Session 317

Belief vs. Trust


“Belief vs. Trust”
“The Belief System of Rights”
“Physical & Non-Physical Transition”

Sunday, September 13, 1998    © 1998 (Private/Phone)
Participants:  Mary (Michael), Margot (Giselle), and Howard (Bosht).
Elias arrives at 12:21 PM. (Arrival time is 20 seconds)   

ELIAS:  Good afternoon!

HOWARD:  Good afternoon!

MARGOT:  Hi, Elias!

ELIAS:  We meet again!

HOWARD:  How are you?

ELIAS:  As always. (Smiling)

HOWARD:  I asked for this second session so quickly because we really went over on our time with Mary, and there were a few more questions that I had, and I thought we should start, if we could, on those, to wrap that up, and then Margot has a few too.

ELIAS:  Very well. You may present your inquiries.

HOWARD:  First of all, we were both confused about my name, Bosht.  You had made reference to it being a new tone, and we asked Vic if this was a fracturing — I’m using your terms and I’m not really too familiar with them — or whether just a new tone chosen, or what.  Could you tell me a little bit more about that?

ELIAS:  Yes.  In this expression, this is not necessarily referring to the action of fragmentation but to a choice in an alteration of the tone of essence, acquiring a new aspect of the tone and therefore creating what you may term to be a new tone which is expressive of this particular essence.  It is merely an alteration in the tone to be creating a new aspect or new element that is representative of this tone of essence.

HOWARD:  Okay.  I had asked what my name or tone was prior to that, and Vic said it was Betelgeuse.  Is that correct? (Pause)

ELIAS:  Not entirely.  It was within an alteration of fluctuation, so to speak.  Therefore, there was difficulty in translating that tone into your physical language.

In this, there was an attempt at isolating a word that may be close to the translation of the tone, but it was quite inaccurate, and therefore I was choosing to move in the direction of not offering the translation, for this would be offering a distortion in this area, for the tone itself was within what you may term to be a state of flux in choosing a new aspect of the tone, which would be altering of the translation into your physical language.

HOWARD:  Okay.  I have a series of short questions.  I really would like to have a meaning, a definition, for the place that we call Abique.  That name is still bouncing around, and I have come up with several meanings myself, but it’s an archaic, ancient name and no one seems to know what it means.  Can you help us here?

ELIAS:  This is a translation of an energy deposit within consciousness.  It is not necessarily an actual physical location, if you are understanding.

At times, individuals move in the direction of objective imagery and attach to certain bleed-throughs of information, actual physical translations, and then are building belief systems around these translations, which also is opening windows for much confusion in many areas.

Just as individuals have created many myths and belief systems surrounding your ideas and concepts of Atlantis and of what you term to be Akashic records, these are elements of bleed-throughs within consciousness that filter through belief systems and are translated into your dimension, and in this translation there is an element of distortion which is opening of this window, as I have stated, to be creating belief systems surrounding these concepts or the subject matters, and this would be another example of this same action.

HOWARD:  Okay.  I have been in contact with a woman, Vivien, who’s been kind of an e-mail partner with Margot and Vic, and she apparently moved or has moved to Florida.  I was sharing with her an event that occurred during the time of last April and May, when my eldest son had sent to me a series of two papers that he had written for a seminary class.  Apparently, he wants to become a minister.  One of them was called the Origins of Sin, and the second was the Epistles of Jesus, and it was based upon the works of John the Divine in Revelations.

And as I was reading the paper, I suddenly got this idea that John, to my knowledge, had known Jesus as a child, and yet the so-called live Jesus that we know from the New Testament, from the Beatitudes “love your neighbor,” seemed to be different than the Jesus that was in Revelations; very doom and gloom, and very contrary to the teachings that I’ve grown to love.

And so I had this revelation, if you will, or an epiphany — another one! — that the John of Patmos who wrote the Revelations was not John Zebedee, and suddenly I made a link to a place called Paphos in Cyprus, where I have been, and a cave there outside of the town where John the Divine had taken up refuge when he was in exile. It suddenly occurred to me that the John of Patmos of Revelations was not John himself, that he would have known the difference between the two, between the channeled information that was coming to him as opposed to the live person that he knew as a child.

And so Vivien was very, very taken by this, and she said that she had a great deal of imagery based on this, and that there seemed to be some truth to what I was trying to describe to her.  Can you expand on that or tell me what it was that I’ve just tapped into?

