Thursday, June 25, 1998  © 1998 (Private/Phone)
Participants:  Mary (Michael) and Mike (Mikah).
A start time is unavailable.  Elias' arrival time is 18 seconds.  

ELIAS:  Good afternoon!

MIKE:  Good afternoon!

ELIAS:  (Chuckling)  And at this meeting, you have not created any interference that you have allowed yourself a waiting period in?  (They both laugh)

MIKE:  I have a request to ask.  Before the end of the session, can you stop about ten minutes before?  Candace has a question for you.  (Mike is a teenager, and Candace is Nicky, who is his mom)

ELIAS:  Very well.

MIKE:  Okay.  Alrighty then!  My first question would be around the thing of the focuses that we shared.  Okay, I did a little bit of investigating.  Was one of them anywhere in Greece?

ELIAS:  (Accessing)  Actually, this focus that you are connecting to is located in Cyprus.

MIKE:  Cyprus.  And what was the relationship then?  Friends?

ELIAS:  This would be a relationship holding slightly more than acquaintances, but not in the vein of extremely close friendship.

MIKE:  Okay, and the other one that I think I came up with was somewhere in the west, like western outlaws or something like that?

ELIAS:  You hold a focus in this time frame, but I have not manifest in any of my focuses in your country of North America within its history.

MIKE:  Okay.  Well then, would you be offering of any other focuses that we shared other than the Oscar Wilde focus or the Cyprus one?  'Cause that's all I can come up with!

ELIAS:  (Chuckling)  Be investigating of a focus shared in an area of Mongolia in very ancient time framework.

MIKE:  Is this just one focus, or many?

ELIAS:  This would be one focus shared between myself and yourself, and you may be investigating and connecting to this particular focus, in which you have occupied the position of a monk.

MIKE:  Monk!  Okay, is that the only connection I have with you then, of the focuses we've shared?

ELIAS:  All essences are interconnected and therefore share many different elements within consciousness, but much of the interconnectedness is expressed through their choices of manifestation into physical focuses.  You may also be investigating of other dimensional focuses which I occupied, and you have occupied also.

MIKE:  So we shared more focuses in other dimensions then?

ELIAS:  Correct.

MIKE:  Okay, and now to come down to my next question: Why is it that everyone I know in this forum has like seen you or had interaction with you or has picked up your presence, but yet I don't?

ELIAS:  (Chuckling)  You have chosen to be interactive with me, but you have also chosen not to be engaging with me physically at this time.

Now; I shall express to you that not all individuals that interact with me objectively have offered themselves the opportunity to be physically within my presence.  You do not occupy the position solely of being the only individual that has held interaction with me objectively, but not within physical presence.

In this, individuals choose to be interactive with me at times NOT physically, but to be experiencing an interaction objectively and speaking with me, merely not engaging physically; for subjectively, there is a knowing of the energy exchange that occurs within physical presence.  This is not to say that you do not experience a physical energy exchange and a knowing of this within any interaction that you engage with myself, but within physical presence, the exchange and the affectingness of the energy is slightly more of an intensity.  Therefore, you, as with some other individuals, choose presently not to be engaging that action.

I may express to you also that within the probabilities that you are moving into, there is a probability that you may choose to be engaging with myself in physical presence futurely.  Mind you, this is a probability.  Therefore, this is not offered as a prediction of future events, but that it is within your line of probabilities that you may be choosing to create.

MIKE:  And when you say I may be engaging with you physically, what do you mean?  I don't understand.

ELIAS:  You hold the potential for a probability futurely to be interactive with myself in engaging in this type of action -- of a session -- within physical location.

Vic's note:  Mike's interaction with Elias has been long-distance via telephone.  He lives in Castaic, which is where the first three years of sessions were held, but didn't choose to attend at that time.

MIKE:  Oh, okay, I see.  I get you.  Alright.  Now I have a question about some of my past focuses.  I've done some investigating there also.  How am I connected with Alexander the Great?

ELIAS:  A soldier within the army.

MIKE:  Okay, so I was a soldier.  I compiled a list of other names.  Are any of them even close?  (10-second pause)

ELIAS:  Let me express to you that at times you may hold a fascination with certain historical figures, and this is not necessarily suggestive that you have been in actuality occupying the same focus as these individuals, but that there are elements of the creations of situations with these types of individuals that are offering you a remembrance of similar creations in different focuses.  Are you understanding?  (Major finger-tapping happening here!)

