Wednesday, May 19, 1999 © 2000 (Private/Phone)
Participants:  Mary (Michael) and Lynda (Ruther).
Elias arrives at 2:41 PM. (Arrival time is 23 seconds)

ELIAS:  Good day!

LYNDA:  Hi, Elias! (Elias chuckles)  It’s nice to hear your voice again, our very next session so close together! (Elias chuckles)  Oh, my goodness gracious.  Can I address a couple of short questions, and then I thought you could help me with the subject matter of shrines?

ELIAS:  Very well.  You may proceed.

LYNDA:  Thank you.  The first question I wanted to ask is on behalf of Cynthia, who I spoke with yesterday.  He wanted me to ask you who Joseph — I hope I’m saying these names right — Zephell, and Mordow were fragmented from.

ELIAS:  (Chuckling)  And we continue with the “essence family tree,” of which I have already expressed to Cynthia that this matters not in information, for it is not created in linear terms.  But very well, I shall offer the information as to fragmentation with regard to these essences. (12-second pause)

These essences have been fragmented in mergence. (12-second pause)

I shall express to Cynthia that she may be designating upon the “family tree” one essence tone, although be aware that that essence was within an action of mergence involving several other essences.  Therefore all of these essences participate in the action of fragmentation, but to be uncomplicating the situation, I shall offer the tone of Shepherd as....

LYNDA:  Hmm, Shepherd.  S-H-E-P-H-E-R-D?

ELIAS:  Yes.  This would be the essence tone which may be designated as the main tone within the mergence of which these essences are fragmented from.

LYNDA:  Thank you very much for that information.  I will convey that to him.  While we are discussing Cynthia, Cynthia and I have a free flow and a connection.  What is our connection?  Are we counterpart? (Pause)

ELIAS:  No.  You are merely offering yourselves the opportunity to be objectively connecting with each other in what you may term to be “like spirit,” holding similar interest in the action of this shift in consciousness, and also offering yourselves information in similar manner.  Many times you shall be objectively connecting with and interacting with other individuals that you may feel an attraction to and an ease within your interaction with the individual, and this is not necessarily to suggest to you that you hold counterpart action with this individual.

For the most part, you may be connecting with many individuals and interacting with many individuals, and you do not necessarily hold an interconnectedness in the manner of a classification, so to speak.  But you ARE interconnected through essence and consciousness, and this offers you the opportunity to view the lack of separation within consciousness and that you are all interconnected and not separated.

Let me express to you that as I offer these words to you each, you receive this information and you view yourselves to be interconnected in a very abstract manner.

In this, what I am expressing to you is that you view yourselves in a cosmic, abstract manner to be interconnected with all individuals and with all elements of your reality within your universe, but this is not necessarily an actual reality to you.  It is merely a concept in abstraction that you believe you accept and you believe you understand.

But as you experience this interconnectedness and lack of separation that I speak of with you, you automatically magnate to classifications of shared focuses or counterpart action with another individual or interconnectedness through fragmentation or mergences of essences.  This is not necessarily the action which occurs between all individuals upon your planet that you objectively interact with, but this is not to say that you shall not experience what you term to be the closeness, the understanding, the acceptance, and the interconnectedness merely by interacting with another individual and allowing yourself to be open to the knowing of your interconnectedness.

In this, you offer yourselves the opportunity to view more of the intimacy that is involved in all of your interactions and all of your relationships, regardless of how you are labeling any of your relationships.  This also provides you with an avenue to be extending this concept and pulling to yourself more of the reality that every other individual upon your planet which is physically focused is of essence and is interconnected with you personally, in a manner of speaking, and intimately.

This be the reason that I have expressed previously to many individuals, each action that you engage is affecting of all of consciousness.  Each probability that you create, each choice that you engage, is affecting of every individual upon your planet.

This is not to be reinforcing beliefs in the area of karma, but merely to be expressing to you each the depth of responsibility that you hold individually — not that you hold responsibility for other individuals, but for yourselves individually — and why very great importance is placed upon focusing upon self and the acceptance and trust of self, for as you are creating of these within yourself, you are also affecting of all of your reality and every other individual which manifests upon your planet.