ELIAS:  You have tapped into information within essence to be offering you more accuracy in these stories.  I shall express to you that this particular John of which you speak, that has supposedly written this final book of your biblical books, is not the same John as was physically befriended of the physical individual of Jesus.


ELIAS:  They are two different individuals, and this individual that has supposedly written this book ... although I shall not express to you that this individual in actual physical terms DID write this book, for he did NOT write this book himself alone, but has contributed to the imagery of that particular story.  But in this, he is a different physical focus than the one that you identify as the companion of Jesus.

HOWARD:  Okay, that’s what I thought, and I thought right away that the Seven Epistles of Jesus was actually a Jehovah-speak, and that we were really getting Jehovah here instead of Jesus.  Is that correct?

ELIAS:  As I have stated previously, these books are more stories than they are actual facts, as to your manner of speaking and thought processes.  These stories have been created by a collective of individuals that have presented a concept and a philosophy to be altering the reality of your physical focus for a time period, which they have been extremely creative in their endeavor and they have been accomplishing quite well in this creation.

But this is not necessarily to be taken literally as what you now term to be channeled information, for this would be suggestive that there were one individual that had been expressing through an energy exchange, in your terms, and offering information of another essence in like matter to this exchange that I engage with Michael, and this is not the situation that has occurred within that particular focus.

In that focus, there has been one essence manifest into three physical focuses which have gained popularity and notoriety, but in actuality the events created by these three focuses are not entirely coinciding with what has been written about them, for the stories have been embellished quite to an extent, to be offering a point and to be holding the energy to alter the reality en masse within your physical dimension, which it has accomplished quite well!

HOWARD:  Yes.  Okay, my final question on my part here — then I’ll turn it over to Margot — I would like to discuss the book a little bit.  We’ve been promoting it and have been doing a lot of work on it, and as you may have heard, the sales are quite encouraging.  I’ve never asked a question about the book because I felt, “We’ll wait and see how well I have created this reality!”  But I do believe that the book is going to be quite remarkable in causing people to think about their belief systems, and it’s going to be an eye-opener.  At least that’s my take on it.  And I must say that every time I read it, I’m just completely overwhelmed by the words there.  It’s so beautiful!

But there is a great silence.  The book goes out and I get no feed-back except in dream imagery, and occasionally just out of the blue comes a thought from some ... most of them are female readers who are stunned and just overwhelmed, and they don’t quite ... I get this idea that people just don’t know what to think of it, in a good way.

I’m soon to be on a radio show with Patty Purcell — I see that coming up soon — out of Las Vegas, and this will be my public outing, so to speak, and I don’t know what the questions are that she’s going to be asking.  I don’t know what the questions are that anybody is going to be asking, because there’s so much controversial information in there, so much of Howard’s stuff that I’m not even ... I don’t know!  I’m very confused, and if there’s anything you might have to say on this, I’d certainly appreciate it.

ELIAS:  You have presented yourself with the opportunity to place yourself in the very element that you have desired to be creating: that you shall be moving into an objective expression publicly with other individuals in addressing to this shift in consciousness.  Therefore, you have created precisely what you have chosen and desired to BE creating!

In this, now it shall come to you with all of its force, and in that you unnerve yourself slightly, in confusion and not objectively knowing quite which direction to be pursuing this action within.

I express to you that your most efficient avenue to be pursuing in this situation is to be recognizing that you have offered yourself this opportunity, and in this opportunity do not lose sight of your responsibility!

In this, offer yourself the opportunity and the remembrance to be engaging your impressions and your empathic sense and to be using this in conjunction with your sense of conceptualization, and this shall transfigure your own energy into areas of responses to other individuals that shall be surprising to you objectively, for if you are trusting within yourself and you are engaging these inner senses, you shall offer yourself tapping into your own abilities to be responding to other individuals and their inquiries quite adequately.

Be remembering also of your responsibility, as I have stated, for this bears weight.  You have placed yourself objectively before many individuals, and within this role, you also willingly assume the responsibility that accompanies this role.

HOWARD:  Yes.  I thank you for that!  I needed a little assurance, and I’m grateful for it.  Okay Margot, you’re on.

MARGOT:  Okay!  Elias, about a week ago, I was reading in a session about an incident in which Mary had severe stomach pain, abdominal pain, and it was evidently acute appendicitis, and she recalled what you had said about the way to heal yourself.  If I’ve got this right, you don’t actually need to believe that you can do this, but you need to trust that you can.  And so she tried this out through this long, dark night that she had, and the next day she was fine, which was really quite a miracle in our eyes.  Now, do I have that concept right, that you don’t need to believe you can do it, but you need to trust that you can?

