It Matters Not vs. It Doesn't Matter
"It Matters Not" vs. "It Doesn't Matter"
Tuesday, November 26, 1997 © 1997
Participants: Mary (Michael), Vicki (Lawrence), and Nicky (Candace).
Elias arrives at 3:36 PM. (Time was ten seconds)
ELIAS: Good afternoon. (Smiling)
NICKY: Hi! Once again I'm here, and once again I don't know where to start ... once again! I think I'm going to start with all the paraphernalia first, because I have a couple of heavy-duties that I would like explanations on because I don't have a full understanding. So we'll get rid of the paraphernalia first.
Salt. For a long while, salt has come in front of me. I've gotten answers from different things as to what it represented, so to speak, at the time. Now it's come around again, and I cannot figure out what it's saying to me this time. Good old salt. I've got a thing for salt! I buy salt, I sprinkle salt, I do everything with salt, so it's very predominant. (Elias chuckles) Sea salt, especially.
ELIAS: (Chuckling again) Interesting imagery!
ELIAS: This would be imagery that you are presenting to yourself in connection with Lawrence, in preparing to be accessing another dimensional focus.
NICKY: See, I knew there was a connection there! I knew it! Could you explain further?
ELIAS: The imagery is presented to you, or you are presenting it to yourself, that you may hold an objective connection with Lawrence. (Grinning at Vic) Pepper! (Much laughter -- this is an old joke)
NICKY: Now, what's pepper?
ELIAS: In this.... (Elias starts laughing) In actuality, what you are connecting to is a similar action subjectively which has not objectively materialized yet, but you are preparing for this. You hold other-dimensional focuses also, as does Lawrence, and you shall be within your present direction of probabilities attempting to be connecting with these other-dimensional focuses.
VICKI: Margot too, who was just here.
ELIAS: Pepper! (Oh, shut up!)
NICKY: What is the pepper thing? (Elias is cracking himself up)
VICKI: It's incorrect, is what it is! (Laughter)
ELIAS: It is NOT incorrect! It is interchangeable within the twins!
NICKY: Very interesting! Okay, I was talking a little bit earlier about not being able to remember my dreams. I was concerned about it at one point -- I'm not anymore -- but lo and behold, I wake up with a different kind of dream that was like right there, and it had to do with palmetto bugs on the wall. There were loads of them on the wall, and I jumped up because I thought "eeww" and I was going to spray them. But I said, "I can't spray them. They're here to do their job too." I don't remember anything else. The next thing I remember was that Sal from upstairs was present, but I don't remember what transpired after that. And then Sal came to my mind ... and speaking of Sal, was he a son of mine in another focus?
ELIAS: (Accessing) Sibling.
NICKY: Sibling. Okay, that explains that, then. Palmetto bugs! I have no books, no research material. What was that telling me?
ELIAS: This is your imagery that you present to yourself of belief systems.
NICKY: Okay. In what manner?
ELIAS: Very, very, very many belief systems that you initially view and hold an initial response of being repulsed and wishing to be eliminating of these, but what is your imagery to yourself? You express that they hold a reason for being there. Therefore, you do not eliminate them.
NICKY: Okay, which is what you've been saying all along. You don't eliminate them, you just acknowledge them.
ELIAS: And accept them.
NICKY: Accept them. Okay, so what was I realizing? I was realizing that as a fact, so to speak?
NICKY: Oh gosh! I'm making a little headway then, a little progress? (Elias grins) Oh, this is so good! Okay, now the other thing that's come back in front of me also, which I know the meaning of it in the Hebrew context, but what does it mean for me today? The name Ishi.
ELIAS: (Accessing) Hmm. This would be a connection within another focus of your essence.
NICKY: Oh, really? How? In what way?
ELIAS: It is bleeding through to offer you another viewing or to be attaining your attention, that you may be viewing another focus of your essence.
NICKY: Now, to view bleed-throughs, you can do the TFE's, right?
NICKY: Okay, alright. But would this be back in the Hebrew period of time? Early Hebrew, ancient Hebrew time?
ELIAS: Not necessarily ... and you may be investigating of this!
NICKY: I was just going to say, I'll have to be investigating that one! I feel that Rico and Albert are connected. Are they? I'm questioning myself. That's a silly question! They ARE connected. HOW are they connected, is what I want to ask!
