Monday, January 12, 2026 (Private/Phone)

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Julie (Fontine)


ELIAS: Good afternoon!

JULIE: Good afternoon, Elias.

ELIAS: And what shall we discuss?

JULIE: (Chuckles) First of all, will you just let me know when the timer goes off, if I don’t hear it? (Laughs)

ELIAS: Of course, I will.

JULIE: Okay. (Laughs) Thank you. Right. Okay, so I was … I guess I would like to first start out by restating my intent and clarifying it. I had written it down when we discussed it many years ago, and I cannot find the exact words or that session. And what I’ve always remembered that it was is observing the energy interactions in between the surface expressions of self and self, and self and other. Is that correct?

ELIAS: That is correct. Congratulations.

JULIE: Okay. Thank you. Okay. Now can you explain it in a different way? (Both laugh)

ELIAS: Now; think about your life and think about what you do and what is important to you in every facet of your life. And think about how you engage and how you interact, and your experiences throughout your life. You’ve had lots of challenging experiences through your life, but think about how those experiences have affected your life and your directions.

JULIE: Uh, they give me a lot of questions. (Both laugh) Um…

ELIAS: Take your time. Relax and think about it.

JULIE: Um… Well, I don’t know. I mean, I know I’m always observing myself and others and what I’m saying and what they’re saying and how it feels in between us and… (Pause) And… it’s always a… My relationships are always a motivation to understand more and go deeper into that understanding.

ELIAS: I would agree. Yes, I would agree.

Now; think about what is expressed in your intent.

JULIE: In between the surface expressions.

ELIAS: Correct. Therefore you’re looking at and experiencing what’s happening around you in your life, but you’re also paying attention to how that affects you, how that affects others and what is happening underneath what is expressed in physical imagery, and how that affects everything and how it affects you, and then how you are interacting with other people that are also being affected and that are moving in their own expressions and responses and reactions to the imagery that is presented to them also.

I’d say that for the most part throughout your life what you’ve done has been accumulated in what you’re doing now, in relation to teaching meditation. But you’ve always moved in a direction of looking at that under-the-surface part of existence and part of experiences, and then been able to contribute a calming factor. Even before the meditations, being able to inject into situations that element of a calming energy. It’s not always been received as well (chuckles) as you are projecting it, but eventually it has had an effect in that direction. Do you understand?

JULIE: Mm-hm. I guess I don’t always… I mean I guess I can, if I follow someone over a longer term. I can see how it might take them a while, but yes.

ELIAS: I agree.

JULIE: Okay.

ELIAS: But that doesn’t mean that your energy hasn’t been injected into the situation.

Now; from that, you can also gather that this is also happening in a broader sense. That this is how it ripples out, that it’s not always something that is recognized immediately. Sometimes it is, but not always and that doesn’t matter. It’s still being expressed.

JULIE: Okay. Thank you.

ELIAS: You are tremendously welcome.

JULIE: Okay. So I wanted to talk a little bit, just kind of tell you what I’ve been doing. I’ve been microdosing mushrooms for a little while. I mean, I was doing it pretty steadily for a while, like taking it, a microdose, twice a week and just kind of experimenting with whether that… Actually, I can change my habits and behaviors more quickly with that and I was just talking to Mary about that. And then, when I stop microdosing, does it go away? Because sometimes it takes a while to actually change a habit or create a new experience. And so I was telling her I’ve become more willing to expose and less bothered by what people think about me, and so that’s one thing that has stuck around, whether I’m microdosing or not. And then the other was… This one’s kind of new, but I discovered it when I was microdosing during meditation and I experienced my skin, this feeling around my skin, like it almost feels like there’s a warm light around all the edges of my skin or that the boundaries are less solid with the air. And it feels really, really nice. And what would you say that is?

ELIAS: That’s you, surrounding yourself with your essence energy.

JULIE: Mm. Wow. (Laughs) Any more about that?

