Pulsations of Consciousness
Topics:
“Pulsations of Consciousness”
“Pain and Pleasure”
“Healing Naturally”
“Heightening Awareness of Feelings”
“Trust”
Monday, November 10, 2025 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Julie (Fontine)
(Audio begins partway through session)
“The more you are developing an awareness and heightening your awareness of feelings, the more you can be directing of the body intentionally in relation to that.”
JULIE: Maybe a couple of topics of interest, and we’ll just see how far we get today. So—
ELIAS: Very well.
JULIE: I’d like to start out with the pulsations of consciousness, that I’ve been feeling them off and on for a long time and I also… I don’t know if this is like an inner sense of feeling, but I also hear them and see them occasionally. Usually that’s in the middle of the night when I’m waking up from sleep or something. And I’ve recently joined a meditation group myself. This is me joining one instead of me leading one, which I’m still doing that too. But this one that I joined, they are exploring these pulsations from kind of a religious standpoint. It’s called Spanda, and one of the traditions, and they say that it’s energy and they pay attention to them purposefully and even use them to… Well, I don’t want to… I’m not quite sure exactly what they’re doing here, but I’m curious about these pulsations.
I’d like to know first, when I feel, I feel like vibrational feelings in my body. I believe that maybe it’s a faster pulsation of the same thing. Is that correct?
ELIAS: Yes.
JULIE: Okay. Because these vibrations kind of sweep through the body in waves, but they’re very fast or that’s how I sense them. And the pulsations are more like a stronger beat but slower.
ELIAS: Correct.
JULIE: Okay. And I remember you saying that… Well, I remember my experience of the physical expression of essence, where it was a very slow beat that contained everything, but I’ve only experienced that one time. And the pulsations in the body that are a slower beat, is that…? (Sighs) I don’t exactly know how to say it, but I’m thinking that it contains more of the expression of essence?
ELIAS: Yes, I would agree.
JULIE: Okay. And then there’s a third thing that I want to see if I can link towards this. When I was in a psychedelic trip one time, I experienced these pulsations as my… It was when I was having intense hip pain, and during the psychedelic experience, I had been asking to have some understanding and resolution of this hip pain. And so during the experience the pain came on very intensely and then it started pulsing, and then it started… I started feeling that same sensation in my hip as ecstasy rather than pain. And then it would kind of go back and forth, from pain to ecstasy. You know, like well this is the same thing. Do you have a comment about that?
ELIAS: I’d say that that is a tremendous experience that you’ve given yourself because there is a fine line between pain and pleasure.
JULIE: (Laughs) Yeah.
ELIAS: It can be, it’s actually (pause) defined by how you define pain. And in that, it can be considerably fascinating in relation to how you can experience the same thing in different capacities. And in that, begin to recognize that how you’re experiencing something is actually very colored by your perception of previous experiences. And in addition to previous experiences, simply what you’ve been taught that you should be experiencing in relation to something.
Such as you may not have ever experienced a severe wound such as a severe cut, but even without experiencing it you have information from all types of sources that if you have that type of experience, that it will be very painful. And that influences your perception about what you experience. Therefore it’s fascinating to give yourself an experience that moves back and forth between that ecstasy and pain in the same area, and therefore being able to see that it’s not as black and white as you think it is.
JULIE: Yeah. And so a second psychedelic experience several years later, maybe five years later from that first one, also involved the pulsations of consciousness but this time, in this experience, I had… I’ll even tell you more of the experience I guess, before that part. I had wanted to address to some of my feelings of just feeling limited and like I don’t have a lot of choices. And I had wanted more… you know, just more freedom and joy in my life. That was my intent going in. And so I went into the experience and I had told myself, “I’m going to surrender to whatever happens, accept it. I’m not going to try to change anything this time, and just pay attention to what’s going on and accept it.”
And so when I experienced myself feeling very limited, like closed in a little box and it felt like others were doing this to me, victim stuff, and at first I really didn’t like it but then I remembered, “Okay, I said I was going to surrender and so here I go. I’m surrendering to this feeling.” And I did, and it at first felt yucky like it already was but then it changed into something else. And it began changing into feelings of ecstasy again and this time it was a much stronger trip because I had taken a higher dose, too. It was a stronger trip but I experienced my whole body doing the same pulsation all at once. My whole body is blinking on and off. I called it the ecstasy of living and dying because it felt like I was disappearing and then reappearing and disappearing and reappearing, but more than that. My body, my whole body was feeling kind of ecstatic, orgasmic kind of feeling when that was happening. So that’s the same pulsation, right?
