The USA Today: Closer and Closer to a Revolution
Topics:
“The Energy of Protests”
“Moving in the Direction of Revolution”
“The Importance of Acceptance of Differences”
“A Similar Situation to Versailles”
“The Power of the Militia and Veterans”
Monday, January 26, 2026 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Yvonne (Zarla)
ELIAS: Good morning!
YVONNE: Good morning, Elias.
ELIAS: (Chuckles) And how shall we begin?
YVONNE: Well actually a curiosity that… or something that I think could be helpful to a number of people now. There’s been a lot of escalation in violence in this branch of the U.S. government that’s in Minneapolis. And they’ve been very kind of like aggressive behavior, like kind of kidnapping and removing people and using children as bait to lure out their parents, and they’ve been killing undocumented immigrants and American citizens now. So there was a second person that died on Saturday, and there have been a lot of these very massive protests against this. And I’m just curious what people can do to de-escalate the violence. It’s… like not to feed into it with too much attention, but then at the same time, not match energy while advocating for change. Because I have noticed some of the protestors are extremely upset and understandably so, but they’re doing things like yelling at the ICE agents, and a lot of things that are matching energy and encouraging them further. So I’m just curious. What sort of things could people do that are not matching energy, but also advocating for change and a stop to this madness and tragedy?
ELIAS: I understand, and what I would say to you is (pause) matching energy is not the same as expressing protesting what is happening in a particular situation, and protesting isn’t always quiet and subdued. And then you move in a direction beyond that, into what I’ve discussed previously in relation to revolution. And revolution doesn’t necessarily have to be fought with guns, but it’s not entirely lacking of its own expressions of violence and it depends on what the situation is. And I would say that I’m aware that there are many people that would wish that they could accomplish certain situations in opposition to what is being mandated by the government in calm, quiet peaceful manners but that’s not always realistic. And in that, what I would say is your history is fraught with these situations.
YVONNE: Yeah.
ELIAS: And you’re moving in a direction in your country of becoming closer and closer to this situation of revolution. And I’ve been expressing that to all of you for a time now, and it’s been heating up consistently for a time. And what I would say is there are two points. One is thus far in your history – I’m not speaking only of your history in your country, but in your world – your country has endured the longest in relation to an established country, and established constitution and an established government. Generally, countries don’t endure as long as yours has. And the reason I’m saying that is because in a manner of speaking, you’re overdue for a revolution. (Yvonne laughs).
In that, the Civil War was not a revolution. A revolution is something that is mounted against the reigning government, in which the entire country is moving in opposition to the current government. And there has been so much unrest that has been building for approximately a hundred years in your country, that began with the Civil War and the divisions in relation to race then, and it’s simply continued and escalated and expanded. It’s still about race. It’s simply about more races than only one. And therefore it’s a matter of recognizing that your country at this point is somewhat of a pressure cooker and it’s simply waiting to explode, because no one is turning the valve to let off the steam. And the only ones that can actually do that are either someone that would step forward and become a figurehead, such as your Martin Luther King, and in which there would be much more than two deaths, and the other possibility would be someone in the actual government. Which it doesn’t appear that either of those scenarios are presenting themselves, although there is still time and someone might.
But it’s a situation in which people need someone to follow. When they don’t have someone to follow, there is chaos because then people all move in their own directions and that doesn’t actually accomplish much of anything except chaos and violence. And that’s where you’re at now. Unfortunately, that is a situation in which it’s likely then that more people will die in this process. Although I would give you credit that only two have—
YVONNE: Well, two—
ELIAS: — died thus far.
YVONNE: —American citizens.
ELIAS: That you know of.
YVONNE: Yes. There are, I’m sure there are… There definitely are many more people who have been detained.
ELIAS: Yes.
YVONNE: And have been killed in these detention facilities.