ELIAS: (Chuckling) We have been in this direction many times, have we not?
NICKY: Yeah, in here. (Indicating inside of herself) Yeah, we have.
ELIAS: And also objectively, within our sessions together.
NICKY: With Albert and Rico? Have I asked that one? Or when I speak of one, am I speaking of the other?
ELIAS: You have been in the direction....
(Here, Elias starts coughing, as Mary is still ill)
Michael is very tedious! (Coughs again several times) Excuse. Body consciousness. I may be requesting of liquid. (Coughs again, and then drinks quite a bit of water)
Continuing. This is Michael's creation of his neglectfulness of body consciousness. I beg your excusing.
VICKI: I've tried!
ELIAS: I am aware. I am very aware! I am attempting
also! (Much laughter, and more coughing) Quite annoying ...
although I do not become annoyed!! (Grinning, and we crack up)
As I was saying, within our interaction within our sessions together, you have moved into the direction many times of inquiring for yourself of information of connections, and I have offered the connections, and we have interacted many times, have we not?
NICKY: Yes, we have.
ELIAS: Now, within your development and your trustfulness of self and your acceptance of self and your investigation and trusting your own abilities, I shall be instructing you to be connecting with these connections yourself and not holding to a dependency upon Elias for your connections.
NICKY: Okay. You know, that's exactly what I was thinking this afternoon, exactly what I was thinking!
ELIAS: You hold the ability to be offering yourself the information. I am indulgent temporarily, that you may learn to be trusting of your own impressions, but I am not wishing to be developing a situation with any individual of encouraging a dependency, for you are moving within your shift and you are learning to be accepting your OWN abilities and not following any other.
NICKY: Okay, then can I go from there and make a statement then? Albert is also a fragment of my essence, and that's how Rico and Albert are connected.
ELIAS: Very good!
NICKY: Okay. Speaking of connections and things like that, the last time we talked I went through my grandchildren. I'm having a real rough time with the girls ... or I thought I was having a rough time! I'm calling Francesca Sumafi aligned with Vold.
ELIAS: Very good!
NICKY: Okay, and I'm calling Carina Borledim aligned with Milumet.
NICKY: Reverse. Oh, okay. I'm still working on Vince and Joey, on who they're aligned with. It's not coming to me. I saw a reader a few months ago, someone in the building, and she says, "Oh, let me do your tarot." So I said, "Okay, fine." Now, the number four pops up. It popped up in her reading, and my apartment number is four. When I was looking for a time period, the number four came up. She went to the month of April. I don't feel right with that, but I can't land in on it. I don't know what arena to go to. Nothing is there. Just the number four is predominant, but four covers a lot of territory.
ELIAS: This would be, once again, another acknowledgment to yourself of connection to this forum, and the points. (To Vic) I am aware of what I am saying!
NICKY: Okay, the points being what? I'm not familiar with that.
ELIAS: Of the pyramid.
NICKY: Okay, and what connection does four have to do with that?
ELIAS: It is merely an identification to yourself of the reality of the energy points that are directing energy in helpfulness within this action that you view, in relation to the shift.
NICKY: Okay. I'm not too familiar with that at all. I don't think I've read any paperwork on the particulars of the points, so I guess I'll have to get info? (Elias nods) Okay. In November of '96 there was a session with Norm and Reta, and you made a statement here about offering helpfulness. It's only offering helpfulness when you hold no expectation? "... but if you hold wishings, if you express that you wish an outcome, this is an expectation," and it gets bumbled up. Okay, I understand that concept. Is that the same concept that is used when you're manifesting, when you're creating, when you're landscaping? Like if you go into an investment arena -- if you're buying real estate, if you're entering the lottery, if you're buying a home, any of those things where you're putting something out to get a return -- isn't that the same thing as an expectation?
ELIAS: It is dependent upon your direction. There is a difference between holding an expectation and doubtfulness and having a knowing. You may enter into one of these examples that you have expressed and hold a knowing of an outcome with no doubt -- no distrust, no doubtfulness -- knowing within you that you are trusting of yourself and that you are trusting of what YOU are creating ... for it has already been created!
NICKY: And that's what you know, right?
