Objective and Subjective Awareness Through Dream Recall
Topics:
“Objective and Subjective Awareness Through Dream Recall”
“On Acceptance and a Comparison of Trump and Hitler”
“Recurring Dreams”
Saturday, October 25, 2025 (Group/Hinsdale, New Hampshire)
Participants: Mary (Michael), Adam (Avril), Ann (Vivette), Brad (Quinian), Christina (Melian), Cristina, Daniel (Zynn), Denise (Azura), Eric (Doren), Jean (Lyla), Jean-François (Samta), Jeff (Rogert), John (Lonn), Karen (Turell), Letty (Castille), Lynda (Ruther), Marcos (Marta), Mauricio (Kaffka), Michael, Melissa (Leah), Natasha (Nicole), and Thomas (Abel).
“Everything you do, everything you think, everything you feel is a choice. Everything.”
“…that’s why we’re doing this exercise this day, to acquaint you with how these two aspects of yourself move together and how you communicate to yourselves and in that, how you can use that information and that communication to make intentional choices in your lives.”
ELIAS: Good day!
GROUP: Good day, Elias.
ELIAS: (Laughs) And I know all of you have been waiting with baited breath for this session. (Group laughter) And we’re going to be very interactive with each other this day, because I want to illustrate first of all the subjective and objective awareness through dream recall. Therefore, first I want all of you that can recall a dream to raise your hand. (Pause)
(To Natasha) You can’t recall any dream?
NATASHA: Maybe some old ones, I guess.
ELIAS: That’s fine.
NATASHA: Okay.
ELIAS: It doesn’t have to be a dream that you had last night. It can be any dream at all.
Now; what we’re going to do is, I’m going to go around the room and ask you about a dream. And in that, we’re going to explore what the subjective aspect of the dream is and what the objective is, because this is the easiest manner in which you can begin to recognize what your subjective awareness is doing and how to be aware of that. You are aware of your objective, considerably, because that’s how you function, but you don’t understand (chuckles) that you also function with your subjective. And the more you can familiarize yourself with that part of you – and it’s not two pieces, all one – but this is a part of you, just as one organ is a part of you and another organ is another part of you, but it’s all part of you.
In that, being able to recognize and be aware of that part of you gives you more clarity in relation to choice. And this is a session that will definitely emphasize choice, because that is what, in a manner of speaking, rules your entire reality. You’re making choices every moment of every day of your entire existence in this reality. You don’t think about it as making choices that much in your reality, but you are because everything you do, everything you think, everything you feel is a choice. Everything.
You might think to yourself that some of those, thinking and feeling, is definitely not a choice. They simply happen. No. They’re all choices. Everything is a choice.
Therefore, we’re going to begin with dreams, to see the interplay of objective and subjective, because they’re always interplaying and they’re always both a part of your choices. That’s the reason that sometimes you make choices that you don’t even know you’re making that you don’t like. And you wonder, “Why is this happening?” And let me express to you, that is the most unproductive question that you can possibly express. “Why?” questions are completely unproductive. You likely won’t give yourself an answer to a why question. “Why did I do this?” “Why is this happening?” “Why is this other individual doing this?” “Why can’t I…?” “Why shouldn’t I…?” “Why?” anything is going to give you nothing but irritation and frustration.
“What?” is the question. What are you doing? What has influenced what you’re doing? What can you do differently? What are your choices in any situation?
Now; I will begin with you. And offer a dream.
MARCOS: Can I offer two dreams that I think are—
ELIAS: Very well.
MARCOS: — one subject matter.
ELIAS: You’re so very good at dreams. (Laughs)
MARCOS: I do dream a lot.
ELIAS: I know. (Laughs)
MARCOS: Yes, I know you know. (Group laughter) Being politically-focused and partly because of work but mostly because of interest, I follow politics and geopolitics quite a bit, perhaps too much. But I’ve had two dreams recently with the subject matter being Donald Trump, and in both of those dreams I have found him to be extremely likeable, friendly, and part of me wants to embrace him. And that’s essentially the essence of those two dreams, whereas in my objective reality of course my personal feelings and beliefs are very opposite of that.
ELIAS: Very well.
Now; first of all, remember, for all of you, that dream recall is an objective expression and the imagery in dreams is symbolic. It’s not literal. Therefore, now we can look at… it doesn’t matter what your political views are. You’re giving yourself that imagery to emphasize something that you very much disagree with or that you very much don’t like. That’s the reason you choose that particular imagery objectively, because your objective awareness is translating what your subjective is doing. In that, what your subjective is doing is very much in keeping with what is important to you and your choices. And in that, what is important to you? To be more self-aware, to be interconnected, and to be learning how to be accepting. Those are important factors to you in your life.
Therefore, that’s what your subjective part of you is expressing. It’s in harmony with that objective part of you, that thinking part of you that wants to be more interconnected and more accepting of differences. And in that, you present the imagery of something that’s very challenging, something that you don’t like and that you heartily disagree with and that might even seem threatening at points to you. And in that, that is the presentment of a difficult scenario, an expression for you to be accepting of, for you to be feeling that interconnectedness with. But in the dream, it’s easy because that’s you communicating to yourself that it’s not as difficult as you think it is, and this is what you want and this is achievable, and even this man you can embrace and you can accept. Do you see the interplay of the objective and the subjective together?
MARCOS: I do.
ELIAS: Excellent.
MARCOS: And I would also add that you said at one point, and I can’t remember, from a session like this or to someone, that even Hitler had his beliefs. And that triggered something in me that made me realize that everybody has their own beliefs, and if we are to accept the interconnection then I am interconnected with those individuals as well. And that’s something that I’ve tried to bring forth in my objective awareness in my work, as a connector, as a bridge, and I have talked to you so much more.
ELIAS: Yes.
MARCOS: And so I think there’s an influence there that comes up in some of these dreams. And one other thing I’ll just say. My dreams have gone from me having nightmares of huge black dogs chasing me to having wonderful dreams in the last year, year and a half.
ELIAS: Congratulations. That’s excellent, and that is a movement in acceptance of you, not of other people. Because the big black dogs chasing you are you and in that, you’ve overcome that, which is excellent. Congratulations.
Do the rest of you see or understand the interplay of the objective and the subjective in that dream?
DENISE: Is it presenting him with where his objective actions don’t match his goals? Because like…
ELIAS: Not necessarily. It can be.
DENISE: Okay.
ELIAS: But in this situation no, not necessarily. It’s an encouragement.
DENISE: Oh, okay. Okay.
ELIAS: That even something such as this, even an individual such as this that he dislikes that intensely can be embraced. Not necessarily physically, but metaphorically. Even that—
DENISE: I asked because I have the same dislike and I would like to be more accepting.
ELIAS: Yes. Yes. And in that, it’s a matter of recognizing that what is it that you dislike so much? And you can – yes (Denise laughs) you can likely make a list of all of the things that you dislike so much. But then also this is an individual, and you don’t personally know him. You know what he is responsible for, but you don’t know how much of that is being influenced by other people. Therefore you’re making a generalization about an individual based on what that individual is responsible for. Very similar to Hitler. He was made to be responsible for all of the atrocities of the Second World War. In truth, there were a lot of those atrocities that the man was completely ignorant of and didn’t even know that it was happening. He was exceptionally good at delegating, because he was also someone that didn’t want to be involved. He wanted to be in the spotlight. He wanted to be the star, but he didn’t want to be involved. And therefore because he was the star, he was labeled responsible for everything that occurred.
