Saturday, August 22, 1998 © 1998 (Private/Phone)
Participants:  Mary (Michael) and Rodney (Zacharie).
Elias arrives at 12:16 PM. (Arrival time is 10 seconds)

ELIAS:  Good afternoon!  (Smiling)

RODNEY:  Good afternoon, Elias!  This is Rodney.

ELIAS:  And you have inquiries this day?

RODNEY:  Yes, I do.  I would like to talk to you or ask you some questions regarding dream images that I have, and a singular, unusual experience.  The first is an experience I had almost ten years ago.  I had awakened from a nap in the late afternoon, and I thought I saw a small doll suspended in the air about an arm’s length from me, a warrior.  I thought, “Wouldn’t it be nice if it was really there?” and I attempted to touch it.  To my surprise, as I was holding out my finger, I felt my finger being pressed between two giant fingers.  I was so taken that I almost fainted back into a sleep, and I thought, “This is too good to be true.”  And with that, I felt a kiss upon my lips, and was very, very moved by this entire experience.  I was hoping that you might be able to look at this experience and relate to me what is going on here that I have not been able to see, because what I’ve related to you is about all that I know of it.

ELIAS:  Very well.  Let me express to you that within this experience, you have offered yourself the opportunity to be interacting with another aspect of yourself.  Initially, you have imaged this as this doll in the form of a warrior.  This is another aspect of yourself which lies latent within this particular focus.  This is not another focus of yours, but another aspect of yourself within this particular focus which is a latent quality.

Now; in this let me explain to you that all of these aspects of self are, within themselves, as other individual selves.  They all hold the same qualities in consciousness that you recognize as yourself, but they identify with their attention in specific areas just as you identify in specific areas, recognizing you as the you that you know.

In this, other aspects of you may be likened to probable selves, but in difference to probable selves, they are not projections from you that you project away from yourself, offering those aspects the opportunity to be experiencing within their own right, independent of you, another reality; but these aspects are what you may term to be alternate selves.  These alternate selves exist as elements of you.
In this, you have in actuality allowed yourself the opportunity to view and to be connecting with and interactive with another alternate self of your own.  Therefore, as you reach to touch this alternate self, you do not experience what you may consider to be a barrier, but you also do not in actuality touch the alternate self physically.  Instead, what you experience is another element touching you.  This would be that aspect responding — the alternate self responding — to you and touching back, so to speak, you, in acknowledgment of your interconnectedness and of your accessing of this alternate self.

The experience that you have held subsequent, in the feeling of this great affection, is that expression which is offered to you of the great lovingness and affection that is held within all of the aspects of self to each other and to the objective awareness, for they are all elements of yourself, but in a manner of speaking are all also independent, simultaneous to being intertwined with you and elements of you.  Are you understanding?

RODNEY:  Yes.  I thank you.  My only question as to what you’ve just said is regarding probable selves.  You spoke of them as projections.  Does this imply that they’re not independent, individual selves in the sense that aspects or alternate selves are?

ELIAS:  Let me express to you, this would slightly in the reverse of what you have just expressed.  Alternate selves, aspects of self, are in one respect independent of you, but they also are elements of you.  Therefore, they are NOT independent of you, for they continuously are interactive with you and are aiding in your creation of your reality.

Probable selves are a different type of creation.  These are projections of yourself in areas of consciousness that you project elements of yourself that you choose not to be experiencing within this particular focus. Therefore, you project outwardly another image of yourself and are therefore creating of a probable self which moves into a probable dimension and is creating of its reality independent of you and your choices.  Once projected into a probable reality, these probable selves hold the ability to be creating of their own choices independent of your choices, and they may be creating of their own reality in whatever direction they may be choosing.

RODNEY:  Thank you.

ELIAS:  You are welcome.

RODNEY:  Is there any possibility that I personally know any of these probable selves or alternate selves, or is the probable reality so different from mine that I cannot experience it?

ELIAS:  No, the probable realities are not so very different from your own reality that you may not experience them.

Let me express to you that within this present now, objectively you do not hold a knowing or an awareness of any of these probable selves or of the alternate selves that you hold, although let me also express to you that you hold the ability to be connecting with any of these aspects of self — any alternate selves and also any probable selves — at any given moment, and in your investigation of these selves, you may also be offering yourself much information into their reality and their creations.

Be aware, though, that there is a definite difference between an alternate self and a probable self, for a probable self shall be creating of slightly different reality than you are creating yourself, whereas alternate selves shall be creating in harmony with you, for they are elements of you that occupy the same consciousness as yourself.

RODNEY:  I believe I understand what you just said.  I thank you.

