Experience in Nonphysical Areas of Consciousness
Topics:
“Experience in Nonphysical Areas of Consciousness”
“The Blinked-Out Period After Physical Death”
Thursday, July 26, 2007 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Claire (Matilika)
ELIAS: Good morning!
CLAIRE: Good morning. It's an honor to be speaking with you. (Elias laughs)
My goodness, you do sound like another, I can't say person, another personality. Really, you are another personality.
ELIAS: Quite so, my friend.
CLAIRE: (Laughs) I can't believe it. (Elias laughs) Elias?
ELIAS: Yes?
CLAIRE: I really, really like you very much.
ELIAS: Ah. And I can express the same to you.
CLAIRE: Oh, but you don't know me. I know you.
ELIAS: Ah, but I do.
CLAIRE: How do you?
ELIAS: For I know you in energy.
CLAIRE: You know, that is one of my questions. How do you do that? (Elias laughs) How can you know me through energy? And how do you know all these things about people. How do you do that? Is it in colors or vibration or… How is this knowledge coming to you?
ELIAS: It would be more associated with vibrational qualities, but knowledge is not a thing. It is a matter of recognizing energy and being energy. I do not incorporate a form any longer, and I do not engage a physical reality. And therefore, I am not bound to the blueprints of any particular physical reality. In this, as I have expressed many times previously, you are precisely the same as myself. And you possess all of the same information and abilities that I possess. The difference is that you have forgotten, and I remember.
CLAIRE: But for instance, I'm gonna ask you my essence name and you're gonna tell me. How do you know? How is my name written in my energy?
ELIAS: It is a tone. It translates into a word, or it partially translates into what can be construed as a word, which you term to be a name. And it is actually a tone. Just as you can translate a musical note into a symbol or a letter.
CLAIRE: Right.
ELIAS: The note itself is not a thing, but it incorporates a tone and that can translate into other languages, such as a symbol.
CLAIRE: And when you speak to me, you're speaking through Mary. You're not speaking English, I know that. You're sending thoughts? You're sending energy?
ELIAS: Energy. Yes. I am incorporating the use of the physical body consciousness and therefore manipulating it in a manner that can produce speech, but beyond that I am also interacting directly in energy, with you.
CLAIRE: When did you learn how to do that? (Both laugh) How long did it take?
ELIAS: It is not a matter of learning, it is—
CLAIRE: I know. I know. It's just… You evolved into doing that?
ELIAS: It is an innate quality, which you incorporate also, but in this time framework you have chosen to be manifest within a physical reality. And in conjunction with the blueprint of this reality there are aspects of separation that are incorporated in the design of your reality, to allow you to experience it fully, in its design. Therefore it is merely a matter that you do not remember certain actions.
CLAIRE: Though I used to do.
ELIAS: Yes.
CLAIRE: Let me ask you, do you feel joy?
ELIAS: (Pause) Not in the manner that you do. For what you feel in association with joy is an emotional communication. It is a feeling, which is yet again another—
CLAIRE: Part of my dimension.
ELIAS: —element of your physical reality. Within nonphysical areas of consciousness there is no emotion, for there is no necessity.
CLAIRE: But you laughed with me.
ELIAS: Ah yes, but, my friend, I have become quite adept at tapping into information in relation to your reality and knowing how to communicate with each of you. And emotion is—
CLAIRE: Oh, I see.
ELIAS: Emotion is—
CLAIRE: But do you… Can we ask if you are happy? (Both laugh) Is there happiness and unhappiness? I mean, you're not a blank energy personality.
ELIAS: No. But what I experience would be difficult to explain to individuals within your reality, for you process information in association with emotion. Therefore, all that you do incorporates some element of emotion.
CLAIRE: Well, are we immortal?
ELIAS: Quite so.
CLAIRE: Well, isn't that a frightening thing?
ELIAS: How so?
CLAIRE: (Laughs) Do you have any challenges where you are?
ELIAS: Challenges in the manner of problems? No.
CLAIRE: No, not problems.
ELIAS: Challenges in the manner of new discoveries? Yes.
CLAIRE: Yes. Do you have any visual images if you want to?
