Self-Awareness and the Expression of Energy
Topics:
“Self-Awareness and the Expression of Energy”
“Definition of Awareness”
“You Choose Everything”
“Surface People, Thinkers and Physical Manifestations”
Tuesday, October 21, 2025 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Jean (Lyla)
“What am I doing that is making this happen? What am I choosing that is making this happen? That question of choice is significant, because this is not generally what people think about. It's not what they automatically are going to question, because they don't think that many of these things are a choice.”
[Audio begins partway through session]
JEAN: You had said ‘way back when, in the early sessions in talking about health and healing, you had said people that are more connected to their self-awareness tend to have more physical manifestations. Can you explain that? (Elias chuckles) Or wait a minute, people that are more connected to their subjective awareness tend to have more physical manifestations. But could you replace self-awareness with subjective awareness?
ELIAS: Or not replace but include, yes.
JEAN: Mm-hm. Okay.
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN: Can you explain that?
ELIAS: First of all, remember: energy will always be expressed. You can try to contain it for limited amounts of time, but it can't be contained forever. It will always be expressed.
When people are not self-aware, when they are not as aware of their subjective expressions and how the subjective plays into your choices, people, humans, have a tendency to point fingers. Humans move in a direction of throwing that energy outward towards other things: other people, other beings, other things. Blame is one of your automatic expressions when you are less self-aware, and definitely less aware of your subjective interactive action with your choices.
The more you become aware of yourself, of you, the more you also become aware of your subjective part in your choices. And in that, the more responsible you become to you, meaning you are aware of your interconnectedness with everything else and every other being. You are aware of what you do, and what you pay attention to creates more of that, and you're aware that you CAN make intentional choices. And in making intentional choices, you would be more inclined to express that energy at times in relation to yourself, rather than projecting it outward.
Now; this is also part of why we are moving in the direction of exploring that subjective aspect of yourselves. Because you're not clear about that part of you yet, and therefore what you're doing is you're manifesting that energy that will be expressed in something with yourself, rather than projecting it outward.
JEAN: Because let me say, the next question along these lines is: why is it that with myself, the more I am progressing in self-awareness and rippling out and stuff, my physical manifestations are getting worse?
ELIAS: That's not unusual.
JEAN: Okay.
ELIAS: I would say that… Let me ask you this: do you notice in yourself that you have less of a tendency to become angry at other people?
JEAN: Absolutely.
ELIAS: Do you notice with yourself that you have more patience?
JEAN: Oh, unequivocally.
ELIAS: Do you notice with yourself that you have more compassion for others?
JEAN: Unbelievable, Elias.
ELIAS: Whether they are humans or otherwise?
JEAN: Absolutely.
ELIAS: That's why you have more manifestation with yourself. You are moving in a direction of that interconnectedness, but you don't quite know what to do with the energy that you have that isn't being expressed in those other directions: the blame, the anger, the angst, the judgments, the lack of compassion, all of these energies that you are used to and that you have been expressing throughout your life.
This is all energy that is familiar to you, and it doesn't simply disappear. This is the part about learning more about yourself, about that subjective part of you that has always been in play, and has always been a part of your choices. But now all that energy that you were accustomed to expressing in different manners, as it didn't simply disappear, it has to go somewhere. And because you're not necessarily aware and informed in relation to that subjective part of your choices, your choices move in automatic directions of, in a manner of speaking, letting the subjective express that energy in automatic directions that are more of its domain, in a manner of speaking.
JEAN: The body consciousness?
ELIAS: Yes.
Now; understand that unfortunately in relation to language and in relation to what you objectively understand, a lot of this is very figurative. Because I'm speaking to you as if your subjective awareness is something else or that it's separate from your objective awareness, and it's not. But for the purpose of understanding initially, this is the manner in which it will make sense to you.