ELIAS: Yes. You are correct. And I would say that it’s a matter of how far you’re willing to allow this to continue. It’s not matching energy when you’re standing up for yourselves. When you’re being oppressed and you’re not being heard and your situation is dire, then it’s generally time for action.
YVONNE: Mm. (Pause) Yeah. There’s, aside from this issue and this escalating violence from the government, people in general have been very, have felt that the system has not been working for them for a long time, and people across the political spectrum. Like cost of living has been expensive. People feeling like they are having extreme difficulty in making a life for themselves and—
ELIAS: And surviving.
YVONNE: Yeah.
ELIAS: Yes. I agree.
YVONNE: So it could be time for a… potentially a new constitution and re-evaluation of what we want our country to be, going forward.
ELIAS: That is very possible, but it’s also, as I said, a matter of moving in a direction in which you have a leader.
YVONNE: So how would we encourage that to happen? I mean, I personally (laughs) don’t feel called to lead a revolution for example, but someone will be.
ELIAS: Someone may be. I would say that it’s a matter of who will step forward.
YVONNE: Hm. And take the risk to themselves, because that is—
ELIAS: Precisely.
YVONNE: — putting themselves in a position of potential assassination.
ELIAS: Correct. It’s a matter of how important the situation is to the person, the person that steps forward. Because that is a very real potential.
YVONNE: Yeah.
ELIAS: And I’d say that that is a very potential in any revolution.
YVONNE: Yeah.
ELIAS: That the individual that steps forward to be the leader is likely to forfeit their life for their cause. Not initially.
YVONNE: Right.
ELIAS: But I’d also say that there is that potential that it might move in a different direction, in which the person that chooses to lead might not be in a situation of sacrificing their life. Your forefathers made it considerably.
YVONNE: Yeah, that is true.
ELIAS: Therefore that is a very real possibility also. But the situation remains that it’s a matter of someone stepping forward to be that leader.
YVONNE: So if that doesn’t happen and, as you’re saying, right now currently in the probability, like currently the trajectory that we’re going on, no one is stepping up or really is about to step up as leader. What, if that continues, what could the future look like if we’re just having more of this chaos without a leader? I think that could be helpful for people to know (laughs) and—
ELIAS: I understand.
YVONNE: — for people to action. Yeah.
ELIAS: And I’d say that unfortunately, without a leader it is a situation in which there will likely be a considerable amount of violence and more deaths. And I would say that this also is a very strong part of your history, meaning throughout your world, that this period of time without a leader can last for a significant amount of time. It can last for years. It simply moves in a direction of continuing to escalate more and more and more. And I’d say to you that even in situations such as your second world war, you had three leaders that opposed the one, but look at how long that took.
YVONNE: Yeah. It was many years of escalation before they stepped up.
ELIAS: Correct. And look at how many people’s lives were forfeit.
YVONNE: Right.
ELIAS: In that, it’s a matter of when does it affect people to the point that it’s too much, when does it affect people to the point that they are being threatened personally and disrupting their lives to the point that they express, “Enough!”
YVONNE: Mm-hm. So obviously the people that live in Minneapolis—
ELIAS: Are saying, “Enough!”
YVONNE: Yeah.
ELIAS: Yes. But is that enough? I’d say that the people in Minneapolis are expressing that “Enough!” for them, but is it enough to rally the rest of the country behind them?
YVONNE: No. Well, because there is also still a lot of, for a couple of reasons it’s like there’s still a lot of…. I mean, these forces, these government forces, are only deployed in certain areas and they are certain areas that have disagreed with the President. So there’s that. They’re not absolutely everywhere so there aren’t as… Like it’s not like every city is being affected by them currently. And then also there’s still a lot of strong divisions among political lines, where people are thinking that people with these different political beliefs than them are evil and that they deserve this.
ELIAS: And isn’t that always how it runs?
YVONNE: I guess so.