ELIAS: Yes, I can. Although that incorporates a significant amount of energy and is not necessary, and therefore I do not engage that action very often.
CLAIRE: You have an English accent, you know.
ELIAS: (Laughs) It varies.
CLAIRE: It does?
ELIAS: I would ex—
CLAIRE: (Inaudible) this is my only focus on Earth, right? As Claire.
ELIAS: No.
CLAIRE: But you say we're not recycled.
ELIAS: Correct. All of your focuses are simultaneous.
CLAIRE: So I don't come back here.
ELIAS: No.
CLAIRE: (Laughs) I don't want to.
ELIAS: No, you will not. (Laughs)
CLAIRE: I really don't!
ELIAS: You may rest assured, my friend, that you will not. (Laughs) For that would—
CLAIRE: And when I pass on and I leave this three-dimensional environment, I choose where I want to go?
ELIAS: Yes.
CLAIRE: Okay. You know I have an ex-husband that died two weeks ago, and we were very, very close. He was gay, and of course he didn't know it when we married, but we both knew it, right, on another level. And I was wondering why we got into that relationship. Because it was painful at times. Because I am not gay. I am straight. He's a homosexual. I am a heterosexual person.
ELIAS: But regardless of your sexual preferences, that does not create a situation that prevents you from sharing intimacy with another individual. Perhaps in different manners, and not necessarily in a sexual manner, but—
CLAIRE: Well, that's quite true. And you know, people were always amazed that we were so close.
ELIAS: Individuals share intimacy—
CLAIRE: He was gay, I was not. We had no sexual relationships.
ELIAS: I am understanding, but I may also express to you, my friend, that individuals can share much more intimacy in other manners than they can through sexual encounters.
CLAIRE: Right. I know he's not in transition, right? He's manipulating energy. I've read that from your transcript.
ELIAS: At this point, presently, he is what I can term to be, blinked out. Let me explain. For a brief time framework, which appears to be no time to the individual that has disengaged, but in your reality it generally is approximately two to three of your weeks, that time framework is as a blink to the individual that has disengaged. And in that time framework the individual is not aware, yet, that they have disengaged, and they are not yet creating any imagery.
Some individuals incorporate significant time frameworks before they recognize or realize that they actually have disengaged. That—
CLAIRE: How do they recognize that?
ELIAS: For, generally speaking, they continue to create physical imagery that matches what they created within your reality.
CLAIRE: Yeah, but these do these people that they create talk to them?
ELIAS: Yes. But what begins to become suspicious, to the individual, is that all that occurs within their reality, that they are creating, is predictable. There is no element of surprise from another individual.
CLAIRE: Oh, gosh.
ELIAS: Therefore, although they may be creating imagery that they want for considerable time frameworks, and enjoy their interaction, and enjoy their adventures that they create—
CLAIRE: It gets boring.
ELIAS: It is not necessarily boring, but it becomes suspicious that the only surprise that they generate are their own surprises.
CLAIRE: Exactly.
ELIAS: But that other indiv—
CLAIRE: (Inaudible) their imaginations.
ELIAS: In manner of speaking. When that begins to occur, when they begin to become suspicious of the lack of surprise with other individuals, they begin experimenting. And when they begin experimenting, it begins to rekindle memory. And in that they begin to remember their death.
CLAIRE: Ah. Okay, I better get to this, because I don't want to for— What is my essence family? You're gonna say what is your impression, right?
ELIAS: You are correct. (Both laugh)
CLAIRE: Sumari, I know I'm not good at this. Sumari/Sumafi.
Not at all, right?
ELIAS: (Laughs) I would express, Sumari/Ilda.
CLAIRE: Okay. And my daughter Jessica?
ELIAS: And your impression?
CLAIRE: Oh God. It's been a while since I've read the families. Sumafi… I don't know the other.
ELIAS: You are correct, Sumafi. And the alignment would be Vold.
CLAIRE: I almost said that.
ELIAS: (Laughs) And in this, I will express to you the significance of listening to your impressions.
CLAIRE: Ah, I know. What about Lisa? Is there Tumold in there?
ELIAS: Belonging.
CLAIRE: Hmm?
ELIAS: Yes, belonging.