MIKE:  Yes.

ELIAS:  Therefore, for the most part, each individual at one point or another has created at least one focus within this particular dimension of being either an individual holding fame or power or being a historical figure, but for the most part your focuses may be within the same time period and even within the same general location of certain historical figures, but that your personal interaction may not be encompassing of direct objective involvement with these individuals personally.  You merely draw yourself to different figures throughout your history to be identifying with certain elements in your remembrance of your own particular focuses.

I shall offer to you that within your focus of western experience in this particular country, you have not been involved with any of your historical figures that you are familiar with, but have engaged the exploration of westward movement from eastern location within this country in the pursuit of riches within the element of gold.  You did not move westerly to be a settler, so to speak, but upon a quest for riches in western areas of this particular country.

MIKE:  Wow.  Then may I ask, can you offer me a focus of someone who is like someone of some historical reputation?  'Cause I did a little bit of investigating, and as it looks, I wasn't very successful.

ELIAS:  Ah, do not be discounting of yourself!  Be remembering and understanding that you draw yourself within this investigation not necessarily to the absoluteness of certain historical individuals, but to give yourself information of the time period and the political situations within the societies which have been influencing of your focuses.  This offers you the beginning of your investigation.  Therefore, do not be expressing that you have been unsuccessful, for you have not been unsuccessful!  You are merely identifying absolutely with individuals, in difference to looking to the situations and the environments which have been created within those particular focuses.

You have been in the presence of your Alexander the Great, as he is known, although you did not hold a friendship or an objective relationship with this individual in the manner that you are thinking.  You have been a participant within his army and have served many missions with this individual and hold loyalty to him, but your experience within that particular focus is not necessarily directly engaging relationship with that individual.

MIKE:  Okay.  Well, then let me ask you this.  Have I ever been anyone who has been, as one of my focuses or IS one of my focuses, that has made themselves famous, so to speak?

ELIAS:  Yes.  (Still finger-tapping)

MIKE:  Who?

ELIAS:  (Accessing)  You may be investigating of a German focus in which you have created an element of notoriety for yourself in the area of a German writer.

MIKE:  A German writer.

ELIAS:  Correct.  This individual shall be within your reference books.  Therefore, you may be investigating and connecting to this past, so to speak, focus and you may confirm this within your present references historically.  The individual is known enough to be within your books presently.

MIKE:  Is that the only focus that I could be investigating of in this manner?

ELIAS:  You hold one other focus as a Cardinal within the location of Rome that you may also be investigating.
Vic's note:  Here, somebody knocks on the door and Mary's dog starts barking.  There is a brief pause, and then the person knocks again and the dog starts barking again, and then a third time.

MIKE:  What are they doing?

ELIAS:  Excuse.  (Elias pops out and Mary pops in)

BREAK:   There is a 2 1/2 minute break as Mary answers the door.
RESUME:  Arrival time is 3 seconds.

ELIAS:  Continuing.

MIKE:  Yes!  Okay, I've also done a little bit of investigating with the three other focuses that you gave me that I have in this same time frame.

ELIAS:  Correct.

MIKE:  Okay.  Now, you're probably aware of the investigating I've done, correct?

ELIAS:  Correct.

MIKE:  Am I right in any of these?

ELIAS:  You are moving in the direction of connecting with these other individuals.  I shall express to you to be investigating farther southward in physical location of one.

MIKE:  Do you mean the focus in South America?

ELIAS:  Correct.

MIKE:  Hmm.  Okay, I've come up with a list of alignments for those.  Have I even come close to any of them?

ELIAS:  Express, for purpose of offering helpfulness to other individuals that may be attempting this same process and shall be connecting with this information through its written transcript.

MIKE:  Okay.  The focus in Siberia, I wasn't sure.  I came up with either Milumet or Tumold.

ELIAS:  Tumold.

MIKE:  Ha!  Okay, the one in New Zealand I think is Ilda.

ELIAS:  New Zealand holds the Milumet.

MIKE:  Oh, so that's where the Milumet comes in.  Okay, then the South American one, would that be Borledim?

ELIAS:  Yes.