ELIAS: (Pause) I’d say that it’s allowing yourself to rest into your actual being. That you ARE essence. This is not something that is simply a concept. That is you, and when you allow yourself to settle into that greater part of yourself, then it’s a matter of you actually, because you are emotional and feeling beings and sense-oriented, you actually move in a direction in which you can feel your Self in that presence, the presence of your Self.

JULIE: Mm. Okay. That kind of goes with one of the questions I was going to ask you about. We had talked about, before, how I can’t perceive my subjective. But then you said, “But your subjective actually can affect your perception so that it’s somehow perceivable.” Would that be—

ELIAS: Yes.

JULIE: — part of that? Yeah.

ELIAS: Yes, definitely. Because it’s a matter of looking at yourself as a whole and looking at yourself from a genuine perspective. In that, not trying to see yourself or your subjective part of yourself as something cosmic and foreign, (chuckles) but rather being able to see yourself as who and what you are.

JULIE: Yeah. Hm. And then it kind of flips and the objective part of me becomes more see-though or like a movie projection almost. Floating—

ELIAS: Yes.

JULIE: Floating on the surface of that energy.

ELIAS: Yes. Yes.

JULIE: Yeah. Okay. (Pause) So let’s see. I have some other questions. Oh, I was going to tell you today, so today I took a little microdose and it was from someone else. Someone else had given me some of theirs that they had grown and I didn’t… I took a very small dose because I knew it might be strong, and it was actually strong. (Laughs) And I went out, outside with the dog, to walk the dog, and I felt like I was… I started feeling like I was going to start walking up into the sky, like levitating. (Both laugh) And then my daughter called and brought me down to earth pretty fast, but I was laughing about that. Like woo! (Both laugh) Yeah.

And so then that got me to thinking about gravity, because I have a… I just have an interest in gravity. Like when I meditate, I like to just feel it really deeply, all the ways that it’s affecting my body. And I know it’s a belief, but it’s… So I feel the way that belief is affecting the body and I kind of like it because it’s comforting, but I also like it when I start feeling floaty because that’s novel. (Elias laughs) And it seems like it’s two sides of the same coin, like that full acceptance that yeah, I like this gravity belief, and just really feeling it can also loosen me up to notice the other side of it. (Chuckles) How would you express what I did?

ELIAS: I’d say you’re explaining it quite well. (Both laugh) And I’d say that I encourage it, because it’s fun and it gives you a very different perspective in relation to your experience and yourself and life in general. I’d say that most of you take life much too seriously. (Both laugh)

JULIE: Yeah. Yeah. (Elias laughs) So then that… I started wondering. Well, let’s see. Jean had shared a quote about how accepting beliefs is the mergence of the subjective and the objective, from way long ago when you started doing the exchange. So I had been thinking about that, and so then I started thinking, well… So am I accepting gravity beliefs when I’m doing that?

ELIAS: Yes.

JULIE: Basically? Yeah.

ELIAS: And playing with it.

JULIE: Yeah. And playing with it, yeah. Okay, and so then I started thinking about well, how can I play with this in other ways, like accepting other beliefs, strong beliefs or boundaries that I have. And so I started thinking well, relationships. Like when I feel that there’s some kind of… Looking at the interaction in between me and another person, it always produces a feeling. There’s this feeling sense of… Maybe it’s like pushing or staticky or, you know, there’s always a feeling there. And so what if I start probing that feeling?

ELIAS: Aha! Now you are moving in the correct direction.

JULIE: Yeah. And so probing that feeling, and then at some point it starts loosening or dissolving or changing, and I guess I can do that with any feeling really.

ELIAS: Yes, you can, any feeling.

JULIE: Yeah. And pain. Pain, pleasure. Like pain can turn into pleasure, or… But especially I guess it’s interesting between me and other people, because that’s another one of those. It can be an absolute and then other times I’m wondering well, is that him or is that me or is that the both of us? (Elias laughs) Because it’s very hard to tell where that energy is actually (chuckles) coming from. (Both laugh)

ELIAS: I’d say that most of it is you. Sometimes there is a little bit of me (chuckles) but most of it is you.

