Wednesday, October 21, 1998  © 1999 (Private/Phone)
Participants:  Mary (Michael) and Katie (Muriel).
Vic’s note:  Katie initially connected with the name Muriel, and Tom (Malhai) confirmed it in a computer chat with Patel.
Elias arrives at 11:29 AM. (Arrival time is 28 seconds)  

ELIAS:  Good morning!

KATIE:  Good morning!

ELIAS:  And you have inquiries this day?

KATIE:  Yes, I have a lot!

ELIAS:  Very well.  You may proceed.

KATIE:  Thank you.  First of all, I want to make some confirmations and find out some essence names of friends and family.

ELIAS:  Very well.

KATIE:  Okay.  Essence name for Telly? (Pause)

ELIAS:  Thelma; T-H-E-L-M-A. (pronounced tel’ma)

KATIE:  I’m sorry.  Could you please repeat that?

ELIAS:  Essence name, Thelma; T-H-E-L-M-A.

KATIE:  Ah, okay!  Okay, and for Dean? (Pause)

ELIAS:  Essence name, Qann; Q-A-N-N. (pronounced kwon)

KATIE:  Okay, and my friend Michael in San Diego? (Pause)

ELIAS:  Essence name, Korale; K-O-R-A-L-E. (pronounced coral)

KATIE:  Okay, and my friend Steve. (Pause)

ELIAS:  Essence name, within fluctuation presently.  In this present now, the identification of tone would be that of Doret; D-O-R-E-T. (pronounced door-et’)

KATIE:  Okay, and my minister David. (Pause)
 
ELIAS:  This essence name has been offered, but is presently within fluctuation also within this present moment.  If you are wishing for the identification of tone within the fluctuation presently, I may be offering that to you.  It is your choice.

KATIE:  Yes, I would like to know what it is presently.

ELIAS:  Very well.  The identification of tone within this present now — approaching fragmentation, therefore there is an alteration of tone — would be Florall; F-L-O-R-A-L-L. (pronounced floral)

KATIE:  Okay.  Is this the one that he is fragmenting from or into?

ELIAS:  Fragmenting into.

KATIE:  Can you tell me what he’s fragmenting from?

ELIAS:  This would be a mergence of several essences, which within this present now are within what you may term to be a state of flux, which is creating of an alteration of the entirety of tone of these essences, for they are merged.  There are participating six essences in this mergence, and in this, an element of the combined tone of these six essences is creating the beginning action of fragmentation, which shall be creating of a new essence.

KATIE:  Great!  That’s cool!  He’s going to be real interested to hear that!

ELIAS:  This would also be reflected in part within the individual, in alterations or changes that may be occurring within their individual expression within physical focus or differences within directions that are occurring or may be futurely occurring, for the line of probabilities is altering also within the alteration of tone, which in some respects, within the physical objective awareness, may be obvious in certain areas.

KATIE:  Okay, let me go on.  I have a few more I want to ask.  Barry?

ELIAS:  Essence name, Harold; H-A-R-O-L-D.

KATIE:  Okay.  Can you also tell me his essence family and alignment?

ELIAS:  Essence family, Sumari; alignment, Vold.

KATIE:  What was that alignment family again?

ELIAS:  Alignment within this focus, Vold.

KATIE:  Okay, and Noel’s essence name? (Pause)

ELIAS:  Essence name, Sense; S-E-N-S-E. (pronounced san’sa)

KATIE:  And what is her essence family and alignment?

ELIAS:  Essence family, Sumafi; alignment, Milumet.

KATIE:  Okay, and Hal? (Pause)

ELIAS:  Essence name, Andrew; A-N-D-R-E-W.

KATIE:  Okay, and his essence family and alignment?

ELIAS:  Essence family, Sumafi; alignment, Ilda.

KATIE:  Ah, interesting!  Okay, and my friend Bill? (Pause)

ELIAS:  Essence name, Waldov; W-A-L-D-O-V. (pronounced as wall’dove)

KATIE:  Okay, and what is his essence family and name?

ELIAS:  Essence family, Sumari; alignment, Tumold.

KATIE:  Ah, very nice!  Now I know why we’re so close!  You said Sumari, not Sumafi?

