Self-Awareness and Expressing Energy in a More Productive Manner
Topics:
“Wasting Time in Loop Thinking”
“Increasing Subjective Awareness Through Living with Animals”
“Self-Awareness and Expressing Energy in a More Productive Manner”
“Grace and Gratitude: That’s What You Are”
“Developing an Awareness of Shielding”
Tuesday, November 18, 2025 (In Person)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Jean (Lyla)
ELIAS: Good morning.
JEAN: Good morning, Elias,
ELIAS: And how should we begin?
JEAN: Well, we‘ve got two hours today again. And of course I've had homework and I'm fretting that I didn't do it right, but I won’t get into… I just want to do… I know everything leads to Rome, so I just want to talk about things and see how maybe it will kind of lead back to…
ELIAS: Very well.
JEAN: The first thing is, do I have a core truth of beauty?
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN: Okay. I was talking to Christoph the other day and he told me he did. I went, “Oh, I think that’s it.”
And then, where is Raymond now? My cat, Raymond.
ELIAS: Around you.
JEAN: Yeah, his energy? (Elias nods) So when you say that, does it mean it's come back to me yet, incorporated into me again?
ELIAS: No. It's around you. But when an animal companion dies, it's a matter of time in which YOU will decide what you want to do. Meaning whether you want to reconfigure that energy, whether you don't want to reconfigure that energy, and that takes time to decide. And in the meantime, that energy simply, figuratively, hovers. It stays near you.
JEAN: Okay. So even if I decide not to reconfigure it, will it always hover around me?
ELIAS: No.
JEAN: Then what will happen?
ELIAS: If you decide not to reconfigure that energy, then you keep it to yourself and it merges into you.
JEAN: Okay. Was I the only creator of Raymond?
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN: Okay. So if I disengaged before Raymond did, where would the energy go, his energy? I mean… You understand what I'm asking?
ELIAS: Yes. That would be the choice of the animal. Therefore, he might have chosen to engage with another human companion, or he might have chosen to die and to stay with your energy, or he may have chosen to remain in physical focus for a brief amount of time and then remain with your energy.
JEAN: So, let's just say I died and was buried or something, and there were still bones present. I mean, would he attach himself back to the body, or…?
ELIAS: No.
JEAN: Okay.
ELIAS: Not necessarily. Generally speaking, not. They don't necessarily remain with the body. They move in other directions. Remember: their main attachment is to your energy. Therefore, they may remain in the area or the environment that you lived in and where you have energy deposits, or they may attach themself to another person.
JEAN: Okay. That's interesting. I know I have so much more to talk about, but that's another time. (Elias chuckles)
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All right. Where do I want to go from here? Let's just go here, kind of fun. You told someone recently, and they shared it with me: “Whenever you engage animal imagery, it reflects your subjective.” And then you said, “When people choose to have animals with them, live with them, it's a choice on the part of the individual to be in a relationship with their own subjective awareness in a more objective way to bring that out. Through interacting with these animals you're interacting with your subjective and bringing it to your awareness.” Can you tell me more about that?
ELIAS: It's easy to see how animals objectively reflect you because you see certain actions that they do or certain personality traits, if you will, that you can connect with yourself objectively. Or many times, if they have something that is a physical manifestation or a physical tendency or propensity to something, you can also fairly easily recognize that in yourself and that the animal is reflecting that. But there are lots of things that animals do that may not be objectively reflecting you and those are the things that you become more aware of you, by becoming more aware of them.
You know your cats. You don't only know their personalities, but you know what they do. You know by looking at them or hearing them what they're doing. You know what they do when they eat. You know what they do when they play. You know what they do when they're not playing. You know their behaviors that are not necessarily objectively reflecting you, but by being very aware of their behaviors, you're also showing yourself different aspects of your own influences of behaviors or inclusions of behaviors from your subjective awareness.
Therefore, let's say that you're sitting in a room and you have two cats in the room with you and they seem to be, for a while, sleeping and you're reading. And then one cat opens one eye and looks at the other cat. The other cat seems to be sleeping, but it's not. And the other cat feels the energy of the cat that's looking at it and you feel the energy that's moving between them. And suddenly the cat that appears to be sleeping jumps up and pounces on the other one. And it seems that that was entirely unnecessary, and that the one that was looking wasn't doing anything. But how does that relate to you and the influences or the interplay with the subjective part of you in relation to your choices?
They're not speaking in language. They're speaking in energy, and they're very attuned to energy between them. That can be related to you in relation to different expressions that other people might do that seem like they're not necessarily doing anything significant to you, but that irritates you or that triggers you in some manner because you know this individual and you know. You know when they’re being passive-aggressive. So, in a manner speaking, it's the same type of action. If this person is being passive-aggressive and doesn't seem as if objectively they're doing anything to bother you, but they are and you react, and you express in some snappy manner to the other individual and the other individual also is prepared for that snap, because they know what they're doing. You know what they're doing also.