JULIE: Uh-huh. Is that in all cases with people?

ELIAS: Yes.

JULIE: Okay. Yeah. Okay, so I remember this little snippet that Debbie shared about partners, and when one partner dies and the other one changes a whole lot. So then I started thinking well, how am I affecting my husband? (Both laugh) When he seems so grouchy, is that me?

ELIAS: You’re participating, but no, you’re not making him be grouchy.

JULIE: Okay. How am I participating?

ELIAS: Because he wouldn’t be engaging that with you if you weren’t participating in it.

JULIE: Okay. Yeah.

ELIAS: Therefore there’s an aspect of you (pause), in a manner of speaking, contributing in an indirect manner in that you would be also projecting an energy that is pulling that to you.

JULIE: Oh, okay. Maybe an expectation about him? Or pre-… Or anticipation or something because of past experiences? Or…

ELIAS: Yes.

JULIE: Okay.

ELIAS: Yes.

JULIE: Yeah, okay. And so then I could just let go of any preconceptions or past experiences and then—

ELIAS: Yes.

JULIE: — see him with fresh eyes in each moment.

ELIAS: I would agree.

JULIE: Yeah. Okay. Anything more about that?

ELIAS: No, I would say that that’s enough and that you would definitely understand.

JULIE: Okay. All right. And then… So I wanted to talk about meditation and how meditation can… how we can actually recognize, express and release feelings during meditation. Because I’m… I know it has an effect, but I’m not, I don’t know if it follows that formula that you’ve given. But I know that… I know… Like we were talking, I was talking about probing into the feeling with my awareness and how it starts changing and releasing. So that’s the recognition and the acknowledgment, but how does it express that feeling?

ELIAS: Meaning what precisely?

JULIE: Well, because I just remember. Like you gave this formula that if you have a feeling, you should always express it.

ELIAS: Yes.

JULIE: Yes. And that if you don’t—

ELIAS: First it’s a matter of acknowledging it.

JULIE: Yes. Uh-huh.

ELIAS: And expressing it. It’s very easy to think about a physical feeling, and if you put that physical feeling in slow motion, so to speak, such as if you stub your toe, it all happens very quickly but if you slow that all down and actually allow yourself to observe what’s happening, first there is the action of you stubbing your toe. Then you generally will look down at it first, before you scream (chuckles) or yell. And in that moment of looking down, that’s the acknowledgment of what is happening and what is making the feeling. Therefore it’s first a matter of acknowledging and then you have the feeling and then you express it. And if you express it, the feeling dissipates relatively quickly. Therefore what are you precisely asking in relation to a meditation?

JULIE: Well because feelings come up during a meditation, like it might be a past event feeling I guess, from the past, or a thought comes and then there’s a feeling with it and… And so then I look into that feeling, I recognize it, I look at it, I observe it and it starts changing and dissolves. Like I go closer into it, you know?

ELIAS: Yes.

JULIE: With my awareness, and it starts changing and dissolving and then—

ELIAS: Generally speaking, that is what would happen, is that it would start dissolving or dissipating and then floating away.

JULIE: And is that…?

ELIAS: It’s when you attempt to push away or ignore that it becomes bigger or louder.

JULIE: Okay. All right. I guess that’s enough answer for now.

ELIAS: Very well.

JULIE: Is there something I’m not understanding that you can—

ELIAS: No.

JULIE: Okay. All right.

ELIAS: No.

JULIE: Okay. All right. Okay. (Pause) Could you…? How does my health and body seem to you right now?

ELIAS: Reasonably well. Why?

JULIE: I was just wondering if I… Like I can’t quite tell if there is an improvement or more healing, am I in a more healing direction, or a holding pattern or what? (Both laugh)

ELIAS: I’d say you’re not necessarily in a holding pattern. (Both laugh) But I would say that you are proceeding reasonably well with regenerating. And I’d say that your meditations are being tremendously successful in your life.