MIKE:  Yes!  Ha!  Okay, and another question.  The focus I had in Siberia, is that a female?

ELIAS:  Yes.

MIKE:  Ha!  I'm not sure about the one in New Zealand, but the South American one, is that a male?

ELIAS:  Yes.

MIKE:  So the dream I had was the South American focus I have.

ELIAS:  Correct.

MIKE:  Correct.  Okay.  Occupation-wise, is the focus I have in New Zealand, is that person an actor?

ELIAS:  Yes, you are correct.

MIKE:  Oh, goodie!  What kind of acting, may I ask, do they do?  Is it like TV acting, movie acting, theater acting ...?

ELIAS:  Theater; presently within small theater groups.

MIKE:  Small theater groups.  Okay.  My impression is that this one is also a male.

ELIAS:  You are correct.

MIKE:  Okay.  Oh, goodie!  (Elias chuckles)  Alright.  My mom and I were talking the other day and we thought it awkward that between me and her, we've found just about every connection that we have with everyone else but me and her.  So now I'm asking, what is the connection between me and my mother, besides many focuses spent together?

ELIAS:  This would be the connection that you have chosen to be creating.  As I have expressed to you earlier within this session, this would be the objective manifestation that essences participate within, in what you term to be your knowing of your connections.

MIKE:  So, like fragment-wise, are we of like of the same essence?  Or is one of us from the other?  I've got many impressions with this.  I don't even know where to begin with this one.

ELIAS:  You are not fragmented of each other, so to speak.  One of you is not fragmented from the other essence, although if you are speaking in linear terms, I may express to you that you may trace the fragmentation to a common fragmentation at one point, but this is figuratively speaking, for all of this action occurs simultaneously.  Therefore, it is difficult for your comprehension within physical focus to be understanding the action of fragmentation, and that all of the experiences and information held within one essence is also held within the fragmented essence.  Therefore, you hold much information within essence as one is fragmented of another, and that essence is fragmenting of other essences, and those essences are fragmenting of other essences.  Are you understanding?

MIKE:  A little bit.  So are you saying that we fragmented from the same essence?

ELIAS:  (Sighing)  In a manner of speaking, at one point.

MIKE:  At one point.  Okay.  Now, backing up a little bit, am I a fragment of yours?

ELIAS:  No.

MIKE:  No.  Well, what essence am I a fragment of then?

ELIAS:  This essence would be unfamiliar to you, but I shall offer to you that you have been fragmented of an essence which translates in your language into the tone of (pause) Zolar.

MIKE:  Zolar?

ELIAS:  Correct.

MIKE:  Oh, wow!  Okay.  Alright, then my next question along those lines is, what essence is my mother, Rico, and my sister fragmented from?  Because you said that they're fragmented of the same essence.

ELIAS:  (Accessing)  This would be fragmentation of another essence within the family of Sumafi, which would translate into the tone, within your language, of Lezbae.

MIKE:  Mezay?

ELIAS:  Lezbae.  L-E-Z-B-A-E.

MIKE:  Wow!  Okay, what family does Zolar belong to?  Sumafi also?

ELIAS:  Yes.  These are not essences that are participating within this particular energy exchange, but they are essences which are within the family of Sumafi.

MIKE:  Okay, so both are.  My mom's question I would imagine would be, why is she Sumari then?  'Cause I think I read in a transcript that you said it is not common for fragmented essences to change families.

ELIAS:  But it is also a choice.

MIKE:  Right, it's a choice, but....

ELIAS:  I am not....

MIKE:  How would she go about investigating the choice?

ELIAS:  By connecting with self and essence.  Each essence which is fragmented holds the choice of its family and alignment.  Therefore, it is not a rule that the fragmented essence shall be of the same essence family as the fragmenting essence.

MIKE:  Okay, one more question about this Zolar.  Is he or she still in this dimension, so to speak, or have they moved on?

ELIAS:  That essence is no longer physically focused.

MIKE:  Interesting.  In our linear time, I guess you would call it, whereabouts in time did I fragment?  Like what focus, what point?

ELIAS:  Within linear terms, in the thought process of sequential events, you have fragmented of that particular essence in what you may term to be (pause) 800 BC.

MIKE:  Where was the focus located?  Was it anywhere near Greece?