ELIAS: Yes. Yes.
JULIE: And it is, it is actually being born and dying, right? (Laughs)
ELIAS: In a manner—
JULIE: Metaphorically.
ELIAS: — of speaking, yes.
JULIE: Yes.
ELIAS: Yes.
JULIE: Because I was going into non-physical during that trip, I suppose. Physical and then non-physical, back and forth, right?
ELIAS: Yes.
JULIE: Yeah. Okay. So my… I guess any further questions… So all of that is related, like that whole full-body orgasm experience that they talk about with tantra and the pulsations, right?
ELIAS: Yes.
JULIE: And the vibrations, which are finer, faster.
ELIAS: Correct.
JULIE: Okay. And they all feel really good, and I find that I can tap into them when I would like to.
ELIAS: Intentionally?
JULIE: Yes. Now—
ELIAS: That is actually a skill.
JULIE: Okay. Because I can usually find them somewhere in my body. Like I decide to look for it and I just kind of be still and I can find them somewhere. They’re not always… It’s not always whole body, it might be in my stomach or my head or a leg or something, you know. What does that mean, if they’re in one spot?
ELIAS: It simply means that that’s where you’re tapping into it.
JULIE: Okay.
ELIAS: It’s not less than, because you can expand that if you choose.
JULIE: Mm-hm. Okay. Do you have more to say about that?
ELIAS: I’d say that this is actually a skill that you can develop and that it’s not only pleasurable. I’d say that that is something that is attractive about it, but it’s an experience physically that you show yourself that you can actually experience your Self in physical focus in this manner, and that you can change any of your experiences to be one of these experiences. And I’d say that this is also something that, as you develop it, you can include it in your meditation teachings, and you can use it in relation to healing.
JULIE: Yeah, that’s what I was wondering too.
ELIAS: Yes.
JULIE: Okay.
ELIAS: Because this is something that is a natural expression and that you can move in the direction of choosing that experience. Just as I’ve expressed many times to all of you, that you choose your feelings. But you can also move beyond simply the feelings and you can choose your experience if you move in a direction of developing this type of experience and therefore in that can replace uncomfortable experiences with these types of experiences. Which also, as you may already be aware of, can be automatically considerably healing because when the body is expressing pain, when you are experiencing pain, it’s much more lengthy and difficult to heal. When you are not experiencing discomfort or pain, you heal very quickly because it’s easy to relax. And when you relax, then you allow the body to move in the direction of healing naturally. And in that, the body can heal naturally very quickly.
This is something that recently people have been inquiring of me in relation to healing, that certain cultures can heal physical manifestations very quickly, such as within one day. And certain people have been inquiring about that, how that is accomplished. When you don’t have this type of experience, it’s difficult to explain that but when you do have this experience, then you have a greater understanding of how the body actually can heal anything very quickly. It’s the factor that people include the perception of difficulty and discomfort and pain with manifestations that lengthen the time of the healing process, because it, in a manner of speaking, gets in the way of what the body naturally would be doing.
In this, I’d say that when you can develop this connection with this pulsing, you can move in a direction of recognizing that you don’t require any length of time to be healing. All that is necessary is that you pay attention to that pulsing and what you experience with that, rather than paying attention to whatever the infirmity is.
JULIE: Okay. And that’s all? (Both laugh) Okay.
So Mary, I asked her if she experiences this during meditation and she said no, not during meditation but when she is in the energy exchange with you she feels it.
ELIAS: Yes.
JULIE: She experiences it.
ELIAS: Yes.
JULIE: So is this…? This is automatically healing her body when you’re there? Is that right?
ELIAS: Mm, it can be. It isn’t necessarily automatically doing that because the factor that she is in trance doesn’t necessarily (pause) interfere with what she believes. It does, in a limited sense, move in a direction of helping in relation to healing because there is that suspension of physical feeling and therefore because of that, there is an element of healing, but it’s not enough to be generating a significant expression of healing at one time. Because there still is the factor of what she believes in relation to her experience that is still in play.