JULIE: Oh. Okay. So state of my life, state of the shift, is that moving in a beneficial direction? (Laughs)

ELIAS: Definitely.

JULIE: Okay.

ELIAS: Definitely. And I understand that it can be odd and you can wonder whether you’re having any type of an effect at all in many situations, because it’s something you don’t actually physically see many times. Although with yourself, I’d say that that’s a different situation because if you’re paying attention you should be able to see differences in yourself. It’s a matter of not looking at differences necessarily within a week, but looking at yourself from the perspective of six months ago and now. It’s more obvious. You can see differences within a week or even within a day, but it’s more obvious if you are looking at yourself from a perspective of then and now in relation to months.

JULIE: Mm-hm. Oh yeah, definitely. I mean if I look at myself from last year or whatever (chuckles) I can see a definite improvement. Healing, in a healing direction.

ELIAS: Yes.

JULIE: Yeah. Okay. And I’m remembering more states of being from when I was meditating a lot before, things that I just knew back then and was living. I’m remembering more of that now again, and then I also… I looked up a piece that I had written back then about a flow state that I was in, that I felt that I was living at the time, and I could see how some of it was dissociating or that I was not quite paying attention to everything as deeply as I am now. Like I have more clarity.

ELIAS: Oh definitely. But you’ve also learned much more.

JULIE: Yeah. Yeah, I’ve definitely learned a lot more.

ELIAS: I (chuckles) very much agree.

JULIE: (Laughs) That I was glossing over a lot and I didn’t understand a lot about other people or about even myself.

ELIAS: I’d agree.

JULIE: Yeah. (Pause) And so the flow, the flow, how am I doing in the flow? Can you actually see that? The flowing with others?

ELIAS: I’d say very well. I’d say that your timeframes in which you aren’t doing that are very infrequent now. And I would also credit you with your meditations as being very instrumental in that.

JULIE: Okay. Good. It’s hard for me to see because there’s… I’m aware of so much more detail, objective detail now—

ELIAS: Yes.

JULIE: — than I was back then. And so then I wonder if I’m still flowing, because of all this objective detail. (Laughs)

ELIAS: Yes.

JULIE: Okay.

ELIAS: You are.

JULIE: All right. Okay. So let me talk about the baby (name removed).

ELIAS: Very well.

JULIE: I noticed this with (Grandchild 1) too. She’s a softie, but… and with (Baby), he’s a little different. So I’ll just talk about (Baby). He sleeps a whole lot and so did (Grandchild 2), the other grandchild that I’ve observed with their mom (name removed), and she carries them a lot and holds them in the little carrier a lot, and they sleep a lot. Or you know he (Baby) still sleeps for long periods during the day, like probably a… He could sleep for twenty hours in a day. And he’s about three months now and neither of my kids did that. (Laughs) And what is this sleeping? What is he doing?

ELIAS: I’d say that is tremendous. I’d say that it is a definite signal that he’s very content and very… feels very safe.

JULIE: Mm. Nice.

ELIAS: Yes. Especially with his mother. I would say that there is a tremendous bond and that he feels very safe with her.

JULIE: Yeah. Okay.

ELIAS: Which then makes him feel very safe in general.

JULIE: Yeah. Oh, good. And (Grandchild 2) same way, and he’s three and his bond with his mother is very strong.

ELIAS: Yes.

JULIE: Okay. Good. So with (Grandchild 2), when I would hold him and when I held both of my babies, because I carried my babies a lot too when they were young, and they would melt into my body and just kind of relax and melt. And (Grandchild 2) the same way. And when I carry (Baby), he gets really wiggly (both laugh) and almost like he’s moving independently from me, just wiggling a whole lot. And so I was curious. What is that? Why is he different that way? Is it my—

ELIAS: That’s— Continue.