ELIAS:  You are welcome.

RODNEY:  My dreaming of late, mostly this year, has been ... I have not been recalling, and I’m wondering, am I in a dream cycle where dreams are not coming to me with as much energy as they have at other times?  Or has my belief system shifted to where I am simply not becoming aware of them?

ELIAS:  Let me express to you that within the area of dream imagery, it is quite common for individuals to be experiencing what you may term to be a lapse in their objective recall of dream imagery for a time period, once allowing themselves more information objectively in the direction of a widening of awareness.  As you have chosen to be moving into the direction that you now offer yourself information that I offer to you, and you have been offering yourself other information in conjunction with this information, you move into an action of widening your awareness objectively. Therefore, temporarily you also experience a time framework of a lapse in your objective remembrance of your dream imagery.

Many other individuals have experienced this same action within the beginning throes of their involvement with this material, so to speak, but this shall pass and you shall be re-engaging your objective awareness of your dream interaction and imagery.  It is a temporary movement, for your attention moves more in the direction of your objective awareness, and therefore your objective awareness is not paying quite as much attention to the subjective movement that is occurring within dream imagery.

RODNEY:  Thank you.

ELIAS:  You are quite welcome.

RODNEY:  Over the years, there are certain dream images that have occurred over and over and over again, and I’d like to ask you about some of these because they repeat so often.

ELIAS:  Very well.

RODNEY:  One of them is, the landscape has been cleared by large equipment, like you would prepare a place for a large building.  So, I dream about the earth a great deal.  Its setting is normally a disturbed earth.  That’s one symbol.  Another symbol is very large mechanical equipment that moves over the earth, like huge trucks or cranes or earth-moving equipment, things of this nature.  Could you comment on those two?

ELIAS:  Yes.  Your identification with earth is your imagery to yourself of yourself.  In the recognition that there is no separation from yourself to that which you term to be nature, you image to yourself within your dream state your identification with the earth, which presents the image of yourself as being larger than merely your own physical form that you are familiar with.  This offers you more of an encompassing symbolism of essence, and therefore more of the wholeness of you.  In this, you may also recognize that one of your dream triggers that you present to yourself is earth, and you may be manipulating with this dream trigger futurely if you are so choosing.  Therefore, I express that your initial symbolization of earth is the imagery that you present to yourself symbolizing you.

As to the imagery of earth-movers or machinery that is offered in different capacities, you have offered yourself the imagery of vehicles throughout your focus many times within your dream imagery.  These vehicles at times may be identified with yourself, but many more times you commonly image these large vehicles as the symbolization of issues and situations that are presented to you within your focus to be obtaining your attention in different areas, to be addressing to certain issues that you hold tightly to.  Therefore, the image is a type of machinery that is powerful enough to not only be attaining your attention, but to be motivating you into certain movements in specific directions. Are you understanding?

RODNEY:  Yes.  Issues or even beliefs that are large enough to move me.  I thank you.

ELIAS:  You are quite welcome.  These are the presentment to you in acknowledgment that each time you present yourself with this type of imagery within your dream state, you are validating to yourself that you are moving into the direction of addressing to certain issues and belief systems and that you are being motivated to be addressing to these situations.

RODNEY:  Good.  So this type of dream is a good omen!

ELIAS:  (Grinning)  In a manner of speaking, yes.

RODNEY:  Yes! (Laughing)

Another singular dream image that has occurred many times is that I am either in the water near land or on land near water, and in part of the dream, a long, long cable or cord appears.  Frequently it begins by just being still or lying, like maybe lying over the land and then extending out into the water, and then I sense that this cord or cable becomes extremely tense, and moves, and there is an incredible energy associated with this cable becoming so tense, and it is frequently alarming enough to bring me into wakefulness during the dream.  Could you comment on this dream imagery?

ELIAS:  Quite.  Now; let me express to you that your dream imagery is your language to yourself in a subjective manner from essence to the focus, and in this it is translated objectively, and therefore there is the creation of the images.

Now; in this imagery, the cord is your imagery to yourself of a communication line or a connection that you hold to essence, you being the water and the cable being the communication line which leads to essence.  In this, as you image the tension and the intensification of the tension in this cable, the imagery is suggestive to you that there is an intensity of energy which is being presented to you as the focus from essence, in specific directions.

This particular imagery shall appear to you in dream state at times when you are participating in receiving an influx of energy from essence, so to speak, to be addressing to situations that may be occurring within your objective physical focus.  At times when you view yourself to be dealing with difficult situations objectively, you shall also be experiencing this type of dream imagery, which is the influx of energy that shall be helpful to you in your movement objectively in addressing to certain situations.