ELIAS:  You are correct in this statement.

MARGOT:  Okay.  At the time I read that, I was in a bit of a situation myself.  I do have asthma, of course, and we know why I have that ‘cause you explained it to me, that it occurred a long, long time ago, and I’m still trying to work with the issues with that.  But we had a bad storm move in here, a long storm, and this is the thing that upsets my lungs the very most, when what we call a “low” moves in.  And when this low moved in, it became harder for me to breathe and my lungs began to fill up, as they do when this occurs.  This is something I’m very, very used to.  The doctor has me watch this, and as soon as the pain begins in my lungs, which does not begin right away, but in a little while, a few days, the pain will start, and that is his sign, and he’s given that to me in saying that I must always begin to take cortisone at that point.  And in the past, I have learned that if I don’t do what he says, I wind up in the hospital, and it’s kind of a bad thing.

So, I decided that I didn’t have to believe that I could do this, that I should just trust that I CAN do this, and I found out really, really fast that I don’t trust myself at all! (Elias grins)

And so, I began to talk to you about it and explain what was going on, and not more than five minutes afterwards the pain was gone, and the next day I was just fine!  Now, of course, then what occurred was that I didn’t believe I’d done that! (Elias grins and nods)

I began to have a lot of doubts.  I began to try to tell myself, “Well, I just thought I had pain.  Well, maybe this low that has been here in Flagstaff for so long had begun to come up.”  You know, it wasn’t as low as it was.  And then I got very upset with myself because I had so many doubts about it! (Elias grins again)

Now, I would like to ask you about that, about that trust and belief thing, or the fact that you don’t have to believe, you just have to trust.  And the thing that I want to ask about that the most, or the first question I want to ask about it is, if it’s an issue that I have identified or you have helped me to identify, if it’s an issue that I’m working on and obviously haven’t gotten fixed yet, (Elias grins again) then I really don’t have the right to ask to be healed or to trust that I will be healed.  That’s the first thing I’d like to address.  Can you help me with that idea?


MARGOT:  Ah! (Laughing)

ELIAS:  You move quite well into the belief system of duplicity in this area!

MARGOT:  I knew that was the word I was going to hear!

ELIAS:  (Chuckling)  No, no, no, no, no! (Margot laughs)  I must express to you that you are moving quite efficiently in THIS area!  You have accomplished well!  Therefore, why shall you move into the area of your duplicity and discount your accomplishment?

MARGOT:  I don’t know!  Why do we do stuff like that?

ELIAS:  For you are familiar with this, and for the reason that you express within this very question:  Do you hold the RIGHT?  Oh, my, my, my! (Margot laughs)  This is QUITE interesting and also quite distressing, to be privy to this information!  Do you hold the RIGHT?  And what shall a right be?  Do you hold ANY rights?

MARGOT:  Do I hold what?

ELIAS:  Do you hold ANY rights?

MARGOT:  Obviously, I don’t believe I do.  But on the other hand, yes, I do.

ELIAS:  Ah!  Do you?  No, you do not!  You do not hold any rights, for no element is your right to hold or for ownership, for you do not OWN anything!

MARGOT:  That’s true!

ELIAS:  You also do not move in the direction of a LACK of rights, for the very term “rights” is a very large belief system in itself which is designed to BE reinforcing of your belief system of duplicity.

Therefore, do you hold the right to be inquiring for helpfulness in healing areas?  I express to you, no, you do not!  Shall you inquire for helpfulness for healing?  Yes, you may.  Is there any element of this inquiry that shows negativity?  No, it does not!  And is there any reason why you should not be accepting of helpfulness and why it may not be offered to you?  No, there is not!

MARGOT:  So any time I am asking for helpfulness, no matter what the underlying issue may be, I can receive helpfulness.

ELIAS:  Can you receive helpfulness? (Grinning slyly)

MARGOT:  Shall I receive?  Will I receive?

ELIAS:  (Chuckling)  You will be offered!  Will you receive?

MARGOT:  I see.  I got it!  I understand!  Thank you! (Laughing)

ELIAS:  You shall be offered helpfulness within EVERY request that you present for helpfulness.

MARGOT:  I see.  Okay, I got it.  Thank you so much, Elias!

ELIAS:  You are very welcome.