JULIE: Oh. So like the times that I’m usually holding him is when he’s awake and… ‘Cause his mom has him all the time when he’s asleep, just snuggling up or nursing or whatever but… And so it’s usually in the evening and that might be the time when I’ve built up accumulated energy that I need to, I should have expressed or haven’t expressed in my body. So I thought maybe it’s that, or maybe it’s the same for him, that he’s accumulated something in his body, that he’s kind of wiggling.

ELIAS: I’d say that it’s more a matter of not only your energy but all of the energy all around him. At that time of day, that’s I would say a significant time in which small ones are generally more agitated. Because there is much more, in a manner of speaking, commotion and a lot more energy that is being expressed in a capacity of agitation. People are coming home from work. People are more tense in their energy. It’s the end of the day. They may be tired and they’re not listening to that signal of being tired and pushing past it. And that creates an agitated energy also.

JULIE: Mm-hm. Okay. So it’s not just me, but—

ELIAS: No.

JULIE: —all the people around me.

ELIAS: Yes.

JULIE: And it’s always the big family group usually, when I’m holding him (laughs), so…

ELIAS: Yes. And that’s, that is a very influencing piece.

JULIE: Okay. All right.

ELIAS: When there are a lot of people around and there’s a lot of energy happening and in that, the little one is trying to adjust and they simply can’t. They bounce off of all this other energy.

JULIE: Okay. That makes sense.

ELIAS: And especially small ones that are used to being held and being comforted by their mother and having that calm energy around them, that is even more difficult for them to adjust to all of the so-called chaotic energy around them.

JULIE: Mm-hm. Okay. So that’s something that I suppose they will adjust to, or…?

ELIAS: Eventually they do.

JULIE: Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, thank you. I won’t take it personally then. (Laughs)

ELIAS: Don’t. Yes. Do not take it personally. (Laughs)

JULIE: Yeah. When it was Christmas day and we had the whole huge family here all day long, I dedicated myself to taking little time-outs and not—

ELIAS: Excellent.

JULIE: — always being in the middle of all the action all the time, or expecting myself to, and that worked really well and I had a good day. And other people also said wow, that was a really nice Christmas (laughs) compared—

ELIAS: Excellent.

JULIE: — to last year. (Laughs) Yeah. So that was nice.

ELIAS: I would say that is excellent.

JULIE: Thanks. Yeah. So I have to remember that piece again of time-outs.

ELIAS: (Laughs) Yes.

JULIE: It helps a lot, for me. Okay.

ELIAS: Yes.

JULIE: For me. Time-out for me. (Laughs) All right. (Elias chuckles) Okay, so this is kind of a curiosity. There have been some videos going around online about the hidden teachings of Seth and transcripts that have not yet been released because Seth deemed that people were not ready for it or maybe Jane and Rob did. I’m not sure. But is that true?

ELIAS: I would say that myself and another individual were just speaking about this.

JULIE: (Laughs) Okay.

ELIAS: This very day.

JULIE: I know who that is. (Laughs)

ELIAS: I would say the same to you as I expressed to her, and you can pursue it further if you choose, that it’s not entirely true. Were there different sessions that were withheld? Yes. But are they necessarily being released now? No. And I would say the same of myself, that there have been sessions that I have had with certain people that are not being shared, and that was the decision of Jane and Rob as it has been the decision of Michael now, Michael and Lawrence previously. And in that, it’s their discretion as to whether that is being released or not. At this point it is the discretion of Laurel, who owns the property of the Seth material. As to whether that, any of that would be released and when. I would say as I did this day to the other individual, that is some of this information perhaps inspired by Seth? Yes. Is it being distorted? Also yes.

JULIE: Okay. All right. I thought I heard some distortions in there (both laugh) and sensationalized. Yeah.

ELIAS: Yes. I would agree.

JULIE: Okay. But it did get us thinking about things in a different way anyway, so—

ELIAS: Yes.

JULIE: I might bring that up with you. We’re kind of funding a group session to bring up some of these topics, so—

ELIAS: Very well.

