Sunday, November 29, 1998  © 1999 (Private/Phone)
Participants:  Mary (Michael), Katie (Muriel), and Elizabeth (Dikto).
Vic’s note: Elizabeth is 12 years old, and this is her first session.
Elias arrives at 1:51 PM. (Arrival time is 18 seconds)

ELIAS:  Greetings! (Smiling, and a pause)  Are you wishing questions this day?

ELIZ:  Yes, I am.

ELIAS:  Very well.  You may proceed.

ELIZ:  My first question is, are the mythical Roman, Greek, and Egyptian gods real?

ELIAS:  Ah!  Interesting question!  Let me express to you that any designation of what you term to be gods, in literal interpretation, are not what you would think of as real — as the direction of an entity in some other area of consciousness that holds great power.  Therefore, your definition[s] of the word “gods” are not what they appear to be.

But as to the reality of the concept of these gods, I shall explain to you that the idea of your Greek and Egyptian and Roman gods are more closely related, or a more close expression of reality of YOU than how you view yourselves presently, for the idea of all of these gods in actuality is the projection of your own knowing of your own beings, and all of the abilities that you yourselves hold and all of the qualities that you yourselves hold.

Therefore, the expression of “god” is a term that may be more realistically applied to the description of yourself, in what you are as essence.  Do you understand?

ELIZ:  I believe so.  My second question is, how many focuses are there of my essence?

ELIAS:  Within this particular dimension, you hold merely four.  In this, I shall express to you that within your physical terms, you may designate yourself as what individuals term to be a “new soul.”

ELIZ:  Thank you.  My third question is, have I ever been someone famous?

ELIAS:  (Chuckling)  Within this particular dimension, you have not chosen that experience yet, although I may also explain to you that you are continuing within your manifestations in this particular dimension.  Therefore, futurely — or what you think of as future — you may be creating a focus in which you shall be manifest as an individual holding fame.

ELIZ:  Okay, my last question is, did I ever or will I ever have any focuses in Greece? (Pause)

ELIAS:  Yes.  You hold presently what you would term to be a past focus in this area of location of Greece, in what you may term to be an ancient time period.  In that particular focus, you have manifest once again as female.  You may identify that individual — if you are choosing to be investigating that focus and connecting with that individual — as a courtier, so to speak.

This would be a young female, a small one as yourself, which occupies a station, so to speak, of servant, although not within the capacity of slavery, but a servant to a mistress of what may be designated in your terms now as a Lady.  You are being groomed to be occupying that same position as a Lady within the court, in a manner of speaking.

This individual holds the name within physical focus of Angelica, and if you are choosing to be connecting with her, you may approach her within your investigation knowing her identification of name.

ELIZ:  Very interesting.  Thank you.

ELIAS:  You are very welcome.

KATIE:  Elias, this is Katie here.

ELIAS:  Good morning!

KATIE:  I have some questions also.  I let my daughter go first.  I have some questions for a couple of friends first, though.

ELIAS:  Very well.

KATIE:  Okay, my friend Brad would like to know his essence name and essence family and alignment. (Pause)

ELIAS:  Essence name, Yarll; Y-A-R-L-L.  Essence family, Tumold; alignment, Milumet.

KATIE:  Thank you.  He would also like to know of any shared focuses with his daughter. (Pause)

ELIAS:  Within what you would term to be intimate relationship, there is one shared focus in which the daughter holds the role of mother, and this individual holds the role of daughter.

KATIE:  Okay, I also want to ask the essence name of my friend Larry.

ELIAS:  Essence name, Tapya; T-A-P-Y-A.

KATIE:  Okay.  In a conversation I had with Tiamo some time back, he said that there was a blending of energy between Larry’s essence and mine.  Is that still occurring? (Pause)

ELIAS:  In part.  Let me express to you that in this action, there has been a mergence of essences previously, in your terms, which has been creating of the action of fragmentation in conjunction with several other essences.  Within this present now, there continues to be a partial intermingling or mergence, in a manner of speaking, in the direction of shared experiences within certain exchange of physical focuses; not necessarily this particular dimension.

KATIE:  Oh really!  So this blending was to create a fragmentation?  Is this a fragmentation of both of our essences combined, along with some others?

ELIAS:  Correct.

KATIE:  Okay.  So there has been another essence that has fragmented out of this?

ELIAS:  Correct.

KATIE:  Interesting!  What is the tone of that essence? (Pause)

ELIAS:  This tone would be translated into Lochland.

KATIE:  What is the spelling of that?

ELIAS:  L-O-C-H-L-A-N-D.