That's that interplay of the objective and the subjective, and how the subjective is interplaying with your choice to react, just as the cat is reacting to the other cat, which is being passive-aggressive. It's a very similar action. You react in a very similar manner because now you’re pouncing on someone else, in your reaction.
This is an example of how you can learn about your subjective interplay by watching your animals. And if you don't have more than one, then it's a matter of how they interact with you, which even with more than one, you can learn from how they interact with you also. Therefore you can seem, in your perception in a moment, to be doing nothing. You're minding your own business, as you say, and suddenly one of your cats attacks your foot and it seems to be doing that for no reason, although it's not doing it for no reason.
And if you are pausing and paying attention to what you were doing in the moment before that happened, you might have been tapping your foot that you weren't even paying attention to or even aware of, or you may have been not tapping your foot but you may have for some reason or another been frustrated or irritated by something. It might be something that you're reading, it might be something that you're listening to that simply for a moment, you became irritated or frustrated with and all of a sudden, the cat has attacked your foot. And then you're reacting to that, because if the cat had attacked your foot and you were completely calm – which it wouldn't attack your foot if you were completely calm – but hypothetically, let's say if you were completely calm, you would likely respond rather than react. But when the cat attacks your foot, you're going to react and you're likely going to yell and pull your foot away quickly. You're going to have a calmer response if something wasn't already irritating or frustrating you. In this, simply paying attention to the cat's behavior in that moment and then pausing and asking yourself, “What was I doing in the moment before that happened?”
JEAN: So, let’s get back to the scenario with the first two cats that were interplaying. Were they reacting to my energy? The one that opened its eye?
ELIAS: Not necessarily.
JEAN: Okay.
ELIAS: No.
JEAN: Okay. All right.
ELIAS: They can be simply playing off each other.
JEAN: Okay. Okay. Because Raymond and Simba, they used to get… One would lick the other, and then it would turn into this fight. And why was that? Then they hit each other. What was that all about? It started out as like a brotherly love, and I know you and love you and let me groom you and –
ELIAS: Or so you think.
JEAN: Oh. So what's going on?
ELIAS: That depends on what you were doing in the moment.
JEAN: So I was influencing what they…?
ELIAS: You were influencing how they turned it.
JEAN: Really! So they could have just been calmly grooming each other and then I did something that turned it, and it turned into a fight?
ELIAS: (Nods) Or you may not have done anything. You may simply be expressing a certain type of energy. You may have been, in your terms, wound up.
JEAN: But I thought you just told me, the one that, back in the scenario where one just opens its eye, that it may not have anything to do with me.
ELIAS: Correct. And in the beginning, when the two are, as you said, grooming each other, that has nothing to do with you either. But when it turns—
JEAN: So getting back to the first scenario, if I wasn't there and one opened its eye, one may not have attacked the other.
ELIAS: Correct.
JEAN: Oh, shit. All right, I’ve got to think about that, Elias. This is… I'm beginning to see the power of energy now.
ELIAS: But this is the point, is that this is happening so that you can see it.
JEAN: Wow.
ELIAS: If you can't see something, then how can you be aware of it?
JEAN: Right.
ELIAS: Therefore, that's what I was expressing in relation to the animals are giving you examples. They're showing you what your subjective interplay is with your objective.
JEAN: Wow. Wow. And if somebody is coming in and projecting that passive-aggressiveness and you catch it, it makes a difference whether you respond or react.
ELIAS: Absolutely. Yes.
JEAN: Because then you’re either perpetuating or not perpetuating.
ELIAS: Correct. Correct.
JEAN: Okay. All right. Well, let me ask you something else. I used to study, I loved studying classical homeopathy. And there is always this theory, and I'm going to say not just theory, because it played out – I don't know if it's belief systems or not – that say, if you're addressing to a person or an animal with emotional issues, say they have separation anxiety in animals, so nothing else seems to be wrong so you give a remedy based on what they were showing. Then if it's working and proceeding correctly, you then will address to a next layer, just like my paintings, you do the layers. (See Note 1) So that say, then the dog’s not, doesn't have separation anxiety, but it's limping. There’s something's wrong with the leg. Then you'll address to that with a remedy. And then the last thing, which is what you want to see in homeopathy, is a skin manifestation. Because in theory, the disease is moving from a deep-seated interior to the exterior. Is there any validity in that?
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN: And could it be correlated back to what you were saying about the gut health? As you resolve these emotional, mental issues, then you're still projecting these energy balls but the manifestation isn't as severe, you said, because there's an intensity that correlates with the…
ELIAS: (Nods)Yes.