Therefore, I express to you, in viewing relationships and interactions that you hold with other individuals, you may be recognizing of counterpart action as you identify very strong responsiveness to a particular individual.  The sense that you identify in these types of relationships shall appear different to you, regardless if you are paralleling or if you are opposing and repelling or if you are merely lending energy to each other within differences and similarities.  You shall recognize a different quality in the interaction and relationship that you may hold in objectively meeting and interacting with an individual who holds counterpart action with you.

In this, as you interact with all other individuals that may not be engaging a counterpart action with you, as you widen your awareness you also become more objectively aware of the interconnectedness that you share with all of these individuals, and you begin to recognize that you hold much less separation than you initially viewed.

LYNDA:  Gosh, Elias, that was just awesome.  That really is great.  Thank you for that explanation.  I have a tendency — and this really confirms what you’re saying — to label, that word “label” that you used.  Somebody is always a counterpart, or somebody is a focus even, or a soul mate.  It attaches a more narrow interpretation, although I am quite aware in my own counterpart action how beneficial it is for me — in the sense of repelling counterparts and paralleling — with this information, which leads me into my next subject of shrines.  But first, I want to say that this is how I’ve interpreted what you said from just that labeling aspect.  Do you know what I mean?

ELIAS:  Quite.  In this, let me express to you that as you allow yourselves to be moving in this direction, you also perpetuate this issue of separation, for you separate certain individuals and you view them to be more affecting than other individuals or you view them to be more beneficial than other individuals.  You also afford certain individuals more of your attention than other individuals.

I express to you that their affectingness is no more than any other individual’s.  It is merely different.  They exhibit in counterpart action a different direction, but its affectingness in this direction is no greater or lesser than any other individual within consciousness.  It merely is directed in a specific manner.

LYNDA:  Right.  Oh goody!  That would be along the lines of even essence family intent and alignment intent, correct?

ELIAS:  Correct.

LYNDA:  Okay.  Elias, I have not been that familiar with your use of the word shrines, but I was interacting with a girl who you have not met.  Well, I think you know her well, but she’s only communicated to you through the telephone and asked a couple of questions.  Her name is Daryl, but Ashrah is her essence name.

Anyway, we had a really fun conversation yesterday about shrines, and let me see if I can interpret what I thought she said so you can help me, ‘cause it felt like it tied into our conversation yesterday about my choice to actualize a different probability to myself in the area of what I call positive probabilities.

In this, a shrine is something that you hold to.  I would call my fear of success a shrine, and when I allow it to be affecting of me, I pull up all these attending reasons to support it, which makes sense to me.  But I also feel at this point, in order for me to actualize this probability that I am opening the door a crack to, whether it’s the location of San Francisco or whatever it is, it’s the probability of changing; it’s the probability itself.

I don’t want to spend a lot of time doing this anymore.  I just want to acknowledge it and move fast, and I almost feel like I better not do that.  I’d better analyze it some more.  But my god, Elias, I’ve been analyzing it for my whole life!  Is that right?

ELIAS:  (Chuckling)  All of you within physical focus hold shrines in one area or another, although I may express to you that as you avail yourselves of information and as you widen your awarenesses, you also are dismantling of many of your shrines.

These are areas of lack of acceptance of self which manifest in repetition of behaviors in which you create your action of sabotage.  In this, you are quite efficient at reinforcing your issues, which are your shrines, and you are quite guarded of them.

I have expressed previously, in the subject matter of these shrines, that you are quite protective of them.  They are precious to you, and you tend to them carefully.  Continuing....

LYNDA:  Yes, that would be an accurate estimation of that, I would say.  I concur.  Oh goody!  This is good information for me, and I appreciate it.

Okay, so that raises the subject of the discussion we had yesterday that was beginning to tie into belief systems with regard to choice of orientation.  I discussed with you my dislike of certain parts of my body, and in fact I asked if we could title this session “Shrines and Buttocks,” because I want to talk about this imagery thing and address it a little further, and also because I’m interested in the belief system of orientation.