I would say that Mr. Trump is very similar. He wants to be the star and he has put himself in a position of being the star. But in being the star, you also become responsible for everything that happens under your star, and therefore he becomes responsible for all of the things that are happening in your government. And when I say everything, I mean everything. He is becoming responsible for everything that’s happening in your country because he’s the star. And therefore he is shining on your country and everything he shines on, he is responsible for. And people don’t like him for that, although there are some people that like him a lot for that.
But in that, don’t make the mistake of thinking that the people that do like him are not as self-aware, because they are. Some of them are just as self-aware as you are. Some of them I interact with also. They’re simply making different choices than you are, and their preferences are different. What they like and dislike are different than what you like and dislike. But I would say that this also is a matter of choice. (To Marcos) I know for you, correct, you are very politically-oriented and took a job with a governor that you didn’t necessarily like in the beginning and you definitely disagreed with, and whose politics were very conservative and not in alignment with yours. But what happened?
MARCOS: Realigned in some things, and some really good things happened.
ELIAS: Yes. Yes. Which is also an example of choices and what can happen regardless of those differences, if you move in a direction of accepting differences. You can change tremendous things when you accept differences.
Now; let me see – and you can hide all you want to, Avril, (laughs) it won’t work. You are next. (Group laughter)
ADAM: Would you like the last dream I recall or the most frequent dream that I recall that occurs frequently?
ELIAS: Ah! A repeat dream.
ADAM: Yes.
ELIAS: Let’s try that one.
ADAM: Okay, here’s the dream is – let me focus it. It happens in variations, but it’s the same dream. Backstage. The show is starting at seven. I have to make it to the stage to perform in one capacity or the other. And I spend the entire dream, which feels like two hours, clawing backstage. Perhaps my body’s weak, so I’m having to drag myself by arms. A piece of equipment is missing. I’m digging through the boxes. My music has fallen everywhere. I am… can’t get up the staircase. I get to the piano but it’s not set up properly, so it’s not powered or like I can’t get it open. And it’s always up to the last minute and the curtain is rising and I’m not ready yet. I mean, that’s kind of obvious, I think, what some of that communication is. But through the years it’s changed, where generally I’m more prepared or feeling more comfortable, as in the dream. So maybe I still don’t make the curtain but I’m not as panicked backstage or I’m not as weak in my body or I’m not injured or I’m not digging through cases of equipment or stumbling in the dark. So little things adjust. And I think maybe once I’ve made it say to the piano bench comfortably and was waiting for the curtain to rise, but then I woke up before the curtain rose. So it either rises and I wake up and I’m not prepared, and then maybe one time it… I felt prepared but then I woke before the curtain. (Laughs)
ELIAS: I would say congratulations.
ADAM: Yeah, it took years.
ELIAS: When would you say that recurring dream started?
ADAM: Um, around 2009.
ELIAS: Now; in that, what have you put together and learned from that recurring dream?
ADAM: With hindsight and at this point, I would say an atmosphere of the dream was always control or having my hands on every… like that I had to set up the equipment myself. That I have to find it, the correct music, that I have to be presented in a certain way, that I have to be wearing the right thing, that I have to be there at a certain time. So probably the bigger change in atmosphere of the dream or the lesson learned was letting go of doing it all myself and the forcing. And also in the atmosphere of the dream, not necessarily happening in action but the feeling of myself in the dream was that I was not… that I hadn’t prepared or given enough, I wasn’t enough. And it wasn’t that I wasn’t enough to perform, it was that I knew I had not done everything I could do to prepare myself for the moment. And so there was a lot of blame or pressure on myself. And so I think that would be one of the bigger things I have learned from the dreams, was to calm the hell down.
ELIAS: I would agree. I would also express that yes, I agree that control is a significant thing in these dreams, and communicating to yourself to let go of that control. It’s not serving you and it’s harmful to you. But I’d also say that a significant element of these dreams, other than control and that you have to do everything yourself, is a continued communication to yourself about the lack of trust that you have, not only in yourself but in everyone else more so. That you can’t trust other people to help you. You can’t trust other people to do the job correctly. You can’t trust other people to hold you. That other people are not trustworthy and therefore they can’t hold you up. And this is the reason that you’re also crawling, because you’re having trouble holding yourself up and trusting that. But more importantly, you can’t trust anyone else to help and to hold you up.
And that is the subjective part of the whole expression. Knowing that, then you can begin to make choices in relation to your behavior and your actions within the day. Which I acknowledge you that you have begun, and that is the reason that the dream is changing.
Recurring dreams are not only expressed in one direction. Recurring dreams can change. They are, in a manner of speaking, a type of thermometer. They’re expressing what the temperature is of what you’re doing and what you’re choosing. And if the temperature is too hot, as you change, it lowers. If the temperature is too cold and you’re frozen and you can’t move, it slowly rises to give you a balance and to warm you and comfort you. These dreams are significant because they are a type of constant that you give yourself to gauge what you’re doing. They’re not meant to discourage you or blame you or judge yourself. They are meant to give you a glimpse in relation to the choices that you’re making, and what that’s doing to you. Whether it’s building yourself up or whether it’s hurting you. And in that, recurring dreams can be very valuable. Generally speaking, recurring dreams begin or start out being nightmares and they’re heavy and they’re difficult to feel about. Sometimes they even will influence you to feel the entire next day uncomfortable because the dream is disturbing. But if you don’t push on those recurring dreams, if you don’t try to push them away, they can be very useful and very helpful. Thank you.
ADAM: Thank you.
ELIAS: Do the rest of you see the connection between the objective and the subjective in this example? This is important. I’m going to continue to ask you that question, because it’s important that you speak up if you don’t see it.
Yes?
DENISE: I would say with his, I feel it’s easier to see because it’s reflecting the action whereas with Marcos’ it felt opposite.
ELIAS: Correct. Correct. But you could still see the connection between the two. Excellent.
And the next individual will be you.
MAURICIO: Me?
ELIAS: Yes.
MAURICIO: Okay. I have many things in my mind. I would say that I am in trouble to select one (laughs) but I will say this one. I remember to be in a party with kids and there was a clown, and I was paying attention to the clown. He was playing with the kids. He asked who wanted to participate and I raised my hand. And suddenly I just made some steps to the front, and I don’t remember. He asked me to close my eyes or what is going to be my task to do in the dream, but I remember that I closed my eyes. I put my position… I don’t know how to express but like this, and slowly there started to arrive to me millions of bees. Millions. Over all my body, all over me, completely all. And so I closed my eyes and I started breathing very peacefully, and the bees were also calm and stayed with me I think one minute, I don’t know, but some time. And after that time, they started to move away and nothing happened. But I remembered the deepness in my breathing and my inner connection with that. That’s different. I don’t remember how many dreams I dreamed this, but I’d say fifteen years. I don’t remember anymore.