JEAN: Because what I'm thinking, that man, I have been working with this, what you were telling me, my homework and stuff, and I've been festering fever blisters trying to come out. And then I broke, I've been trying to break with the cold. And now I’ve got… I had one fever blister a couple of weeks ago, and I've been managing it with lysine and stuff but now I've got two huge ones, even above my lip, that’s on the whole right side, from my nostril down. So I'm wondering, is that the same? I mean, why am I…? I'm creating this and I'm creating it in the moment, and I’m not understanding. I want to get into the what am I doing to create skin manifestations?
ELIAS: And what is your assessment?
JEAN: Well I was wondering if it's related to the same thing, working through these layers. One thing I've noticed is that just what you and I have done already, and me having such an understanding, and getting back to when I was a child with the spina bifida – it's just a knowing of that is just such a relief. And so I'm wondering if I'm just… Oh, what I've noticed is I'm not eating as much. Also, I don't have this compulsion to eat as often and as much. So I see it like in homeopathy, there's another layer that's improved. But I think there's a correlation between the work I'm doing –
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN: --and this.
ELIAS: Yes. I would agree.
JEAN: So yes, I'm stuck. I'm stuck in…
ELIAS: No, you're not stuck.
JEAN: Oh, okay.
ELIAS: You have evaluated it correctly.
JEAN: Okay.
ELIAS: Yes. It's very similar to when I express to people that if they are engaging issue or trauma work, that after they do a particular session with myself, that it's very likely that they will return home and many things will irritate them.
ELIAS: They'll be angry—
JEAN: (Whispers) Oh, I’ve had that.
ELIAS: — a lot of the time.
JEAN: I went home after one and smashed flowerpots, Elias.
ELIAS: That's not unusual.
JEAN: I just went out and started smashing them all. And I'm like, “Where's this coming from?”
ELIAS: Anger.
JEAN: Anger? It was anger?
ELIAS: Yes. And what I would say to you is that this is very similar. You don't only respond to working through all of these things with emotional expressions. You also create physical manifestations, physical expressions, and they do move from inside out.
JEAN: That's amazing. So…
ELIAS: Therefore, a person could develop a rash or some other physical manifestation. Some individuals can generate expressions with irritation of nerves that will display themselves physically outwardly.
JEAN: And then in homeopathy, there was a big thing of never suppress a skin eruption, never suppress. So if I've got these fever blisters coming, if I do things like cover them up or take lysine or do anything else, should I not do that? Should I let the body express it and just let them, quote-unquote, “run its course”? Do you see what I'm asking?
ELIAS: Yes, I am.
JEAN: Especially that. And then you put that side by side, “but you're creating it in the moment.” Or is that different, because now I'm releasing energy?
ELIAS: You are releasing energy but you're also making a choice, hour by hour. Therefore covering up, no, that's not a good idea. If you are using some type of remedy, that's not bad. But if you are using something that is covering it up, yes, that's not good,
JEAN: Okay. So if you use something like acyclovir or an anti-viral, is that suppressing?
ELIAS: No.
JEAN: Covering up?
ELIAS: No.
JEAN: Okay.
ELIAS: No.
JEAN: All right. And so—
ELIAS: That’s addressing to.
JEAN: That's addressing to. And so… Okay, this will all come together.
Let me ask something else. So when we started talking about how thinkers, or let's say people that are more self-aware, throw energy into your body consciousness, what we were talking about, and you were saying, “Energy is meant to be expressed outwards,” and you said, “Whatever you're feeling emotionally, you're also feeling physically, and when you are less self-aware, you're pushing it out.”
So that seems to be two contradictory things. Because then I'm going to throw in something else, is when in working with myself and not putting the energy in… Is it a matter of when you're addressing the physical manifestations, if we're in the habit of doing that, is it a matter of learning how to redirect the energy outward into a safe…? Or is it a matter of understanding what's causing it in the first place, or both?
ELIAS: Both.
JEAN: Both. So how do I…? I guess, because you said, “The subjective awareness typically will take over and do what it normally does, which is maintain the body consciousness.” So what's the next step in intentionally redirecting the energy, so that it’s not in the direction of judgment or blame or whatever? You know, that's how we were – an un-self-aware person does. So does my question makes sense now?
ELIAS: You're asking how you redirect?
JEAN: So I'm not doing it into my body. As you said it's a matter of, “And when you are less self-aware, you're pushing it out,” but you also said “Energy is meant to be expressed outward.”
ELIAS: Correct.
JEAN: Okay, I'm not… I'm missing something.
ELIAS: Therefore in a manner of speaking, with most individuals, when you're less self-aware, you react automatically, which projects energy out. The more self-aware you become, for a time most people have a tendency to hold on to energy because they don't want to express that in relation to anyone or anything else. They don't want to be affecting of something else; therefore they hold it in. Therefore they're not allowing themself to express it outwardly.