JULIE: Right. Okay. But I bet she could bring that into her meditation pretty easily.
ELIAS: I would agree. I would say that likely it simply hasn’t occurred to her, but I would say that yes, she likely could engage that fairly easily. And I would say that she’s already being experimenting in her meditations with relaxing her body and relaxing her perception to allow her to move in a direction of aiding in a healing factor and changing the experience of discomfort. Therefore I would say that yes, if she moved in that direction also it would be significantly affecting.
JULIE: Okay. I will tell her.
ELIAS: Excellent.
JULIE: Yeah. Okay. I learned how to tune into the vibrations from Shinzen Young, the meditation teacher who I initially learned from and he taught a method of – and I want to ask you about this, too. So let’s say with emotional feelings of say anger or whatever, or physical feelings, they all have a component in the body. And he teaches to just focus on that as deeply and completely and aware as we can, saturate it with our attention, notice every minute change. And it actually, you know maybe at first people can’t notice a change, but then they start noticing little minute differences in changes from moment to moment and that was the beginning of… Then you start noticing, oh, that these champagne bubble kind of feelings and vibrational feelings in the body related to that same feeling or pain, or eventually it dissolves into these bubbles, these champagne bubble feelings. Is that something that I could teach right now?
ELIAS: Yes.
JULIE: I actually have been teaching some of his meditations.
ELIAS: Yes, you could.
JULIE: Okay. Yeah. (Pause) Well, awesome. (Elias laughs) And I get… and he, and then I’ve discovered another teacher recently who’s teaching the same thing, just focus in on the vibrations in the body and it feels like you’re in a whirlpool bath. And you can just meditate your way into enlightenment, he says, through the body, with the body as your main focus and refuge, which that sounds really lovely. (Laughs)
ELIAS: I would agree, and it is.
JULIE: Yeah. Okay. And then finally, my last little curiosity about this. Some time ago, many… probably five, ten years ago I was listening to a different channeler channeling the Pleiadeans and the fairies and whatever, and they said that this experience of full-body orgasm, they recommended cultivating that experience, starting out with the sexual experience and those sensations and bringing it into that full-body orgasmic feeling. And they said that they use that state for teleportation and instant manifestation and instantaneous healing. So it’s all kind of the same thing, right?
ELIAS: Yes.
JULIE: Yeah. We’re just not quite there yet, but it’s like that’s where it could go.
ELIAS: Correct.
JULIE: Yeah. Okay. Awesome! (Laughs) I’m excited about that. (Elias laughs) Well, I mean I’m also very… just happy and satisfied already to be just feeling these vibrations when I tune into them, because it just feels really wonderful and relaxing.
ELIAS: I very much understand, and I would be tremendously encouraging you.
JULIE: Okay. Thank you. All right.
ELIAS: And the more you have an understanding of these experiences, the more you can incorporate them into your meditation classes.
JULIE: Yeah. (Pause) Okay. Well, the other thing that I wanted to ask you about was the idea of cultivating feelings and states of being. And what is the value of that, say cultivating a sense of…? You know, you’ve said feelings are a signal. And what’s the value of cultivating a feeling?
ELIAS: I’d say it depends on what you’re doing, but – or what your purpose is, let us say. And in that, first of all it heightens your experiences, and the more you heighten your experiences the more you can use them in many different capacities, in different expressions. Therefore I’d say that it’s not only experiences of pleasure that you could cultivate, you could cultivate any feelings. And in that, it’s a matter of recognizing that as you do that, you’re learning about yourself. You’re becoming more aware of yourself and how to manipulate your body, because that’s where feelings originate, is in your body. And therefore you’re learning how to direct your body and those signals intentionally.
JULIE: Mm-hm. Okay.
ELIAS: Now; in that, I’d say that it’s a matter of recognizing that feelings ARE signals, and therefore if you are experimenting with that and you are developing any of your feelings, then what I’d say is you become more and more sensitive to all of your feelings. And in that, one of the benefits of that is that then when you have a signal occurring, let’s say a signal that is alerting you to something that is wrong in your body, you notice it much more quickly. You can address to it very quickly and you can change it very quickly.