ELIAS: And what do you think about clowns?
MAURICIO: Ah, when I was a child, I was afraid of clowns.
ELIAS: Very well. And—
MAURICIO: But not too much. Just a little bit.
ELIAS: And—
MAURICIO: Because I remember to be in parties and I played, but I remember some, some of them.
ELIAS: Very well. And what do you think about being asked to be the one in front of everyone?
MAURICIO: To put me in front of everyone? Yeah. That’s what I think now. At that moment I didn’t think that. I just, at the beginning, my feeling was a surprise but later on I (inaudible) be with me, and that works for me.
ELIAS: Now; for most individuals the idea of being covered in bees would be terrifying, but you weren’t. And in that, you also knew to breathe calmly. This is your subjective expressing to you a validation to hold in that expression of calm and the power of breath, and that it doesn’t matter what happens in your life, if you can center in that power of the breath and remain calm, you can accomplish anything.
Do you see how simple the subjective aspect is of this dream? The dream seems complicated. The dream seems intricate. There is a party. There is a clown. There is you being in the spotlight but then there are all these bees and it seems to be objectively complicated. Many times in your lives you think whatever is happening is complicated, but it’s actually not. And that your subjective is countering that by adding in that part of your choice, to be calm and to breathe, and that that will be your solution to however complicated a situation can be. Can you see the objective and subjective aspect of this? And how they move together very harmoniously? Excellent. Thank you.
MAURICIO: Thank you.
ELIAS: And the next one will be you.
MICHAEL: Me?
ELIAS: Yes.
MICHAEL: Me. Me. Okay. (Group laughter) So I… (Group chatter)
ELIAS: Very well. Yes?
MICHAEL: Yeah. So I remember a dream in which we were building a new house. My father, I remember like the visuals of the new house and I didn’t quite understand why that was the case, although it turned out to be close to the time of my sister’s later passing. So I had that dream like maybe a day or two earlier. And I was sort of like, the impression was like a building of a home was like that was the theme. And I remember that, the imagery of that place. I remember those details but I don’t really know exactly why. I know we’re not going to think of whys. (Group laughter) I wanted to know what I might have been presenting to myself.
ELIAS: And do you have any impressions?
MICHAEL: My impressions might be reflecting on family and the father image of building or establishing stability in that no matter what happens, the family of which I’m a part has this intention of building safety and security in the home. Those are my impressions.
ELIAS: I would say that’s excellent and I would agree. And I would say that also it’s a communication, in a manner of speaking, or an encouragement subjectively that family is not necessarily something to shy away from. That you don’t necessarily have to be the same or think the same or have the same values, but that you can be accepting and accept yourself in that unit regardless of the differences, and to value that. That in many situations, regardless of how much so many of you have negative ideas about family, I’d say that there is an element of support in relation to that.
Now; family doesn’t necessarily have to be your biological family, and that’s another very important piece. That family can be what you build it to be, what you make it, and in that, knowing that it is an important part of your support system. And it’s also a matter of in that you’re building a house, building the home. That’s the piece about family doesn’t have to be biological, that you’re building a family. And in building the family, it’s about building the relationships that are complementary to you, accepting the pieces or the parts that are different but choosing for yourself what is encouraging to you, what is supportive to you, what is important to you and to be able to make those choices intentionally rather than simply waiting for it to happen. Do you understand?
MICHAEL: Yeah. I could see the message of the subjective self, the open part of me, being accepting and generating a feeling of what we are intentionally choosing together. I do remember my family’s energy being present, even though I don’t remember seeing them or interacting. I just felt their presence, as though my father had been building this house and I didn’t know why. But I’d say it’s a good piece for me to be aware of, is that intentionality as pertains means to me.
ELIAS: Yes.
MICHAEL: It’s what I can focus on.
ELIAS: I very much agree. Very well. And do the rest of you see the connection between the objective and the subjective in relation to this dream? Excellent. Excellent.
I will say we will generate one more before the break. You.
NATASHA: Me?
ELIAS: Yes.
NATASHA: Okay. First of all, I don’t notice much but I can relate to Adam, Adam’s dreams, very much so, because I had very similar. But mine were more on the side of being in search of. Objective imagery could be anything in those days, but I remember the feelings that I would bring out from me in the morning, that I’m searching. And the second one I’m not being understood. That I communicated with somebody and I saw him, but that’s not what I want, and I’m looking for something and it’s not happening, and I’m looking for something and it’s not happening. So it’s also a recurring dream but as long as I can remember, but it’s probably at least twenty years. I don’t know how long.
ELIAS: And have you noticed any changes in that?
NATASHA: Not that I remember. I don’t remember.
ELIAS: Very well.
NATASHA: And (inaudible)
DANIEL: (To Natasha) After Adam, we don’t (inaudible) with his dream. I don’t know.
NATASHA: Anyway, there were… Yeah, I could relate perfectly, and what you said and how you interacted with us, it was no surprise to me at all because yes, yeah it was your dream. Yes. I had very similar also dream. But many years ago, but I think it was… I don’t know what it was. Not necessarily encouragement. Maybe… another dream. I was under, I was teenager at the time I think, I was underwater and I couldn’t… And I know that I cannot breathe in there and I breathe. And I’m long time underwater, even (inaudible). And I feel like we are somewhere underneath our bags, our (inaudible), the bottom of a big boat. But we are okay. We are fine. And then I hold my breath, hold it, then I cannot hold anymore. Then all of a sudden I can breathe underwater. It was a revelation. And another part of the dream was that I am swimming in the water and I feel little like shrimp, krill, eating my face, so then I realize I must have been a whale or something. That’s…
ELIAS: Excellent.
NATASHA: Yes.
ELIAS: I’d say that in relation to the first dream in which you’re not satisfied and you can’t seem to find whatever it is that you’re looking for, giving a very slight bit of back information to the rest of the group, this would be a situation in which she has been searching, searching, searching objectively, (to Natasha) for as long as I have been engaging with you, which has been many years. And in that, the searching changes. It’s not always the same, but there’s always this element of searching and not being satisfied with what is, but there must be something else, there must be something more. And the dream is very reflective of that.
And in this situation, it’s different than the other recurring dream because in this, the subjective is simply echoing, or they’re echoing each other actually. In this, this is significant because in this type of situation in which the objective and the subjective are echoing each other, the individual generally remains in the same position. There is no movement forward. There is no movement backwards. It’s the same position, consistently. This can be significant because there is an element of dissatisfaction in that and there’s no answer. There’s no response. And in that, the subjective isn’t giving information. It IS expressing validation, but it’s not moving in any other direction or expressing any other encouragement. This is a situation in which what is being presented, both in harmony echoing each other is: stop paying attention to the lack of satisfaction. As long as you’re caught in this direction, always searching for something else, what is that? Not enough. That is a very strong expression of not enough. And both of those halves of you, if you will, are locked in that expression together, expressing the same thing of not enough.