ELIAS: Correct. This is not necessarily an expectation in the manner that I have spoken previously. You hold a knowing in absolute terms, in your terms, and in this you have already created the situation. If you are entering into one of these examples that you have offered and you are doubtful, and you are merely holding an expectation but do not hold the certainty that you have already created this and are merely wishing for this to be occurring futurely, this would be a different situation.
NICKY: Okay. That would put it into the expectation ballpark.
NICKY: Okay, I see the difference. I couldn't quite tell the difference before. Speaking of expectations -- or maybe not, maybe a looking forward to something -- Michael was looking at November 22nd for a specific incident to transpire. When it wasn't physically manifest, he did not question it. But now the date, November 22nd, has been more predominant than the issue, because the issue he says he knows is going to transpire, but the date has become significant. What did it represent?
ELIAS: This be the expectation.
NICKY: The November 22nd thing?
NICKY: Okay. Even after the 22nd transpired, the thing came across again and I said, "Look here. November 22nd!" It had already past.
ELIAS: It is suggesting to you information that you look to your belief systems and to your expectations and the narrowness of this.
NICKY: Okay. The narrowness of how it was being looked at?
ELIAS: Correct. You pigeon-hole yourselves into absolute terms. You look to events and you attempt to be pinning probabilities into too small of areas. This is not to say that the probabilities may not actualize if you are choosing those probabilities to be actualized; but you think very narrowly, and in this you hold expectations in alignment with your probabilities. An event must be occurring at this date at this time! Not necessarily.
NICKY: Okay, so what his knowing was, he was corresponding it with a date instead of just leaving the knowing being the knowing?
ELIAS: And allowing for the probabilities to actualize within their natural time framework. You view yourselves to be psychic if you may predict probabilities!
NICKY: Yeah. Well, I can't speak for him, but what he told me was that November 22nd became prominent to him, and so therefore he associated it with this other issue that he says that he knows.
ELIAS: This be the representation of your belief systems. You offer yourselves imagery of this type to reinforce your belief systems of "inner knowings and psychic abilities" (humorously) and to offer yourselves acknowledgment that you hold abilities beyond what you believe that you hold, becoming quite mystic! (Grinning)
NICKY: (Laughing) So true!
ELIAS: Very spiritual! (Very tongue-in-cheek!)
NICKY: Yeah, right! So true! Oh my gosh! So when one is creating or looking for a manifestation, the tendencies to pigeon-hole are very predominant then because of belief systems?
NICKY: I see. And it falls into the category of going to the arena of expectation ...
NICKY: ... which pigeon-holes you even more.
NICKY: It just kind of like bumbles the whole thing up, doesn't it?
ELIAS: It merely confuses you.
NICKY: Yeah, really! So no matter what arena you're looking at, the idea then is to know what you know, or what you know you've created, and then you just let it go, and go about your merry old way and on to other things of the moment.
ELIAS: And be accepting.
NICKY: Okay, alright. This is good. Okay, Greg. I cannot place him either. He's another one that I'm having a time with. I can't say that he's a counterpart. I'm almost looking at him maybe as a fragment, but I don't have a real feeling for it. I do associate him with Jene as far as here in the physical, being of similar character.
NICKY: Investigate. Okay, so that's not good enough. It's him and Jene. It's more him and Jene than it is him and I, isn't it? (Elias nods) Okay, that's what I thought.
ELIAS: And not a fragment.
NICKY: Not a fragment. Okay. Now speaking of that kind of thing, the painter Gustav Klimt, his painting, "The Kiss," I was overwhelmed with it! I bought a book on his other paintings. I feel like I have participated in it. I experience ... I can't explain what I feel. I feel an overwhelming emotion when I look at his paintings! And yet, I can't place it there either because I'm saying, "How can I be his artwork?"
ELIAS: Listen to what you have said. Listen to this statement, this question.
NICKY: I am his artwork.
ELIAS: And how may you be?
NICKY: In living expression? See, I can't get a hold on it!
NICKY: Model? Oh, is that awesome! So that emotion that whelms up is ... okay. A model now? I know all time is simultaneous, but a model now? No, not ... yeah, now! Or then? (Elias nods) Then. Really! And that's why I experience it as being now?