MARGOT:  Now while I’m here, let me ask you one more thing. A couple of weeks ago, I had a very strange dream in which I was with members in this forum, in the group, except that I didn’t seem to know any of them, but that was kind of beside the point.  While I was there, I got a message, an e-mail from a female by the name of B.J. Carlson, of whom I was very fond.  In this dream, I was very fond of her.  She said in the e-mail that her husband had died, and she wanted me to come to the funeral.  My mom was also in this dream, and she told me that the man had died under very strange circumstances, and that he was 33 years old.  I got distracted, though, in the dream, and I arrived late at the funeral.  Everybody was there except me, and there also seemed to be a Mary there who talked to me, but it didn’t seem to be our Mary, and she told me that we had been invited to go to B.J.’s house after the funeral to eat.

I woke up right after that, but I never actually saw this B.J. in the dream.  I just knew that I was very, very fond of her, and I knew her very well.  When I woke up from this dream, I was saying this name, B.J. Carlson, over and over again, and trying to figure out who this entity, this person was.

A couple of days after that, I happened to become aware that there is a man, B.J. Carlson, here in Flagstaff, for whom a lot of things are being done.  A lot of events are being held for him to raise funds because he needs a kidney transplant.  When I realized that this is an actual man here in Flagstaff that I don’t know, I was really confused then!  Can you tell me anything about what my connection is or what this dream was about?

ELIAS:  This is an example of imagery that you present yourself within dream state, which is tapping into the collective consciousness, and offering yourself information in connection with other individuals and events that are occurring around you.

Now; in this type of dream imagery, there is, as always, elements of translation, and therefore you insert your own imagery in your own translation to yourself.  But you also include in your imagery enough information that may be objectively verified to offer you the validation that you have tapped into this area within Regional Area 2 of the collective consciousness, to which you may easily move in and out of, so to speak.  You merely do not allow yourselves the interaction in this area to the extent that you are wishing to be.

But in this situation, you have offered yourself the retention of the imagery that may be translated into your objective waking state, remembering this particular name, that you may be validating to yourself in objective terms what you have brought to your objective awareness from your encounter within Regional Area 2 in the area of the collective dream consciousness.  And in this collective dream consciousness you may access much information, and in this you have offered yourself the information that this particular individual, without certain conditions, may be creating of a choice to be disengaging from this physical focus, in alignment with his own belief systems in these areas.

But this is not the point.  It matters not the individual area or situation or circumstance or event that you have tapped into.

The point of offering yourself this imagery is to be expressing to you your own ability to be accessing this collective area of dream state within consciousness, and that you hold the ability to objectively remember what you have accessed in this dream state, accessing the collective consciousness of dream interaction, which is directly related to your physical creations of reality.

Therefore, it is not a situation of your individual connections to this individual, but more a presentment to you of your own abilities in accessing this area of dream consciousness, that you may use this as a stepping stone to begin within your own dream mission to be accessing more information in this area.

MARGOT:  Thank you.  That is very helpful.  I kind of had to come to that conclusion myself, since I brought his name out of that so strongly and confounded myself so much with that.  Howard?


MARGOT:  Do you want to go on?  Are you through, or shall I go on?

HOWARD:  No, I’ve got a couple of small ones here.

MARGOT:  Okay.

HOWARD:  One has to do with an old puzzle.  Years ago we had a party, Margot and I had a party here at the house, and we misplaced an ounce of gold.  Are you any good at finding lost articles? (Margot & Howard laugh, and Elias grins)  We had two ounces of gold left from a stash of twelve, and I have one ounce.  I know where it’s at, but Margot has misplaced hers.  Are you any good at that?

ELIAS:  (Laughing)  Gold, gold, find the gold!  And let us move in the area of piracy and buried treasures! (Still laughing)  You may access your crystal ball equally in manner that I may access mine!

HOWARD:  Crystal ball?

MARGOT:  Well, you see, I didn’t actually lose mine.  He just thinks I did.  I don’t know where mine is, but I certainly didn’t lose it!

ELIAS:  Of course you did not lose anything, for you may not lose anything! You merely do not remember where you have placed this item!

HOWARD:  (With resignation)  Okay.... (Laughter)

This might seem a strange question, but ... and I must say it’s Howard stuff again.  There’s so much talk about the second coming.  I wonder, and what I want to know is, is Jehovah going to come back, or is he alive and manifested here on this plane now?