Now; the person that is less self-aware is going to react, and that's not necessarily the most efficient manner to be expressing that energy outwardly. The more self-aware you are, the more you tend to want to be intentionally directing that energy outward, but not to be expressing it in a harmful manner to anything else. Therefore it's a matter of not reacting, but not holding either.
Therefore in that, you're catching yourself before you react, and then evaluating: “What are my choices? I already know what I don't want to do. I don't have to evaluate that anymore. Therefore, what are my choices? What do I see as my choices?” And the more self-aware you are, the more you can see what your choices are in the moment. And therefore the first step is catching yourself before you react, knowing that a certain expression is a reaction and stopping yourself from doing that. And once you do that, you will give yourself other choices in how to express that energy in a more productive manner.
JEAN: And that gets into a sound and an action?
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN: Okay.
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN: So it could be anything, like turning on a YouTube, Instagram, and laughing at something. I think you've talked about this before—
ELIAS: Yes. Yes.
JEAN: — expressing the opposite. Or going outside and walking around, and let the elementals interact with you.
ELIAS: Correct.
JEAN: So all of those different things will release the energy?
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN: Okay. Let me see what time we have here.
All right. I guess I'll go here. I'm going to say… I'm just going to read you what I wrote down.
ELIAS: Very well.
JEAN: And I’m going to cry.
ELIAS: (Chuckles) And you have face wipes.
JEAN: I know. (Reading) “Sometimes now I can feel so deeply – and the only term I could come up with is feeling grace – that I feel like I'm engaging or involving something much greater than myself. It's almost like stepping into that true definition of love, that knowing and that appreciation. It stirs something so deeply within my chest, it almost hurts. It's like this momentary seismic shift occurring inside of me.”
And I don't know if that's more the “opening the door” that you were talking of before? Because it's the most beautiful, exquisite…
ELIAS: That's you.
JEAN: And let me ask you, is grace the correct definition?
ELIAS: Grace and gratitude.
JEAN: Gratitude. So are these feelings or a state of being?
ELIAS: Actually, they're both. And in that, I'd say that both of them are expressions and states of being that are not entirely familiar to most of you, and therefore initially they're somewhat difficult to hold. They're difficult to maintain, but eventually they can become an ongoing state of being. Quite amazing, isn't it, that that's you? That's what you are.
JEAN: And that’s… you're talking with all people? (Elias nods) It's something I can almost, almost, bring back by will.
ELIAS: Yes. You should be able to.
JEAN: I'm shifting something that I don't know what I'm doing. But I know… I don't know if it is something, like, between my eyes, or something I can, if I can click into it. It's almost like when you come into Mary, it's just a click.
ELIAS: Yes. Yes. And that's you snapping into you, which is quite wondrous. I definitely mean it when I express to any of you that you are glorious beings. You might not believe it, but you are. (Pause)
JEAN: I don't think I could have stepped into this without the trauma work. There was such a need to maintain a shield.
ELIAS: Definitely.
JEAN: And then, you know, it just blows my mind that we've been doing this for thousands and thousands and thousands of years, the separation. You know, the blame, the judgment, all the physical manifestations. And you're showing us how to step into something else. What would you say to those…? Because people have told this to me, and sometimes I feel it. It is like it's sad that this was designed somehow, the separation. And getting back to, “Let’s blame the Dream Walkers,” it's so sad that people had such difficult lives and experienced this. It almost seems like okay, it's unfair. It's unfair to people in the past that didn't have this information, and it's cruel. I think someone told me it's just cruel.
ELIAS: That's one perception, but it's also only one perception. And I'd say that it's a matter of remembering that your lives are all about choices and what you do with them. The most cruel individuals are yourselves to yourselves. But then again, your desire brings you out of that. Therefore, I'd say that there are many other perceptions other than the one that expresses that all of this is cruel. I'd say that that is a perception of a victim. But the more empowered an individual is, the more they don't see life and experiences as being cruel but as being choices, and that those choices lead you in different directions.
JEAN: Wow. And then, in the concept of simultaneous time, for people that are on the path of self-awareness, is that affecting the past? People in the past, your other focuses?
ELIAS: Is it affecting other focuses? No. Does it affect you and your past? Yes. But no, each focus incorporates its own independence and, in a manner of speaking, autonomy. Which is the reason that in the beginning of this focus, in interacting with any other focus, in the beginning of this focus, in becoming aware of other focuses, it is tremendously important and what I have expressed from the onset, not to interfere. You could, but it's very intrusive because each focus is its own expression. And I'm quite certain you wouldn't want another focus meddling with you. Therefore no, you don't affect your other focuses with the choices that you make, but you do affect yourself and your own past.
JEAN: Just… And when you say “affect your own past,” just by changing your perception of the past?
ELIAS: Yes. That changes it.
JEAN: What do you mean, “It changes it?” Does it physically?