KATIE:  Okay.  The last time we spoke, you said that I had four other focuses in this time frame.  I think I may have identified some of them, or all of them.  I’d like to run that past you.

ELIAS:  Very well.

KATIE:  One that I have seen is a small girl with long blond hair and glasses.  Would this be one of these focuses? (Pause)

ELIAS:  Correct.

KATIE:  Another is a man, probably in his mid-to-late forties, in Greece, I believe, or at least he is Greek.  Would this be correct?

ELIAS:  Physically occupying the area which you term to be Turkey presently.

KATIE:  Ah!  Okay, what is his name? (Pause)

ELIAS:  Amin.

KATIE:  Okay, and the little girl’s name? (Pause)

ELIAS:  Translation, Alexandra.

KATIE:  Alexandria!  Okay.  And there’s another young woman that I’ve seen, with short dark hair, and I saw her in a corporate environment, possibly Jewish, and I’m thinking probably in the northeastern United States. (Pause)

ELIAS:  Correct; partially of Hebrew descent and partially of Hispanic descent.

KATIE:  Ah!  Okay, that’s why she has such dark coloring.  And what is her name? (Pause)

ELIAS:  Estelle.

KATIE:  What was that again?

ELIAS:  Estelle.

KATIE:  Okay, and there was one other that I just flashed on very briefly, a young Japanese male, possibly around thirty. (Pause)

ELIAS:  Correct.

KATIE:  And what is his name?

ELIAS:  (Chuckling)  Stuart.

KATIE:  Stuart?

ELIAS:  Correct.

KATIE:  Okay, so he’s not in Japan then.

ELIAS:  Ah, but he is, although the parentage is also mixed, in which the father of this individual is not of Japanese descent, and this be the reasoning that he does not hold the oriental naming.

KATIE:  Okay, that would make sense.  You also told me of a focus that lives in a future time frame, about a hundred years from now, and I think I have seen him in my dreams a couple of times.  What I see is a young man, about 25-ish, with green eyes and dark hair — short dark hair — and I get the name Mark. (Pause)

ELIAS:  You are correct; Marcus.

KATIE:  Marcus!  Okay.

There are also some past focuses that I think I’ve connected with that I didn’t ask you about last time. I was in this group meditation one time a few years ago, and connected with this Chinese woman on a mountainside, and in hindsight, I’m thinking I may have visually projected to her.  I’d like to know more about this experience in particular, and if this was indeed another focus of mine. (Pause)

ELIAS:  You are correct in the identification of another focus, although your identification of location differs, in that this would not be the designation of Chinese, but Mongolian.

KATIE:  Oh, okay.

ELIAS:  In this, you have allowed yourself to move through — within an experience of out-of-body — the veil of what you term to be time framework, and have allowed yourself to be connecting with this individual in viewing this individual, although not necessarily objectively creating a contact, so to speak.

KATIE:  So she didn’t see me?  ‘Cause it sure looked like she did!

ELIAS:  There is the appearance that the individual is viewing in response, but in actuality, what has occurred is that the attention of this individual was gained through a movement of energy which was not visible, but was attaining the attention of this individual.

KATIE:  Okay.  Kind of like how I experience Tom when he is manifesting out-of-body around me?

ELIAS:  Correct.

KATIE:  Okay.  Also, in a dream again, I had an experience with a Native American woman.  She was young and quite beautiful, and she told me her name was Pocahontas, and I’m not too sure about that!

ELIAS:  This would be an objective translation, but not necessarily the actual naming of the individual, but merely a presentment of objective imagery to be offering you an identification of a location of this individual within physical placement.

KATIE:  Okay.  What is her name? (Pause)

ELIAS:  Chi-Wah. (Not sure of spelling; pronounced chee-wa’)

KATIE:  Okay, and what time frame is she in? (Pause)

ELIAS:  This would be the time period of what you term to be early 1800’s.

KATIE:  Okay.  And what is the name of the Mongolian focus, and the time period of her? (Pause)

ELIAS:  This time framework would be within your seventeenth century, mid-point.  This focus name (pause) is ...

KATIE:  Oh my!  Can you spell that?

ELIAS:  ... Nocchta; N-O-C-C-H-T-A.

KATIE:  Oh!  Okay.

ELIAS:  This would be a translation into your present language.

KATIE:  Yes, I understand that.  I had an out-of-body experience about a week ago, and it was one of the clearest ones I’ve had to date.  I’m wondering if it was the focus known as Bartholomew that I was experiencing in that out-of-body experience. (Pause)

ELIAS:  Yes, you are correct.