ELIAS:  Correct.

KATIE:  Okay.  Then one more, my friend Dan.

ELIAS:  Essence name, Bukken; B-U-K-K-E-N. (pronounced book’en)

KATIE:  Was that first letter a V as in Victor, or a B as in boy?

ELIAS:  B for boy.

KATIE:  Okay, thank you.  What is his essence family and alignment?

ELIAS:  Essence family, Sumafi; alignment, Gramada.

KATIE:  Okay.  Let’s see.  I had another friend, Jim, confirm with you for me that this is my final focus.  I’m wondering some things on that.  What happens ... no, I want to ask another thing first.  Do I have other focuses within this dimension, in this time frame?

ELIAS:  Within this present now, within this physical dimension, yes.  You hold four other focuses of essence in this physical manifestation, which if you are allowing yourself to be connecting with in the usage of your empathic sense, you may be allowing yourself the investigation of this information of these other individuals.
 
KATIE:  Have I met any of them?

ELIAS:  No.  Within this particular physical manifestation, they occupy physical locations upon your planet that may be identified as removed from you in distance.

KATIE:  Okay.  I hear voices when I’m going to sleep, and also when I’m meditating.  Would these be other focuses of mine?

ELIAS:  Yes, you are correct.  You are allowing yourself to be opening within your awareness, opening your objective awareness to more interaction of subjective occurrences, and as you allow yourself to relax the attention of your focus objectively, you also allow for the action of objective connecting with other focuses, offering you the opportunity to be in communication with these other focuses.  This also offers you the opportunity to direct your attention in any of these areas to be connecting with each of these other focuses, offering you more information in connection with this present focus that you occupy your attention with.

KATIE:  Okay.  A few nights back, a voice called me by my name, Katie, and I’m wondering, was this another focus of mine that has awareness of me?  Objective awareness?

ELIAS:  Correct.  Now; let me express to you that there are situations of other focuses — with many individuals — that DO hold an objective awareness of other focuses of essence.  Just as you move in the direction of allowing yourself to open your awareness and be connecting with other focuses of essence, there are other focuses that engage a similar action.  You are not the only focus of essence that engages this type of direction, so to speak.

In this, I wish not to be confusing of you, for you are a final focus, but this particular focus that holds an objective awareness of you would be designated as a future focus.  Therefore, the awareness of that particular focus is slightly wider than some of the other focuses of essence which manifest within this particular dimension.

Being a final focus does not indicate that you are the last focus within linear time frameworks.  It is merely a designation of the action of that particular focus, which it shall engage in conjunction with the other focuses of that particular essence, but it is not to say that it shall be necessarily the most advanced in time framework, for the linear time framework of each of these focuses matters not, for they are all simultaneous.  Therefore, it is not in conjunction with your time framework that you are designated as a final focus.

KATIE:  Okay.  Let me ask one more thing about this particular focus.  What time frame is he in?

ELIAS:  This would be the time framework of two zero nine two. (2092)

KATIE:  So has he gone all the way through the shift then?  He is fully shifted?

ELIAS:  Yes, this would be a correct identification of that focus.  It has already incorporated the entirety of this shift in consciousness and holds a wider awareness, and therefore also holds an awareness of all of the other focuses and may be accessing the other focuses of essence quite easily, and in this also holds an identification of your experiences and your naming.

KATIE:  Oh, that is so cool! (Laughing, and Elias chuckles)  Okay, how many focuses do I have altogether?

ELIAS:  Within this particular physical dimension, you hold the numbering of 44.

KATIE:  Hmm.  And what about other dimensions?

ELIAS:  (Chuckling)  Let me express to you that there are countless other dimensions, and there are many different focuses of essence that occupies each dimension.  Therefore, it would also — in conjunction with the creation of the focuses of essence and the different qualities of different dimensions — be inaccurate to be stating any specific number of focuses held altogether within all of the different dimensions, for there is not in actuality a specific number of physical dimensions!  Therefore, this would be inaccurate, to be expressing any such designation to be inclusive of all physical manifestations, but within any particular one, it may be more easily identified.

KATIE:  Okay.  Somehow, I knew that was coming! (Elias chuckles)  These voices that I hear, are they all within this dimension, or are some of them from other dimensions?