ELIAS: Yes, it physically changes it.
JEAN: So the little girl that was experiencing so many things, how does that physically change with my awareness?
ELIAS: Because the more you let go of being a victim, the more that little girl is empowered.
[The timer for the end of the first part of the session rings]
JEAN: Then if she makes different choices, does that affect my life right now?
ELIAS: You’re thinking in relation to sequences, and that's not how reality functions.
JEAN: Okay, well we'll leave it at that for now. Thank you, Elias.
ELIAS: You're very welcome.
JEAN: And I’ll see you in a bit.
ELIAS: Very well.
[Break occurs]
ELIAS: Continuing.
JEAN: All right, Elias. I have replayed my audios over and over and over again. I've read transcripts. And I really… I guess we need to talk about this thing: “If you can see how you moved in the direction with the physical manifestations of injury or illness, anything that creates an expression of you being infirmed, because then you don't have to take responsibility for any of the emotional expressions. Because you're hurt or you're ill, you can't be expected to be dealing with emotional expressions. If you can look back and you can see the experiences of how that began to change and how it insulates you.”
So let me go back to this: “So then you don't have to take responsibility for any of the emotional expressions.” Is that meaning, say, some of these horrible things I witnessed as a child and stuff, and I had these emotional expressions – which my parents did not like, emotional expressions, so you had to hide, or swallow them, or whatever? At that point as a child, you don't have the awareness that you're responsible for your own emotions. So is that what you're talking about? So if you're in that mindset as a child, then you naturally want to blame others? Or blame outside circumstances? Is that what you mean, not taking responsibility for your emotional expressions?
ELIAS: Not entirely, because that can move in both directions. But yes, blame. It doesn't matter whether it's blaming yourself or blaming something else or someone else.
JEAN: (Sighs) I think what I came up with in all of this… Well as you said first, “How the emotional infirmity, so to speak, developed to such a fever pitch that you couldn't do it any longer, and seeing the progression of that, seeing your progression and creating and developing emotional entanglements, in a manner of speaking, that were overwhelming to you, and how that moved you in the directions of being a victim to the point that it's this person's fault, it's that person's fault, and continuing in that direction until you couldn't move in that direction any longer. And then you began to create physical manifestations.”
Then you said, “When you see that, because you can now see how you were doing it, day by day, hour by hour, and how that insulated you, how it shielded you from all the outside things that are affecting you, that it's their fault, that if they weren't doing all of this, you wouldn't be broken.”
I don't know, Elias. I don't know where to start. The big thing that I came up with, what happened from the change from the emotional to the physical, was so many big things happening at one time, like losing a house, losing a car, losing the houses, losing possessions, that I replaced grieving with blame? That if I blamed, I wouldn't have to feel this soul-deadening, crushing grief?
ELIAS: (Pause) What happens is, first you move in the direction of the outward blame, but that creates an avenue in which you either or both, move in a direction of being angry or blaming and sad, or both. Then you move in a direction of turning that and blaming yourself. And blaming yourself then becomes so difficult, because then you're in a constant state of anxiety and grief and sadness that you move in a direction of turning that off. And when you turn that off, then you create the physical manifestations.
Now; when I say turn it off, I don't mean that you turn it off and then it's off. What is meant by that is that you turn it off for a while, and then you create some physical manifestation instead and then you turn it back on again, and you're devastated and blaming yourself and sad and grieving, and that becomes too difficult, and depression. And then you turn that off and then you create a physical manifestation. This energy has to be expressed. And as long as you keep holding it, you're going to have to do something with it, either grieving and sad and being depressed, or creating a physical manifestation, because you don't have a healthy outlet. You don't know how to express that energy in a healthy capacity. Therefore you keep moving in these loops of back and forth between the emotional expression and the physical expression.
Eventually, you do what you're doing now, and you begin looking at that and evaluating it. Looking at your experiences, and not simply looking at it from the perspective of the surface: “I was sad because I lost this and this and this,” but moving in a different direction and looking at the choices that were being made and that kept being made – not to move in a direction of blaming yourself, but looking at the choices that you were making in order that you can see what you did that put you in certain situations, that kept you in a position of being a victim, so that you can move out of that and you can move into healthy choices and not making choices from the perspective of being a victim. And therefore, learning how to move in intentional directions that are productive and that are good for you, and that allow you to express yourself genuinely, not in what's expected of you, but what you genuinely value, what is genuinely important to you, and allowing yourself to be you genuinely.
That's the difference between the cruelty and the empowerment. The perception of the cruelty is the perception of the victim. The perception that lacks blame is the perception of empowerment.
JEAN: Wow.
ELIAS: And that's what you're moving into now.