ELIAS:  This would be a belief system.  As I have expressed previously, there is no “second coming” in the terms that you view this, and I shall also express to you that there is also no Jehovah.

HOWARD:  Hmm!  Ever?

ELIAS:  (Chuckling)  This is a term that you have invented to be describing a concept that you have invented within your belief systems as a mirror image of yourselves.



MARGOT:  Well, if it’s a mirror of ourselves and I have hated this guy for so long, I better look at that, huh?

ELIAS:  Quite!

MARGOT:  Quite!


MARGOT:  Thank you for that!

ELIAS:  You are quite welcome.  En masse, you have created this mirror image, and you also create your own personal image in mirroring yourselves.

MARGOT:  I see.  Hmm!


MARGOT:  Thank you very much!

ELIAS:  You are quite welcome.

HOWARD:  (Still blown away)  Oh boy!

MARGOT:  I have transcribed two sessions of late, just in the last week or so, in which you speak at length about the energy deposits that may be left behind when disengagement occurs.  Was it this kind of energy deposit that my dad left behind when he died, that enabled me to see him and talk to him after he died?

ELIAS:  Correct.

MARGOT:  Okay.  Also, I want to ask about this.  When I did see him and talk to him and I asked about my mom who had died a couple of years before that, I saw her just for a little bit of time.  It was kind of like she stepped out from behind him.  Now, was this my ability to see whatever I saw, or ... well, I really don’t know how to describe it.  Was it her energy deposit then that I picked up on?

ELIAS:  Correct.

MARGOT:  Okay.  Now toward the end of this time that we talked, which was quite a long time, he showed me — or at least I got the imagery of — a beautiful range of mountains, very tall, stark, still snow-capped, although it was in the springtime obviously, because I saw the green, low hills that led up to this range of mountains and there were spring flowers and it was a very beautiful place.  In trips that we have made since that time up into the northwest, I have looked to see if I could spot this place because he told me that this place meant a great deal to me, which I didn’t quite understand when he told me that, but I never did find it.  I have never found a place that looks like this.  The reason that I’m talking about it now is that two or three weeks ago, I woke up from a short dream in which I was looking at an opera star, and she had on a yellow satin dress, and I was saying the word Banff to myself, as in Banff, Canada.  I got the impression that the female that I looked at was me.  Is that right?  Is that what I dreamed of?

ELIAS:  Your dream imagery is an aspect of yourself, yes.

MARGOT:  An aspect of me.  The mountain range in Banff, would I have acquaintance or do I have acquaintanceship with that mountain range because of this aspect?

ELIAS:  Partially, you are correct.  But partially, this mountain that you hold affection and affinity for exists futurely.

MARGOT:  Oh, okay.  So it’s in a future time frame.  Can you tell me approximately where it is on the planet?

ELIAS:  This particular mountain that you hold affinity for, you have partially accessed already, for this is the mountain that holds the entrance access to your city.

MARGOT:  Oh!  That’s why the picture that Tom drew of this range, with the city below it, really meant so much to me.  In fact, it meant so much to me that I wrote Tom about it and said that it reminded me so much of this time that I spent with my dad.

ELIAS:  Correct.

MARGOT:  Oh!  Boy, Tom will be interested to hear that! (Elias chuckles)  I got it!  Now then, my dad, would he have mentioned this because I’m connected with him in that mountain range in the future?

ELIAS:  It has been offered to you as an acknowledgment, for there is an awareness within himself of your draw to this mountain, and therefore he has offered you this information, that you would be connecting in this area futurely, as he holds an awareness of this.  This would be offered to you as a validation to you.

MARGOT:  Okay, that answers that.  I’ve been wanting to talk to you about that for some time.  Can I go on, Howard?

HOWARD:  Sure.

MARGOT:  I’d like to talk about ... I have some things that I would like to know about myself, or my essence.  Since upon fragmentation, all focuses of the essence in this dimension emerge simultaneously, does that mean that they’re all taking first manifestations in the first time frame? (Pause)  Or in the same time frame?

ELIAS:  First and last focuses or manifestations are merely designations of an action that they are creating or assigned to, so to speak.  Neither the beginning focus or the final focus is in actuality creating linearly by one beginning and others following and one ending, but they are designations by essence of specific actions.