And in that, it’s a matter of looking at choices. Looking at: What are the choices – as usual – I’m making today? What choices am I making that are making me uncomfortable? That I’m dissatisfied? What choices am I making that are perpetuating this not enough? And then stopping and expressing: What other choices can I make? Not in the grand scheme of things. Not in your entire life, but: What choice can I make differently in this moment? I’m noticing in this moment I’m feeling dissatisfied. I don’t even know what I’m dissatisfied with. I’m simply dissatisfied. What choices can I make to change that? What can I do different that can alleviate that and allow me to feel more comfortable?
All that matters is this moment. Not your entire life. Not this year. Not this month. Not this week. Not tomorrow, but right now. Today. What am I feeling and what can I feel? Remember: everything is a choice. What you think and what you feel is also a choice. You’re choosing what you feel. You’re choosing what you think. You’re choosing what you do. Therefore what do you want to choose? What can you choose that feels different?
Initially it may be a matter of looking at your own experiences and what of your experiences allows you to feel comfortable. You don’t even have to move in the direction of “What choice makes me feel satisfied?” That might be too difficult, because then you’re spinning in “What does that mean? What satisfies me? And I don’t know. If I knew that, then I wouldn’t be searching for it.” Don’t move in that direction. Address to the moment and what you feel and what will make you feel comfortable. What actions are you familiar with that you enjoy or that simply make you comfortable? It may be as simple in the moment as drinking a cup of coffee, or having a sip of wine. It doesn’t matter what the choice is. What matters is that you’re making a different choice and you’re choosing a different feeling.
That dream is validating to you what you already know, that you’re caught in this ongoing situation of what you think and feel, and that it’s not breaking. Therefore the message is YOU have to break it. You have to break it through the choices that you make.
Do you all see that? Do you all understand that dream imagery? Because that is significant. It’s different from the other dream imageries.
Excellent. We shall break.
(Break occurs after 55 minutes)
ELIAS: Continuing. Who will be next? Hm. Who shall I choose? You. Yes.
CRISTINA: Oh! First a picture. (Elias chuckles) (Group laughter and chatter)
ELIAS: (Laughs) Very well.
CRISTINA: Thank you. Okay. (Laughs)
ELIAS: And your dream?
CRISTINA: My dream. So this is a recurring dream.
ELIAS: Another one.
CRISTINA: Yeah. Before coming to this country to work as a translator, I used to be a teacher. I used to work for fifteen years as a teacher of eleven, twelve years old – you know, elementary school. And so when I came here, I started having these dreams that I was behind in the curriculum. That I didn’t teach – oh, you know, during the year you have to teach several things that are core, part of the core curriculum – and I started having these dreams: “Oh my god! I didn’t teach this. I didn’t teach that.” The main things that I had to. And so that started to… I had these dreams on the first years that I came here, and then after a while, a few years later they stopped. And they came back, and this is why they are recurring. And later they have come back. So I wonder, what is it? Because I feel so terrible when I wake up and I see that I didn’t do my part. These kids didn’t learn the core things that they were supposed to learn during this course. So…
ELIAS: Now; what I would ask you is, it’s obvious – it’s obvious to myself (group laughter) – why you would have generated this dream when you first came to the country. But then they stopped and then they came back, and what was happening in your life when they came back?
CRISTINA: Oh, it’s very recent. So I cannot pinpoint anything special that has happened.
ELIAS: You don’t have to pinpoint anything special. I’m simply asking you, in this time that they’ve come back, what would you say even in general is… Don’t look for something wrong. Simply express what has been happening in your life since these dreams have come back.
CRISTINA: I’m doing a lot of work. I’ve been reading your stuff and I’ve been doing a lot of work understanding the communication from the subjective and a lot of inner work. That’s what I’ve been doing. And I guess the dreams have something to do with that?
ELIAS: Of course, they do. But anything else in relation to changes? Anything?
CRISTINA: Oh, okay. I am collecting all of your teachings about death and dying.
ELIAS: Yes.
CRISTINA: And I’m writing this book.
ELIAS: Yes.
CRISTINA: And this has been quite a big thing in my life lately.
ELIAS: Yes.
CRISTINA: So, does that answer your question?
ELIAS: Yes, it does. And what I would say to you is, this is quite interesting that we have several different examples of recurring dreams in different capacities and this is yet another one. In this, the reason for the dream that appears to be obvious in the beginning is that you’re entering a new country and unsettled and perhaps not entirely familiar with how the system works and functions, and therefore the dream is expressing that anxiety about what’s happening in your objective life. Which that happens, not only with recurring dreams but that happens very frequently with people with their dreams, that if they are anxious or tense or stressed about something that is happening in their objective, waking life it will be reflected in their dreams in some type of uncomfortable dream. That the imagery will be uncomfortable or scary, or it could even translate into nightmares. Not necessarily recurring dreams, but those types of dreams will be reflected from the anxiety that the individual has while they are in waking state. Which that’s, I would say for most of you, likely understandable and somewhat elementary.
But I would say that then when you move to a point in your life in which you are more settled and you have been moving in a direction of more self-awareness, which you have, then it might seem strange that you might present the same dream to yourself again, in this different time framework when you might feel much more comfortable with your life. But the key in this is that you’re writing this book, and you’re writing this book about the information that I’ve been expressing for some time. And with that, then there comes an expectation of yourself that you will get it perfect, and that in that, you will do justice to the material. And in placing that type of an expectation on yourself, then comes that recurring dream again because then it’s a matter of you have these expectations of yourself that are very similar to the expectations that you had when you first entered the country. You want to do a good job. You want to, in a manner of speaking, impress the people that you work for. And there is that uncomfortableness and an element of anxiety that perhaps you won’t deliver what you expect of yourself.
Now; you’ve taken on this challenge yourself of generating this book, and there are a lot of people that engage with my information throughout the world and therefore they’ll know if it’s incorrect. (Group laughter) And that puts a heavy expectation on yourself, because I would agree that the people that are privy to this information for years have been looking for discrepancies. (Group laughter) Therefore they WILL be scrutinizing. But it doesn’t matter, because that’s not the point. You’re offering this book as information to people that might not be engaging sessions with myself or may not be reading the information that I’m offering. And even if they are, this is a concise source of a particular subject, which is an excellent endeavor.
And in that, what I would say is you’ve given yourself more information through the action of doing this book, and you have given yourself the opportunity to grow in a particular capacity as you’ve been moving in the direction of this information. And I would say in that, that what you have to offer is excellent in itself. You are a very comprehensive, thorough individual, and I can say that with confidence because I’ve engaged with you and you ARE very thorough and you’re very precise about the information and about what you are writing, and you want to be clear and you ARE clear. And in that, what anyone else thinks doesn’t matter.
And I would say to you that it’s important for you to credit yourself and be proud of yourself for what you’re doing. Don’t second guess yourself, and don’t put such high expectations on yourself that you create recurring dreams again because there is an underlying anxiety that you won’t be good enough. You already ARE good enough.