I said to you yesterday that the reason I wanted to have a slim butt and pretty legs is so I would be attractive to men, and I knew when I said that ... and it was very hard for me to say, because I felt like if I expose this to you ... and of course you’re going to say, “Yes, this is a belief system.”  It is so ingrained in me and such a part of me to appear to be a certain way to other people that it very much expresses my own lack of self-acceptance.  I certainly see that side of it — I’ve lived with it for so long!  There is a stigma.  I always thought I was shallow and vain for wanting to make myself beautiful.

I just want to draw a line between the fun I have of being beautiful, allowing myself to acknowledge my own beauty ... even now with my fat butt!  I know I’m not acknowledging my fat butt, but I am allowing myself to not reject myself as intensely as I used to, Elias.

But I do want to address the vitamins I take to help me in this area, because now I’m confusing myself, because my business is involved with weight-loss products that are natural, that allow you to eat and burn fat and not worry about what you’re eating and have it become second nature, and I’m conflicted because I keep tying it into “this is not good” because this just reinforces the imagery thing.  But I think they’re two different things, but I need you to kind of divide the baby for me, if you will. (Elias chuckles)  Oh god.

ELIAS:  I express to you, first of all, we shall address what you have expressed in this questioning.

Initially, let me clarify that the belief system which is being addressed presently within this wave in consciousness is the belief system of sexuality, and orientation is one aspect of that belief system.  It is not a belief system within itself.  It is an aspect of the belief system of sexuality.  This is offered for clarification.

LYNDA:  Thank you.

ELIAS:  As to this situation of which you speak, you are in actuality involving several different directions in this questioning.

You are inquiring as to the involvement of your individual creations of shrines in the area of physical appearance, which is the shrine that you have created and devoted to yourself in the area of acceptance of other individuals concerning you and your appearance, which you equate with yourself.  Your appearance, as viewed outwardly, is that projection of yourself.

Therefore, initially let me address in this that the reason you equate your physical appearance with the value of yourself is that subjectively, you do hold the knowing that your physical form is not merely a vessel, but a projection of consciousness manifest physically as a mirror image of essence.  Therefore, what you are physically projecting, coupled with your emotional projection and your projection of energy in acceptance of self, is the presentment of self or essence to your world.

Therefore, in part, you are correct in equating your physical appearance with yourself, but where you have created your shrine is in addressing to and creating reinforcements of a dissatisfaction and lack of acceptance of your physical form, which is the mirror outward projection of your lack of acceptance of self inwardly.

THIS is the area that you have created your shrine; which you place your ornaments in decoration of your shrine, from many different expressions and many different angles, to be perpetuating in this area.

Now; you are not merely not accepting of your physical form and of yourself, but you also project outwardly this energy to other individuals and draw to yourself a reinforcement in many, many different types of expressions from other individuals, that you may be perpetuating and continuing to be adding to your decorating of this shrine.

As to your situation of confusion with your involvement of what you term to be your natural vitamins, (grinning) in difference to unnatural vitamins ...

LYNDA:  (Cracking up)  In difference to prescription vitamins!  Go on. (Elias chuckles)

ELIAS:  ... and how they may be at odds, so to speak, with your information that you are offering yourself presently, in actuality, you are not creating a situation at odds.  For each of you — yourself also — create methods to be moving you through your individual process of widening your awareness, and within this process that you choose, you also choose certain angles that shall reinforce you in validating accomplishments.  Therefore, what you are creating is movement in steps, so to speak.

In this, you engage your creativity and your imagination — which be remembering is quite real — and you creatively choose a particular method that shall be validating and positively reinforcing of you.

This is no different of an expression than engaging affirmations to yourself, which may be beneficial with some individuals within physical focus.  As they continuously are repeating certain phrases or acknowledgments to themselves, eventually they begin to accept those phrases and acknowledgments, and they discontinue their struggling against them.

In like manner, you may offer to yourself the method of engaging natural or holistic substances that you believe — for you do believe underlyingly — shall be helpful to you and shall facilitate your movement more effectively.  For a time framework temporarily, this may be beneficial for you, for as you engage your steps into your process of acceptance of self and your process of dismantling your shrines, you offer yourself certain elements within your reality that may be beneficial and helpful to you.  (Enter the squawking bird!)

In this, I express to you, do not be discounting of yourself.  You all move within the parameters, so to speak, of belief systems.  This is your reality.  You do not function within your reality without belief systems.  The point is not to be eliminating belief systems.