ELIAS: That would be the situation. It’s quite typical, I would say, that people have this tendency. Humans have this tendency to look at difference as being so threatening that they cannot abide with the differences. This is the reason that I harp on the subject—
YVONNE: (Laughs) Yeah.
ELIAS: — so much, in relation to acceptance of difference, why it is so important. And in that, I’m well aware how many people are expressing their boredom with my expression of harping on this subject, but the people that are bored with that subject are the very people that are subject to moving in these directions of destruction. Therefore that’s something to heed, because if you don’t want to be a person that is moving in the direction of destruction, if you don’t want to see yourself as a person that is in the direction of destruction, then that acceptance becomes much more important. Because if you don’t move in that direction, you’re doomed to repeat history. And as I’ve said, your history is fraught with this type of actions, that people fight against each other in relation to differences and what they cannot accept.
But I would definitely acknowledge you, my dear friend, for asking about this subject and opening it up.
YVONNE: Yeah. I feel like it’s quite a big subject and has ramifications for a lot of people, and…
ELIAS: I agree, and I would say that it’s an important subject.
YVONNE: Right. I mean, I find it interesting to see the reactions of the rest of the world and how in general we’re at a point in so many areas of a lot of change in the world. And this realm of global politics and everything is no exception. So now it’s like a lot of other countries are looking at the U.S. as… Like losing trust that things will be stable and a good trading partner, for example, for them, or military alliances or something. And so they’re starting to make alliances with other countries and doing it in a way of like, “Oh, who has similar interests to us?” rather than “This country is this form of government,” or “That country is that form of government so we can’t interact with them,” or something. So I find it interesting that there is this kind of shift going on and how people are setting up their relationships among other countries and perhaps building some new bridges. But also that it’s like this could cause pain for my country, because there’s… Like some are also going in the direction of doing boycotts of all American goods, for example, which could cause issues for businesses here and everything. So—
ELIAS: Quite so. And even individual consumers.
YVONNE: Yes.
ELIAS: And that will hit you in a direction that you might pay more attention to.
YVONNE: Exactly. Yeah. I mean, and it is these business leaders of these different companies, for example, that are the ones who are donating lots of money to these political campaigns, in order to have influence with the people who gain power. So that is a silver lining (laughs), I guess, that they might be more willing to listen to them, because it hurts them in the pocketbook, so…
ELIAS: Correct. I’d say that there are many reasons to move in a direction of stopping the current expressions, the current directions.
YVONNE: Right. Yeah. Yeah, and I think the President perceives that we are just… the country is so powerful and important that the rest of the world will bend the knee, and that he can say whatever he wants to others and other people are just saying, “We’ll forget about you.” (Laughs) Like, “There’s more people in the rest of the world than just your country.”
ELIAS: Correct. I agree. And in that, I would say that it’s definitely a situation in which that may be a considerable impetus for change. I would say that the direction that your country – or not your country, but I would say that the direction of your present government is (chuckles) very reminiscent of Versailles.
YVONNE: Oh!
ELIAS: And look at what happened there.
YVONNE: Was that the “Let them eat cake” thing? I’ll have to read up (laughs) on that.
ELIAS: The queen lost her head. Actually, the king lost his head also. (Chuckles) I would say that think about that. Oppression, and I would say that the people were being thrown into jails in droves, and expected to support the king and his court in all of his narcissistic greatness, (Yvonne chuckles) all of what he wanted, to glorify himself. And what happened? There was a considerable revolution and yes, the king and the queen were divorced from their heads. I would say that it’s something to consider. This is where that saying comes from about, “If you don’t pay attention to history, you are doomed to repeat it.” And in that, it’s true. I would say that, once again, the direction that your government is moving in is (chuckles) very reminiscent of France.
YVONNE: Interesting. So we could learn some interesting lessons from the revolutionaries there that resisted them?
ELIAS: Yes. Yes. And the king had quite a number of forces and quite an army and quite the resources, and look what happened to him anyway. It didn’t matter.
