Tuesday, July 18, 2006 (Private/Phone)

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Katrin (Duncan)

(Elias’ arrival time is 20 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good afternoon.

KATRIN: Good afternoon, Elias. I am looking forward to it.

ELIAS: (Laughs) And what shall we discuss?

KATRIN: Since the recent session I had with you, I had some dreams that I feel are a continuation of that session and I want to check with you.

ELIAS: Very well.

KATRIN: The first dream is: I went to bed and asked what is significant for me to discuss with you. Woke up during the night and couldn’t remember a dream. But I was half-aware that I asked the unusual question why a couple who both were close friends of mine have withdrawn themselves from this friendship years ago. I and others have accepted that they don’t wish interactions anymore with friends from a past we shared.

Fall asleep again and I remember a dream. My partner and I have a holiday house, which is not in our taste. In the same location this couple spend their holiday too. I visit them. My female friend gets up with somebody else and disappears and I am talking to the husband and ask why they have cut off the contact. He is talking about a formula one car and I ask him, “Why didn’t you say so?” “Oh, it is a misunderstanding,” he replies. His wife doesn’t come back to the table.

And when I wrote down the dream I felt a bit uncomfortable. I have several impressions I want to tell you. It is about a guideline again that I haven’t figured out which one it is. The car is symbolic for the energy of competition they strongly projected and I mingled with a similar energy. His remark about a misunderstanding shows me the recognition of lessening this energy. The house is a presentment to myself that I don’t feel very comfortable anymore in this kind of creation of energy.

But there is something else. I really can’t put my finger on it. I created an immediate skin irritation. It has something to do that I asked him a question. I like questioning out of curiosity and to understand processes. That action has been a main part in my professional life too, and I was really satisfied and had fun in my profession because of the way I was able to get information. But I sometimes feel nowadays like walking on eggshells when I inquire. I feel insecure whether it could be non-acceptant to ask questions, especially with my daughter. And I was wondering if you could help along, please, with this dream?

ELIAS: Your impressions are correct. And it is associated with generating an uneasiness and an uncertainty within yourself in regard to questioning other individuals. I am understanding your motivation, but at times questioning of other individuals can present a type of threatening energy dependent upon the situation and the type of interaction.

For if you are expressing any type of defensiveness and are engaging questioning of another individual that creates an uncomfortable energy. And it projects a threatening energy to the other individual.

Which your assessment of the dream in relation to the house is correct, that you are generating movement in which you are not comfortable with manners of expressions that have been familiar in the past, and wanting to move into new expressions that do not involve the complication of defensiveness or threatening or opposing energies. In a manner of speaking, it is imagery that you have presented to yourself which concerns uncomfortable situations and your fatigue with that, and your desire to move in another direction to generate more ease in your interactions. And being tired…

KATRIN: Being what?

ELIAS: …of moving in these struggles, so to speak.

KATRIN: Yes, I do understand.

ELIAS: Which also is associated with your daughter.

KATRIN: Hm. That’s true. I’ll come back to her again a bit later. I do have another dream. I think there is connection to it. I want to check this one as well.

I am in a house of one of my neighbors and unasked I offer my service in getting a copy of their door key. They only have one in a four-person household. They insist that a certain brand of lock has to be inserted into the door. Walk in their bathroom, and see on the wall drawings and writings in very small sizes from their kids. I am surprised in the dream about the accuracy in this small size. Tell my partner that we have to leave because they had just come home and need time for dinner with their kids. Mention to this couple that I only can replace the lock in a few months time because the man who could do it won’t be here for a while. They agree because they like the work that this man has done for them in the house before. When we leave they give me an oversized key and I ask myself in that dream, why do they want to have a new lock? They only need a copy of that key.

I can’t find an interpretation. I only remember that the small drawings and that oversized key had my particular attention, and that I offered my service unasked. And I think this has something to do with the first dream, offering a service.

ELIAS: You are correct. For in this, you are presenting yourself with imagery associated with potentials. In which, if you are genuinely paying attention to you, you can actually generate choices that avoid potentials that may create difficulties. And in this, you present yourself with an example in offering your services or helpfulness without it being requested. In that, what occurred was you offered the helpfulness to generate another key, but in the imagery presented they refuse that action and express that they want another lock. Which confuses you.

KATRIN: Yeah.

ELIAS: This an example of the significance of paying attention to what you are engaging and paying attention to yourself, and, in a manner of speaking, checking your motivation. For many times you and other individuals think that you are being helpful or want to be helpful, but in offering helpfulness without the request that can generate the potential for a different outcome than you expected. And it can actually generate either confusion or some type of frustration or irritation.