JEAN: Let me ask you a couple of things that kind of intrigued me. So when we were talking about when I developed the spina bifida in utero, was I already pro…? What kind of…? And I was born, and my parents, because of their perception at the time – and maybe my siblings, their perception at the time – they were responding to my energy having the spina bifida? (Elias nods) What energy is that? What…? I don't understand. Is it an energy that “I'm broken,” or “Please don't hurt me,” or…?
ELIAS: All of the above.
JEAN: And would other people have picked up on it and created and been…? Could other people have picked up and done compassion instead of –
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN: – what I…? I was just in an environment where everybody was angry and upset and stuff. And then is that energy… Still, do I still project that? In other words, the way that my school teachers treated me and other children? Because you told me once children, other children represent… other children that are traumatized, and they either ignore them or they'll bully them. So was that what they were picking up on, that as well?
ELIAS: (Nods) Yes. Because you're projecting an energy from a very young age of being a victim, and that's all you've known.
JEAN: But creating the spina bifida, then is that a victim energy? Because I was having the reason… (Elias nods) So I was projecting that in utero, that energy?
ELIAS: And that is something that is not unusual, because infants are being affected by their parents and their family before they're even born. And they're already taking in the actions, the expressions, the energy of the people around them, but especially their mother. But not only their mother, everyone around them, everyone that comes in contact with their mother. And that's how they begin their life, and that's why this has been so familiar to you and automatic, because you've never known anything else – until now.
JEAN: So up until now, I was still… I'm still projecting that… I was still projecting that energy? (Elias nods) Up until now, the spina bifida energy. That's amazing. And that explains so much, and it explains to, you know, the people that you're attracted to in your life as well.
ELIAS: Absolutely. Absolutely. As I've said previously, you physically, chemically project not only an energy, but you actually project chemicals into the air to attract other individuals that match you. And let me say to you also, that when I say match you, that doesn't necessarily mean that they're going to have the identical same behavior as you do, but that they are matching you in energy and experience. The imagery of the experience may be different, but the experience of abuse, of being a victim, of moving in those directions, that's going to be the same. The underlying parts of it are the same. And in that, you learn different behaviors that keep you shielded.
JEAN: And use me as an example here.
ELIAS: An individual that is not a victim doesn't need to shield. A child that is a victim needs to shield.
JEAN: And what do you mean by shield? What type of behaviors?
ELIAS: Trying to be invisible, shrinking, overachieving, or expressing something that gives you value.
JEAN: Or over… What's the word…? Over giving, overcompensating, giving too much?
ELIAS: Yes. Yes.
JEAN: You might like me, or I'll be protected if I keep giving and giving and giving.
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN: Wow, that's wild. That's wild. And then say you're… Like you and I are addressing, I'm addressing to myself. How does that affect people that have not addressed to their trauma and won’t, versus people that want to address to their trauma, and are working at it? In other words, would what I'm projecting now, would that energy be picked up by my sister, who's not going to change, as a particular type of energy of almost…? How would she pick up on that energy? Is it threatening?
ELIAS: No.
JEAN: Okay.
ELIAS: No. I'd say that that energy is your ripple, and that extends to everyone in the same manner and it's encouraging.
Now; how the other individuals choose to use it, it might encourage them to keep shielding, because that's what they know.
JEAN: So it's a threatening energy somehow?
ELIAS: No, it’s not. It’s not at all.
JEAN: Why would they keep shielding?
ELIAS: Because that's what they know. They're not shielding against the energy that you're projecting. They're simply using that energy as an encouragement. And if all they know is to be a victim or to shield, then that's what they're going to be encouraged to do.
JEAN: Wow. So that's the whole idea that you can project an energy, but it's up to them what they do with that energy.
ELIAS: Absolutely.
JEAN: So it may even make it worse for some people, not that I'm responsible for it.
ELIAS: And that's… that is a judgment that comes from your own perception, because the other individual may not see it as, or perceive it as being worse.
Let me say to you that – and this is something that you can think about in relation to yourself throughout your life – when people are expressing themselves in that energy of being a victim, they don't necessarily know that they're being a victim, and they learn how to use that to acquire what they want or what they think they need.
JEAN: Can you give an example?
ELIAS: People learn, in the energy of and behavior of being a victim, to use that for let us say (pause) money. They learn how to engage with other individuals to invoke feelings of feeling sorry for them and they know what they're doing.
JEAN: Would you say my next older sister does that? Did that a lot?
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN: A lot. Yeah.
ELIAS: I just would say that you've done it at times in your life.
JEAN: Yes, I can see that.
ELIAS: And it may not necessarily be money. It can be anything, but it's whatever the individual perceives they need or they want. Then they will use what they've learned in being a victim to express certain behaviors, to elicit certain behaviors from other people to get what they need or what they want. That's how they use their ability to be a victim to their advantage. Because they don't know any other avenue or any other direction that they can employ and they don't perceive that they are capable of providing for themselves.