One is designated as the beginning focus and therefore is holding no knowing objectively of what you term to be, within physical focus and within your belief systems, as previous focuses.  In this, it is an initiating focus.  It does not begin, so to speak, but it is initiating.  The final focus, as you are aware, is the focus designated as the discontinuing focus.  All of the other focuses do not hold these designations.  Therefore, their action is slightly different, for they are not influencing of the other focuses in the same manner.  They are influencing of the other focuses of essence in a different manner, but they do not hold the same designation of action that these two focuses hold.

MARGOT:  Okay, that leads right into what I want to talk about.  Let me ask it to you like this.  It would seem to me that all of my focuses presently are old souls like me who have been around a long time, but within the concept of simultaneous time, would this be the case?

ELIAS:  Let me express to you that our designation or definition of an old soul, so to speak, is that of an essence that holds many focuses within physical focus.  Therefore, you are correct that all of your focuses would be designated as old souls, for the essence holds the same amount or number, so to speak, of focuses regardless of which focus it is applying its attention to.

MARGOT:  Okay, that’s the way I worked it out too.  Now, of my present focuses now, am I the oldest in earth years? (Pause)


MARGOT:  No.  Okay, are all of us ... it would seem to me that all of us are in the designated final focus.  Is that correct?

ELIAS:  You are within the designated physical time period of the final focus, but....

MARGOT:  Okay, all of us.

ELIAS:  Correct, but all of these focuses are not final focuses.  There is only one final focus.

MARGOT:  And that’s me.

ELIAS:  Correct.

MARGOT:  Okay, thank you.  That clears up a lot of things that have been on my mind about that.  Since I feel like I have been here FOREVER, (Elias grins and chuckles) could it be that I was also the designated initiating focus?

ELIAS:  No.  You hold this feeling, for your essence holds very many focuses within this physical dimension.  Therefore, it also carries a feeling, within the final focus, of lengthiness.  This would be in conjunction with your perception of linear time framework.

MARGOT:  I see.  Okay, now I am sure there are focuses of mine presently in non-physical transition.  Is that correct?

ELIAS:  Correct.

MARGOT:  Since I am in transition, is it possible that I could be interactive with them?

ELIAS:  To an extent, yes.  But let me also express to you that the communication that occurs between a focus engaging transition non-physically is very scattered.  Therefore, it is much more difficult for you to be accessing information from the focus which is occupying non-physical transition as in comparison to their accessing of your information.

MARGOT:  Well, this scattering that they engage while they’re in non-physical transition is almost precisely what I’m trying to get to.  I have had many instances in the last few years of somebody coming through my door, whether it’s a door in the bedroom where I’m asleep, or a door at the office where I seem always to be asleep.  It’s very startling when this occurs, because whoever opens the door and walks in, in this dream state of mine, always looks very confused, kind of lost, sometimes angry.  And this has been going on, and it startles me so much that I wake up, and when I wake up I’m generally trying to get out of bed to go to the door.  The reason that I’m asking about this is that my mom has come a couple of times like that, and she seems much more surprised to see me than I am to see her even, and she’s very angry and very upset and confused.
It has occurred to me, rightly or wrongly, and this is what I want to ask you about, am I actually being interactive somehow with people who are in transition or with aspects of myself, focuses of myself who are in transition or connected to me in some way, such as my mom?

ELIAS:  In this situation, let me explain to you that as you present yourself with imagery of your mother, you are not in actuality engaging the actual focus of your mother.  You are engaging a portion of that energy which has identified itself in that particular focus, but you are translating that energy into the objective imagery of your mother.

In this, what you are offering yourself is information in the action of transition for yourself within physical focus, for this is partially a validation to you as to many of the confusing elements of transition within physical focus, for at times there is a leaning in the direction of belief that you shall hold no confusion within physical focus in your engagement of transition or that you shall not engage as much confusion as you shall if you are engaging transition within non-physical focus.


ELIAS:  In this, there are times within physical focus that you may be experiencing equally as much confusion as you may engage within non-physical areas of transition.

MARGOT:  I would agree to that! (Laughing)

ELIAS:  And in this action, you offer yourself dream imagery to be validating of this, but also to be suggestive to you that this is all elements of this action and not to be fearful of this, for it is offering you within your dream state and your imagery an explanation of what is occurring, and also giving you the preview, so to speak, at times of your own confusion, therefore offering you a type of validation that you may not move into as much trauma as you may be creating without this dream imagery.

MARGOT:  Oh, I understand.  So I’m kind of giving myself a bit of the experience to experience so that I don’t need to do that later.

ELIAS:  Quite!