Therefore it’s a matter of reminding yourselves there is (chuckles) tremendous strength in numbers and even though your country also, in your present time framework, has a considerable amount of strength in military, I would say that it would be questionable whether the military would pursue the people to tremendous lengths. That even the military might not be persuaded to move in tremendous directions against the people.
YVONNE: That’s good to hear.
ELIAS: And even if they were – which I would question that seriously – but even if they were, I’d also say that there are a lot of people in your country that have a lot of guns.
YVONNE: Yeah. (Laughs)
ELIAS: It’s not only the military.
YVONNE: Right. (Laughs)
ELIAS: Therefore there is a lot of people in your country that are willing to use those lot of guns.
YVONNE: I was thinking the other day too that it’s like, a lot of times, like these individuals that have a lot of guns are usually concerned about a Democratic president coming to power and putting restrictions on that but it’s like, oh it might not be who you think (laughs) you want to take up arms against. (Laughs)
ELIAS: Precisely. Precisely. And in that, I’d say that moving in that direction you also still have a considerable number of militia—
YVONNE: Oh yeah! And a lot of—
ELIAS: — that very much don’t want to be controlled by the government military. And that’s the reason that they have stockpiled their artillery, and they have a lot of artillery and they very much adhere to their way of life, of NOT being beholden to the government and adhering to their constitutional rights.
YVONNE: Yeah. So in all of this, if it continues to escalate and having government forces in more and more places or having, alternately having resistance used as a justification for putting more and more restrictions on everyone in the country, that could be impetus for these militia groups—
ELIAS: Correct.
YVONNE: — to begin mobilizing.
ELIAS: Correct. I would say that it may come to a point in which the people in your country are grateful for your militia.
YVONNE: (Laughs) I know. Yeah. Right.
ELIAS: For all the people in your country that have been afraid of them or think that they are ignorant individuals, they’re mountainfolk, that they are simply ignorant hillbillies, shall we say, I would disagree with that vehemently.
YVONNE: Right. Of course.
ELIAS: They are far from it, and they are definitely aware of their constitutional rights.
YVONNE: Yeah. I think what was significant too with this second American citizen that was killed on Saturday, he did have a legal concealed-carry permit, and he was not using his weapon. But then I think it was discovered or someone tried to remove it and then he was executed by these government agents. So it is already starting to—
ELIAS: Which is not going to sit well—
YVONNE: Yes, exactly.
ELIAS: — with the millions of people in your country that carry weapons.
YVONNE: Absolutely. Yeah.
ELIAS: There are a lot of people in your country that carry weapons.
YVONNE: Yeah.
ELIAS: Therefore I’d say that that’s not necessarily something that is boding well for (both chuckle) moving in peaceful directions.
YVONNE: Right. Yeah. A lot of former military members as well, who have, who are no longer associated with the military but do have the training to resist.
ELIAS: Quite so. Quite so. Yes. I would definitely agree, my friend, and there are a lot of them also. And there are a lot (laughs) of ex-military or veterans that have actual war experience. And that’s another piece.
YVONNE: That’s something that the current government is maybe not considering as much as they should in their actions.
ELIAS: (Laughs) I would agree. (Both laugh) I would agree. And with the veterans of certain wars, they didn’t necessarily return home in a satisfied condition. (Chuckles)
YVONNE: Sure. And there’s been a lot of… There’s a government association, veterans’ affairs association, who many people are dissatisfied with, the way that they take care of people when they come home, who have felt that it’s been sorely inadequate.
ELIAS: Precisely. And their care in relation to how they are cared for with the veteran’s administration in relation to their medical. There are many (chuckles), many disgruntled individuals that are veterans. And executing an individual that is legally carrying a weapon is not sending a good message. (Both laugh) We shall see what occurs.
YVONNE: Yeah. Very interesting.
(Audio ends after 43 minutes)
(Elias departs after 1 hour 2 minutes)
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