ELIAS:  (Accessing)  No.  This would be in an area located within your Far East, although that would be what you would classify as your beginning focus or the designation of first focus within this particular dimension.  You have not been fragmented AS a focus, but began your physical manifestation within this particular dimension at that time period.

MIKE:  Okay.  So that focus was Mikah and not Zolar, right?

ELIAS:  Correct.

MIKE:  Okay.  As you're probably aware, I had a session with a lady named Karla, who I believe you used to channel through or had an energy exchange with, who channels an essence named Mary.

ELIAS:  I have not engaged an energy exchange with this individual in the manner that I engage energy exchange with Michael.

MIKE:  Okay.  Were the focuses that she gave me accurate?  (Pause)

ELIAS:  Express these focuses.

MIKE:  She gave one of me being a fisherman, I think she said.

ELIAS:  Correct.

MIKE:  A shepherd ... a couple of times I was a writer and an actor.  She said I was an actor many times in Greece and England, and that I died many times in wars, and also that I was an Egyptian priest.

ELIAS:  Let me express to you that certain aspects of the information that has been offered to you is correct, but certain aspects of the information has also been slightly distorted in confusion to present manifestations, identifying them as being "past focuses" in misinterpretation.  The identification of one of the focuses that has been expressed as English, as actor, has been a confusion, and in actuality is a connection to your focus held in New Zealand presently.  Therefore, there has been a misinterpretation in this area.  You have been manifest in many of your focuses as a soldier.  Therefore, this would be an accurate identification of some of your physical focuses.  As to the Egyptian priest, there is a distortion in this area also, for this would be incorrect in gender.

MIKE:  Oh, I was a priestess?

ELIAS:  Correct.

MIKE:  Oh, priestess!  Okay.  She gave me a person that she said was like my guide, or someone who watches over me, who is named Paul.  (Elias chuckles)  Is this accurate?

ELIAS:  Now, express to me the identification of this!  This would not be what you would term to be a "guide."  These are terms that have been created within belief systems.  But I shall express to you that this essence that individuals within the forum in your physical location have identified as Paul or refer to this essence affectionately as Paul -- in actuality the essence name is Patel -- but that essence is quite interactive with you many times.

MIKE:  Really!  Well, how so is he interactive with me?

ELIAS:  In helpfulness in offering you information at times that you interpret to be your own revelations, and also in lending energy to you in helpfulness in your connecting with your quest of your other focuses.

MIKE:  So I take it I've shared focuses with Patel also?

ELIAS:  Yes, and you may be connecting with information which has been offered by that essence within the forum in your physical location.

MIKE:  Okay.  This Mary essence also gave a focus of a poet in England or something.  Was it Percy Shelley that she was referring to?  (Part of this question was inaudible because there was what sounded like a Harley revving up)

Margot's note:  Wring that Hell's Angel's neck, will you?
Vic's note:  Yeah!

ELIAS:  No, but you were a friend of that individual.

MIKE:  Okay, so that's what I was connecting with?

ELIAS:  Correct.

MIKE:  Okay.  Alright, my nieces have already had their family names given and their alignments.  I'm looking for my nephews now.  My impression with Vincent was that he's aligned with Sumari.

ELIAS:  You are correct.

MIKE:  Okay.  With Joey, aligned with Milumet?

ELIAS:  (Accessing)  Vold.

MIKE:  Vold?  Oh, wow!  Another emotional one!  (Elias chuckles) Okay, then their essence names.  I tried doing this and I don't know how far I got, but did I get ... do you want me to offer the information again?

ELIAS:  Yes.

MIKE:  'Cause I don't know how close I got.  (10-second pause)

ELIAS:  You may continue.  (20-second pause)

MIKE:  Would it be correct to say that Vince's essence name is Vince?

ELIAS:  Vynlar.

MIKE:  Enlar?

ELIAS:  V-Y-N-L-A-R.

MIKE:  Okay, and Joseph.  I don't know ... I'm guessing now that this is a focus name maybe of his, but Bernard?

ELIAS:  This would be a focus.

MIKE:  A focus.  Okay, what would his essence name be?

ELIAS:  (Accessing)  Mistin.

MIKE:  Esten?

ELIAS:  M-I-S-T-I-N.

MIKE:  That's similar to Rastin!  Is he a fragment of yours?