KATIE:  Okay.  It was real strange.  At the end, it felt like I’d come back to my body, and then all of a sudden I felt a cat jump up on my belly, and I began petting the cat.  I’m wondering, where did this cat come from?

ELIAS:  This would also be a bleed-through of that particular focus.

KATIE:  Ah!  So it was his cat?

ELIAS:  Correct.

KATIE:  Okay.  I had a dream recently in which I fell off a cliff, and I was very, very frightened at first.  And then I decided, “Oh what the heck, I’ll just go with it,” and began enjoying the fall, knowing that I would die when I hit the ground, and indeed I did, and I popped up out-of-body, again still within the dream state, and was experiencing something quite different from what I had experienced in dreams before.  Was I still in Regional Area 2 throughout this? (Pause)

ELIAS:  Yes.  This would be the presentment of imagery to yourself, in the letting go of certain aspects of objective interpretation of certain elements and concepts within your physical focus, and the allowance of yourself in objective terms to be drifting into more of the unfamiliar areas that may allow you to widen your awareness in this expression.

In this, you have allowed yourself to be experiencing more of the fullness of energy which is available to you that you do not allow yourself to access objectively.

KATIE:  Cool!  It was great!  It was really very enjoyable!

I also had another recent dream.  Actually, it was more like a month ago.  I dreamt that my father was with me, and he was holding me and praising me for all of my accomplishments and loving me in a way that I never experienced with him in life, and then he told me that there were some coming challenges, but that he would be with me throughout those.  Was this actually my father, or was this imagery I created for myself?

ELIAS:  This is imagery that you have presented to yourself in conjunction with tapping into energy deposits of this individual — not necessarily connecting with the focus itself, but connecting with aspects of the energy of that focus which are deposited within consciousness — and you have offered yourself this connection to be reassuring to yourself and to be validating yourself in the area that you may be receiving helpfulness through consciousness regardless of the situations that you may be encountering and creating within your physical focus.

KATIE:  Okay.  The challenges that he described — actually, that he didn’t elaborate on, but mentioned — are they related to some of the difficulties I’ve been having lately, particularly with my roommate?

ELIAS:  Partially.  This would be an example of these types of challenges as they relate to the identification of belief systems and the movement into the area of viewing and interpreting and beginning to be accepting of the aspects of belief systems, which may be a difficult process, in your terms, for these are the very elements of this shift in consciousness that we identify as being those elements of trauma as associated with this shift in consciousness, which may also be viewed as challenges as you move through these areas of viewing and allowing yourself to be confronting, so to speak, these different aspects of belief systems.

KATIE:  Okay.  So how am I doing at moving through these?  Because right now it sure doesn’t feel like I am, (Elias grins) particularly with regard to the difficulties with my roommate.

ELIAS:  (Chuckling)  Let me express to you that as you allow yourself to move more fully into the area of viewing all of these different aspects of the belief system of relationship, you may offer yourself more helpfulness, and you may also offer yourself more elements of acceptance of yourself.

In this, individuals may be becoming confused in certain areas related to this subject matter.  In your experiences, you may also, in like manner to many individuals, move in the direction of attempting to be accepting of OTHER individuals and their behaviors, and in this action, if you are not viewing the aspects of the belief system that YOU hold, you are defeating the point! For in viewing the aspects of the belief system that YOU hold and addressing to these, you also automatically become less affected by the actions and behaviors of OTHER individuals, recognizing that they have not moved into the area of viewing these particular aspects of belief systems.

Now!  I caution you in this, that you do not allow yourself to be moving into the trap of what you in physical focus term to be self-righteousness, viewing that you are more advanced than another individual within your movement, for this also is defeating of the point, for it is merely creating a judgment in another direction.  It is merely altering your viewing of one bird and distracting yourself into the viewing of a different bird, but you have not allowed either bird to fly free from this cage of belief system.

Therefore, I express to you that your most helpful engagement with yourself in this area is to be allowing yourself to view each aspect of what you experience in the area of conflict and irritation, and each time you are experiencing these elements, you may express to yourself that you are confronting yourself with an aspect of the belief system, and in that, you may address to the aspect of the belief system that you are viewing and allow yourself to be accepting of that, and therefore lessen your own conflict.  As you hold to these aspects of the belief system and justify within yourself, you merely reinforce the belief system and all of its aspects, and in that action, you are moving yourself into what we have designated as the trauma of this shift, which we are offering information to be avoiding that action.