Now; in relation to that, if you objectively are giving your subjective part of you free reign to engage that energy and express that energy in its domain, it's going to use your body. It's a matter of you are going to express the energy with yourself, rather than with anything outside of yourself. Now it's a matter of learning how to not hurt yourself with that energy.
Energy is powerful. And in that, it's meant to be expressed outward. Otherwise, you do hurt yourself because it has to go somewhere. It has to be expressed in some manner. Your body is finite. It's a contained object. Therefore if you're expressing energy in relation to your body, it's very similar to putting it in a container. And what happens with that is your body can't contain that much energy, and therefore what does it do? It creates signals – feelings, pain. It's the same as emotional signals. They're physical signals, but it's all the same.
All signals are coming from your body, and they're all alerting you to something that you're not entirely aware of. That's what feelings are for. They're to be signals to alert you.
And in relation to this situation, it's a matter of that energy being contained in the body. And the pain is your signal, alerting you to choices you're making every day, hour by hour, moment by moment, that are continuing to perpetuate that pain. And that's the reason that hour by hour you're feeling pain or discomfort. And with every movement that you make, you feel another burst of that feeling, that discomfort, that pain. Because you're moving physically; but physical movement is the same as mental and emotional movement.
It's all the same. It's all energy. It's all you making choices and moving. And in that, you take a step and your hip hurts. And you take another step, and your hip hurts. And it's constantly giving you that signal. And what are you doing with the signal? Nothing. Noticing it, paying attention to it, making the choice to do it more because you're paying attention to it, but you're not doing anything else except paying attention to it. Therefore it keeps happening, and you keep paying attention to it, and then you are moving in this circle, circle, circle, circle, and it doesn't change.
And then you move in a new direction, such as your antique shopping and giving yourself the information about making your house a home. And you're moving in a new direction, and your body is moving also. Well, you've already contained the energy in your hip. Your hip can't hold any more energy. It's already full, and it's already screaming at you, and you're already giving yourself signals with that. Therefore you'll choose another part of your body.
JEAN: Oh yeah, it's the left hip now.
ELIAS: Ah! Both of them?
JEAN: Yeah.
ELIAS: Excellent.
JEAN: Oh, isn't that wonderful?
ELIAS: I'd say that that’s very—
JEAN: And a spastic bladder.
ELIAS: Ah!
JEAN: Oh, yeah.
ELIAS: Ah! Yes. Affect your organs, affect your bones, affect your muscles. You have quite a few areas in your body that you can be affecting. You can move through your entire body, make ALL of it be uncomfortable and then give yourself headaches to (Jean laughs) top it off. (Jean laughs)
I'd say that in this, it's a matter of this part, which we will be moving into very soon, about looking at you as a whole. That the objective and the subjective are not separate things. They're a whole. They're one unit of awareness.
And in that, think about the word “awareness.” What does that mean? That, it's not the same as attention. You can be paying attention to many things and not be aware of them. You can be paying attention to your hip and not be aware of what you're doing. Therefore, it's first and foremost a matter of looking at that word, that term, “being aware.” What does that mean, to be aware?
And in that, then taking that awareness and moving in the direction of applying that in relation to what you're doing, what your choices are. Because the pain in your hip, or the stiffness or the lack of mobility with it, is ALL a matter of choices. You're choosing that, and you're choosing it not only day by day, but hour by hour and moment by moment. And there are moments, if you are actually paying attention and being aware, that it doesn't hurt and that there is no signal. And then there are moments in which there are screaming signals, and it varies.
This is a matter of the differences of choices. And what do you base choices on? Many of them you don't even think about; therefore, it's not about thought. What do you base choices on? You base choices on what you're paying attention to and information that you already have. That doesn't mean you have to think about it. It simply means that you hold a tremendous volume of information, and you use it to generate choices. As a simple example, you have information based on experience already that if you move in certain manners to prepare yourself to sit and then stand, your hip is going to hurt.
JEAN: Bingo!