For in generating that type of action, what you are actually expressing in energy is a discounting of the other individual: that they are not expressing adequately enough. And in that, you generate a reflection of that energy in a manner that may be surprising to you or confusing to you, for your intention may have been to be helpful, but the helpfulness was not actually required. This is the reason it is important to be paying attention and to genuinely be listening to you and evaluating what your motivation is in certain actions.

As to the writing, this is imagery concerning paying attention closely.

KATRIN: Ah, that’s why it is so accurate and in small sizes.

ELIAS: Yes. For, in the smallness of the writing, it requires you to move closer and to focus.

KATRIN: That’s pretty imagery.

ELIAS: Which is symbolic of paying attention closely to what you are doing.

KATRIN: Mm-hm. I have understood your explanation very well. Thank you.

ELIAS:You are welcome.

KATRIN: And I am into dreams at the moment. (Elias laughs) Yeah, I like dreaming.

I remember some dream development from another dream. I am in a rowing boat, go through a tunnel and find myself in a place where a man with religious authority is dressed in women’s clothes. I am a bit surprised, but I like his outfit. I see an acquaintance who is, I believe, intermediate orientated and is very good in looking after herself first. She looks tanned, relaxed and welcoming.

My interpretation is, that I am steering in the direction of acceptance of differences in a sense that I notice the differences in a more sympathetic manner. What the tunnel means, I don’t know, perhaps moving my perception in this regard.

ELIAS: Yes.

KATRIN: And one last dream from this morning. I mean, this is something I am really interested in, how it works. I woke up with a dream I lost immediately, but the feeling told me that the interaction in this dream state has been quite significant. When I try to recall the dream, my daughter springs into my mind. I check the answerphone, because I have been away for a couple of days. There is a message in German and English, saying ”please hold the line, you will be able to continue your conversation in a short while”. Am I correct to see a connection between the dream and the impulse to listen to the answerphone?

ELIAS: Yes.

KATRIN: And is my impression related to my question I have, whether I contact my daughter regarding seeing our grandson or can I relax and wait until she wants to? She is moving countries and I would like to know her new details. I actually wanted to ask you today what your suggestion would be. And after the dreams you have just explained to me I suggest to myself relax and just wait and don’t contact her. I don’t know.

ELIAS: That would be my suggestion.

KATRIN: I want to talk about paying attention. What I noticed is that this familiarizing of paying attention brings along a widening of awareness in a sense that an increasing number of attentions in one moment are more recognizable.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

KATRIN: Yeah, sometimes I notice many communications coming in that I wished I could receive them all at the same volume, which I can’t do. It is like in the morning when I wake up with a dream and lose the dream immediately. Is there anything you can suggest to enable our objective awareness to hold this fleeting information? And in a sense, that would be helpful for the dream state as well, I imagine?

ELIAS: (Pause) I can offer a suggestion in relation to dream recall. But let me also express to you, you are offering yourself information continuously. And in that, there are many different avenues within you that process information and assimilate information.

And all of that information is not actually necessary to be translated through thought. For many times you are offering yourself information that you assimilate and process in a manner that it becomes expressed. And subsequent to that, you may generate thought. But at times in the manner in which you assimilate, it may be distracting or distorting to engage thought in association with whatever information you are offering yourself.

This is the reason that it is important to be listening to your intuition. For many times you may be offering yourself information in generating moving your attention in many directions simultaneously. You assimilate that and subsequently you may offer yourself communications and intuition in certain situations. That intuition has been motivated by the information that you express as the softer volumes, and has not been clouded by thought.

KATRIN: We talked about similar things in the last session, about thought and how sometimes you need time when you have certain experiences before you can translate it. It is very hard for me, actually, not to translate immediately. Even I have many intuitions, but somehow I have lost the ability to relax and wait for what’s going to come.

ELIAS: (Chuckles) I would suggest that you practice with that relaxing and allowing. I am not expressing to you not to think.

KATRIN: I understand that.

ELIAS: Thought is a natural process, and it is a mechanism that you all engage quite frequently. But, as we discussed previously, it can also create confusion and it can also create interruptions of natural flows of energy.
Therefore, it is significant to be aware of it and to incorporate it in the most effective manner, recognizing that it is not necessary constantly to engage thought.

I understand that you incorporate a preference to be engaging thought, for many times it is stimulating and interesting to you and even fun. For I am understanding that you also engage playing with thoughts. But at times it can be distorting or inaccurate or interruptive.