KATIE:  Okay.  Well, I’ll endeavor to examine those beliefs a little more closely.  One has come up that I think is a part of it, and it’s around my sense of security and fear of being out on my own entirely.

ELIAS:  And this would be a very large bird!  In this, let me express to you that within physical focus, you have developed these beliefs that there are needs within your physical focus, and in these needs you have also developed much fearfulness, for you hold the fearfulness of not meeting these needs, so to speak.

But let me also express to you that contrary to your thought process, the more you allow yourself to be trusting of self and letting go of your hold upon these belief systems and the energy that you hold within them, the more you offer yourself the freedom to be manifesting the very elements of your desire.  The more you hold to this energy within the aspects of these belief systems, the more you create the very element that you do NOT desire.

That which you hold as fear, you move in the direction of creating, for fear is a very powerful movement of energy.  The more attention you lend to your fearfulness, the more that you move in the direction of the actualization of the manifestation of that very fear and the creation of it.  As you allow yourself to move away from these elements of fear and you allow yourself more of a trust, you also offer yourself more validation to be reinforcing your trust.

Let me express to you that at times, individuals may initially move in the direction of expressing to themselves that they are trusting in the universe, so to speak.  Temporarily, this may serve as an efficient method, so to speak, in moving you more into the area of allowing yourself to be trusting of self, for eventually you may translate universe into self and recognize that YOU are the element which is creating of all of the actions of your reality.

But temporarily, you may allow yourself to be trusting in this outside force, so to speak, of the universe, and express to yourself that all of your needs, so to speak — which are not in actuality needs, but wants — shall be provided for adequately if you are allowing yourself to be trusting in this.

As you allow yourself to validate this trust by offering yourself examples of how the universe, so to speak, may be providing for you, you shall also be reinforcing your acceptance and trust of self, and in this you may subsequently allow yourself to move into the direction of trusting that in actuality, YOU are the element or the force, so to speak, that is creating of all of the provisions within your physical reality of your needs, so to speak.

Security is an illusion, and is an element of belief systems that you have created within physical focus.  You hold the ability to be manipulating quite efficiently every aspect of your reality, and to be creating WHATEVER you are choosing.  It is merely your beliefs that are creating restrictions upon your creation.

You do not believe that you hold the ability to be adequately providing your wants, and this is reinforced through your belief system of duplicity, that it may not be GOOD for you to be providing yourself with your wants.  Therefore, you create this wheel that you continue to rotate upon, and reinforce all of these belief systems.

I express to you that you hold the ability to quite efficiently be providing any aspect of your reality that you are so choosing for yourself.  There are many examples within your very physical focus that you may attach to, and allow yourself the validation of this actualization of creation.

KATIE:  I know you’re right! (Elias chuckles)  I know you’re right.  I just need to be trusting more of myself.

A little bit earlier today, before I called, I was having an unusual experience while I was on line talking with a friend.  I was swooning with this energy, and I don’t know what that was all about.  It felt very different from what I’ve experienced other times.  Can you tell me what that was about?

ELIAS:  Let me express to you that previous to an objective interaction with this energy of this essence [of Elias], if you are so disposed, so to speak, to be allowing yourself to begin to open your awareness to this energy, you may be experiencing aspects of the energy exchange of this essence [of Elias] prior — within your physical time framework — to the actual engagement of objective interaction between yourself and myself.

In this, what you have allowed yourself to be experiencing was the opening to my energy — which was within the engagement of interaction with another individual within physical focus — and the emotional quality which was projected and received and being experienced with that individual, in allowing yourself to be preparing previous to your actual objective interaction within this session, so to speak.

This would be the designation of what you experienced within FEELINGS, for these — in emotional and feeling qualities experienced within physical focus — were the experiences that were offered in the exchange with this other individual.

KATIE:  Well, I felt a lot of love, is what I felt.

ELIAS:  Quite.  There was much encouragement presented to this individual, for this individual presently within physical focus is experiencing much constriction physically, and in encouragement of this individual and not to be encouraging the automatic action of this individual to be moving into their own duplicity, I have offered an objective expression of breathing energy, in physical terms, into this individual to be lending helpfulness in the area of actual physical breath, which was being constricted within our participation of engagement of session together.

KATIE:  When you’re referring to this individual, you’re talking about the friend that I was speaking to on line?

ELIAS:  No — the individual that I have engaged objectively within session arrangement prior to your engagement within this session; within linear time framework, the same time period.

KATIE:  You’re talking about my daughter?

ELIAS:  No.  Another individual.

KATIE:  Another individual.  Okay.  An individual I don’t know?

ELIAS:  Correct.