NICKY: Oh my goodness! Was the model for "The Kiss?" Is that why "The Kiss" is so predominant?
ELIAS: It triggers an emotion.
NICKY: Okay, so I wasn't necessarily that particular model?
NICKY: Okay. Maybe model just in the sense of his total overview of what he's painted, his perception of what he was putting across on canvas?
ELIAS: A model. (Emphasizing "A")
NICKY: Oh, A model. Okay, I shall investigate! I read a book, just today in fact, and it says, "There are many teachers who will show you in which slices of time that you have flourished and developed and where you have affected an interconnected reality and what those times and places have to do with now." And then understanding that all times are now, if this is a true statement ... it IS a true statement, I understand that. I don't have a complete picture on it. If you synchronistically put it all together, what was this statement saying to me? It caught my eye. I had to write it down!
ELIAS: It is saying the same that I express to you also.
NICKY: That's why it caught my eye then, isn't it? Okay.
ELIAS: It is a statement of viewing your other focuses which are simultaneous to you now, as offering you information of the larger you.
NICKY: Okay. Can we synchronistically, as these things happen, as we experience all these, can we get a fuller picture? That's what's going on?
NICKY: Okay. The coat of many colors, is this representative of the Sumari family? It's an expression that was used ages ago in ancient Hebrew times.
ELIAS: This would be an expression of all of the families.
NICKY: All of them. Okay, alright. I went to Sumari because that's what I am, so I favored that one first! Okay. Ann is a parallel counterpart of mine, and also, Mary and I are parallel counterparts. Could you give me more information on the parallel counterpart? I know what parallel is. There's intersecting lines that go through parallel times, though? There's perpendicular ... I can't think of the other word for it. How is it different than counterpart or opposite counterpart action?
ELIAS: Parallels move parallel.
NICKY: Okay. So in all things then, we are running parallel?
ELIAS: Correct. You may be expressing differently. You may be experiencing slightly differently ...
NICKY: But the nut of it is the same.
ELIAS: ... but you are paralleling, yes.
NICKY: Okay, alright. I had that question written down, but we were talking earlier ... I am connected to Vicki? Counterpart?
NICKY: We were talking about her feet hurting, and then Mary said something about her feet, and I was expressing that I wore shoes that were uncomfortable last night. Is this why their feet hurt today?
NICKY: Really? What's the rest of it? Investigate! Okay!
ELIAS: You have much to be investigating! (Grinning)
NICKY: I know! It's overwhelming! I think to myself, "Where am I going to get the time?" Don is an opposite counterpart action. Rory is a counterpart action. Am I on target with those two statements?
NICKY: Okay, and Brenda was a sister in another focus?
We shall break, and you may be continuing with your questioning.
Interesting creation, Lawrence! Connecting with your counterpart also! I may not visualize, but I am aware of your actions! (This is in reference to me putting my necklace on my nose. There, that makes tons of sense, eh?)
BREAK 4:07 PM
RESUME 4:23 PM (Time was five seconds)
NICKY: I don't have a heck of a lot more to say, or ask, I should say. I have a little stone that I bought at a store. I can't even remember the name of it off the top of my head. It's a furry little thing. It reminds me of a little cat or a bear or something.
ELIAS: A little pet! (Grinning)
NICKY: Yes, and he's so cute! But there's something that transpires when I hold this little bugger, from the time I first picked him up. What is transpiring?
ELIAS: What IS transpiring? (Grinning)
NICKY: I have a great emotion, great stirrings, and I think, "Am I connected to this rock?" Okay, that's true. We're connected to all things.
ELIAS: (To Vic, grinning) A pet!
VICKI: A pet rock!
NICKY: A pet rock!
ELIAS: A pet rock! (Much laughter)
NICKY: You should see this little mineral. It's so cute! I forgot to bring it -- I wanted to bring it -- and I can't remember the name of it. I don't know, but there is a stirring every time I pick it up.
Vic's note: I've seen this rock, and it's interesting. It's fuzzy, and does appear to be a furry little animal. It's called okenite.
ELIAS: Many times, elements within your environment ... they hold a vibration, and many times you may resonate with certain elements within your environment. This suggests to you your connection with what you create, and that you are not separated from all of the elements that you create. You view yourselves to be separated, for you view yourselves to be encased within a vessel. (Frowning) Vessel, vessel, vessel! Which you are not! You are consciousness, and the vessel, which is NOT a vessel -- be expressing to Michael!