JEAN: Does my husband have this inherent victim energy from being a child?
ELIAS: Oh yes.
JEAN: Big time. Okay.
ELIAS: Oh yes. Yes.
JEAN: And that's something you'll address to with him.
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN: Okay.
ELIAS: And at this point, he may be a little tougher nut to crack (chuckles) because he doesn't see that yet. And he's (pause) quite insulated.
JEAN: Right. Right. But it's something, if he'll work through it, you can get through to him.
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN: Okay.
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN: Yeah. Wow, Elias.
There’s something else. This is inspired by Christoph, when you were talking about how children, and you addressed to part of it, how children, how… Where did I write this down? Of course, I wrote something down. I'm just going to have to remember it. (Elias chuckles) But how children, they're born a certain way and what is it? They don't know how to… Um…
Okay, here we go. When you're little, your choosing mechanism is squashed. In fact, your whole self is squashed at a very young age because of emulation. Quote: “You don't already know what to do or how to be, because you don't bring that with you when you manifest.” End quote.
So I guess I wanted to know, were there other examples of me trying to emulate – in other words, trying to move out, who I was genuinely in my household – that affected my choosing mechanism? You understand the question? Because you said your choosing mechanism is squashed as an infant. So what else influenced my choosing mechanism, other than… Or is that the big one, the victim energy?
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN: That's the big one. (Elias nods) Well, how do you…? I don't understand it. It affects your choosing mechanism. How did that…? Well, I chose to overachieve.
ELIAS: (Nods) That’s one avenue, yes.
JEAN: And then what else did I choose that was not my genuine self, but it was due to the environment?
ELIAS: I'd say that those are obvious. What would you say? We’ve—
JEAN: Well, being a victim. Yeah.
ELIAS: We've discussed them previously. Therefore, what would you say? What did you do?
JEAN: Over-intellectualized things.
ELIAS: That's another one, yes.
JEAN: Okay.
ELIAS: But then how did you present yourself to your mother?
JEAN: (Whispers) How did I present myself to my mother? Well, in a hiding capacity –
ELIAS: Correct.
JEAN: — and being very submissive.
ELIAS: Correct.
JEAN: Because she could explode at any moment. Okay. Okay.
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN: And then you were also talking to Christoph, and you were talking how his natural expression isn't necessarily to crack jokes and that sort of thing. His natural expression is to be open and vulnerable. Is there something that I am still doing as an adult right now that really isn't my natural expression, that would sort of parallel what you were talking to him about?
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN: What do I do?
ELIAS: You over-intellectualize.
JEAN: Yeah.
ELIAS: You do that very consistently. And it doesn't matter what the subject is, you can intellectualize anything.
JEAN: And will you explain what that is exactly? In case I'm not getting it.
ELIAS: Pick a subject.
JEAN: Healing.
ELIAS: Healing. Then you will read everything you can possibly read. You will ask the most intellectual questions you can possibly ask. You will move in the most intellectual direction that you can possibly move in. You're going to pay attention to all of the functions in a particular body, whether it's human or animal, and all of the parts, all of the organs, all of the bones, and be able to (Jean laughs) identify every single part of that being, and in that, all of the things that are required to heal it.
JEAN: Wow.
ELIAS: That's the reason that you've had so much difficulty believing and accepting that your painting can be doing anything.
JEAN: Exactly.
ELIAS: Because you can't intellectualize that.
JEAN: Exactly. Exactly.
ELIAS: But that's something that you do automatically and very frequently.
JEAN: Okay. And then…
ELIAS: Another thing you do is, “I can't.” That's a big one with you: “I can't do this.” “I can't do that.” There's always a prerequisite to whatever you can do. And if the prerequisite is not something that is at your fingertips, then you can't. (Both chuckle)
JEAN: And when we started this round two of the trauma work… We did the animals last year. And round two started after my visit with the Dental Board, and I went into a, you know, huge panic attack and stuff like that. And you were saying I was having the belief: I've done all this work with you, why, why am I not making progress? And you were talking about this tremendous anvil that I have on me. Have we addressed to the anvil at this point? Or is there something else I need to…?
ELIAS: We ARE addressing to it.
JEAN: We are addressing to it.
ELIAS: Yes. That is the shielding and the victim, and we are addressing to that.
JEAN: We are.
ELIAS: We're looking at that. You're exploring that. You're becoming more and more aware of that, in many different capacities, and beginning to look at your behaviors.
JEAN: Mm-hm. So what's the next step, for me?
ELIAS: Mm, I'd say it's to stay with this step.
JEAN: Okay.
ELIAS: That what we've been discussing this day and this piece about your behaviors that are affecting you still considerably, and that piece of behavior of over-intellectualizing, that's big. That's a big piece. That is a huge shield.