But does everyone see the correlation between the objective and the subjective, and what the subjective is expressing to her in these recurring dreams? It’s making this part of you known to you. Sometimes you may not necessarily be entirely aware of the extent of the expectations that you’re placing on yourself. And if you’re comfortable with yourself, you’ll not see the extent of those expectations on yourself, and therefore the dream imagery and the expression of the subjective is bringing that to your attention. It’s expressing so that you know objectively this is something you’re not necessarily always aware of. Pay attention, and therefore you can alter that by acknowledging yourself and by crediting yourself. And those would be the different choices that you can make in relation to this communication through the dream imagery.
Therefore in this, the subjective awareness is doing what?
DENISE: Shining a light on something that you’re doing.
ELIAS: Yes. Yes. What’s it doing differently than the other examples of recurring dreams? (Pause)
DANIEL: There are these other people, students, as a reflection of the usual. (Pause)
ELIAS: No, not necessarily. I understand what you’re saying, but the key factor in this is expectations. Therefore that’s the difference than the other examples of recurring dreams. That each one of these examples of recurring dreams is different, which is quite excellent for the purpose of this interaction and this session, giving very different examples of something that is fairly common. Which many people have recurring dreams, and they’re not all the same or they’re not all for the same reason. And this is an excellent opportunity to recognize that, that they ARE different.
(To Cristina) Thank you. (Chuckles) And next, as the wheel spins, (group laughter) where will it land? With you.
BRAD: Thank you. I have a recurring dream of walking one of our dogs and from somewhere – she’s afraid of everything – and another dog comes toward us, but I never see the other dog. I can’t… It could be black. It could be white. I have no idea. And I do, just before I wake up, I flail and kick or something like that, like I’m trying to get this other dog out of the way, keep her away from our dog, and then I wake up. And sometimes I yell at it. (Group chatter and laughter) And then I wake up, and it’s the same dream. It always ends right there. I never see the other dog. So I’m thinking that maybe I’m trying to change something that is not in my purview to change. I mean, with something that’s happened during the daytime or something. I’m not trying to change something I’m doing, I’m mad at something else that I can’t change.
ELIAS: Partly. And I would acknowledge you, that you have interpreted that much and agree with you partly. And—
BRAD: But? (Laughs)
ELIAS: Not but, and.
BRAD: And. (Laughs)
ELIAS: I would say AND this is imagery about protection. Which is not the same as control, although sometimes they can move hand in hand. But this imagery is different because this is about protecting what you love. Not only the dog, but anything and everything that you love, and how important that is and how you perceive that you’re not doing it enough.
Now; what is significant about this dream and why it keeps coming up is because this subject of protection is actually harmful. Let me explain. For you, it creates stress, it creates anxiety, and these factors are unhealthy physically for the beings around you, whether they be your dogs or your wife or friends, it’s destructive because it communicates energetically to everything around you that they’re not capable of taking care of themselves. That you’re expressing energetically, “I have to do this.” Therefore what you’re doing is taking personal responsibility for the beings around you.
And let me express to you: dogs feel that just as much as a human does, and they know just as much. And let me also say that when you do that for extended periods of time, let’s say years, the beings around you reflect it back to you in behaviors that are expressing that they’re helpless or that they can’t take care of themselves or that they need your protection. Because you’re communicating that to them so repeatedly that they begin to believe it.
Now; let me also say that there are two factors in this. The humans are likely going to generate behaviors that are more subtle than overtly expressing that they’re not capable of taking care of themselves. The dogs, energy is their first language. Therefore they’re going to move in the direction of accepting that and then creating behavior that is reinforced by it. Therefore the more you express that you have to protect, the more frightened they become. Therefore if they are displaying frightened behavior, you perpetuate it by expressing that energy of protection.
Now; this is a tough one. It may not seem to be because it seems somewhat straightforward, but it’s not because this is something that has obviously been engrained in you, that this is your responsibility and that this is very important and that you need to take care of. And in that, it’s not that easy to change that choice. And it’s not about simply telling yourself, “I don’t need to take care of. I don’t need to be protecting.” It’s not that simple because you already believe that you DO need to do that.
Therefore it’s a matter of engaging incremental, small steps. And again, it’s about choices and these choices being when you look at your dogs, when you pet them when they’re at home, start appreciating how strong they are in whatever manner. Even a dog that is skittish and afraid has some strengths. Therefore target those strengths and pay attention to them and pay attention to how much you appreciate that and how much you love them. Replace fear with love. Instead of being afraid for them, be in love with them.
If you have something that you are afraid of with your wife such as health, and in that, that can be something that you want to take personal responsibility for, you want to protect her, you want to help her but you can’t because those are her choices. Therefore whenever you feel that or even if you don’t feel it, if you think it, replace it with telling her, “I love you.” That’s all you have to do. You don’t have to explain it. You don’t have to tell her why you’re saying that in that moment. You simply tell her, “I love you.” In that, it’s simply a matter of taking small steps and replacing those behaviors of protection and personal responsibility with expressions of love instead.
Now; do you and does everyone else see what the subjective/objective interaction is? What is the subjective action that’s happening? You can see the objective, but what is the subjective action that’s happening in this recurring dream? (Pause)
NATASHA: A demonstration. A demonstration. It demonstrates the protective instinct.
ELIAS: Correct. You are correct. It’s a demonstration of what you’re doing. It’s emphasizing it to you by demonstrating it to you. And in that it’s showing you, you can’t protect. You can’t make those choices. And this, as I said, is not about control. This is about personal responsibility, taking personal responsibility for something else, which you can’t do.
BRAD: Right.
ELIAS: Therefore it simply frustrates you and scares you. And I would say that it’s very likely that when you awaken in that state your heart is probably racing, which is not healthy. Therefore you’re not only expressing an unhealthy energy to those outside sources, but you’re expressing an unhealthy energy to yourself. Be encouraged, my friend.
BRAD: Thank you.
ELIAS: Now you know, and you can choose. (Laughs) And next I will choose you this time. (Laughs)
JOHN: I used to have these recurring dreams about… There was nothing particularly different about the dreams or whatever but I’d be out and then all of a sudden, I would see like a lion or a tiger or a jaguar or whatever, like almost hiding. They’d be stalking me or something, or maybe it wasn’t just me, it was me and my kids or me and someone. And each time I was afraid and I would either try to get myself out of the situation or whoever I was with. And nothing ever happened. I mean, I would either safely get out of it or wake up in the process of it. But then, I can’t remember if I was talking to you or if it was Ann relaying something from you, but I can’t remember if it was a dream trigger or something, but anyway the cat was something.
ANN: Oh, your dream trigger.
JOHN: And then you had said that if you – I can’t remember exactly how you put it.
ANN: Touch?
JOHN: Yeah, you touch that, then you’re going to discover something that you’ve been trying to figure out. So some time later I was at this house and there was a bunch of kids. I don’t think they were mine, but they were like family. Then I saw like a black jaguar outside. And so I was trying to get everyone in and somebody opened this big glass French door kind of thing and this cat comes in. And I’m trying to think, am I going to jump on and grab it or whatever? And so I’m behind it and I just rub under this thing (laughs) like it’s a kitten. And it turns around and it likes it. And I don’t remember discovering anything in particular about that, but I never had a dream again about seeing some big cat in the wild.