VICKI: I shall!
ELIAS: I am quite confident! -- is not disconnected or separate from all that you create. You and nature, or what you view to be nature or what you call nature, are not separated. You are all the same. It is all elements of YOUR creation of your essence. Therefore, it is a part of you. Therefore, there are different elements within what you call nature that you may be connecting with and resonating within vibrational tone and reminding yourself that you are not separated from all that you view, for you have created all that you view.
NICKY: So it took this particular piece of mineral or stone to tell me that? Because I've got rocks all over the place -- rocks on my window sills, rocks here, rocks there -- but this particular one speaks to me that way. It's a cute little thing! Okay, one other thing I have is about my back. The problem that I appear to have with it periodically was subsiding. I thought I had a handle on things, but it has decided to reoccur. What am I telling myself when this transpires?
ELIAS: This also is a parallel action.
NICKY: Okay, that's what I was thinking. With Ann and Mary both?
NICKY: Okay, but what is it saying? What is transpiring? What is being said to any one of us when that transpires?
ELIAS: You are presenting yourselves with your own continuing issues within the area of personal responsibility.
NICKY: In what manner though? It's so hard to decipher! When your back goes out.... (Sighing) What is it I'm not dealing with?
ELIAS: Holding personal responsibility for other individuals and NOT focusing upon self and focusing on personal responsibility of self, but diverting yourselves and distracting yourselves within the area of personal responsibility for other individuals, which is unnecessary.
NICKY: Okay. So I was falling back into old patterns. Whenever any one of us goes backwards in time then, that comes up to remind us?
ELIAS: And you also lend energy to each other in this area.
ELIAS: As one moves into the area of personal responsibility within the counterpart action, the others also move into this area; but if you hold an awareness that you are creating of this within your own situation of personal responsibility and hold an awareness that you are affecting of your counterparts in moving into this area, you may be choosing to be moving away from this action and focusing more intensely upon self, realizing the affectingness that you are creating.
NICKY: Is that why it sometimes seems to be such a struggle getting through something? When you're aware that someone else is going through the same thing you're going through at the same time, and you're trying to stand still and get through this issue so it won't be an issue any more? Is that what's going on?
ELIAS: Correct. At times, yes.
NICKY: Okay. Boy, there's no easy way to side-step that sucker, is there? It's horrible going through it!
VICKI: I'd like to ask a question about personal responsibility issues. My question is: When you do, in your perception, make a choice to focus on yourself rather than taking responsibility for another individual, quite often you feel guilty. I'm experiencing this right now, not to a major extent, but it's there and I'm aware of it, and I'm not really used to feeling guilty in this area. I'm not quite sure what to do with the guilty thing.
ELIAS: This also is being lent energy within your counterpart action with Michael, and also your twin action with Michael. He holds tremendous personal responsibility for other individuals, and much more so in the area of yourself, along with his offspring. In this, there is a tremendous feeling of not wanting to be disappointing but feeling that he is being disappointing, and therefore incorporates this feeling, this emotion of guilt, which lends energy to you in the same manner, of creating feelings of guilt within your own actions.
NICKY: So as long as you're entertaining the feelings of guilt, you're incorporating the action of continuing in that state?
ELIAS: Absolutely! As I have expressed, this particular emotion is one of your most destructive emotions.
ELIAS: It is personally destructive to you, and it is destructive within energy to other individuals also. This one emotion is the one lending of energy that I have expressed may move almost into the area of being a waste of energy, although there is no waste of energy; but I may not express to you strongly enough how personally destructive this one emotion may be to you in its manifestation of energy.
VICKI: Well, that's why I'm bringing it up. So were I able to move into some area of acceptance of something and not feel the guilt, not only would I be affecting of myself, but of other people ...
VICKI: ... that I share this with?
ELIAS: Correct. Acceptance of self is dispelling of guilt. If you are accepting of self, you shall not be incorporating an emotion of guilt.
NICKY: Once one of the duo or trio or however many are involved in the counterpart action, once one of them, so to speak, breaks through, then it's affecting in a chain-reaction type scenario?