MARGOT:  Yes, I understand, and I can see that that’s helpful.  While we’re talking about my mom, she disengaged about ten years ago.  I’ve never been able to imagine that’s having an easy time accepting all of her very strong belief systems, and I wonder about her a lot, and somehow, I don’t think she’s doing well.  Can you tell me how she is, and can you tell me if it would be appropriate if I were to lend energy to her? (Pause)

ELIAS:  This particular focus within transition moves into addressing, as you are aware, to many held belief systems throughout many focuses, which have been very strongly reinforced and lent energy to.

Now; let me also express to you, first of all, yes, you may be lending energy to an easement in this action of transition with this individual.  Let me also express to you that within your linear time framework, ten or twenty or fifty years of your physical time framework is not experienced in the same manner within the action of transition non-physically.  Therefore, it is not of great significance, the time, so to speak, which has passed.  In this individual’s perception of the action of this transition, it appears to be relatively no time at all, but there IS confusion which occurs.

Let me also express to you that transition is quite a different action from the action of this shift in certain areas.

Now; when addressing to belief systems, transition is that action of eliminating belief systems, in differentiation to the shift in consciousness, which is to be accepting of belief systems.  As you move into non-physical areas of consciousness, belief systems are unnecessary.  Therefore, the action of transition is created to be eliminating of these belief systems which are attached to objective awarenesses within consciousness and physical dimensions and focuses.

Therefore, you are correct that this individual experiences an element of confusion and some elements of conflict within this confusion, but as I have stated, there is much less of a time framework involved in this action than you are perceiving within your physical focus.

MARGOT:  Yes, I understand that.  She is not going to remanifest, right?


MARGOT:  No, I didn’t think so.  Okay, thank you for that because that helps me to understand a lot about what I’ve thought about for a long time!  I have one more item here that happened several years ago, but for some reason it’s been on my mind a lot of late.  I had a very strange but wonderful experience that I would like to have you explain to me.  We had moved just before this occurred.  We had moved into this home out here south of Flagstaff, which is a very nice place.  It’s full of pine trees and what-not, and it was in the fall after we had moved there, and on the nights that I went to the store and brought groceries home, it would be very dark by the time I’d worked all day and then I would stop at the store, and then it would be very dark by the time I got home.  So, I had to leave the car lights on to light up the path that goes to the front steps.
I had done that this night — I’d left the car lights on — and when I carried the first load of groceries up to the porch and looked out into the forest, I saw that on THIS night the car lights lit up yards into the forest, and it lit up a huge golden structure out there that I immediately thought to myself was a temple of some sort.  I didn’t realize, of course, that I’d slipped into some sort of an altered state somehow.  I don’t know how I did that, because it seemed even quite natural that I should be able to view this by having the car lights on.  I made three or four trips up the steps with stuff in my hands, and I would stop on the porch and I would look again out at this beautiful structure.  It appeared to be made out of pine logs, only they were gold or they looked gold, and there were no openings except for a keyhole doorway.  I made a note of course to talk to Howard about this when he got home, but having been in an altered state, I didn’t recall it until the next afternoon, and of course even by shining the car lights in just exactly as I had done the night before, we of course couldn’t see any huge, golden building!

I’d like to know how it was that I slipped into that altered state.  I certainly hadn’t taken any substances! (Elias grins)  How did I do that and not realize that I had done so, and what did I actually see out here in the forest?

ELIAS:  This is a situation of spontaneously allowing yourself to be accessing what YOU term to be an altered state, but in actuality is not necessarily an altered state.

Now; let me express to you also that this experience was to be a preview of that which you are speaking presently in the direction of transition.  It also was an offering of another preview to yourself, in tapping into the actual imagery of the structure, of an element of your city.  Therefore, you are offering yourself two actions at once, so to speak.  You are offering yourself the preview of information that you would be allowing yourself to access futurely, which you now view as information of your city, but in this action of what YOU think of as an altered state, you have offered yourself the opportunity to view a likeness to situations and experiences that you are creating now, within your creations of exploration in your experience of transition.  Other individuals are beginning to tap into this very same type of experience, which is directly associated with the action of transition.  This would be the situation of viewing and experiencing two different states simultaneously.
Within the action of transition in the design of senility, you occupy your attention singularly in one area or another.  You are moving into the direction of simultaneous time and viewing the aspects of self and events within simultaneous time, but you are viewing them singularly.  Therefore the individual appears to be popping in and out of reality in different time frameworks.