RODNEY:  Wow!  Thank you.

ELIAS:  You are quite welcome.

RODNEY:  Upon awakening a few days ago, I had a dream image that was quite unusual.  It appeared that I was in some kind of a seat, and I was being propelled or accelerated very fast forward over the ground.  I literally heard the stretching of leather as this acceleration took place, symbolizing the great force.  I can remember the stretching of leather, as on a saddle when one gets on a horse.  It reminded me of that.  As I propelled along the road or over the earth, I thought I was going to collide with a man that was standing in the road, but I swooped over the top of him.  This was a very unusual image and one that is very recent, and I wondered if you could comment on that.

ELIAS:  This imagery is presented to you in the preparation for your engagement of viewing and connecting with other focuses that you hold within essence.  You are preparing yourself for this interaction, that you shall begin moving in the direction of investigating and viewing other focuses of your own, and in this you image the leather with the sound of the stretching and the sense of the stretching, for you are expanding your own awareness and you are allowing yourself to open to your own consciousness subjectively, which shall move into an objective awareness also, allowing yourself more of a remembrance and the ability to be interactive with other focuses that you hold.

In this also, you image yourself as flying OVER another individual, appearing that you may be colliding with the individual, but in actuality you fly over this individual.  This is more imagery which moves in conjunction with the movement of connecting with other focuses.  You allow yourself the ability to view the other focus, but you are not intersecting initially with another focus.  Therefore, what you have expressed to yourself in this imagery is that initially you shall merely view other focuses and you shall familiarize yourself with this action, and then subsequent to that you shall allow yourself the interaction of mergence with other focuses and direct interaction.  But initially, you shall be viewing these other focuses as an onlooker, not necessarily as a participant.

RODNEY:  Is this mergence with another focus of mine possible within this physical focus?

ELIAS:  Definitely!  You may be interacting and merging temporarily with another focus at any given moment.  This is merely an action of allowing yourself the trust in self to be loosing your hold upon your attention within this particular focus and allowing yourself to access other focuses.  You hold the ability quite definitely to be interactive and to be merging with any of your other focuses.

RODNEY:  Thank you.

ELIAS:  You are quite welcome.  I am also quite encouraging of this action, for it offers you more information of self, which also offers you more of an ability to widen your awareness and your understanding, which creates an easement through your focus in the direction of addressing to this shift in consciousness.

RODNEY:  Thank you.  Is the exercise of viewing oneself in a mirror particularly helpful?

ELIAS:  It may be in many situations, for this is the presentment of an exercise which is quite easy for many individuals to be accessing.  It presents itself with more easement than some of our other exercises, in the direction of connecting with other focuses or alternate selves.

In this, you may be accomplishing, and once you have viewed the visualization of another form, so to speak, which is the presentment of another focus of your own, you may use this visual to ease yourself more efficiently into connecting with some of your other focuses.  Many times if an individual is allowing themselves a visualization initially, it offers them a focal point of familiarity, and in this they allow themselves more of a confidence in moving into connecting with any given particular focus.

RODNEY:  Thank you.  I presume I know the answer to this, but I want to ask it anyway. (Elias grins)  Do I have other focuses within essence who are women, who are female?

ELIAS:  Yes.

RODNEY:  Alright, thank you.

ELIAS:  You also hold several focuses that fall into our category of “other.” (Grinning)

RODNEY:  Would you repeat that?  I couldn’t hear it. (Elias chuckles)  I’m sorry!

ELIAS:  I am expressing to you that also hold other focuses that move into the area of our expression of “other.” (Chuckling)

RODNEY:  Oh, really!  “Other” being other than human?

ELIAS:  No.  As I express “other,” I am referring to this particular dimension and its sexual orientation and its preferences in any particular focus, and as we designate “other,” I am referring to the choice of manifestation in the sexual orientation of homosexual, as you term this to be. (Chuckling)

RODNEY:  (Laughing)  Thank you!  It just didn’t ring for a moment, but I understand now. (They both laugh)  That’s not surprising!

I would like to take a second here to move into a different direction.  There is a popular notion among certain circles, what they term to be a map of consciousness, so to speak. (Elias grins)  One is called The Enneagram, as popularized recently by an author called Helen Palmer.  It is supposedly derived from an ancient Sufi tradition.  This is the first one, and the second one is a mapping of behavior based on the concepts of Karl Jung, and it’s currently designated under the terms, The Meyers-Briggs System.  I was wondering if you would comment as to whether or not there’s any relationship between the division, so to speak, set up in these systems and the families of consciousness, which you’ve described, and the alignments that are possible within those families.  Are there any connections here whatsoever?