JULIE: Yeah. Okay. So now, here’s another. This is another question about raising the vibrational quality or raising our vibrational frequency, and I spoke with you last time about pulsations and vibrations. And what I think I’m noticing is that when it seems like physical reality is… when I’m really slowing down physically and paying attention more closely to physical details, it seems that pulsations are slower. They’re slowing down. But is that…? How do I say that? Is that a rate…? Is that a higher or greater vibrational rate? Is that a…? I don’t know exactly how to say it, but it seems like there’s more consciousness happening during those moments of slowing physical reality.

ELIAS: Yes.

JULIE: When it, when I perceive physical reality to be almost even at a standstill, that’s when the… Is that when the vibrational quality of consciousness is high?

ELIAS: Yes.

JULIE: Okay.

ELIAS: I would express that in relation to that subject, it’s actually something that you don’t necessarily have to think about or move in a direction of wondering about, because you actually automatically move in a direction of raising your vibrational qualities simply by increasing your awareness.

JULIE: Mm-hm. And regarding meditation, if I were to… Like when I become very still and focus on being still, then I’m aware of more.

ELIAS: Correct.

JULIE: And that’s when things might pop in like impulses or impressions, these communications from essence, fully-formed—

ELIAS: Correct.

JULIE: — thoughts or ideas or surprises. Okay. And that’s where, like in that stillness, that’s where we can start accessing that instantaneous change in healing?

ELIAS: Yes.

JULIE: Yeah. Okay. And that’s where we might start having flashes of other-dimensional awareness or…?

ELIAS: Yes, you can.

JULIE: Okay. All right. Well that’s how I’ve understood it, but it’s hard to describe.

ELIAS: I very much understand.

JULIE: And it’s also not necessary—

ELIAS: Correct.

JULIE: — to understand it mentally. But I just—

ELIAS: Yes.

JULIE: — want to. (Both laugh).

ELIAS: I would say that the more you connect, the more you will.

JULIE: Yeah. Okay. So one day I was meditating, and I had been thinking about that Seth video where he was talking about how we all have these… You know, we have focuses that were very dark, we might consider dark or shadow focuses or evil or something. I had recently been thinking about that and then so when I meditated, I saw Hitler in my meditation. And he was a man and he was talking and he was standing at a podium or something, and I was really up close to him like either on the stage or in the front row. Is that another focus of mine? Or was I just observing him?

ELIAS: In the front row? Yes. That was a focus of you.

JULIE: A focus of me. And I was probably I guess all on board with him, huh?

ELIAS: Yes.

JULIE: Yeah. The telltale quality was that it was a memory or something, was that he didn’t look like what I, what pictures I’ve seen. He looked like just a man (laughs) that looks like Hitler. (Both laugh)

ELIAS: I very much understand. (Both laugh)

JULIE: Like when someone takes a picture of me, it never looks like me really, is what I think. Or… (laughs).

ELIAS: I understand. (Both laugh)

JULIE: Okay. So that was just interesting. I haven’t had an experience like that. I’ve had these feelings that I was maybe a Nazi soldier or one of the doctors or one of the evil, dastardly ones.

ELIAS: (Laughs) Evil, dastardly.

JULIE: Yeah.

ELIAS: I like that. (Both laugh)

JULIE: Yeah.

ELIAS: It conjures an oily mustache. (Both laugh)

JULIE: Yeah. And so maybe that’s a part of accepting duplicity beliefs?

ELIAS: I would say yes. Definitely helpful.

JULIE: Just not judging, because realizing it feels completely normal to be standing here, listening to Hitler. It just feels like being a human being, is what it feels like. (Both laugh)

ELIAS: I would say that that is actually well done. (Both laugh)

JULIE: Okay. Okay, this is another kind of a curiosity question.

ELIAS: Very well.

JULIE: Reconfiguring energy. So from Lazlo and from Bashar, there’s this idea that I’ve gotten that… Like I’m experiencing this imagery of my reality right now, but the exact same energy that’s going into this, I could have the ability to switch it almost immediately into something different, like a whole, completely different picture imagery or scene or dream or something. Which is what we do with our dreams.