ELIAS:  No.  (Chuckling)

MIKE:  No, okay.  For Francesca, would it be something like Frank or Fran or Francesca?

ELIAS:  (Accessing)  Celssa.

MIKE:  Oh my gosh!

ELIAS:  C-E-L-S-S-A.

MIKE:  Wow!  Okay, for Carina, Nicole?

ELIAS:  (Accessing)  Nicarre; N-I-C-A-R-R-E

MIKE:  Well, I was at least a little bit close with that one!  (Elias chuckles)  Okay, and for my brother-in-law, Patrick.  We had his alignment as Borledim.  His family would be Gramada?

ELIAS:  (Accessing)  Tumold.

MIKE:  Tumold?  He doesn't seem much like a healer!

ELIAS:  Ah!  I shall express to you, as I have expressed previously to other individuals, this particular family of Tumold holds a very different expression in those individuals that are BELONGING to that family in difference to the individuals that are ALIGNING with that family within physical focus.

MIKE:  Okay, alright.  Would it be possible for you to offer his essence name also?

ELIAS:  (Accessing)  Bilford; B-I-L-F-O-R-D.

MIKE:  Bilford.  Okay, thank you very much for that information.

ELIAS:  You are quite welcome.

MIKE:  What is the connection with me, my mother and David?  There's a connection there, and the three of us can't figure it out.

ELIAS:  (Finger-tapping again)  You have held focuses previously as family members and this serves in bleed-through within this present focus, offering you a type of remembrance in the area of a draw and a feeling that you connect with each other.

MIKE:  Okay, alright.  Now I've got to get the symbology.  What are we telling ourselves when we allow our funds to get so low?

ELIAS:  This question is quite general!

MIKE:  Really.

ELIAS:  Each situation that you are creating of holds a different significance to each individual, within each particular situation.

MIKE:  Okay, for my mother and I then, what are we telling ourselves?

ELIAS:  You offer yourselves imagery in each situation that you may be connecting to and noticing in the creation of your individual lines of probabilities.  Let me express to you that within every situation that you are creating, you ARE creating probabilities that shall be beneficial to you regardless of whether these situations may be comfortable or not comfortable.  You may look to your creations and you may be allowing yourselves to be viewing the progression of your creation of probabilities and allow yourself to view how you are creating these probabilities in the line that you are creating them.

Be remembering that although individuals such as yourself create certain situations within your probabilities that may not be comfortable or may be unfamiliar or you may attach negativity to, these are merely identifications that are filtered through your belief systems.  They are merely experiences that shall be beneficial to you within your lines of probabilities and your value fulfillment.

MIKE:  Okay.  That would lead me to my next thing.  That financial action that we talked about last time, the last session I had with you, am I correct in stating that the probabilities have changed?

ELIAS:  I expressed to you at our last meeting that in the direction that you were creating -- for you hold doubtfulness and you do not hold the LACK of doubtfulness in the acceptance of your own creating in this situation -- that you were moving into a less probable area.  Therefore, you have not altered your probabilities.  You are merely continuing your line of probabilities.

MIKE:  Well then, may I ask that you help?  Because I thought I was going along the lines that would be altering of the probabilities.

ELIAS:  (Chuckling)  I shall also express to you that although within physical focus you hold the belief system that you may be offered a magic potion that shall be creating instantaneously of altered probabilities, YOU yourselves hold the ability and the choices in the area of your own probability, for you are creating entirely of your own probabilities.  No other essence may be intrusive to you and be creating of any of your probabilities or choices.  You are the only individual that may be creating of this.

And I may express to you also that in many areas of objective desires or wants, you do not automatically alter the choices or the probabilities that you are creating merely for the reason that you WANT this.  You are altering of your probabilities in the area of addressing to your own belief systems and your own lack of acceptance of self, and in altering THESE elements of your focus, you begin to be creating objectively in the areas of your "wants."

MIKE:  Well, this is a tough one, because I know a lot of people who are either reading this or listening to this are going to think I'm like a spoiled brat!  (Elias chuckles)  But it seems as though throughout this whole time, that I've been in this focus anyway, that anything that I've wanted I've gotten, and this seems to be like THE only thing that has not manifested yet.