KATRIN: Thank you very much for this remark, because I was now that far saying… Because I know I entertain myself with thought and concepts. I can think about it and play with it the other way round. I thought even that is too much already. So your remark was very helpful. Thank you.

ELIAS: (Laughs) And you are welcome.

KATRIN: You mentioned the dream state. Is there anything else…

ELIAS: Yes. You can…

KATRIN: …to be more objecively aware in the dream state or being more able to interact in the dream state?

ELIAS: Yes, you can. And in this, I would suggest initially that you engage altering your sleep pattern temporarily. The dream imagery is generated by the objective awareness’ involvement in the sleep state. Therefore, if you alter your sleep patterns, what occurs is you alert the objective awareness.

KATRIN: It is easy for me to alter that. I have done that in the past already. Because when I sleep shorter hours, I remember much clearer the dreams.

ELIAS: Yes.

KATRIN: I am even able to interact in those dreams.

ELIAS: Yes.

KATRIN: Yeah. Hmm. Well, I will try this again. Thank you.

ELIAS: You are welcome.

KATRIN: Now, I come to words and languages. Since my childhood I am attracted to short words with at least three vowels in it. Nowadays, I know African languages or the Albanian tongue or whatever languages, wherever in the world, have many vowels in their words, which leads easily to the impression that I have several focuses in locations where those languages are spoken.

ELIAS: Yes.

KATRIN: But as a child, I invented such words. I invented even my own language with those words because I just found them beautiful, and I still enjoy very much the simplicity of such words. These words were like music to me, and because these words – what I know now - didn’t express strong duplicity. What is my attraction? My impression is that I somehow remember how languages were created.

ELIAS: You are partially correct in that. For you do incorporate some awareness of that action of creating language. But also, this is a preference that you incorporate in this focus. And it is also associated with thought. For you prefer and like to play with thought. And thought incorporates languages. And in this, language is somewhat of a fascination to you, for it is closely associated with thought. And also, it is a subject that is somewhat endless.

KATRIN: I couldn’t understand, somewhat..?

ELIAS: It is somewhat endless.

KATRIN: Ah, endless. Yeah.

ELIAS: Therefore, there is a tremendous exploration that can be engaged. For, even in the exploration of known languages, which can be quite vast, you can move beyond that and, as you have expressed, play with the creation of new languages. Which also is another avenue to express yourself in manners in which you find established languages to be inadequate.

KATRIN: This is my next question, actually. Before you continue I’ll just ask it. It leads to that question.

Will our language be different when we have accomplished the shift? I mean, not just in the redefining of words, more to use new word expressions. It seems to be already a bit difficult nowadays, at least for me, to describe experiences, to share experiences with words. This is what you already suggested, that one sees the limit of words we have created so far and we can create endless new words, or something like this?

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct. Expanding language as you expand your awareness, to accommodate that expansion in awareness and experiences. You do already incorporate experiences now that the language that you engage does not accomodate.

KATRIN: This is true. Yes.

ELIAS: Therefore, there is and will be an expansion of language, to express identifications for the experiences that you incorporate as you expand your awareness. In actuality, in some areas of your world new languages are being formed now.

KATRIN: And you wouldn’t give a clue, where? (Both laugh)

ELIAS: I may express to you, there are new languages being formed in your continent of South America.

KATRIN: Okay. This is the most interesting continent at the moment, anyway for me, what’s going to happen over there. (Elias laughs)

KATRIN: Hm, it’s an interesting continent. Yeah. Thank you so much.

ELIAS: A quiet continent, but one that engages considerable movement. (Laughs)

KATRIN: That is true. Against the rules. (Laughs) Okay. Thank you.

There is very simple question I just wanted to ask you. I have a strong desire to quit smoking, for reasons because I feel I have created the restriction now that you can’t smoke wherever you want to. And I don’t feel I have to smoke in a corner or somewhere. So I have decided to go with the wave and quit it. I make it very complicated with my association with addiction, that it will be difficult to get rid of the habit. Do you have any suggestion what I could concentrate upon instead? Because I suggest to myself, well, it will be so difficult and it is so painful, because I have done it before. Whether you could help me along in that, because I really believe I can create a reality where I don’t need cigarettes.

ELIAS: You are correct. And in this, allowing yourself to focus in a different manner may be helpful, and also creating distractions may be quite helpful. In this you can also offer yourself suggestions prior to your sleep state.

KATRIN: Oh, of course!

ELIAS: Not necessarily repelling suggestions. Many individuals incorporate the idea if they generate some type of repelling association to some action, such as smoking, that that will encourage them to not want to be smoking. And in actuality, that is much less successful.