ELIAS:  In this, you are presently offering yourself the opportunity to access not only this particular dimension — although for the most part they ARE occupying this dimension — but you also have engaged, on occasion, so to speak, listening to the interaction of limited few interactions with focuses that occupy different dimensions.  This would be very few, as I have stated, numbering only four occasions that you have offered yourself this opportunity to be listening to the communication of those particular focuses, but let me express to you that this also is an accomplishment in widening your awareness, for many individuals do not allow themselves to be objectively connecting with focuses that they hold within any other dimension than this particular physical dimension yet, although they shall be as they are moving more fully into the action of this shift in consciousness.
 
But within this present now, this is an action that individuals newly move into.  Therefore, it is not quite as common of an action as the action of connecting with other focuses that occupy this particular physical dimension.

KATIE:  Okay.  I want to ask about something else.  I also hear music, all different kinds, and I have no idea why, or where it’s coming from.  Can you give me some information on that?

ELIAS:  This would be the same action that you are incorporating.  As you are allowing yourself to move into the direction of connecting with other focuses, you are offering yourself the opportunity to be objectively engaging an awareness of these other focuses, not merely in the direction of listening to the expressions or communications with these other focuses, but also to be offering yourself the opportunity to be connecting with more of your senses.

In this, let me also offer to you that futurely you shall be engaging this action more and more, so to speak.  You offer yourself the opportunity to engage your outer senses, your hearing, in the connection with different expressions of these focuses, and you shall also be allowing yourself to be connecting with other outer senses — smell and visual — briefly at times, and this shall allow you to move into an area also of engaging your inner senses with these focuses to be offering you an empathic connection with these other focuses, that you may offer yourself the example of experiences of these other focuses; not merely moving in the direction of viewing, but actually incorporating some of their experiences, which shall be helpful to you within your direction within this focus.

KATIE:  Okay.  That’s really cool!  I have had a lot of visual images of some of these other focuses, and wow, I’m hearing their voices!  I want to get back on that empathic connection with you, but I want to ask first real quick, have I had other focuses in which I’ve known you, other focuses of you?

ELIAS:  Yes, but not in the direction of what you would term to be any intimate relationship, but more in an expression of acquaintance briefly within two particular focuses.  Let me express to you that many individuals that shall draw themselves to this forum and objective interaction with myself have held or do hold objective knowings and interactions within different focuses with this essence.  This is not to say that all of the relationships shall be in the direction of intimate relationships or closely held relationships, but within any given focus, you connect with many more individuals than you realize or than you pay attention to within that designated focus.  In this, there are very many individuals that have been in connection with myself in different focuses, which I am understanding of the objective fascination in this area with individuals within physical focus.
 
But I shall express to you also that for yourself, within your intent in this particular focus, it is more beneficial for you to be offering yourself an awareness and an empathic connection with your other focuses and concentrating in this area, for this shall be quite beneficial to the furthering, so to speak, of your interaction within this particular focus, in the desire and direction of your intent.  Are you understanding?

KATIE:  Yes, I am.  Yes, very much so.  I was leading into that a little bit, because I have been exploring other focuses of mine, and I want to ask you about those or get some confirmation.  I’ve connected with a few that I think I know a few things about, and know of.  One was named Mary, who lived in London.  Is this correct?

ELIAS:  You are correct.

KATIE:  Okay, and she lived during the Victorian era?

ELIAS:  Yes.

KATIE:  Okay, and she was strawberry blond? (Pause)

ELIAS:  Physical manifestation, light hair.  You are correct.

KATIE:  Okay, and did she move to Boston later in her life? (Pause)

ELIAS:  Much later, within older years.

KATIE:  Within what?

ELIAS:  Within what you would designate as older years.

KATIE:  Okay.  Okay, good!  And also, one by the name of Michelle, and she would have been in Europe.  I’m not sure of the time, maybe the 1500’s?

ELIAS:  Correct; late 1500’s, early 1600’s.  Born in France but not continuing to be within that physical location, moving at very young age to Austria and dwelling for the focus in that country, also disengaging at what you would term to be young age.

KATIE:  Okay, and did I also have a physical focus in Chicago in the early part of this century?