Many people have the idea and the perception that whatever they are experiencing in relation to feelings, that they begin in a certain manner and for a certain reason and then it’s simply a matter of them running their course, and that the individual doesn’t have any ability to direct that. It’s almost as if they see the body as an additional being, and not part of themself or not something that they’re directing and that they’re choosing in relation to. And in that, the more you are developing an awareness and heightening your awareness of feelings, the more you can be directing of the body intentionally in relation to that. (Pause) Do you understand?
JULIE: I think so. Like alert, when the body’s alerting to an energy that is discordant or detrimental, I could address to that quickly by noticing the vibrations of it?
ELIAS: Yes.
JULIE: Yeah.
ELIAS: By noticing the feeling and then developing that more intently by recognizing the vibration of it.
JULIE: With an intent to soothe it or return it to the natural state? Or just recognizing the vibrations is quite enough?
ELIAS: Yes. Yes.
JULIE: Yeah. I like that. (Both laugh) That’s easy. Yeah, let’s make it easy. (Laughs)
ELIAS: Yes.
JULIE: Okay. I have a… When I was in meditation last week in the meditation group that I’m in, and they play with the vibrations, they focus on noticing them and noticing the vibrations coming from other people in the field and noticing how it’s just one sea of vibration. And I really got it for a moment, like.
ELIAS: (Chuckles) That’s exciting.
JULIE: I got the whole “not two” thing from a different point of view than I’ve gotten it before.
ELIAS: That’s very exciting.
JULIE: Yeah. Yeah, it really is. Yeah, it’s an exciting direction for me right now with that. But also recognizing, like right now talking to you, I almost feel like you’re vibrating in my body.
ELIAS: That’s excellent. That is a huge step.
JULIE: Yeah.
ELIAS: To be able to recognize my energy in that capacity, that’s tremendous, my friend.
JULIE: Thanks, Elias.
ELIAS: You’re very welcome.
JULIE: Okay. I feel like I’m going all over the place with all of these different levels—
ELIAS: That’s (chuckles) entirely acceptable.
JULIE: (Laughs) Levels of vibration and levels of frequency. (Both laugh) But it’s all fascinating. (Laughs)
ELIAS: And I’d say that it’s exciting and fun to be engaging new things and new experiences, and sometimes when you’re experiencing several directions that are new at the same time, you don’t know which one to quite pay attention to. (Chuckles)
JULIE: Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so like today, Michael and I, between us we had a bunch of appointments this morning right around ten o’clock, including this one that I’m having with you. And he’s got phone appointments and we had the housekeeper coming in and someone doing something with the air conditioning, and I just told myself, “Okay, I have the ability to create no conflict with any of these things and keep them all, and have a harmony. And how would I feel if that happened? And I would feel very pleased with myself.” And so I generated that feeling of being very pleased that everything worked out, and well and behold everything’s working out. (Both laugh)
ELIAS: That was actually an excellent question to ask yourself, and something to give yourself a guideline with.
JULIE: Yeah. Yeah. Because then Mary, she changed the appointment until ten-thirty instead, and the other guy was… He was a little late, and then the housekeeper came on time. And it’s like everything juggled itself kind of at the last minute to just work out. (Both laugh) And all I had to do was just kind of trust, trust that feeling, trust myself that I could do it.
ELIAS: I’d say that all you had to do was trust. And that is what most people have so much difficulty with. (Laughs)
JULIE: Yeah. That’s something that I’ve got experience with, cultivating it. Practicing and experimenting and all that, I guess. That’s how I developed some trust.
Okay, so here’s another one. It’s possible just to trust… well, again that’s something that a lot of people don’t have experience with, but I asked Nuno, “How do you have the ability to just address to trauma all at once?” because that came up in one of his sessions with you. And he said, “I just asked my subjective to take care of it.” And so I can see that, and that’s just… You just ask yourself to take care of it. And is that all that’s necessary, ever? (Elias laughs) If you can do it?
ELIAS: If you can do it, yes.
JULIE: Yeah. Yeah. Like you could just have a blank mind and ask your subjective to take care of things, because the only problem comes… is when I start thinking and doubting or questioning or putting some other things in the way. Then that starts creating in a new direction than the trust.
ELIAS: Correct.
JULIE: So the—
ELIAS: Yes.