ELIAS: That's information you already have, and it's based in experience. And in that, you make the choice, before you even do it, to generate that action of pain and present that signal to yourself again when you move yourself into the position of sitting. And when you stand, you're going to give yourself another signal, because you're choosing to stand and generate that pain again.
You're making a choice in every movement. But what is that choice based in? It's not only based in the information of prior experience of the pain itself. There's something else that motivates that pain. There's something else that motivates you to CHOOSE that.
JEAN: I'm all ears, Elias.
ELIAS: I'm sure.
JEAN: I'm pulling my ears apart for you to see! I'm all fucking ears! (Elias chuckles) I'm elephant ears now! [Wiggling my fingers beside my ears to make them appear larger]
ELIAS: I understand, but what do YOU see? This has to do with prior experience, not simply prior experience with your hip. It has to do with other prior experiences that you're choosing repeatedly. What does pain do for you? That is the question: what does it do FOR you? And in that, what does the infirmity—
JEAN: So you're saying that there's, somehow, there's a payoff?
ELIAS: Oh, there's definitely a payoff.
JEAN: When we have pain, there is a payoff?
ELIAS: There's a payoff to everything or you wouldn’t do it.
JEAN: And so is this the direction you're going in?
ELIAS: Oh, absolutely.
JEAN: Expectations. If I have pain, there's going to be less expectations. We've talked about that before, from outside sources on me and expectations of myself, for, on myself. Because Elias, I've been playing with this concept that what you're saying, I'll say, “Okay, I know, I believe, when I take the next step, it's going to hurt. So take a step as if you didn't believe it, or get up off the couch as if you didn't believe there would be pain.”
ELIAS: But you still believe it.
JEAN: But right, it's matter of believing. So this is what we're getting at now,
ELIAS: Partially, but it's also matter of what does it do for you? What does it allow you to avoid? What is that thing that you're avoiding that's more important than the pain?
JEAN: Is this a cobra? [Note 1]
ELIAS: Yes. Therefore in that, it's a matter of recognizing that there's something that you're holding that you're not seeing yet. That the pain or the infirmity – because it's not only pain, it also limits your movement – and that limitation and that pain is worth it, because it allows you to avoid something else. And that something else is bigger and more important.
Now; let me express to you, that something else might not be bigger and more important NOW in your life, but it was at some point and you're still using it. You're still doing it, even though you might not want to. It’s automatic. Therefore, there's something NOW in your reality that has touched those memories. That's the trigger: touching memories.
Therefore something now, and it might not be something huge. It might not even be something that appears to be in proportion with the pain that you're experiencing, because it comes from something that's been touched, some other experiences that are prior to now that have been touched, and therefore the automatic response – and it's made more intense, because you're not expressing out – is to create the physical manifestation, some type of physical manifestation, to avoid whatever that bigger thing is.
Now; understand. Just as we had discussed previously about the horse and the roommate, and the individual that you were so uncomfortable with because he was, in a manner of speaking, threatening you and you were so distressed and you ran away to be by yourself, that still is a physical manifestation. Even though it's emotional pain, it's physical also. You feel it physically. In that, at that point you will feel it for a time intensely in your body, all over your body and centered in your solar plexus and in your throat and in your head, but you'll also express it outward: “I hate this person. I blame this person. They're mean. They don't understand and they're cruel.” You don't realize it, but that energy is going outward, and it's diminishing that intensity of everything you're feeling physically.
Whatever you feel emotionally, you're feeling physically. And when you are less self-aware, you're pushing it out. You're moving that energy as much as you're moving, running out of the room, running to that secluded area that you could be by yourself. You're also moving that energy OUT, as much as you're moving.
With this, you're not moving as much. You're holding it. It's not moving out and you're not moving much. You move slower. You move more carefully. You're more methodical. And the more you do that, the more the pain is there.
In that, I'm not expressing to you to run down the street. I'm merely expressing the explanation of what is happening.