ELIAS:  Late 19th, early 20th century.

KATIE:  Okay, and what was his name? (Pause)

ELIAS:  Bartholomew.

KATIE:  Bartholomew.  Okay, do I have any shared focuses with my friend Tom? (Pause)

ELIAS:  Yes.  You hold shared focus futurely, and also you hold three in what you would designate as past.

KATIE:  Okay.  In one of these, was he my grandfather? (Pause)

ELIAS:  Past focus, by marriage, yes.

KATIE:  He was my grandfather by marriage?

ELIAS:  Correct.

KATIE:  Okay.  Okay, were the other ones close focuses or just acquaintances or.... (Pause)

ELIAS:  Within two, as what you would designate as acquaintances or casual friendships, one designated within the role of friendship, which continues for a reasonably long time framework.

KATIE:  Okay.  Okay, my husband Dean, have I been married to him in a previous focus, in another focus? (Pause)

ELIAS:  Yes, twice; once in reverse role.

KATIE:  Once in what?

ELIAS:  In reverse role, as you being the male and he being the female.

KATIE:  Okay, that was going to be my next question, ‘cause I connected with one in which he was my wife.  Also, my minister David, is there one in which he was my aunt or the care giver or a parent figure? (Pause)

ELIAS:  With this individual, you hold one focus in which this particular individual occupies the role of father, and yourself as son.  You hold another focus with this individual in which you hold very close friendship, so to speak.  You also have explored relationship in intimacies, within relationships as connected through marriage, through a relationship to each other within the role of “other,” which I have expressed previously, which would be the designation within your present time period as being identified as homosexual, and you have also held a relationship with this individual, not of marriage but of intimacy, and holding a relationship with another individual in the role of marriage.

KATIE:  So he was a lover?

ELIAS:  Correct.

KATIE:  (Laughing)  Okay!  He’s going to find that very interesting!  Let’s see.  I want to ask ... oh, I have so many questions!  I want to ask about my healing work.  What exactly is going on when I’m doing a treatment for somebody?  What’s exactly taking place?

ELIAS:  This action, you are allowing yourself to be engaging your empathic sense.  Now; I have expressed to you, within this interaction of this session presently, that it shall be helpful to you to be moving in the area of connecting with the other focuses of your essence in an empathic manner.

I am expressing this purposefully to you, for within the direction of your intent in this particular focus, you move into an area of directing your attention in this area of what you term to be healing, and manipulating your energy through your empathic sense, and the development of this empathic sense may be quite beneficial to you.

In this, as you engage your action of healing in conjunction with your intent in this focus, you allow yourself to partially be moving in the area of engaging empathically, and in this empathic movement you are allowing yourself to be manipulating of your own energy to be instructing of other energies in conjunction with other individuals, and at times with creatures.

Now; let me also express to you that you hold a similarity in this area to another individual that I engage information with within this forum in a similar direction, which you now are drawing yourself to, that you each may be beneficial to each other in your understanding and assimilation of information in this area, for you have slightly moved off of your direction, so to speak, in distracting your attention by incorporating different elements of your own issues of a lack of trusting within self.  Therefore, you begin to draw your attention to yourself now, in the area of addressing to your own issues in trust-related areas.

In this noticing and in this turning your attention in this manner, you offer yourself the opportunity to address to this situation of trustfulness of self, and therefore open the window to be moving more efficiently within your expression of your intent.

You have developed enough of your empathic sense to be identifying situations with other individuals and what may be the reasons for their creation of certain situations within them, but you also hold a part of your own energy and the manipulation of it in the area — once you have connected empathically — of directing the energy in an entirely free flowing and efficient manner to be offering instruction to their energy to be returning their energy to its natural state.

This is the area that you partially are blocking in — not entirely, but partially — and this is a response to areas of self that you are not yet trusting fully, and as you allow yourself to direct your attention to address to these areas that there is a lack of trust of self in, you shall also be offering yourself the opportunity to more fully and efficiently be manipulating energy within your desire to be engaging this healing expression.  Are you understanding?

KATIE:  I caught most of it.

ELIAS:  Let me express to you in more simple terms, so to speak.