ELIAS:  Let me express to you that you are offering yourself your own imagery to be noticing that there are areas within you that you draw a line, so to speak, and that you may be holding the knowingness in many of your creations, but this is not to say that you automatically may be creating of every element of your wanting so very effortlessly!  For you, as all other individuals within physical focus, DO hold doubtfulness in the areas of your abilities and what you may in actuality be creating within physical focus intentionally, and what you may not.  Therefore, as you move into what you consider to be larger areas of creation objectively, physically, you also move yourself into the recognition that you do not entirely believe that you hold the ability to be accomplishing this, which we have spoken of at our last meeting, and I have offered to you within that meeting that this is a contributing factor or element in the lack of creating in the area of your want.

MIKE:  Hmm.  Is that like one of the only things that is limiting, is my belief in myself to be creating?

ELIAS:  (Chuckling)  Only!  Such a small word for such a large situation!  (They both laugh)  This would be the most affecting element, yes.

MIKE:  Okay, so if I work on that basically, then I will dramatically change the probability then?

ELIAS:  You hold the ability.  I shall not express to you a confirmation of what you will or will not be accomplishing!  But you hold the ability, and therefore the probability is in existence that you may be dramatically altering of your situation.

MIKE:  (Sighing)  Okay.  Then that brings me to, why are things appearing so stagnant for my mother and I even though we're making like a conscious effort to manifest certain elements?  In other words, why aren't things manifesting in this officially accepted reality instead of somewhere else?

ELIAS:  For the same reason that I have just offered to you.

MIKE:  Okay, and that goes for both of us then?

ELIAS:  Correct.  You are offering yourselves presently the opportunity to view this and to address to your own issues in acceptance of self.

MIKE:  Okay.  Well, I'll deal with that, hopefully by the next time we meet!  (Elias chuckles)  Okay, what is the action that took place with Rudim and Candace?

ELIAS:  Express!  Individuals connecting to this information are not exercising their telepathic skills!  (Chuckling)

MIKE:  (Sighing)  Okay.  I shall be expressing that to them then.  Okay, from previous ... I've never read it, but it was put to my attention -- you know there is no future, all time is simultaneous, so to speak -- that you come from the future, right?  Correct?

ELIAS:  No.

MIKE:  No?

ELIAS:  In YOUR terms, I am viewed to be a past figure.

MIKE:  Really!  Hmm!  Okay!  Well then, that just shut off that question!  (Elias chuckles)  Okay, I had a dream ... well, it's been about two weeks now.  No, maybe about a week.  Anyway, in the dream, I was trying to like have an energy exchange.  I was lying down on my little bed here, and I think my eyes were shut, but I was aware of the contents of the room, including my mom sitting next to me.  As I was lying there, I was having a hard time letting the information come through my vocal chords.  I remember it was a struggle to let information come through my vocal chords, and try not to let my belief systems or my own words come through my throat.  I was seeing all the information in my head, but I was struggling to let it come through.  I have yet to come up with an interpretation for this.

ELIAS:  This would be your imagery to yourself in your own symbology expressing to you areas of information that essence is offering to you, and that you are creating difficulty within your objective acceptance of the information which shall be offered.  Information offered to you by essence is offered not in the area of distortion by your belief systems.  It is subsequently altered and filtered through your belief systems.  Therefore, you create this imagery within your dream state to be expressing to you that the information offered to you, from essence to focus, is undistorted initially, but the action of creating imagery and the action of the acceptance of this information is automatically filtered through your belief systems, which creates an element of distortion in this.  You are merely offering yourself imagery in information to be allowing yourself to view the actual exchange of energy and the creation of objective imagery, the process that occurs within the offering of direction and information from essence into the creation of the physical focus.

MIKE:  Okay, so would that go along with ... every now and then, like when I'm talking to my mom or even some other people, they touch on subjects that I can really get into, that once I stop to think about it I have no education about, but yet it's quite valid information, and then if I'm like interrupted or if I stop, I don't remember any of the information I just gave.

ELIAS:  Correct.  These are actions of bleed-throughs of remembrances temporarily.  You hold the knowing subjectively, and you allow the bleed-through objectively partially, in your remembrance.

MIKE:  Hmm.

ELIAS:  I shall be expressing of a break, and you may be continuing with your questioning.

MIKE:  Okay.