[The timer for the end of the first session rings]
JEAN: Let's stop here and continue.
ELIAS: Very well.
JEAN: I'm blown away.
ELIAS: (Chuckles) Very well. I will re-engage you in a moment.
JEAN: Thank you.
[Session 202510212 Excerpt begins]
ELIAS: Continuing.
JEAN: My question to you is something else that I had written down along these lines. You had told me once, in a very powerful dream that I had of my mother being hit by a car and holding a picture of family next to her, and I said… and you said: “My mother hid things from me. She hurt me and she was not honest with me.” And could some of these things that cause people to create… Well, I'm asking specifically for me, things that I've blocked memories of?
ELIAS: Yes. But what I would say is, it's more likely that it's a matter of things or experiences that you ARE aware of, that you're aware of and that you've generalized. Meaning that you can look at certain things that you're creating. Let's use a very simple example. Let's say that you manifest a cold. And you can tell yourself, “I know why I did that. I know why I made myself have a cold,” and you can point to specific reasons, or a specific reason, why you created that cold. Let's say, as a simple example, that you tell yourself you created that cold because you needed rest and that you wanted a break from work, and therefore you created a cold. But you're creating something that is somewhat making yourself miserable. And you're doing it every day, every hour, every moment, except for moments that you distract yourself considerably and then you don't feel it.
Therefore in that, it's not that you, let us say, don't know why you created it, in a manner of speaking. But you're not looking at the details. You're simply looking at the overview, the generalization. You're not looking at what you're doing every day and what you're doing every hour, what you're choosing. You're not looking at choices. You're simply expressing to yourself, “I know why I created that.” You’re using these words in a manner that are so familiar that they don't mean anything anymore.
The word “created,” you don't even think about that. If you changed the words, “I know why I did this to myself,” it's still a generalization but it feels different. Because now you're expressing that you've DONE something to yourself. When you say, “I know why I created this,” what does that even mean to you? It doesn't really hold much meaning. But then, when you move in a direction of being more specific and looking at the details more, what are you doing hour to hour? What are you choosing? In that, if you even asked yourself what were you choosing by choosing a cold, most individuals don't think in those terms: “I’m not choosing a cold, I got a cold. I created a cold.” They don't even know (chuckles) what that means to them.
But choice is something different. Choice you think of as intentional. It's not always intentional. Actually, a good portion of time you're making choices that are not intentional, because you're not even aware of the choices that you're making. You're simply doing it by rote.
In this, it's not always something that you've blocked or that you're not aware of. Many times, the things that you are creating are familiar to you and that you do have an objective awareness of in part, but you're not looking at whatever it is that you're creating as a choice that you are generating constantly. You think about physical manifestations in a capacity of you create something, and “then it takes its course.” You're not choosing that every moment. You chose it, perhaps, to begin with, but then it simply is, after that. You might be able to tell yourself that you chose to affect your hip or both hips, but after that it simply moves in its own direction. Your body is doing it. You're not doing it, because your body is separate from you and (chuckles) it does what it wants to do. You don't do that. If you are infected by something, you didn't do that. You didn't even choose it. Something infected you.
No, you choose everything. But this is the point, is that you choose everything in relation to those aspects of awareness, objective and subjective together as one thing. And in that, the subjective aspect of your “choosing mechanism” is the part of you that you have much less of an awareness of.
That part of you, that part of your choosing mechanism, you somewhat lost touch with at a very, very young age. All of you did, because you're in an environment with other people, and from a very young age most of those other people are older than you, and most of those other people are people that you are going to try to emulate, regardless of whether they are harmful to you or not, because they are your examples. They are what you look to for information about what to do and how to be, whether they are surface individuals and you're not, or whether they are thinkers and you're not, or whether they are surface individuals and you are, or whether they're thinkers and you are also. It doesn't matter. You're going to automatically try to be like the people around you to fit in, because everyone wants to be a part of.