You already engage your empathic sense.  You do engage this empathic sense as you are engaging your own individual abilities in the area of healing.  In this, you hold an efficiency in the area of healing, which is your intent or follows your intent, but in certain respects, in certain areas, you may be accomplishing much more efficiently within your healing aspects if you are allowing yourself to address to certain areas of self that you are not entirely trusting of.

This is not to say that you are not accomplishing in your intent, for you are, but you may be accomplishing more efficiently and more fully if you allow yourself to address to certain areas of self that you have not quite accepted your own trust of self in.  Is this clearer?

KATIE:  This is much clearer!  Thank you.

ELIAS:  You are very welcome.

KATIE:  Okay.  I want to ask something about my mother, who committed suicide.  Is she in transition? (Pause)

ELIAS:  Yes.

KATIE:  Okay.  I have some recollections of interaction with her, and I believe that this was occurring in the city.  Is that correct?

ELIAS:  This is a complicated subject matter, for in one respect I may be expressing to you affirmative, but in actuality, within what you term to be literal terms that you understand, I may also express to you no, you have not actually engaged this particular individual as a focus of essence.

(Intently) For as a focus of essence engages the action of transition non-physically, their attention is focused entirely within that area, and in that expression they shall be engaging the fullness of transition and shall not be projecting themselves to other areas in the manner of actual interaction, so to speak, with other individuals in other areas of consciousness.

In this, what may be occurring is that an aspect of that focus may be projecting to another area of consciousness and interacting with you, and it shall hold a similarity of tone quality that you shall identify and recognize as the individual that you are familiar with.  Therefore, in one manner of speaking, yes, it is a projection of that particular individual, but within another respect, it is not.

This is a confusing area for many individuals within physical focus to be assimilating and comprehending, but we have begun moving into this area of subject matter recently and addressing to this in different expressions of aspects of a particular focus of essence, and I shall be continuing futurely to be offering more information in this area.  It is being a complicated subject, requiring of much of your time framework to address to this particular subject matter, for there are many elements involved in this particular subject; the action of disengagement and of transition being more elements to be discussed in this.

Therefore, my response to you is that you have held interaction within the city of an ASPECT of this individual.

KATIE:  Okay.  Okay, I also had a visit with her, in a meditation that I was in, the night after she died.  Was this a connecting with her essence, or was this an energy deposit, or what was it?

ELIAS:  This would be connecting not necessarily with an energy deposit, but with that particular energy of that particular focus disengaged, which occupies the area of consciousness that would be designated as between physical focus and the actual movement of the action of transition, for at times individuals do not move immediately into the action of transition but occupy a different area of consciousness first, for they are experiencing an objective type of disorientation initially upon disengagement.

KATIE:  Okay.  Is my father still in transition?  Does he have any focuses presently in this time frame? (Pause)

ELIAS:  Yes, there is another focus held presently, and yes also, that particular focus is continuing within the action of transition.

KATIE:  Would this other focus be my niece Kimberly? (Pause)

ELIAS:  No, but there is the manifestation of a small one which is occupying a different location physically, removed from yourself presently.

KATIE:  Okay, so it’s not my niece?

ELIAS:  No.

KATIE:  Okay, let’s see.  I had this really weird experience with my roommate before she was my roommate, involving Hal and what appeared to be a demon, and two people that were very greatly affected by this energy.  I would like some insight on that, ‘cause that was such a strange experience!  I realize ... I mean, I have a different understanding of demons now and what they are, that they’re just projections of our own fears, but why was this house connected in this?  Both of the people that were experiencing it were connected with this one house.

ELIAS:  Let me express to you that many times, what you term to be hauntings are energy deposits that may be associated with physical locations, and they may be connected for reasons of the focus that occupied that area within space arrangement to that particular location.

Now; there are also many different expressions of projections of energy.  You are correct that projections of energy in the manifestation of what you term to be demons or possessions or any of the like type of expressions are projections of an individual’s fear, which holds enough energy within itself to be physically creating of a manifestation.

But in this, there are many expressions of this also.  At times this may be a projection of an individual’s fearfulness and it may be manifest in conjunction with energy deposits in certain locations, which lend energy to the expression of fearfulness of the particular individual.  There are many combinations of energy that may be connected to and expressed.

