver.  Well, they ditched around and ditched around, and I decided that I wasn’t going to go there, at least I think that’s what I decided, and by the time I went back and they did a CAT scan, they couldn’t find it.  So, I was very proud of myself.  I assumed I got rid of it! (Laughing)  But now there’s this ... it’s not really a pain or anything, it’s almost like somebody’s got their finger stuck in my side, and it’s annoying because I can’t figure out what I’m trying to tell myself, and it’s making me crazy!  I really have tried to figure out what I am trying to say to myself, and I can’t.

ELIAS:  This is once again the same type of expression that we have been discussing within this session.  You are gaining your attention to be addressing to the beliefs that you hold.  One of the beliefs is the fear of what you may be creating, and one of the beliefs is that you in actuality are not creating it.

Therefore, I continue to be encouraging you to be noticing of these physical manifestations that you create and to be noticing your automatic responses to them, and in this, I am not expressing to you to be analyzing and analyzing what you are creating, but to merely be noticing, and to be noticing your responses.

LESLIE:  So the creations that I’m creating right now, the physical things, is that part of me trying to get Margaret and I together and realizing it’s one thing?  Is that why I’m doing this, to try to combine the two?

ELIAS:  Partially, yes.

LESLIE:  Okay.

ELIAS:  Very well.  I shall express to you this day great affection and an individual invitation to be re-engaging with myself futurely, and we shall entertain each other!

LESLIE:  (Laughing)  Okay!  (Elias chuckles)  Okay, that’s a deal!

ELIAS:  I anticipate....

LESLIE:  Are you talking about the 11th particularly?

ELIAS:  Not necessarily.

LESLIE:  Oh, okay.  Okay!

ELIAS:  I anticipate our next meeting, and I shall be encouraging of you in our objective physical meeting also.

To you this day, Margaret, without separation ... ha ha ha!

LESLIE:  Yeah, okay! (Laughing)  Well, you helped a lot.  I’ll work on that!  That’s the best I can do, you know what I’m saying?

ELIAS:  Very well!

LESLIE:  I feel like I shouldn’t have to do that, but because of our belief systems ... and they’re so intricate!

ELIAS:  Quite!

LESLIE:  This is a hard thing we do down here! (Elias chuckles)  I’m telling you! (Laughing)  But you know what?  Learning the information has made life much easier for me. (Elias chuckles)  It’s not nearly the struggle, it doesn’t seem, that it used to be before I got the information.

ELIAS:  And this is the point.

LESLIE:  Yeah.  It makes a big difference, and I want to thank you very much for that.

ELIAS:  You are very welcome.  I anticipate our next meeting, and I express to you quite affectionately this day, au revoir.

LESLIE:  Good-bye.

Elias departs at 1:17 PM.

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