JEAN: Will you explain that? What am I shielding? What am I…? I’m keeping people…
ELIAS: Anything and everything. You keep people at arm's length, by creating this shield around you and especially in the intellectualizing. You put yourself in a position in which… Are you ready?
JEAN: Oh, absolutely.
ELIAS: Very well.
JEAN: Yeah.
ELIAS: Very well. You put yourself in a position in which if you intellectualize strongly enough, you can be in a position in which you're above everyone else and they can't reach you, because they can't understand you. And therefore that is a tremendous shield.
JEAN: And what's my payoff for that? People can't hurt me?
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN: They can't hurt me if… Oh god, Elias.
ELIAS: You don't have to be vulnerable. You don't make a genuine connection. And if you don't make a genuine connection, then you can't be hurt. You can't be used, you can't be hurt, you can't be influenced. You can't be anything, because you've built this tremendous shield all around you, and no one can reach you.
And you can pay attention to that behavior and begin noticing it, because whenever you become uncomfortable, even before you feel it you'll start speaking in a manner that is very intellectual. And there is your shield going directly up.
JEAN: That’s amazing.
ELIAS: And that's before you even feel uncomfortable. You don't give yourself an opportunity to feel uncomfortable. That's so automatic, that it doesn't matter. If something or someone is becoming too close, up goes that shield.
JEAN: Well, doing that protected me as a child.
ELIAS: (Nods) And it's become so ultra-familiar to you throughout your life that it's automatic. You don't even know what it is to feel that connection with another individual, to have that camaraderie with another individual, but you don't want them to go away.
You won't let yourself actually connect with them, but you want them to remain around you and people generally won't. If they're not receiving that connection, and if you're not receiving the connection that they're expressing, they won't remain. They will eventually move away. Unless they are as dysfunctional as you’re being, which would be your husband. He stays and stays and stays, and the reason he stays is fear. He's afraid of anything else. You're the constant that he knows. That's why it's so very important that you aren't continuing to express the behaviors that he's so familiar with.
JEAN: Okay. Okay.
ELIAS: Just as you taking a step, in relation to the insurance. Yes, that terrified him but those are the types of actions, and more than that, that will actually ultimately be helpful to him because he's not accustomed to feeling those things. His shields are just as strong as yours, and in that, he doesn't have to feel anything. He doesn't necessarily want to feel anything, but for the same reason: he doesn't know what's on the other side. You don't either. You don't know what it is to genuinely connect with another individual and feel that closeness.
JEAN: Can I do it with animals? I've been able to do it with animals?
ELIAS: Yes, yes.
JEAN: So what is that?
ELIAS: But even that is not complete. You have a stop point that you won't let yourself move past.
JEAN: I'm going to be hurt, eventually.
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN: You're going to die.
ELIAS: Or you're going to lose something, yes. You're going to have to feel things that you don't want to feel. And you haven't actually mastered the disassociation piece throughout your life that absolutely turns off feelings. Therefore, you create behaviors to prevent yourself from having those feelings and that shield is one of them.
JEAN: Hm. What's another?
ELIAS: (Pause) Distraction.
JEAN: Meaning what?
ELIAS: Distraction can be a useful tool but it can also be something that is destructive, that keeps you from connecting. That if something is going to be invoking feelings that you don't want to experience, then you'll distract yourself with something intellectual, or you'll distract yourself with some type of physical movement. You've done it for years with exercise. And in that, you are very good at distracting yourself. You've explored that quite a bit.
JEAN: Yes, I have. Oh my god, Elias. This is another thing where… You know, I'm counting on a lot of this to be processed subjectively.
ELIAS: (Whispers) But they move together.
JEAN: Yeah.
ELIAS: Remember: all feelings, physical or emotional, are generated by the body, which is directed by the subjective awareness. And in this present time framework, in a manner of speaking, you're channeling all those feelings that are emotional feelings into physical feelings. Because for you, physical feelings are easier to deal with and sometimes easier to ignore. But you're making them worse and worse because you're pushing down –
JEAN: So how do…? What's my next step in not doing that?
ELIAS: Everything you're doing now. All the things we've been talking about. And that's the reason I'm not giving you a next step, because you're still processing in this step and that's important. That IS the next step, is –
JEAN: I don't want to skip shells.
ELIAS: – to continue to process and understand these behaviors. The behaviors that I've identified to you today, you know about, you've seen, you've been, to a degree, aware of doing. But you weren't making the connection about how that is how you shield. You weren't, in a manner of speaking, connecting those dots together to create a picture.
JEAN: Okay. So there's more of a coherent picture.
ELIAS: Now.
JEAN: Now.
ELIAS: Yes.
(Audio ends after 1 hour 28 minutes)
NOTE 1: Jean’s art, when placed in front of animals, has the ability heal them, although it may take several sequential pieces of art to do so.
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