The point is to be accepting belief systems, recognizing that whichever direction you choose to be engaging, it is acceptable and it matters not.  If it is facilitating your movement, why shall you not be engaging it?  (And the bird continues to squawk!)

Individuals have approached myself and have inquired, “Shall it be helpful to myself if I am changing my belief as I am moving in the direction of accepting my belief?”  And I have responded affirmative, for it may be quite beneficial to individuals to be changing their beliefs temporarily, in their individual method to be accepting their beliefs.  (Bird calming down now...)

I may express to any individual that changing or altering your belief systems is not the point — it is not what you are moving into within the action of this shift in consciousness as your actual alteration of your reality — but it may be beneficial temporarily in offering you a method to be moving into the acceptance of your belief systems.  Are you understanding?

LYNDA:  Yes.  This may sound like an odd response, I don’t know, but at this point it becomes a matter of choice to me, because as far as what you said about accepting my own physical form and the attending shrines and all that stuff, I am very much hearing you, and I feel that I am definitely receiving that and moving in this direction.

As far as taking the substances, I’m not opposed to it.  I understand that this is helpful to me as I allow myself to trust myself more and widen, which I feel confident that I’m moving in that direction with regard to my own body.

With regard to doing a business with this, I have come to a point, and this ties back into yesterday ... okay, how do I say this?  I do not necessarily want to monitor the process of other people’s process in this by selling them the vitamins and working with them.  I just choose not to do that because it’s a lot of work that is not fun for me, or it hasn’t been to this point.  What I would rather do is, I would rather stop feeding this business aspect of this shrine.  And again, here I go with the confusion, because this whole business of network marketing ... I don’t want to isolate myself and not accept belief systems, but I also don’t want to align with them, and I want to move in the manner of effortlessness.

I guess what I’m saying is, I guess it doesn’t matter what I do to generate money.  I’m just looking for an ease and a change in how it comes to me.  So I guess I’m answering my own question, in that it matters not what I do to be successful, but at this point it becomes a choice because it’s affecting of me, working with this kind of business, because it’s a really difficult ... well, just listen to me, my words: “It’s a hard business; money doesn’t grow on trees.”  But all businesses seem to be like that.

I’m looking for effortlessness and I’m looking to be an example of effortlessness and fun, to lessen not only my own thickness but to be an example to others, to be helpful.  Because really, Elias, it’s my heart to be an example of fun and effortlessness for my own self first, and I think I’ll automatically be affecting of other people  because the direction I want to go in is writing, and maybe even lecturing born out of what I write in a fun way, and drawing people to ... I don’t know.  I want to be an example, but in an effortless, fun way.  So all that to say, this gets me back to square one with opening the door really wide, plunging in, and not spending too much time on these shrines, which I know is my choice.  And would you like to comment?

ELIAS:  And this would be the point in turning your attention to the acceptance and trust of self.

LYNDA:  Right, and you know something?  Automatically when I do that, just when you said that, the first thing that I feel is the familiar emotion of fear because it seems so impossible, and I love it when it’s impossible, because as you know, it has to be impossible before it happens.  This is a big shrine.  I just ... gosh, I don’t want to spin around, so I’m just going to accept this puppy and take a step.  What can I tell ya? (Elias chuckles)  Walk on my own water.

ELIAS:  Now; let me also clarify another point with you.

LYNDA:  Yes, sir.

ELIAS:  There is quite a difference in the repetitive reinforcement within behaviors which creates the perpetuation of shrines, and the creation of repeated actions in certain situations.

Repeated or patterned behaviors in relation to issues [and] which reinforce those issues may be viewed in the direction of shrines.  Repeated actions which facilitate certain movements may merely be your individual method in motivation.  There is a difference.

You move in the direction of leaning towards the creation of backing yourself to your wall, and as you view that you have moved against your wall and you view within your perception that you have no other alternative but to be moving away from your wall, this motivates you to stop distracting yourself and address to the situation that you have presented yourself with, but this is the manner of YOUR process within YOUR method.