ELIAS: Now; this is also another example, a different example of a recurring dream. And in that, the difference is in the beginning you’re attempting to avoid it. You’re attempting to move away from it, move away from it, and in that, the dream continues to repeat. Then when you stop and you actually approach the cat and you touch it, what you did was you stopped avoiding and you stopped being afraid. And by doing so, the dream stops because the message was received.
This is a different type of recurring dream that does occur with many people, that as long as they keep avoiding the situation or attempting to run away from it, they keep having the recurring dream. And when they stop and when they actually engage whatever it is that they’re running away from, they never have those dreams again.
In that, what’s happening is, in the time that you’re avoiding it, that’s generally a time of growth. You don’t know quite what you’re doing objectively, but you’re in a process of growing and becoming more aware, and generally it’s a time in which you’re moving through something that may have been difficult or challenging. Not necessarily always difficult. But in that, once you move to the point in which you become aware of what it is that you’re moving through, then the dreams stop because they’re not necessary any longer. It’s a constant running expression subjectively of uncertainty. It’s a validation, in a manner of speaking. It’s not bad. And the objective is translating that into imagery and of course it makes the imagery of either avoiding or running away from, and in that being uncertain of not only what to do but uncertain of the situation, that it’s volatile. When you think about the dream, you automatically will think that there’s something wrong and that it’s bad, but in actuality it’s not actually bad and it’s not about something being wrong. It’s simply that you’re expressing to yourself repeatedly, “You’re not there yet, but you’re moving.” “You’re moving, but you’re not there yet.” “Yes, you’re moving, but you’re not there yet.” And you keep doing that until you have reached a point in which you do have a breakthrough, and then the dream reflects that. And then you have that point in which you move and touch the cat, and that’s the end of it.
ANN: Can I just ask something?
ELIAS: Yes.
ANN: So it’s like familiar, like they say when you’re having a dream and someone’s chasing you, if you’ll stop and to confront them and the dream goes away like that. So is it a case of in your objective reality, you have addressed it and so the dream reflects it or in your dream reality or your subjective reality, when you address it does that help you in your objective reality? Does that make sense? I mean can you affect your objective reality by changing your dream?
ELIAS: Absolutely. Absolutely. Yes. And I would say that you can do that very quickly if you are lucid dreaming. If you are aware in the dream of what you are dreaming and what you are doing, if you are the observer of your own dream, you can change it. Anyone that can and does generate that action of lucid dreaming, because they are the observer AND the participant, the observer part of them can change the dream. That’s not something that we’ve been presented with yet, but let me express to you in relation to that, that is an action in which you are involving and aware of involving both the objective and the subjective. You’re participating in the dream, but you’re observing the dream. The part of you that’s participating in the dream doesn’t know that it’s in a dream, but the part of you that is observing does know that you are in the dream and does know that you’re dreaming. And in that, you can make aware choices to change the dream.
Now; THAT is an example of being aware of what you’re doing, being aware of observing yourself, and intentionally making choices to change what you’re doing, objectively or subjectively. That is something that generally speaking people that can do that don’t think about (chuckles) doing that when they’re awake.
ANN: Yeah, but you can, can’t you?
ELIAS: Yes, you CAN and that’s the point. And that is what you’re showing yourself when you do that action by observing yourself in a dream and changing the dream. That’s what you’re presenting and showing yourself, that you can do that not only in a dream. You can do that in any moment when you are awake.
Yes?
ADAM: Well, in terms of objective/subjective in the theme today, what’s the difference? In what I would call lucid dreaming, I don’t actually watch my self imagery. I just do whatever I want in the dream, as if I’m awake. What is that? In objective/subjective terms, what is that? Because I don’t… Typically if I’m aware in a dream, I’m not watching myself in the dream. I’m in first person, choosing to fly up, go left, go to the party, go to the thing, do—
ELIAS: And do you know you’re in a dream or—
ADAM: I know when I’m—
ELIAS: — you’re simply making choices intentionally?
ADAM: No, I know I am and I know like throughout the thing. I know that if I become too excited about what I’m doing that I’m going to pull myself back.
ELIAS: And wake up.
ADAM: And wake up. So it’s like a first-person experience. I rarely watch myself in dreams like that, so—
ELIAS: Which is another type of, yes.
ADAM: Well, that’s what I wonder. In the terms that you’re speaking, so what’s the distinction between watching yourself versus first-person activity like that? As far as—
ELIAS: There isn’t one. It’s simply, I’m simply using the other method as an example because more people engage that than what you do. There are people that do what you do, but more people would be observing themself in the dream rather than being in the first person in the dream. I would say that your gift also is something that influences that ability. (Pause)
ADAM: Thank you.
ELIAS: You’re welcome. But this is excellent that you would bring up this particular distinction also, because it’s definitely something that people don’t necessarily translate, and including your method of lucid dreaming, you don’t necessarily do that in your waking life. As intentional as you can be in the lucid dreaming, you’re not translating that into waking life. And that is a definite point in lucid dreaming, is to be able to translate that over to your waking life and intentionally make choices in your waking life, and to know that making those choices is just as easy in waking life as it is in your dream.
ADAM: I fly a lot. I’m not sure. (Group laughter)
ELIAS: And perhaps flying might be, in objective terms, it is perhaps metaphorical. (Laughs) Now let me see. You.
THOMAS: Me? Okay. (Group laughter) All right. Not a recurring dream.
ELIAS: Very well.
THOMAS: It’s a dream that happened once. First a set-up. I was about five, four years old. I was with my family in Ireland. It was a Sunday. Everybody went to mass except my brother. He was sick in bed with the flu, so my mom gave me the option of staying home to keep him company. So I did, and then I was on the bed next to him reading. I was reading some sci-fi comic book. I fell asleep. I didn’t know I was dreaming, so I got up out of bed and I was thirsty. My mom said before leaving, she said, “Stay in the room. Don’t go to the kitchen, even to get a glass of water, whatever. Just stay in the room.” Anyhow, I was thirsty. So I got up out of bed, opened the door to get a glass of water and there was a little man on the other side of the door staring back at me. And he had this big, long, white beard. He had this bag of money. Well, you would guess it was a leprechaun. We’re in Ireland. C’mon! (Group laughter) I was so scared. My heart was pounding. I slammed the door in his face, threw my back up against the door. And that’s all I remember.
ELIAS: And as obvious as it was that the little man was a leprechaun, it should be equally as obvious what the interplay of the objective/subjective was in this dream. What would you express as an impression?
THOMAS: My impression would be I was… I’m not sure exactly how to put it. I think it was a part of me, and a part of me that I was afraid of. Maybe… I don’t know. Something, maybe the beauty or the wonder of existence or of myself or maybe some skills and talents that I might have. I was too young to know what. Yeah.
ELIAS: I’d say that’s a little bit too deep for that age. (Group laughter)
THOMAS: Exactly. Yeah, so I don’t know.
ELIAS: What I would say is that your mother told you not to leave the room.
THOMAS: Oh, okay.