That's natural. You are ALL interconnected! You WANT to be interconnected. You want to be A PART OF. You’re social beings. That is a natural inclination. And therefore, you're going to do what the others do.
Now; as a small one, that can be interpreted in many different manners. And even as a small one, let us say with thinkers as parents, you're not going to evaluate that in a capacity of “this should make you more aware.” You're going to interpret that as an action that they do, so you should do. You're not going to interpret that as continuing to be aware of your whole self with your subjective and objective. You're going to look at their example, and you're going to evaluate it on a level, let us say, that is simple… because you're a child, because you're a small one and you're learning.
You don't already know what to do or how to be, because you don't bring that with you when you manifest. You do bring with you an awareness of your whole self, but that's very quickly squashed. And not necessarily intentionally, but it's squashed nonetheless because you're encouraged to “do as you're taught.” Whether what you are taught is, in your estimation later good or bad, that's what you are instructed to do: do as you're taught. Do as you're taught by your parents, by your siblings, by your extended family, and then by your teachers.
And in that, you are not encouraged to “do as your being” until long after you have finished school, because you're still being taught “Do as you're taught” in jobs. Therefore unless you reach a point in which you have some reason to question that, you'll keep doing it. And the more self-aware you become, the closer you move in the direction of questioning: “Why am I only doing what I'm taught? What about me? Where is the part about my being, instead of only what I'm taught?”
And that doesn't actually matter whether you are a surface individual or a thinker. Eventually if you are expanding your self-awareness, you will reach a point of questioning that and wanting to move in a direction of YOUR being and what is important to you and what YOU value. And that's the part that, once you begin moving in that direction of becoming more self-aware, eventually that leads you to being aware of your whole self, which includes that subjective aspect of you. You can only move so far without including that.
And most of you have moved to that point now, which is why I'm moving in the direction of giving you information about that, because you've moved to the point of being more self-aware, wanting to move in that direction, recognizing your interconnectedness. And what's next? And what motivates me to make the choices that I make, that I seem to be unaware of?
And in that, I'd say that yes, thinkers have a tendency to generate more physical manifestations – not all of them – but in general, I would say that that's more common with thinkers. But some surface people do that also, because that's how they communicate to themselves. But they've been doing that likely for most of their lives, not in a more recent time framework of being more self-aware.
I'd say, as you expressed yourself, the more self-aware you become the more you are generating physical manifestations. This is not something that you've done your entire life.
JEAN: Exactly.
ELIAS: That's what I'm expressing as somewhat of a distinction, that individuals that are surface individuals that are creating physical manifestations, they likely have been creating some type of physical manifestations throughout their life. It's not something new. It might be more intense, or they might create more of it, but it's not something that is a new development, let us say.
JEAN: Interesting. I think of my mother in that sense, created significant manifestations throughout her entire life.
ELIAS: Yes.
Now; of course, there are exceptions. This is a generalization. And some individuals do create physical manifestations that are thinkers, and they will notice that their manifestations may be much more intense as they become more self-aware. Which is also something that with any of you will motivate you to want to know why and how to make it stop.
But people don't always create physical manifestations with their bodies as they become more self-aware. They may do it in regard to relationships and be presenting more difficulties for themselves in regard to relationships, or move in a direction of less understanding of relationships and thinking: “This used to be so easy. Why now is my relationship so difficult?” or “Why now am I feeling the feelings that I have in regard to my relationship? I never thought about these things or felt these things before.”
JEAN: Fascinating.
ELIAS: Because the more self-aware you become, the more you become aware of the factor of choices. You might not be aware that these are your choices that are creating this situation, but you become more aware of the factor of choices. Therefore it may be more that you're aware of other people's choices that are affecting you, or in your perception you think that they're affecting you and that you didn't have this problem previously. But now it seems that other people's choices are affecting you more and more, and you might not like it. And you likely wouldn't like it, and then you want to know how to make that stop. Therefore, it's not only a matter of physical manifestations in the body; it's physical manifestations in many capacities. Some people might create physical manifestations that don't involve other people. Some people might create physical manifestations with animals or with machinery.