You shall move and walk and walk and walk, allowing certain elements of your reality to be being created and continuing, and as they are not intensely affecting of you, you shall continue to be walking and walking, and as they become more intense and more intense, you approach your wall, and at the height of intensity, you reach connection with your wall, and once you have connected with your wall, at that moment you turn and you express to yourself the recognition of other choices, and you engage your creativity and your movement into acceptance and relinquishing control, and this allows you to be moving into the direction that addresses to whichever belief or issue you are choosing to be addressing to.

Individuals choose, each, their own triggers and their own methods to be engaging what they wish to be attending to within their focus.  Some individuals may allow themselves to be procrastinating within certain areas for much time period, but they shall create this type of action merely to a point — as do you — and once that point has been engaged, the turn shall also engage.  This is quite different from the action of creating patterns in repeated behavior, which reinforces shrines.

This is merely the method that you have chosen to motivate yourself to be moving into addressing to certain belief systems and movements, for within your focus, you value and magnate to drama as a moth to a flame, and in this, if you are not creating the drama, you are not motivating yourself to be creating movement.  Therefore, you shall build to your crescendo, and once you have attained this crescendo, then you view it is time to move on.

There is no element that is wrong with this method.  It is merely a method.  It is a choice.  Each individual, as I have stated, creates their own method and their own choices of how they shall motivate themselves to be moving in their particular directions and creating their motivations for their own movement.

This is merely the choice that you have created, which I express to you, do not be chiding yourself for your creation of this type of movement, for it is quite efficient within your focus, is it not?

LYNDA:  Yes, to be honest with you, it is, Elias. (Elias chuckles)  It is very much what I do.  I know that it’s against ... for me, I kick up a lot of dust in the process, and I think it’s because I get confused and I don’t understand why everybody isn’t doing this, and I understand why I do that.  Setting that aside, I really want ... you know, it’s me.  This is what I do.  This is the most efficient way I process this information.  I’ve drawn myself to this.  This is my undistorted way of getting to my own point.

ELIAS:  Which matters not.  In this, you may view yourself as the symphony, and you may view your movement as the movements of the symphony, which build to the finale.

LYNDA:  Right.  I love that! (Laughing, and Elias chuckles)  That’s me!  That’s what I do!  Now I am choosing to build to a ... I’m at this point again, and this time, to me, the choice in direction that I move now, Elias, although it’s — I use the word “important,” and I know that my take on important and your take on the word important are different — but it’s important to me that the next season of my focus incorporate more fun and freedom and effortlessness.

ELIAS:  Ah!  And I express to you, what be your next season?  Why shall you not incorporate this fun now?

LYNDA:  You know how that translates to me?  Just be free now!

ELIAS:  Quite.

LYNDA:  Have fun now!

ELIAS:  Quite.

LYNDA:  Let the chips fall where they may!

ELIAS:  And I express to you acknowledgment in this.

LYNDA:  This ties into me.  This is another thing that’s important to me, because this ties back to me, and this is not passive in my mind, but I KNOW.

I have hopes, I have desires, I have details that I cannot imagine, Elias, how they’re all going to come together, but in my heart and in my gut, I know that they will and that I don’t have to worry about the details, and that’s hard, not to worry about the details, because I’m so controlling — and I’m not the only one that’s controlling, I understand that — but I really want to address this issue, because in my essence, when I’m communicating with my essence, I know it’s going to be okay and I don’t have to worry and I’m not gonna betray myself, and just as we were talking, I literally allowed myself to move into that place or that knowing.  Are you understanding what I’m saying?

ELIAS:  Quite. (Chuckling)

LYNDA:  Thank you very much.  Of course you’re understanding what I’m saying.  I live with you and you live with me.  Really, I feel like I know you know.  I’m not gonna cry, but maybe I will, but it breaks my heart because it’s so neat to have self-understanding of myself!

ELIAS:  HA HA!  And you may offer to yourself all that you desire, and how much more efficient may this be expressed than by yourself, for who other than you knows you as well as you do?

LYNDA:  Boy, Elias, I’m telling you, this makes me think of ... you know, there’s a Bible thing about how God knows all the hairs on your head.  He knows the number of hairs on your head, and that’s ‘cause he’s counting them from the inside, metaphorically speaking, and my essence is counting the hairs on my head from the inside out!