ELIAS:  Let me express to you that individuals do access within physical focus information that is in alignment with these families of consciousness and their intents, although they also attach their own interpretations and influences of their belief systems to these areas.  Therefore, they do not necessarily identify them completely with the families of consciousness, but I may express to you that they have tapped into some of the information that is in conjunction with these families of consciousness and their intents and their creations within this particular dimension.

Now; let me also express to you that there are deviations in this, for it is colored by the individual’s own belief systems and interpretations, for at times certain individuals are searching, so to speak, for the “blueprints” of creating of their reality.  Let me express to you that this is or may be quite a controversial subject matter, for in one respect it may be said that there are blueprints, so to speak, of each physical reality, but within another respect this is quite limiting and is suggestive that there is a certain method that must be adhered to within the creation of any given physical reality, which is not entirely correct, for physical realities may be altering themselves at any given moment and changing their realities into very different types of realities, and although you may make agreements for the creation of certain realities, the blueprints, so to speak, may be altered, for they are not absolute.

THIS be the area that there is an entering of distortion factors and that you may be recognizing of the alignments with certain belief systems in conjunction to information which is being tapped into.  Therefore, what I express to you is that there are certain elements of the information which is presented that IS in conjunction with certain elements that have been created, in like manner to accessing world views or energy deposits within consciousness in non-physical areas of consciousness, but these aspects of information that are accessed are also filtered through perceptions, interpretations, and belief systems, and therefore hold elements of distortion.

RODNEY:  Thank you.

ELIAS:  You are welcome.  Let me express to you that movement into the area of the dream mission, which your individual of Doctor Jung has accessed much in this area also, is much more efficient and less distorted than movement into areas of accessing information and then creating interpretations for that information.  In investigating of the dream mission, you may be offering yourself less of a distortion factor in accessing this type of information.

Be remembering, though, that in any accessing of information in the direction of looking for blueprints, THERE ARE NO ABSOLUTES.  And therefore, this may be remembered when creating your interpretations for information that you access.

RODNEY:  Very good.  Thank you!

ELIAS:  You are welcome.

RODNEY:  I will remember the “no absolutes” in particular! (Elias grins and nods)

I know of an individual, a teacher, who is connected with the old American Indian way and is a very remarkable teacher.  And one of the things that he asks his students to do is to take cold showers in the morning, and this is a rather shocking experience!  I’ve availed myself of this practice for the last three or four months, and one thing that it does do, it brings one into the here and now rather quickly and it propels one into action rather quickly.  I was wondering if you would comment on the value of such an exercise.

ELIAS:  This would be your choice to be participating in this type of exercise, but I shall be expressing an acknowledgment of this particular exercise in conjunction with the exercise that I have offered in clarity, for this exercise that you present yourself with is stimulating of your physical outer senses and brings to your attention the immediacy of your outer senses.  It provides you with a clear awareness of your outer senses, which directs your attention to the now.  Therefore, it is quite efficient as an exercise in presenting yourself with the reminder to be focusing your attention within the now and to be alert to your outer senses, for they are working in conjunction with your inner senses.

You may couple this exercise with the exercise in clarity that I have offered also, and in this manipulation of your outer senses, you may also be polishing your inner senses, that they may be providing you with more efficiency in their workings.

RODNEY:  This exercise in clarity, has it been tabulated under that name, clarity?

ELIAS:  Yes.  (The exercise in clarity is in session #122, 09/22/96)

RODNEY:  Excellent.  I will look it up, and I thank you again.

ELIAS:  You are quite welcome.

RODNEY:  We have a few more minutes.  Would you give me a second? (Pause)  I would like to talk to you for a moment about ... I have a daughter whose name is ... I won’t refer to her by name, but she’s my oldest daughter, and as I spoke to you before of this, she has chosen to experience a rather severe and crippling case of what is called schizophrenia.  My question to you now is, what other roles have this person and I shared in other focuses?  Is it possible for you to comment on that?
ELIAS:  Absolutely.  I may also be encouraging of you to be investigating of these focuses for yourself, for this shall hold much more influence with you than my mere offering of information, but I shall offer you a beginning of information that shall serve to be motivating you in the direction of your own investigations.