ELIAS: Quite. It may not be eliminating of the other individuals' actions, but it is affecting.
NICKY: Because it's each one's personal responsibility to themselves to deal with it?
VICKI: And you're not lending energy in any way any more.
ELIAS: Correct. You are not lending energy to the perpetuation of the situation; but as you do lend energy, it perpetuates the cycle within all of the counterparts.
NICKY: Okay. (To Vic) Do you have any other questions? I'm just about to my end here.
VICKI: No, I was just curious about that.
ELIAS: Acceptance of self and your own creations and trusting in self is that element within energy that is eliminating -- eliminating -- of guilt.
NICKY: That's such a nice word, isn't it? Eliminating!
VICKI: It's just easier said than done. I mean, we don't have any practice in accepting ourselves!
ELIAS: You may be practicing continuously!
VICKI: Yes, I understand that!
NICKY: Is that part of my practice, the interaction that I have with Rico or my son? Both of them! I always feel like I'm being told something by them.
ELIAS: Be accepting and trusting of self!
NICKY: Yeah, because they don't say that. But what they are saying, that's what I hear. So that's the practice, so to speak, that I get in my interactions with those two? (Elias nods) Okay. I can see where my stubbornness comes into that one!
ELIAS: You offer yourselves opportunities countless times within each of your days to be accepting of self and your own creations and not bending to other individuals' expectations, and not placing the expectations upon yourself in response to NOT trusting and accepting yourself.
NICKY: You just brought to mind something, a general scenario: One of them will say, "What do you want to eat?" or "Do you want to go to the show?" and my response generally is, "I don't care if I eat or not." It doesn't matter to me if I'm hungry or not. It doesn't matter! Or "Do you want to go to the show?" "Yeah, that's fine." "Well, what do you want to see?" "I don't care." They both say to me that when I'm saying that it doesn't matter to me, what I'm saying is that my opinion has no value.
NICKY: Really! Well, what if it really doesn't matter what I see, or if it really doesn't matter if I'm hungry or not?
ELIAS: Within yourself, you hold a knowing of what you want and where you are. An individual may express to you, "Shall you eat?" By expressing, "It matters not," you are not expressing of YOUR self. You may express, "No, I am not interested. I do not feel hunger presently." Or, "Yes, I am interested in partaking of food." But by expressing "It does not matter," and expressing "Do what you will," you are discounting of yourself and offering the choices to another individual. If you are expressing "Shall we engage in viewing a motion picture?" and another individual is expressing "It does not matter," this is discounting of self. "What shall we view?" "It does not matter."
NICKY: Oh my god! I do that on a regular basis! I'm always saying it doesn't matter.
ELIAS: Within you, you may hold a preference, but in not wishing to be confronting of another individual and in discounting of yourself, you allow the choice to pass to another and you give up your choice. You allow another individual to dictate your reality.
NICKY: Oh my goodness gracious me! I'm always saying, "It doesn't matter. Whatever you want to do." I'm always saying that!
ELIAS: For this aligns perfectly with the belief systems of duplicity. Why shall you value yourself or your opinion?
NICKY: Oh my gosh! What an eye-opener that one is! They would say it and I'd say, "It doesn't matter, it just doesn't matter. You want to go to the show? I'll tag along. You're hungry? Yeah, sure, I'll eat. You're not hungry? Yeah, I'll wait." I do that regularly!
ELIAS: This is allowing another individual to dictate to you.
NICKY: Oh my gosh. What an eye-opener that one is! My, my, my! (Sighing) Belief systems of duplicity, huh?
ELIAS: Absolutely. There is a difference in "it matters not" and "it doesn't matter to me."
NICKY: Yeah. That's true, isn't it? It really is. Okay. I'm a happy camper! I got to speak with you in ze physical! (Laughing)
ELIAS: I am quite pleased! (Chuckling) Very well! You may be, if you are so choosing, sharing this information with many individuals, for this be quite common with you all.
I shall express to you a very fond good evening this day, and with great affection I shall express au revoir, and anticipate our next meeting.
Elias departs at 4:43 PM.
(1) It was not stated previously that Rico is a fragment of Nicky's essence, but that they are both fragments of the same essence. I'm not sure which is correct, but I think it's important to note any inconsistencies or possible distortions in the material.
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