CLAIRE: (Inaudible) that's her. And the other?
ELIAS: And your impression?
CLAIRE: I don't know. (Elias laughs) You're laughing, I don't know why.
ELIAS: Borledim.
CLAIRE: Really? How interesting. And my essence name?
ELIAS: Essence name—
CLAIRE: Give me something nice.
ELIAS: (Laughs) My dear friend, it is not my choice. (Both laugh)
Essence name, Matilika.
CLAIRE: Matilika?
ELIAS: Yes. M-A-T-I-L-I-K-A.
CLAIRE: Oh, that's lovely.
What else did I need to ask you? I had met somebody a long time ago called Edward Butler who left a very big impression on me. You know what happened to him?
ELIAS: In what capacity?
CLAIRE: Well I suppose he's in transition. I mean have I had many focuses with him?
ELIAS: Yes, you have.
CLAIRE: How about with my ex-husband and my children?
ELIAS: Yes, you have.
CLAIRE: Thought so.
How many focuses have I had, here on Earth?
ELIAS: (Pause) 944.
CLAIRE: And when I ask you that question, Elias, and you wait, are you looking at my energy?
ELIAS: Yes.
CLAIRE: You're looking at it.
ELIAS: Yes. Figur—
CLAIRE: You can see it from where you are?
ELIAS: Yes, figuratively speaking. Figuratively, I can explain to you, although this is not accurately what I am doing — although I am accessing information — in a manner of speaking, I can view your energy, and if we express that your energy is one silhouette, as a visualization, it would be similar to viewing yourself in the forefront, and all of the other silhouettes behind you.
CLAIRE: Ah. Do we, when we pass on, when we go into transition and we recognize our… Do we meet the people we've cared about? Can we communicate with them?
ELIAS: Yes.
CLAIRE: How do we find each other?
ELIAS: It is not a matter of finding, for it is all present.
CLAIRE: It is all present, but will I recognize the vibration? Will I recognize the energy?
ELIAS: Yes. Automati—
CLAIRE: Isn't it crowded then, Elias, where you are? All these focuses, all these… (both laugh) Merging together (inaudible) Isn't it crowded?
ELIAS: Not quite. For in actuality, consciousness is not a thing. It is an action, and therefore it is not space.
CLAIRE: Oh my God. (Elias laughs) Oh my God. I think that's the most abstract thing I've ever heard. It is an action, but an action occurs in space?
ELIAS: It can, but space is not required.
CLAIRE: It's not.
ELIAS: No.
CLAIRE: That is very abstract, isn't it, Elias? Why do you do what you do? I know you're trying to help us through transition, right? Through this new wave of consciousness.
ELIAS: In this shift in consciousness, yes. For this is what may be termed as a source event, a master source event. And in that, it is such a significant alteration and expansion of your reality that the event itself, which is not one singular moment, incorporates tremendous potential for trauma and confusion. And therefore, other essences that may not be actually participating in your reality, are aware of the expansion of it and incorporate an interest in that expansion. And also generate a desire to be helpful in—
CLAIRE: So helpful is an absolute.
ELIAS: No.
CLAIRE: (Laughs) I knew you were going to say that.
It's not. So being helpful was good for you, but it might not be good for me?
ELIAS: That is possible.
CLAIRE: Well, you see—
ELIAS: That is a matter of perception.
CLAIRE: Wouldn't that be natural, to be helpful?
ELIAS: It is natural to be participating.
CLAIRE: Exactly. Cooperating.
ELIAS: Yes.
CLAIRE: Participating.
ELIAS: Yes.
CLAIRE: But you want to participate in a helpful way because that is your preference.
ELIAS: Yes, and it has been your request.
CLAIRE: How is that?
ELIAS: En masse, you all have generated a subjective request in projecting energy desiring information.
CLAIRE: I see.
ELIAS: I am not the only essence that is interactive in this manner and that is responding to that request. There are many.
CLAIRE: Right. Now, you are an essence, not a focus.
ELIAS: Correct.
CLAIRE: You mean I'm really speaking to an essence?
ELIAS: Correct.
CLAIRE: Well, (Elias laughs) that makes me want to cry. And I'm serious.