Just as within physical focus, you may move your physical location, and you may enter into a physical building that you desire to be creating your home in, your dwelling.  You may be attracted to that particular dwelling for the energy deposits that are held there in that particular location.  In like manner to this expression, there are situations that some individuals are drawn to certain physical locations for the identification of energy deposits that reside within that physical location that the individual’s fear identifies with in similar manner.

Therefore, just as you may draw yourself in what you term to be a pleasant situation to a dwelling that holds what you view as pleasant energy, another individual may draw themselves, without an objective recognition, to a physical location or dwelling that holds a different expression of energy in its energy deposits that the individual identifies with, and this lends energy to their manifestation of projections, and also lends energy in connection with that energy deposit to be creating of MORE physical manifestations.

Therefore, at times a projection of one individual’s energy in a fearful aspect, which may be seen as a demon or the like, may also continue in expression to then manifest as what you may view as a furthering of this energy expression, and may in actuality appear to move into the area of what you think of as a haunting of a dwelling, for this is the intensity of the energy.  As I have stated, there are many, many different expressions of this type of energy, and you may be surprising yourself at how efficiently any individual may be manipulating energy to be causing of very many different types of expressions and physical actions that may be viewed by many other individuals in this area.

KATIE:  Well, I have to say that the physical manifestations in this experience were pretty impressive!

ELIAS:  They may be QUITE impressive, and they may hold very strong intensity also, and may be in actuality creating of what you would view as physical damage.  They may be quite strong in their expressions at times, and this is dependent upon the intensity of the energy of the individual, and also in connection and conjunction with the intensity of the energy deposit within the physical location.

KATIE:  Okay.  In that same experience, when I was working with my roommate’s boss that one night, when we were trying to eliminate this demon from him, there was a voice that came through me, a very commanding voice, and it sure didn’t sound like me!  I mean, I can’t even replicate that voice.  What was that?  What was that voice?

ELIAS:  This also is quite common in these types of situations.  Be understanding that this is an expression and a manifestation of your belief systems, and it is a manifestation in conjunction with the belief systems held by the other individuals participating in the experience.  Underlyingly, regardless of your objective awareness of your belief systems, there is held, individually and collectively, certain elements of religious belief systems that are influencing of these types of expressions.  As you view the manifestation of the fear of another individual, and dependent upon the intensity of that expression outwardly and the projection of the other individual, you may also allow yourself to be moving into an expression automatically of your own belief systems.

In this, the cooperation is created that not only do you manifest the commanding voice, so to speak, which shall appear quite different from your own vocal tones ... for this is an actual creative manifestation quite in conjunction with the belief systems to be gaining the attention of the other individuals and to be moving in a direction of what you believe shall gain the attention of the “entity” which is negative, or within our terms presently, the fear which is being projected by the individual.

But in this situation, the other individual also holds an underlying expectation of how the situation shall proceed.  Therefore, all of you, within agreement and within connected expression and participation, move in the direction of the same underlying belief systems, and in that you create the accepted expressions in response to each other.  Therefore, in this expression, the projection of the voice within the vocal tones is a projection of another element of your own consciousness.  It is merely manipulated in a manner that shall be in compliance with the expressed belief systems and in cooperation with the expectation of the other individuals.

KATIE:  Okay.  Well, that makes perfect sense!

ELIAS:  I shall be expressing to you that I shall be accepting another inquiry, and subsequent to this we shall be moving in the direction of disengaging, that we shall not be taxing upon Michael this day, as he has moved in the direction of this energy exchange frequently recently, and I wish not to be participating in the taxation of physical form.

KATIE:  Yes.  I was just about to say, I think we’ve gone overtime.  So, I thank you very, very much for all of this.  I can’t express it enough, and I hope to have another chat with you another time soon!

ELIAS:  I anticipate our next meeting, and I express to you great affection.  I also am quite encouraging of you in these directions of investigating with your other focuses and your practicing of your empathic sense within its development.

I express to you an acknowledgment of that which you are already accomplishing, and to you this day, I offer an expression of my energy also that you may be incorporating with yourself, to be validating of yourself and your expressions.

To you this day I express very fondly, au revoir.

KATIE:  Au revoir.

Elias departs at 12:49 PM.

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