ELIAS: And you did it anyway, or you started to do it anyway. And what do you confront but a leprechaun? And leprechauns aren’t always lucky. (Chuckles) They can be somewhat scary also. And I would say that you slamming the door was your reaction to, “No, I best not do this because there’s likely going to be a big consequence.” And in that, the subjective is actually, in a manner of speaking, protecting you. It’s expressing, “You know you shouldn’t do this. (Chuckles) And if you do this, you’re going to create a big consequence.” Because YOU create the consequence. Nothing else. And therefore you would be creating a big consequence and you wouldn’t like it.
And therefore that’s also an excellent example of listening to it, because you didn’t only have the dream but you listened to what it was saying, as you would with intuition. Which people don’t generally do that either. They don’t listen to their dreams as they would with their intuition. They think, “My dreams are symbolic. I don’t quite know what they mean, and even if I do know what they mean it’s not about doing that in waking life.” And in that, it IS about (chuckles) doing that in waking life. That’s the point. And that’s why we’re doing this exercise this day, to acquaint you with how these two aspects of yourselves move together and how you communicate to yourselves and in that, how you can use that information and that communication to make intentional choices in your lives. Not necessarily based on fear, but that you can intentionally be choosing in your lives to not only empower yourselves but to move in directions that you want to move in, that you’re comfortable with, that you’re happy with, that you are content with in your lives rather than being distressed or afraid or dissatisfied or uncomfortable, but creating a life in which you are content and happy and you’re moving in a flow.
We’ve discussed flow. And I would say that many of you have forgotten what that was all about, or how to do it. (Laughs) But—
DENISE: How amusing for you dead guys. (Group laughter)
ELIAS: Of course! (Laughs) Absolutely! And you are. (Laughs)
Now; I would say I will do two more. One, yes?
CHRISTINA: Okay, so (group laughter) mine is a recurring dream as well.
ELIAS: Ah! You see how common they are?
CHRISTINA: And in this one, I’m always in high school. And I don’t know my schedule and there’s something about having to go to the office to get my schedule, but I never go to class all year long and then I realize at the end of the year that I haven’t gone to class.
DENISE: Oh my god! That dream!
DANIEL: That’s my dream. (Group laughter)
CHRISTINA: And then the other part of the dream is that I always forget my locker combination and I’m very stressed about it. And then when I get, finally get to my locker, I’m able to open it.
ELIAS: And any impressions?
CHRISTINA: Um... I really think that it has to do with my abilities in waking life and trusting myself and confidence. That’s what I would… That’s my impression.
ELIAS: When did you start having this recurring dream?
CHRISTINA: Oh, good question. Probably twenty years ago.
ELIAS: When was the last time you had it?
CHRISTINA: I knew you were going to ask me that. (Elias laughs) And I don’t think I’ve had one this year, so…
ELIAS: Good. I’d say that it’s more about what you can accomplish than what you’re not accomplishing. In that, you don’t remember your schedule and then you don’t go to class for the entire year, but you still (chuckle) accomplished, regardless that you didn’t go to class all year. You’re fretting about it, but there’s actually nothing to fret about because you already are accomplishing. And even when you go to your locker, you open it fine regardless. And therefore each part of the dream is actually you expressing to yourself, “Regardless of what things look like, I’m still moving forward. I’m still accomplishing anyway.”
This is a good example of what almost all of you do frequently, is you look at imagery and you automatically think there’s something wrong. You automatically think it’s bad and that’s not necessarily correct. That it’s a matter of looking at the imagery that you present to yourselves a little closer, and looking at that in relation to what you think and feel also and in that, noticing what you’re actually doing in looking at the imagery a little closer. That it doesn’t matter that you’re not doing something that you’re traditionally supposed to do, that you’re accomplishing anyway. Therefore it matters not. And in that, that is an excellent message that you’re giving to yourself about not doubting yourself, and allowing yourself to trust yourself.
CHRISTINA: Okay. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
ELIAS: And do you all see that correlation? And how that is that subjective aspect of trusting yourself and not doubting yourself? Do you see that or do you not?
DENISE: The accomplishment is opening the locker after not going to class? Is that…?
ANN: Yeah, I didn’t get the accomplishment part either.
ELIAS: That she’s accomplishing—
ANN: In her objective life?
ELIAS: Yes.
ANN: Okay.
ELIAS: Regardless of whether she’s going to those classes or not. That’s the traditional expression of the expectation, that you have to do this and then you can accomplish. No, not necessarily. You don’t necessarily have to go to all of those classes to accomplish what you want to accomplish. You don’t necessarily have to have your combination to open your locker.
ANN: Ah, okay. Okay.
ELIAS: You don’t have to have the prerequisite to accomplish what you want to accomplish. This is actually, for many people, huge because people have these prerequisites for many things in their lives: “I can’t create a business for myself until I have this amount of money,” “I can’t purchase a new vehicle until I have this amount of money,” “I can’t do this action until I have this amount of education.” There are lots of expressions in your lives, lots of subjects that you think you can’t do unless you have these prerequisites and that’s not true. It doesn’t matter what it is. If you set your sights on something and you choose to do it, you can. Ah! What was Michael’s talk about today?
DENISE: If she can do it, you can do it.
ELIAS: About setting sights in a particular direction. And there was no prerequisite, it was simply doing it. And in that, that is a very large subject for a lot of people. It’s very difficult for them to move in directions that they want to move in, without something first. And this is telling you, you don’t have to have that something first. (Chuckles)
And the last one, let me see. You.
JEFF: All right! It’s about time. (Group laughter and chatter) This is just so teaching, because I’ve spent the entire session just missing half of it, just rehearsing what I want to say. (Group laughter and chatter) I’m going to be auditioning, so… (Group laughter)
Okay, I’m going to go with what I dreamt last night. I set a dream intention to just be my genuine self today, be comfortable around everyone, to be me, just to be satisfied and content and not just grinding, looking for topics of conversation and the formalities, but just … Like I want to be me, which I don’t really know what it is, but working on it.
So a dream that came to me last night, there I was on a golf course with an individual that I know, that I kind of look up to as someone who seems successful in the business world, is chatty, can interact with anyone, very likeable, plugged into what’s going on in the common world, politics, sports, business. And I’m kind of the opposite. So we’re walking along this golf course. We’re not playing golf, so we shouldn’t be out there, walking laterally across the fairways. There are other golfers there. I’m concerned that we shouldn’t be out there because it’s not appropriate. And he jumps into a sand trap bunker, turns around and takes a piss. (Group laughter) I’m thinking this is not appropriate, okay. This is exposure. But at least he’s not exposing himself to all the golfers. There is a bit of appropriateness, but this is being genuine because if you’ve got to go, you’ve got to go and you’ve got to go. So we keep walking and other golfers are coming towards us. They’re hitting balls towards us and I’m concerned about getting hit with a golf ball, and golfers being angry that we are on the golf course. You know, “What are you guys doing?” And we keep walking and a guy hits a golf ball over my head and it goes off to the right. And rather than being upset with me for being in his way, being on the golf course, he asks, “Oh! I’ve lost sight of my ball. Can you help me find my ball?” So I helped him find the golf ball and that’s all I remember.
ELIAS: (Laughs) Almost the opposite of what you were thinking before you went to sleep. (Chuckles) And your impression?