JEAN: Can you give examples or something on that?
ELIAS: Some people might be creating physical manifestations in which they don't understand, but their vehicle keeps breaking. They get flat tires, they have mechanical breaks, they're constantly taking their vehicle to the mechanic and it's costing them a considerable amount of money, and they don't like it. And it doesn't matter, they buy a new car, and the new car has problems and is breaking and is getting nails in the tires and there seems to be no end in sight to all of this mechanical disasters. And once again, the more aware they're becoming, the more they are generating this energy that will influence them to question, and to then discover what choices they're engaging that will be influencing all of these things to happen.
JEAN: Can you give an example with a creature as well?
ELIAS: Yes. I would say that perhaps an individual has an animal – a bird, a cat, a dog – that has been a wonderful loving companion for years, and suddenly it's appearing to be obnoxious. It is engaging actions that it never did before. It's breaking things or it's making noise that is annoying and that it never used to do before, and it's not as affectionate as it used to be.
The energy has to go somewhere, and it might not be aimed at someone else, but it might be bouncing around your house and irritating the animal that lives with you or making that animal very restless. And in that, it's going to also influence you to question: “Why is this happening?” Of course, I will express, once again, the “Why?” question will lead you nowhere.
JEAN: It’s the “What.”
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN: What am I doing?
ELIAS: “What am I doing that is making this happen? What am I choosing that is making this happen?” That question of choice is significant, because this is not generally what people think about. It's not what they automatically are going to question, because they don't think that many of these things are a choice.
If your bird is screeching a lot and it never used to do that before, people are not going to think of that as a choice, especially a choice that involves them: “What am I doing that's influencing the bird to be screeching? I'm not doing anything. I'm not doing anything different than I've always done. I get up in the morning, I shower, I have coffee, I eat breakfast, I do my work. I do this action; I do that action. I'm doing everything the same as I've always done. Choice? Where does that come into the scenario? This is not about choice. None of these things are about choice. It's simply what it is. And especially in relation to my bird screeching, that's not a choice, and it's definitely not a choice I'm making. If I'm making a choice, it's to tell the bird to be quiet.”
JEAN: Let me ask you right now: why has Mimi become more active? She's staring at me. I mean, inside I'm going, “Oh my god, this is fascinating. This is making more sense. And things are clicking.” And now the dogs are active, not in an agitated, but in… like she (Sadie) wants to play. And Mimi is wanting—
ELIAS: Affectionate.
JEAN: – affectionate.
ELIAS: Because the energy that you are expressing is inviting.
JEAN: (Whispers) Wow!
ELIAS: Which is also a choice: “What am I doing? Everything I'm doing is a choice.”
JEAN: And I'm not consciously aware that I am choosing to be inviting.
ELIAS: (Lowers voice) That's the other half of you.
JEAN: That's the subjective awareness. (Elias nods yes) And you're going to start teaching us how to… (Elias continues to nod)
You know, these five pages of notes, I'm just going to flip them in the air (Elias laughs) because most of the stuff that I've asked will all be addressed to with this new information.
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN: I just want to give you the floor (Elias chuckles) and just listen, because I want to share this in preparation, with people in preparation for the group session. I feel that it's a tremendous foundation to what you're going to be discussing. And it's like you said, we've been doing this for thousands and thousands and thousands of years. That's why we've had disease, conflict, war. It's mind-blowing, Elias!
ELIAS: Yes. And it all has to do with what you're aware of. And that's the reason I have expressed such an emphasis on expanding self-awareness, because that is what is going to move you in a direction of being able to live intentional lives, and THAT is what I have been expressing from the very beginning.
JEAN: I think this ties into what you've told me once, that once you realize who you truly are, you can create anything you want to create.