It’s so personal.  It’s so unique.  Our uniqueness ... I’m preaching to the choir!  Never mind! (Elias starts to crack up)  But our uniqueness, I’m telling you right now, I know about uniqueness, and the thing that makes this sort of oneness sort of a bland ... it’s the uniqueness that is so vital that we come back into a knowing.

I know this probably gets back to Dream Walker intent and all this stuff, but it bottom-lines to me in my interpretation as knowing our own uniqueness because that’s where the security is, and I know it’s not just words because we’ve all popped into that place before, where we know we’re fearlessly unique and there could be nobody else like us, and the counter to that is, how come nobody understands me?  I understand!  Do you know what I’m saying? (Elias chuckles)

Anyway, anyway, anyway, uniqueness! (Elias chuckles)  It’s true though, isn’t it?  I mean, the unique thing is the thing we have disallowed!  God forbid we allow our own sweet, fun uniqueness!  But you can only do that when you feel ... well, for me I can only do it — for me, I can only do it — in my own way of recognizing my own essence, in coming to allow my essence to have what I think is the beginning of a communication with me.

ELIAS:  And let me offer you one final point in this discussion ...

LYNDA:  Yes, sir.

ELIAS:  ... addressing to an area that you have skimmed over so very efficiently, (Lynda laughs) in inquiring [of] this wonder of self and appreciation of self momentarily, and the wondering and the questioning in the direction of, why is it that no other individual understands and appreciates the wonder and uniqueness of myself?

LYNDA:  Yeah!

Vic’s note:  Elias gets pretty serious here.

ELIAS:  Now; let me express to you that this type of statement or question is offered as a direct expression of your own lack of acceptance of self.

Understand what I offer to you and what I am expressing to you in this, for as you seek that acceptance and acknowledgment outside of self, it is provided inside of self, and once that is accepted within self, with that acceptance, as an automatic byproduct, there is the accompaniment of the acceptance of other individuals, and in those areas that there may be an expression of lack of acceptance from other individuals, it shall genuinely matter not with you, for you have provided yourself the acceptance and the glorious wonderment of self, which abounds enough that it needs no more validation from outside of self.

LYNDA:  I get it.  Thank you.

ELIAS:  You are very welcome.

LYNDA:  May I ask you one last question?

ELIAS:  You may.

LYNDA:  If it’s important.  I don’t even know.  I don’t even know if I’ve ... it’s about fragmentation.  I’ve never asked you before.  I will leave it up to you.

ELIAS:  (Chuckling)  And you are wishing for information as to your fragmentation of essence?

LYNDA:  Yes, sir.  Where did Ruther fragment from?  Or did he?  I guess he did.

ELIAS:  I express that this essence is fragmented of the essences of Ethway — E-T-H-W-A-Y — and Hannah.

LYNDA:  (Crying)  I’m not exactly sure why I’m having this reaction, but I think it has something to do with my connection ... oh, anyway, I’ll think about why I’m having this reaction.  Thank you for telling me that.  Ethway and Hannah.

ELIAS:  Correct.

LYNDA:  And why is it that I feel so close to you, Elias?  This has nothing to do with fragmentation, right?

ELIAS:  No.  This is merely a knowing of interconnectedness of essence.

Also, I may express to you that a very large reason that you feel emotionally the expression that you feel in interaction with myself is that you also hold the knowing that I offer to you acceptance.  This is the expression of acceptance.  It matters not what you express to me, for I offer you acceptance regardless.  Therefore, you are acceptable in interaction with myself in every expression and within every movement and moment, and you hold the knowing of this.

This is not offered in entirety within physical focus in expressions between individuals, but it is offered within essence, and you have offered yourself the opportunity to view this and be interactive with this complete acceptance in drawing yourself to this forum.

LYNDA:  Feels good.  Thank you.

ELIAS:  You are very welcome.

LYNDA:  Alright, sir.  That’s all for me.

ELIAS:  I offer to you affection this day, and I express to you that I anticipate our next meeting and shall offer encouragement in energy in your movement presently and futurely.  Be watching for your blue.

LYNDA:  I will.  Thank you.

ELIAS:  You are welcome.  To you this day, I bid you a very fond au revoir.

LYNDA:  Au revoir.

Elias departs at 3:46 PM.

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