BREAK    No time is available.
RESUME   Arrival time is 5 seconds.

ELIAS:  Continuing.

MIKE:  Yes.  I was thinking during the break, why is it that I don't have a draw to Paul's information as much as I do to yours?

ELIAS:  They are different expressions.  Patel engages an energy exchange, but within a different expression and different type of energy exchange.  In this, there is more subjective concentration, so to speak, and not as much allowance for objective engagement.  This would also be a choice of the participating individual in this interaction.

Let me express an explanation in this area.  There is a partial holding back, so to speak, with Olivia, and therefore the expression objectively holds less of a free flow than with this particular exchange.  In this, the interaction that you hold with Patel moves in the area of subjective interaction more so than with objective interaction.  This be an influencing factor in the reason that you objectively do not seem -- or it does not appear to you -- that you are connecting as efficiently, although you are.

MIKE:  Okay, so I'm taking it that ... you already said that we share many focuses, me and him.  I guess we're friends then?  It's almost as though there's a familiar area there, but I guess there's not?

ELIAS:  Correct.  This would be your remembrance of your interconnectedness with this essence in your physical manifestations.

MIKE:  Okay, and then one quick question about your Oscar Wilde focus.  You said that I was an acquaintance of yours.  What point in the focus was I an acquaintance?  Was I a friend like in acquaintance in jail?  Was I an acquaintance like a lawyer acquaintance?  Or....

ELIAS:  A school mate.

MIKE:  A school mate!  Okay, I read the exercise you gave for the stepping sideways, I guess, so to speak, and I didn't quite understand how you explained it.  So could you like give more info or add to it or clarify it for me, please?

ELIAS:  And you are choosing to be stepping sideways to be viewing other focuses or other dimensions?

MIKE:  Both.

ELIAS:  Allow yourself a quietness.  Allow yourself the opportunity to be moving into an area of "focused unfocusedness."  I have offered an exercise that you may be connecting to within a recent engagement with our new young Sumafis that may be helpful to you in this area, and you may be accessing of this information if you are so choosing.  This shall offer you more information in the area of stepping sideways and allowing yourself the ability to be viewing other focuses and other dimensional focuses.

MIKE:  Okay.  My mom asked you in one of her last sessions about how to manipulate time, and you said like doing meditation and stuff?

ELIAS:  Correct.

MIKE:  I don't understand the process.  I mean, do I just sit down and say, "Okay, I'm going to meditate," and then just think about time and what I want to do with it?

ELIAS:  First, allow yourself what I have expressed.  Allow yourself to move into the area of a focused unfocusedness.  In this, my meaning is that you allow yourself a directedness -- you allow yourself to direct your attention in one specific area -- but you also relax your attention, that you are not concentrating so very intensely upon the particular direction that you choose.  Allow yourself to be relaxed in this state.

In this, do not allow yourself to be drifting to the point that you are incorporating your own inner chattering, which shall be distracting, but enough relaxation that you are not objectively concentrating in intensity, for if you are concentrating in the manner such as, "I shall view!  I shall view!  I shall view!", this shall be blocking of your viewing.  Therefore, merely allow yourself a direction, but not the intensity of the concentration, and allow yourself to materialize your own visualization.  If you are allowing yourself the relaxation, you shall also more easily offer yourself the materialization of a visual image that shall be moving you into the information that you seek.

MIKE:  Okay.  I'm sure you're aware that I've been trying to do the out-of-body thing, astral projection, whatever you want to call it, and so far it's gotten me nowhere because I can never catch myself right before I go to sleep.  Do you have any suggestions that may enhance my progress?

ELIAS:  The most influencing element in the area of the lack of accomplishment in out-of-body experiences, so to speak....

And here, the tape stops.  According to Mary, the camera was repaired after this session.

FOOTNOTES:

(1)  Paul (essence name Patel) is an essence that Ron (essence name Olivia) engages an energy exchange with.  Patel is of the Sumafi family, and focuses his attention in the same area of consciousness as Elias in regard to the energy exchange.

(2)  Rastin is the name that Elias originally gave us as his essence tone, but we chose to call him Elias instead.  According to Elias, this action has altered the probabilities, and the tone of Rastin no longer applies.

Vic's note:  Note that these footnotes are based on my present understanding of the information, and are very limited explanations!

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