JEFF: Ah. Impression was this person I was with, that is kind of being the example of just being genuine and just doing what felt right and not being concerned with other people’s perceptions, just “If I have to go, I have to go.”
ELIAS: And your impression of you?
JEFF: Ah. Oh, I would like to be… I probably wouldn’t do that on a golf course, even if I was very self-aware. But it’s just… Yeah. Movement in that direction, and things aren’t as they same, and that the golfer was not mad at me for being out there but was seeking my help and wanted my opinion on where the ball was. So there was that surprise aspect.
ELIAS: Very well. Very well. And what I would say in relation to this dream is, this dream is a response to what you had set as an intention. Therefore this is also a good example, because it’s directly correlating with your objective awareness and intention. And in that, your subjective is moving with that but giving you a contrast. Therefore giving you the expression of what is generally you, and what your perception is and what you think about, and then giving you the imagery of, or the imagery to be translated, of something that you perceive is free – but that’s not actually free.
Being free doesn’t mean that you move completely contrary to whatever your society and your community is. Being free is you allowing yourself to express yourself but also if you’re not comfortable with the guidelines of certain things in your society, then to change that. To change the society that you participate with or to change certain aspects OF the society, but not to move in a direction of being contrary. Not to move in an expression of oblivious.
And this is also an excellent example dream, because many people think that freedom is moving in an opposite direction of what they don’t like or they don’t care about, or that freedom is expressing themselves at all costs or in every situation in a capacity that has no filters. That that is ultimate freedom. It isn’t ultimate freedom, because in objective life and objective terms, you will make consequences for those types of expressions. Because they are contrary and because you live in a world with rules.
And in that, what your dream is expressing to you, what your subjective is expressing to you, is balance, is it’s not one or the other. It’s not black or white. It’s not one extreme or the other. It’s balance, and that it’s about you finding your balance in whatever situation that you’re in. I would say to you that you have actually experienced that in the recent two years, in relation to family and your home and moving more in your direction, but also considering your family members and moving in what’s moving in what’s more comfortable for you in increments. And you may not have that entirely yet, but not many people do. And I would say that it’s important that you can look at what IS important to you, and that piece of balance is important to you. And that’s something that I’m aware that holds enough importance that you seek that in yourself. And I would say that this is the objective and the subjective balancing in that dream for you. Do you see that?
JEFF: I do now. (Group laughter)
ELIAS: Excellent. Excellent. And what of the rest of you? Can you see how the objective and the subjective are moving in that direction of displaying a balance?
(To Karen) And you’re making a strange face.
KAREN: No. The dream to me seems like it was a journey of balance. Like in the beginning there was a lot of apprehension, but by the end when the golfer came up to Jeff asking for instructions, there seemed to be like a resolution.
ELIAS: Yes.
KAREN: Right? Okay.
ELIAS: Yes. I agree. Any other interjections?
DENISE: Can you recap all these actions we’ve covered today? Like there was validation, there was encouragement, there was demonstration. Tom’s played out a choice that you didn’t want to follow. Can you generalize the actions that have been discussed?
ELIAS: I’d say that that will be very obvious to you when you re-listen to this conversation. (Group laughter)
LYNDA: You knew that was coming. (Group laughter)
ANN: Can I just say that after you interpreted everyone’s dreams and then it’s like okay, it makes sense because you just told us. But when you’re not here to tell us—
ELIAS: These are examples. Yes. I know. I am aware. But that’s the point, is that I’m expressing all these different examples with you so that you can think about it, so that you can pay attention in a different capacity – not only to your dreams, but pay attention to what you’re doing objectively because there’s no separation of the objective and the subjective. Therefore they’re both included and in action together in every choice that you make.
Therefore the point of all of this is to give you an illustration of how they move together through dreams, because that’s the easiest illustration, but also to encourage you to pay attention to the choices that you’re making every day and to encourage you to be aware of what you’re doing, because your subjective aspect of yourself is involved in all of that, what you’re doing. And in that, the point is to be more intentional and to be expressing all of your choices in a capacity that you know what you’re doing. You’re not simply doing something by rote and therefore you’re doing things intentionally and you’re not creating what you term to be as accidents. Which aren’t actually accidents.
Yes?
LETTY: So one of my issues is going through everybody I’m glad you didn’t call on me. I don’t remember my dreams, like 99.9% of the time. It’s like I wake up and I know I dreamt, I know there was something, activity happening. Sometimes I wake up with a feeling, but blind to what the story of my dream was. Every once in a while I do, but like I said, that .9%
ELIAS: I would ask you several questions. One, do you incorporate any type of medications?
LETTY: Yes. For asthma.
ELIAS: Ah. That will do it. Also, what is your nightly ritual?
LETTY: A bad one. (Group laughter)
ELIAS: A bad one?
LETTY: Yeah. Because I’ll drink wine, maybe one or two glasses, I watch television and then I go to bed and then I watch my phone or read on my phone, and then finally fall asleep. And then I wake up every two hours or three hours, and there’s a lot of other stuff that we’re going to discuss tomorrow. (Group laughter)
ELIAS: Very well. Very well. And in that, then I will give you some tips in relation to dreaming. You always dream.
LETTY: Yes, I know that.
ELIAS: But the factor that you can’t recall them is something else. And yes, there are reasons that that recall of dreams can be affected.
Yes?
MICHAEL: I was wondering if there are resources, maybe in your past sessions, where you go into in detail how we can better lucid dream or uncover different dimensions of lucid dreaming, or other resources that you’re aware of?
ELIAS: I have discussed lucid dreaming, but not much about how to do it. I’d say that lucid dreaming is generally something that people do at the end point of a dream. You don’t do that throughout a dream. You think you do, but you actually don’t. And therefore it’s a matter of being able to move into that state which is almost waking. Therefore I’d say if you intentionally awaken yourself but then let yourself go back to sleep, that is one avenue that you can practice with lucid dreaming because you’re more likely to be able to do it in that period of time, if you don’t wake yourself up fully, if you’re partially awake and you immediately go back to sleep. Many people dream clearly when they wake up to go to the bathroom and then they go back to bed and they have these clear dreams. I’d say that there are certain substances that are also helpful, which there are individuals in this forum that can aid you with that, with certain dosages of mushrooms. That can be helpful also.
MICHAEL: Thanks.
ELIAS: You are very welcome.
CRISTINA: What about vitamin B6?
ELIAS: Not necessarily.
CRISTINA: No?
ELIAS: But then again, I would say genuinely, anything you believe will work will work. Therefore that is, I would say, across the board. Genuinely ANYTHING that you believe is going to be successful will be successful, because you believe it.
MELISSA: Elias, what do we have in common, all of us in this group? (Group laughter and chatter)
ELIAS: I’d say that what all of you in this group have in common is a genuine want to know about the interplay of this objective and subjective and how to do it, and how to benefit from it in relation to choices.
Very well, my friends. I express such tremendous love to each and every one of you, and dear, dear friendship as always. Until our next meeting, au revoir.
GROUP: Au revoir.
(Elias departs after 1 hour and 24 minutes. Total session time was 2 hours and 19 minutes)
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