KATRIN: This is true. I know from experience. I just go with it, somehow.

ELIAS: Therefore, if you offer yourself inviting suggestions prior to your sleep state…

KATRIN: Very good. Yeah.

ELIAS: …that may be quite helpful, And in that, when you generate an association with smoking in your waking state, you may automatically recall the inviting suggestions. And even if you do not necessarily recall them in thought, you may automatically generate an association – which can divert your attention.

KATRIN: I think that’s a most wonderful suggestion to me, because I believe strongly in these kind of things. And before you go to bed you suggest something to you, in a way you want to have a different approach to it. Thank you so much. I hadn’t thought about it yet. Now I am happy.

ELIAS: (Laughs) You are quite welcome. (Laughs)

KATRIN: Very good.

In one of the last sessions I had with you, I ended up with more questions to the body consciousness than I asked. So I want to follow them up now, mainly to check whether I have understood your explanations correctly.

I understand from the transcripts that our body consciousness is an objective imagery that requires subjective direction to be functioning. Body consciousness is an objective expression of essence, but it is not directing of its functioning. As I understand it, body consciousness is a subjective awareness and that our subjective awareness instructs our body to function. Is that correct, how I understood it?

ELIAS: Yes. Now; that can be influenced by the objective also. For remember: the objective and the subjective move in harmony.

KATRIN: Hm, true. And the other question I had where I wasn’t sure: the state of the body, not body consciousness, is a projection of my perception, because the body is a manifestation. And because it is a manifestation, I can alter it with my perception. Is my conclusion correct, to say that we direct the body consciousness with our perception?

ELIAS: Yes.

KATRIN: Oh, I have now understood it. Okay. And the other question from that session is that we talked about aging and aging is part of the design of this physical dimension, associated with beliefs about it. We talked about aging as an association to a belief. You said: “That is what creates aging. It is associated with a process of change and a type of metamorphosis in the alteration of the body consciousness.” Does that mean the association can be changed? I often find it difficult to find different associations to strong and hardly ever questioned expressed beliefs. How can this belief in the process of change have different associations regarding the body consciousness? I have an impression that with this shift in consciousness the association to aging will change automatically.

ELIAS: It will change and it is changing, but not entirely. The alteration or the change in perception concerning aging, in a manner of speaking, will become and is becoming more flexible and not as absolute. But it is not altering to the point in which there is no expression of aging. It shall be different, and already there are individuals that are relaxing that perception enough to be changing the manifestation, and in that, generating a type of aging but not necessarily in association with deterioration or malfunctioning.

KATRIN: Yeah, this is noticeable already, that people of a certain age look much younger than, let’s say, two decades ago in the same age.

ELIAS: Yes.

KATRIN: On the one hand it is the acceleration of time, I believe, and on the other hand it is the different association to aging.

ELIAS: Yes.

KATRIN: Because there is more fun involved in life when you are getting older now, probably having other things to do than you ever wanted to do, which was not that available, let’s say, fifty years ago. I think that makes change already to your body expression.

ELIAS: Yes. You are correct.

KATRIN: I wanted only to clarify that. Thank you very much.

ELIAS: You are welcome.

KATRIN: I do have a similar question, which I am not sure whether I have understood it. We all disengage when we have no value fulfillment any more. And this goes more often than not without an objective awareness so far. And the question is, if we objectively chose to notice or to be aware of this lack of value fulfillment, we will re-define the term death for us. We will objectively take on responsible for this action of disengaging. I even would say we could do it in a joyful manner, because we know that we want to explore something else, which seems to be more exciting and challenging than what we are doing in that moment as a physical manifestation.


Through all the information from you and other sources we know that loved ones in this physical dimension share other focuses with us and there is no need for feeling sad about departure, because it is like in physical life when you see a friend off who lives in different part of the world. Am I a simpleton here, not in a discounting way, or is there something in it that we will eventually accomplish?

ELIAS: I would express you are not a simpleton and I would also be acknowledging of you. For the simplicity of what you have expressed is quite accurate.

KATRIN: Thank you. I can ponder around it. (Elias laughs)

Similar to aging, I have a question about childcare. Children in our society nowadays need such a long time framework to be supervised. It has not always been like this. In former societies, they handled children differently. When our reality is changing, and as you ever say that children direct themselves, are my impression and imagination correct, that the length of childcare will change too? Women like myself and others I know don’t want to be so dependent on childcare for such a long time framework. Is it just a belief we have that children go through a number of years needing supervision? Is it again that we have the choice to change associations about bringing up children?