Let me express to you that you hold another focus in which you occupy the roles in the same capacity as do you within this focus; you being the father, this individual being the daughter.  This would be in what you may term to be the location of rural area, farmland, in what is known as Tibet.  This would be removed from you presently, in the time framework of fifth century.  You may be investigating of this particular focus, for in this particular focus you have created quite a similar action as you have created in this present focus, for within that focus the daughter also expresses an unusual creation of her individual reality, not aligning with the officially accepted reality.  But you may also view within that focus the differences in belief systems, for the expressions are much more accepted in that particular focus, for the individuals that occupy that focus move in the direction of accepting these expressions as mystical and therefore revering these expressions.  In investigating this particular focus, you may offer yourself more of an understanding of THIS particular focus and this individual’s creation, for this particular essence chooses to be manifesting in many different focuses within this dimension and not to be complying with the officially accepted realities.

There are some focuses that are occupied, one of which you occupy with this individual also, that move in unusual societal directions within themselves, therefore providing a freer expression, and in this the essence is not moving outside of the officially accepted reality.  There is one particular focus that you both occupy in the area of which you now recognize as New Guinea, which in ancient time period held a small tribe of individuals, and within THAT particular society, you both are aligning with the officially accepted beliefs and expressions and behaviors.  But in investigating of that focus, you may also recognize that the practices and beliefs would be viewed within this focus as quite unconventional.

RODNEY:  Okay ... as viewed from here.

ELIAS:  Correct.  Now; within the location of the focus occupied in New Guinea, this would be within a time framework that you would identify as twelfth century.

RODNEY:  Can you ... would it help me to be more specific on the location?  Was it near the ocean?  Was it on a mountain?

ELIAS:  In the area of New Guinea, your location is much nearer to your sea than to mountainous areas.
RODNEY:  Do you believe that there is any available information in official records that may help me look at that, or is that not a worthwhile avenue of investigation?

ELIAS:  It is unimportant.  This merely serves at times for your objective validation in the area of your own questioning and your own skepticism, not of that which I speak, but of yourselves, for it matters not what I may be offering to you, for it is your own acceptance of self that you question.  It matters not that you question me or my information.  What holds importance is that you be accepting of your own information and the validation that you connect to with self.

In this, as you continue to be investigating of your focuses, you may offer yourself the remembrance of a particular focus that you may be viewing objectively within your historical records, but as I have stated, this would merely be for your own objective validation, not to be validating any of my information.  And in this, I express to you that this is quite likened to a parlor trick, for you hold the knowing within you, and you shall know when the information rings true with you, and you shall hold no doubt in the area of knowing that you have connected with another of your own focuses, and in this you shall not be needing of this type of objective validation.

This is not to say that this type of validation is bad, for it is not.  It merely is another form of validation.  It also is unnecessary, but I am encouraging, as I have stated, in the direction of viewing any of your focuses for the purpose of your own offering of information to yourself and self-validation in that area.  Therefore, if you choose to be moving in the direction of interaction with any given focus that you may objectively validate through your historical records, I shall be acknowledging of this action also, for it is an action of connecting with self and offering you more of an opportunity to be trusting and acknowledging of yourself and therefore accepting of yourself.

Let me also express to you that within this focus of New Guinea, your daughter does not occupy the role of daughter.  You are not related to each other in the capacity of family, but are members of the same tribe, so to speak.

RODNEY:  Was she a man or a women?

ELIAS:  Within that particular focus, she occupies the role of male and you occupy the role of female.

RODNEY:  I really thank you.  My relationship with this being has been a very energetic one, and the more understanding I acquire regarding it, the more fulfilled I feel.  I thank you for all of your help regarding it.
ELIAS:  You are quite welcome, and I am quite encouraging in the area of the investigation of this focus that you share within the farmlands of Tibet, for this shall be offering you more personal information that shall align closely with this particular focus presently also.

RODNEY:  I thank you very, very much.  Our time has come to a close.  I look forward to speaking with you again.

ELIAS:  And I also with you.  I am quite anticipating our next meeting, and I am offering you much affection and encouragement in your sojourn that you endeavor to be creating presently, and I shall be acknowledging of your movement and expressing to you that you shall be re-engaging your objective remembrance of your dream state.  Therefore, fear not! (Chuckling)

RODNEY:  Thank you!

ELIAS:  You are quite welcome.  I express much lovingness to you this day, Zacharie, and I offer you a very fond adieu.

Elias departs at 1:20 PM.

Vic’s note:  Mary’s dogs were going nuts during this session, which has happened before, but not in quite the same way.  Usually this only happens if somebody knocks on the door, at which time they start running around and barking.  Nobody knocked on the door and the dogs never barked, but they DID whine and jump around throughout the session.  They even appeared to run into Elias several times, but he didn’t respond at all.  I found it interesting that there was no response whatsoever from Elias.

The other thing I noticed during this session was that Elias tapped his fingers continuously — major finger-tapping!

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