JULIE: The blank mind plus trust. Blank or whatever I want, but not anything that would interfere with my intention, of what I’m asking for.
ELIAS: Yes.
JULIE: Okay. So like I said, all these different levels, interacting with my grandchildren I’ve noticed that… You know, you’ve told me many times in the past that I have control beliefs and most of mine concern lack of control. And I’m really getting that now, and especially—
ELIAS: Congratulations.
JULIE: Yeah. I’m really getting what that means, because both trying to control and feeling and believing lack of control, they’re both just a piece of wanting control.
ELIAS: Yes.
JULIE: Yeah. And so then that’s the thing I need to address to. And like with my grandkids, you know the little one, the three-year-old, he’ll come and he’ll break things and he’ll lose things and he’ll tear things up. And well, you know, I can’t control him, and so that’s the lack of control. And then I find myself doing coercive things to control him, like telling him, “I’m going to take you home to your mother, “or whatever, so that he will feel the threat and not do it. But then I don’t like that feeling either, and I don’t want to do that to him or to me. And so… But I recognized that it’s that control thing coming up. Here’s a new opportunity to address to it, because I did it with my kids and I didn’t feel as bad as I do now. I have more awareness now about—
ELIAS: Correct.
JULIE: — what I’m doing.
ELIAS: Correct. Yes.
JULIE: Yeah.
ELIAS: And that makes an enormous difference.
JULIE: Yeah. Yeah. And so, I don’t want to be that way and so… Then I started talking to myself about how I can set intentions that none of that is necessary and that…
ELIAS: And then what would you do different?
JULIE: Then I could just relax.
ELIAS: Aha!
JULIE: If he breaks something, so what? I can replace it, and it doesn’t mean he’s going to keep doing it next time, you know. (Laughs) And I don’t have to try to control that. I can just allow whatever is happening to be, and children are very changeable.
ELIAS: Yes.
JULIE: And they’re not going—
ELIAS: And you can also be genuine with them instead of attempting to control or feeling a lack of control. If… If the small one breaks something, you can express genuinely that that makes you sad, when something is broken. But you can also move in a direction of – if it’s possible – expressing to them that sometimes when something is broken, it can also be fixed. Therefore it’s not the end of reality if something is broken. (Chuckles)
JULIE: Right. (Laughs) Yeah, that’s right.
ELIAS: Therefore you’re not expressing to the small one that when something is broken you’re sad to manipulate them. You’re simply being genuine and expressing to them that that makes you sad, and that likely will register with them not to do it because it makes you sad and they don’t want to make you sad. But you can also be expressing that reinforcement that they not feel guilty about breaking something, because sometimes the things that are broken can be repaired.
JULIE: And then there’s another form of wanting to control, and this is almost like anticipating damage, like: “Oh don’t do that, because it’ll break!” or “Don’t spray water on that, because it’ll get all rusty,” or whatever. That also feels like control.
ELIAS: Yes. Because you are telling what to do. There is a difference between guiding a small one in relation to their behavior and in relation to keeping them safe, so to speak, and telling them what to do because that’s what you want.
JULIE: Right.
ELIAS: Because actually, whatever you are allowing them to do, such as playing with water, if you don’t want them to do something with water, then you wouldn’t let them play with it. In this, if they are playing with it, then it’s also a matter of recognizing that you made the choice to allow that. And if you’re putting conditions on allowing that, then what are you teaching them?
JULIE: Yeah. Limitation, just like I had.
ELIAS: Yes.
JULIE: Yeah.
ELIAS: Yes.
JULIE: And I don’t want to. Yeah. Yeah, so I’m really working on that. That’s my big thing that I’m really wanting to address to now.
ELIAS: That’s excellent.
JULIE: Yeah.
ELIAS: And I’d say that it’s a matter of recognizing that sometimes you’re going to automatically slip, and that’s all right. Because it’s a matter of recognizing how much and how long you’ve been expressing these things and have had them reinforced. And in that, allowing yourself to recognize that it’s part of learning to not be perfect all the time.
JULIE: (Laughs) Yeah, that’s another one. (Both laugh) Like I’m so ashamed to even admit that I do that, but… (Both laugh) Yeah.
ELIAS: I’d say it’s, in your reality, quite normal. (Julie laughs)
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