ELIAS: Yes.

KATRIN: And they could look after themselves, I believe, from a very early age?

ELIAS: Yes.

KATRIN: It’s quite radical thinking.

ELIAS: Yes. You are correct. And also, there is already beginning but shall continue to be expressed more fully futurely, different manners of associating with children, in not generating the rigidness of the structure of family in how it is expressed in most of your cultures throughout your world. In not necessarily generating the isolated roles of parents and children, but expanding that, in which there are broader interactions and less of an expression of obligation in those specific roles.

Those roles are being relaxed, in a manner of speaking. This would be another influence of the Borledim in this shift.

KATRIN: I have to look this up, what you have said already about it.

ELIAS: Recognizing that the roles of parents have been narrowed to become more and more rigid, and more and more isolated. Therefore the family unit becomes smaller and smaller. And, as you continue in this shift, that is reversing.

KATRIN: Can you pause for a minute? I have to change. (Pause) Yes. I am ready.

ELIAS: And in that changing, there is an expansion. For rather than expressing the roles of mother and father as being the caregivers to the children that they incorporate and the guiders and the rule-makers, so to speak, as the children are more and more directing of themselves, they become less and less dependent in association with the parents. And they themselves are initiating this movement of expansion, in which in directing themselves, they input information to themselves from many sources, not merely the parents. As this continues, the role of the parents is considerably relaxed.

And in that, rather than generating the type of family units that are familiar to you now, there shall be more of a community unit. What has been created throughout millenniums is this narrowing of the family unit and this separation of each family unit, and the association of ownership. And that is dramatically changing.

KATRIN: Good. Yeah. (Elias laughs) Okay. I lived in East Germany in the 60’s and 70’s. We had already started to. We dropped our children early in the morning and we picked them up late. And we didn’t feel that responsible, I thought, as people experienced in West Germany or in England or wherever I observed it. So I wonder why the beginning in the 60’s, and probably in the States as well, where the parents recognized that they don’t want that dependence any more and had created some institutions or some places where children could play with other children, and were pretty sure that they were well looked after and they could do what they wanted to do. There was a beginning already. It appears to me now there is somehow it’s getting more rigid and more restrictive at the moment. But we will go through it and we will find new ways, I think.

ELIAS: (Chuckles) And for the most part, your small ones shall be the most significant in altering that.

KATRIN: Right. This is the most wonderful answer. (Both laugh) That’s fantastic, indeed. A kind of experiment. (Elias laughs) And so it has to do with what the parents want.

I only have a couple of minutes because Mary’s tape is not that long. I just pondered about the focus colour and the essence colour. My focus colour is black and my essence colour is indigo. Now what can you do with that information? Is there anything I could look up I haven’t seen in transcripts? Or what can I do in knowing that?

ELIAS: You can incorporate that in similar manner to dream triggers. You can incorporate experiencing the vibrational quality of those colours and allow yourself to use them in a fashion of a portal into other areas of consciousness.

KATRIN: Oh yes! I will try this. Thank you.

ELIAS: You can even incorporate them as a portal into other realities.

KATRIN: Especially with this essence colour, because essence is everywhere.

ELIAS: Yes. And in that, you can incorporate the use of it as a type of magic door. (Laughs)

KATRIN: Mm! This is very good. (Both laugh) I love to hear that.

I just wanted to thank you, Elias, about your inspiration, such fun to be inspired by you. And it has been a session as usual and you have given me some comfort that thinking is not that bad. (Both laugh) That’s all I needed today. (Both laugh)

ELIAS: No, my friend, thinking is not bad. (Both laugh)

KATRIN: Okay. This is quite important for me to know. I should have known. I’m not sure, but I could have known that. But all of a sudden you’re so focused and ah! You shouldn’t think, you shouldn’t think. And forget how enjoyable this is. (Both laugh)

I am looking forward to talk to you again. And I thank you so much.

ELIAS: And I with you also, my friend. As always, I can express to you that our conversation has been quite enjoyable. (Laughs)

KATRIN: Thank you.

ELIAS: I shall be offering my energy to you in great supportiveness and reminder for playfulness. (Chuckles)

KATRIN: Yes. I will go through this magic door. That will distract me from thinking so much.

ELIAS: Ah! Very well. And perhaps I shall join you. (Laughs)

KATRIN: Well, thank you! (Laughs)

ELIAS: Very well, my friend. I anticipate our next meeting. And I express to you tremendous appreciation and great lovingness. Au revoir.

KATRIN: Auf Wiedersehen.

(Elias departs after 55 minutes.)

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