KATIE:  Oh, okay.  You know, it’s funny.  It didn’t really feel like you though, because you always tickle!  When I feel your energy, it always tickles.

ELIAS:  Ah, but this would be the presentment of energy with you, but not necessarily the same expression with another individual.

KATIE:  Well, I usually experience tickling.

ELIAS:  Correct.  What I am explaining to you is that my presentment of energy may be different with different individuals within physical focus.  Therefore, you experience one expression of energy which you identify as familiar and the identification of my energy, but other individuals experience different experiences in conjunction with my energy physically.

KATIE:  Okay.  I’m not sure I follow you on that, but....

I still don’t get where this other individual comes in, and what that has to do with why you felt different to me this time.

ELIAS:  Very well.  Let me explain to you once again.

Recall — at the time framework that you experienced this feeling, you were engaged objectively upon your equipment, interactive with another individual, correct?

KATIE:  Yes.

ELIAS:  Now, within that same time framework, I was engaging objectively — within session — another individual.

KATIE:  Okay.

ELIAS:  In that action of objectively engaging another individual, I was interactive in the translation of energy into physical expression with that particular individual.

Now; simultaneous to that action with that individual, you — within your interaction with another individual upon your equipment — were allowing yourself to open to my energy, but to be experiencing the expression of my energy in conjunction with the individual that I was interactive with, not with you.

KATIE:  Okay.

ELIAS:  This was an allowance of yourself to be experiencing my energy — which is projected to OTHER individuals — in a different expression from how I am projecting energy with you.

KATIE:  Okay, I get it now. (Elias chuckles)  I was experiencing energy the way she feels it, or he, or whoever it was.

ELIAS:  Correct.

KATIE:  Okay, okay.  A little slow here today!  (Elias chuckles)  Let’s see.  What other questions do I have here?  I have one little one left.  Are any of my focuses famous or otherwise well-known?

ELIAS:  You hold one focus in the area of Germany — which you may designate as a previous focus — which may not necessarily be considered famous, but holds great recognition within that particular country.  I shall offer to you a time framework, and I shall express to you that YOU may be investigating and connecting with the information in conjunction to that focus.  The time framework of that particular focus would be late 1700’s.

KATIE:  Okay.  Can I ask, is this a musician?

ELIAS:  Ah!  I shall allow you to be investigating first, and I shall confirm to you in your connection as you allow yourself more fully to move into the identification of this individual. (Chuckling)

KATIE:  Okay.  I don’t think I have anything else, and I think our time is just about up here.  I had an e-mail from Malhai yesterday, and he asked me to convey his warmest regards, and say that he is looking forward to speaking with you at the pond.

ELIAS:  Ah, very well!  And I express great encouragement in this movement and shall be anticipating our interaction at this location.  You may express to him, hear hear! (Chuckling)

KATIE:  (Laughing)  And also, Yarr wanted me to say hello for him.

ELIAS:  Ah!  And you may express to Yarr great affection, and I anticipate our interaction.  You may offer to him my expression of lovingness.

KATIE:  I will certainly do that.

ELIAS:  Very well.  I express to you, I anticipate our next meeting, and I offer you encouragement in your experiences with your investigations.  You may also express with the small one that I am quite encouraging also of her to be connecting with this Greek focus that she holds also.  And to you both, I offer great affection this day, and extend the encouragement of my energy to you.  To you both, I bid a very loving au revoir.

KATIE:  Thank you so much, Elias.  I really appreciate this, and I love you dearly.  Au revoir.

Elias departs at 2:52 PM.

FOOTNOTES:

(1)  I have changed “their” to “your” in the following sentence, as indicated by [your]:  “In their [your] experiences, you may also, in like manner to many individuals, move in the direction of attempting to be accepting of OTHER individuals and their behaviors, and in this action, if you are not viewing the aspects of the belief system that YOU hold, you are defeating the point!”

(2)  For some reason, after I initially checked this transcript against the tape, I “forgot” about it, in that I didn’t proofread it and send it out.  Ron brought this to my attention, and then I had a dream about inserting a footnote, which didn’t make any sense till I proofread the script the next morning.

I have a partial awareness of this event that Elias is talking about.  From what I understand, there was a session directly prior to Katie’s session.  In this prior session, the individual involved began to have an asthma attack and couldn’t breathe.  At this point, Elias engaged in some type of action to be helpful, and the breathing became normal.  I’m not sure exactly what this action was, as this is very unusual in my experience with Elias, but that’s basically what happened.  The transcript of that session will not be available, as this is the request of the individual involved.

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