In THIS situation, you have offered yourself the viewing simultaneously of two different time frameworks in two different experiences.  Other individuals presently are offering themselves very similar actions in engaging transition, but not necessarily different time frameworks, but different actions occurring simultaneously and holding a very clear awareness of both actions happening simultaneously.

In this, you have viewed a future event occurring by viewing this structure, and this is connected to your interaction of future events within this focus, but you also held a clear awareness of the action that you were performing within that present now, being very present within the physical location that you occupied and attentive to the action that you are creating with your packages and moving them into your dwelling from your vehicle.

Therefore, in this situation, your preview was a viewing of two actions occurring simultaneously, that you would hold a very clear awareness of both and not hold a confusion in the activity of both occurring simultaneously.  This also serves as a preparation for the action that you engage presently within transition.

MARGOT:  I see.  Now, this structure that I saw then, if it’s future, is it future on this particular site, on this land that we are on?


MARGOT:  No.  I believe you said it was part of the city?

ELIAS:  Correct.

MARGOT:  Correct.  Wow!  That’s really interesting!  I’m sure glad I asked you about that! (Elias chuckles)

I think we’re done, Elias.  It has been great to talk to you again.  Howard, do you have anything?

HOWARD:  Yeah I do, now that we have a few more moments.  Some time ago, we had a reading with Archangel Michael, and out of the blue he said quite clearly, “Gabriel is leaving.” At the time, we were associating the four archangels with different elements of this dimension: fire, water, air, and so on.  I pondered that — Gabriel was associated with earth and matter — and I asked Michael, “You mean silicone?”  Because that’s ... carbon actually being the basic building element was leaving, and he said yes.  I think there was something else said there, and I don’t know if anybody’s ever asked you before or whether I’m getting into some kind of archetypal mix-and-match, but do you have anything to offer on “Gabriel is leaving,” why he would have even said that in the first place?

ELIAS:  This is a statement which is offered to you in the direction that you shall be recognizing that this designation of these angels are the setting forth of your own constructions and configurations of your belief systems.

In this, the statement of leaving is an acknowledgment to you and validation to you that in actuality, these beings, so to speak, that you have designated as angels are not angels.  Those are the configurations of your belief systems and what you have projected outwardly in your own explanations to yourselves of other essences, and in this it is an affirmation that within this action of this shift, you shall hold an awareness, as you widen your awareness, that these elements do not exist in the manner in which you believe them to exist.  Therefore, it is offered to you in this type of statement, in that manner of creative speaking.

HOWARD:  Okay.  I’ve hoped that some part of what we might say today would be helpful to others.  I think we’ve learned a great deal, Margot and I, and the readers will get this.

My final little point here has to do with a metaphor.  I think there’s a metaphor associated, or obviously there is going to be, with the Liberty Bell.  I know this is kind of out of the blue, but the Liberty Bell had a crack in it, and it was recast, and the crack appeared again.  Was this something that the consciousness of the nation at the time, while celebrating their liberty, created this symbol which would last for ages, that we would have a crack in our liberty?  And as Leonard Cohen would say in his marvelous song, “There’s a crack in everything, and that’s how the light gets in.”

ELIAS:  Let me express to you that within the creation of this objective imagery within physical matter, the very term of “liberty” is expansive and not solid.  Therefore, within the collective consciousness, lending energy to this objective expression within imagery has created this crack, so to speak, as an expression within objective imagery that freedom is not contained in solidity.

HOWARD:  Oh!  Which is a dichotomy ... what do they call that?  Well, it’s an impossible!  (Elias chuckles)  It cannot happen.  It cannot be contained within solidity.

ELIAS:  Therefore, your bell is not entirely solid, for it holds this crack, and in this is an expression more accurately displayed, of freedom.

HOWARD:  Thank you very much!

ELIAS:  You are quite welcome.  I express much affection to you both this day.

HOWARD:  We’ll be in touch when I start winning the three awards that I’ve set myself up for with the book, and I will remember that you have restated or helped me maintain my focus.  Thank you so much!

ELIAS:  You are quite welcome, and I am quite encouraging of your movement and offer energy to you in the direction of acknowledgment to you.

HOWARD:  Thank you.

ELIAS:  Be continuing to be trusting in self!  I offer to you both great affection this day, and anticipate our next meeting with much fondness.

HOWARD:  Thank you so much.

MARGOT:  Thank you, Elias.

ELIAS:  To you, I shall be expressing a very fond adieu.

Elias departs at 1:47 PM.

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