ELIAS: But so am I, for you are an essence also.
CLAIRE: I know that, but I am not aware of it. I am not aware of my essence. You know you are essence. You act like an essence. I don't. I act like a focus of an essence. (Elias laughs) I act like a focus of my essence.
ELIAS: Yes, and you are. And that is what you have chosen for a brief time framework to experience. I have experienced that also.
CLAIRE: How would you compare the two? Are you coming back? Are you going somewhere else? (Elias laughs) Are you staying where you are? Are you sending focuses anywhere? You have focuses out there, right Elias?
ELIAS: Yes. I incorporate a few, but not in association with physical—
CLAIRE: Dimensions.
ELIAS: Yes.
CLAIRE: Environments.
ELIAS: Yes. Some are partially physical, but for the most part I am nonphysical consciousness.
CLAIRE: Yes, but you have focuses in other areas, right?
ELIAS: Yes.
CLAIRE: That are nonphysical.
ELIAS: Yes.
CLAIRE: And how does that impact you as essence? Does it bring you more… You're exploring and you're still exp—
ELIAS: Quite so.
CLAIRE: Expanding.
ELIAS: Yes.
CLAIRE: Well, how far do you think you can expand?
ELIAS: There is no limit.
CLAIRE: Well, doesn't that scare you?
ELIAS: Why should it? It is an endless adventure.
CLAIRE: I don't know that I like that.
ELIAS: (Chuckles) You incorporate the freedom to explore whatever you choose, my friend. And in that, you are continuously expanding. And that produces wisdom.
CLAIRE: Does it not tire you?
ELIAS: No. There is no fatigue in—
CLAIRE: Oh, that's helpful.
ELIAS: —in the lack of physical expression, there is no fatigue.
CLAIRE: Oh, thank God. (Both laugh) Hey, because, you know, here I am going to be seventy-one years old. I'm tired. (Both laugh) Right? We are one problem after another, right?
ELIAS: I am understanding.
CLAIRE: Life is wonderful, don't get me wrong! I'm tired. (Elias chuckles) So I wondered if there was fatigue in nonphysical reality.
ELIAS: No.
CLAIRE: Wonderful! Well that's joyful. (Both laugh) So you're okay?
ELIAS: Quite so.
CLAIRE: Good. I'm going to say goodbye. I will call again. People will ask me questions. I haven't covered everything. But I know more about you, and that's what I wanted to do. (Elias laughs)
I really did, Elias, because, you know, I've read a lot and I know in my life, all my life, I've been interested in life and death, and parapsychology, and all philosophies. I've wanted to. I've read a lot of books on mediumship. I don't know. It's this tremendous curiosity about the cosmos and our universe.
ELIAS: And I applaud your curiosity. And I will also—
CLAIRE: I'm so curious. And I think it would make a world of difference if we could lift the veil here.
ELIAS: And you are.
CLAIRE: And we are, right?
ELIAS: Yes.
CLAIRE: Well, it's taking time.
ELIAS: Yes. But, it is occurring faster than you think.
CLAIRE: It is?
ELIAS: Yes.
CLAIRE: Well, I'm going to let you go. I can't say take care of yourself. I don't know what to say. (Elias laughs) May your explorations bring you satisfaction.
ELIAS: Ah, well said. And I will express the same to you.
But I will also express to you, my friend, I have quite enjoyed our chat.
CLAIRE: So have I.
ELIAS: (Laughs) I shall be anticipating our next meeting.
CLAIRE: Okay.
ELIAS: To you.
CLAIRE: (inaudible) by the way.
ELIAS: To you in great appreciation and dear lovingness—
CLAIRE: Yes, you always say that. A lot has to do with appreciation and recognition.
ELIAS: Yes.
CLAIRE: Is that correct?
ELIAS: Yes.
CLAIRE: No—
ELIAS: Knowing.
CLAIRE: Knowing and appreciation.
ELIAS: Yes.
CLAIRE: Right?
ELIAS: Yes, and I express them both to you.
CLAIRE: And I express them to you.
ELIAS: Ha ha, thank you.
CLAIRE: Bye.
ELIAS: Au revoir.
(Elias departs after 31 minutes)
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