ELIAS: Yes.

JULIE: But we could do it with physical reality. We can, in an instant, change the whole thing. Is that what it means, to reconfigure energy?

ELIAS: Yes.

JULIE: Okay. And we could do it with bits and pieces, or we could do it with the whole screen of reality.

ELIAS: Correct. Correct.

JULIE: Okay. And I’ve just had a couple dreams of doing that, or like daydreaming in a meditation kind of thing, but… And then I think I’ve done it with bits and pieces, but not the full. I think it would take a lot to be able to do it with the full screen.

ELIAS: (Laughs) I understand. (Chuckles)

JULIE: But then again, I think we could be doing that from moment to moment and not realizing it. (Laughs)

ELIAS: Yes. I would agree.

JULIE: Yeah. Yeah, I’ve had that thought too. (Both laugh) Like every moment is its complete universe, with past, present, future—

ELIAS: Yes. Yes.

JULIE: — all space, time, everything. And then the next moment, same energy, different picture. Different—

ELIAS: Correct.

JULIE: — universal reconfiguration. Okay.

ELIAS: Correct.

JULIE: For some reason, when you were talking about reconfiguring energy in the very beginning when I started reading your stuff, I thought that we might reconfigure energy because we had an issue about something, like we didn’t—

ELIAS: No. No. No. No.

JULIE: Okay. So it’s not that. Okay.

ELIAS: Correct.

JULIE: It’s just a power, is what it is, right?

ELIAS: Yes.

JULIE: To consciously do that?

ELIAS: Yes. Yes.

JULIE: And change the picture. Okay. All right. And it’s still all my energy.

ELIAS: (Chuckles) Most definitely.

JULIE: (Laughs) That’s kind of amazing.

ELIAS: (Chuckles) It is, quite.

JULIE: Okay. So I had this idea that I might ask you for homework, and it looks like we just have a minute to go. Knowing my self-awareness and probabilities, if you would recommend a meditation for me to do daily until the next time I talk to you. It probably wouldn’t be the only meditation I do, but for maybe ten or fifteen minutes. Would you give me one?

ELIAS: (Pause) I would say (pause)… I would say work on the experiential sense orientation meditation.

JULIE: Could you repeat that? The experiential what?

ELIAS: Sense orient—

JULIE: Sense?

ELIAS: Orientation. Yes.

JULIE: Senses. Okay.

ELIAS: The sensation orientation and experience of the meditation of being – no this is not necessarily a visualization. This is a sense-oriented meditation, in which you are experiencing yourself in that sense-oriented experience. Do you understand?

JULIE: The one that I described earlier?

ELIAS: Similar, but this is a different type.

Now; this would be placing yourself on a rock, a large, large rock. Not quite a boulder, but a large, large rock, almost at the summit of a very, very tall mountain. Let us say in your country – ah! And what you would be familiar with: your Rocky Mountains. In that, very close to the summit of a very tall aspect of your Rocky Mountains and in that, in the snow.

Now; this rock is very large, not quite a boulder but still very large, but it’s not stable. Therefore it moves.

Now; the action of this meditation is to experience yourself in that environment through all of your senses, and to balance.

JULIE: Okay. (Laughs) Okay.

ELIAS: And to see how well you can achieve that.

JULIE: Okay. All right. Thank you, Elias.

ELIAS: You are tremendously welcome, my dear friend. I express such tremendous love to you and such dear and treasured friendship. Don’t take it personally when the little ones don’t necessarily snuggle and settle with you. (Both laugh)

JULIE: Okay. (Laughs) Thank you.

ELIAS: You’re very welcome.

JULIE: I love you, Elias.

ELIAS: I very much look forward to our next meeting, my dear friend.

JULIE: Me too. Okay. Bye, Elias.

ELIAS: Au revoir.

(Elias departs after 1 hour 5 minutes)

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