ELIAS: Correct.
JEAN: And I've been thinking about that and thinking about that and thinking about that, and doing all this work with you, and there's still some pieces yet to come. I don't want to keep beating myself up because I haven't figured it out yet.
ELIAS: Don’t.
JEAN: Okay.
ELIAS: Don’t. (Chuckles) That is such a pointless direction. And so many people move in that expression, and it's pointless. It's a matter of simply recognizing that you will give yourself the information and you will be aware, as you are ready to receive it. When you give yourself too much information at one time, what happens?
JEAN: You overload.
ELIAS: And what do you do?
JEAN: You just… You don't process it.
ELIAS: Correct.
JEAN: Yeah.
ELIAS: And many of you begin repeat thinking, because you don't know what else to do. Because you can't assimilate it as quickly as you've been given it, and therefore you repeat think and think and think and think, and “If I think enough, I'll figure this out.” And you don't, because it's not how you're designed. You're designed – or you designed yourselves – to flow. And that’s not compatible, let us say, with pushing and thinking, thinking, thinking and working at something.
You give yourselves examples of that flow when you walk away from something that you are working at, or thinking, thinking, thinking, and then when you return to it, it all makes sense. I'd say that this is the part about recognizing that what is important is beginning to see yourself not in parts, but beginning to see yourself as a whole, one unit. That's who you are and what you are. You're not all these parts,
JEAN: The Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. (Elias chuckles) As you talked about in one of Jason’s sessions, we tend to view ourselves as a body versus a mind and versus… What was the other one? We tend to view body separate from mind, separate from spirit or something.
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN: And not realizing that…
ELIAS: It's all one.
JEAN: That's all, the whole thing, Father, Son and the Holy Ghost, we've moved in three separate things. Yeah.
ELIAS: Yes. And I would say that you've been moving in the direction of the tremendous separation for long enough. You're shifting. That doesn't mean that you're eliminating separation. You're not, because you exist in a body and you exist in a world with things. But within yourself, you can move in a direction of recognizing that there are certain things that it doesn't serve you to separate, such as subjective, objective, and the big one, essence, that that's something else. That's something outside of you, the higher self, the greater self, that thing that orchestrates for you or that is bigger than you. That you're not quite sure how you fit in with that thing that is the bigger thing, but it's definitely not you. It's definitely something else, something cosmic.
JEAN: Oh yeah!
ELIAS: And somewhere cosmic, that you don't quite know where that is or what it is, but it's definitely some cosmic entity out there somewhere. No, it's not. (Chuckles) It's you. It's always been you.
And in that, that's what this is about. It's about moving in the direction of recognizing you as a whole, as one entity. You're not separate from your body. You're not separate from your choices. You're not separate from your essence. You ARE all those things. And your objective and subjective are simply two facets of one mechanism. (Pause) Two gears in one clock. I'd say that this is a very important point to be recognizing, that this is a piece of moving in the direction of less separation.
JEAN: And this is something that we can all attain to, all of us that are engaging you, especially those that are really engaging you and doing this really tough work. This is something that we can know in this lifetime?
ELIAS: Oh, definitely.
JEAN: Because sometimes it's so easy to get frustrated and say, “Well, I'll never reach that, but at least I'm paving the way for other people in the future.”
ELIAS: Or “I'll know it when I'm dead.”
JEAN: Yeah, or something like that. And I'm kind of like, well, fuck that. I'm not Mother Teresa. I want it now. And we can do that, those of us that are engaging—
ELIAS: Absolutely. Yes.
JEAN: Okay.
ELIAS: If you couldn't, I wouldn't continue to be talking to you.
JEAN: Yeah. I know, I know. (Elias chuckles)
All right. I want to ask you something else…
ELIAS: Very well.
Note 1: “A cobra” is the name Elias has given to insidious behaviors or coping mechanisms that have negatively affected you throughout your life.
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