The Subjective and Objective Are in Harmony
Topics:
“The Subjective and Objective Are in Harmony”
“The Subjective Instigates and Motivates; The Objective Analyzes and Chooses”
“A Caterpillar and Butterfly Analogy”
“Being a Shifter of Perspectives and Structure”
“Memories As Inactive Ingredients”
“Being Our Own Authority”
“Clarification on Surface People, Thinkers And Workers”
“Recalling What’s Happening During Energy Exchanges”
Thursday, September 11, 2025 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Jean-Baptiste (Araili)
ELIAS: Good evening!
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Good evening my friend, even if for you it's afternoon or... (Elias laughs) How do you call that for you, because you are in an ever-present state?
ELIAS: Correct, and therefore there is no time of day, actually, only what I observe from you.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Interesting.
ELIAS: And what brings us together again so soon? Not that I'm complaining (Jib laughs), because I thoroughly enjoy our conversations.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: There are different aspects of what we discussed last time that I wanted to come back to.
ELIAS: Very well.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: About the subjective and how it's tightly knit with the objective in the present.
ELIAS: Very well.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: And also how to connect that with the energy centers, because the energy centers, from what I understand, are in some aspect what direct how the subjective directs the body consciousness.
ELIAS: Correct.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: How it functions, how it moves, etc. But I also understand that the energy centers connect with different aspects of ourselves, like you mentioned – or someone said to me – that the purple energy center was also about self. I forgot what they said exactly, but the sense of self or something like that? Is that correct?
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Or am I misinterpreting?
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: So it's not all about the body consciousness.
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: But mostly about the body consciousness?
ELIAS: Correct.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: And so I'm interested in that aspect, as you well know, because we have talked about energy and energy centers already so many times. And there is also one thing that happened, and I connect it with a discussion about addressing to trauma, helping other people address to trauma, that happened right after we had that conversation. That I had different elements that came together and brought to the surface one of the strongest associations that made me feel completely disconnected from my life and also confused, not understanding anything, having the impression that what I believed before was completely wrong. I felt like a caterpillar dissolving before knowing it would transform into a butterfly maybe.
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: And it lasted for two or three days, and I was observing that.
ELIAS: That's quite some time.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Yes. It was quite some time. And then I started realizing and noticing how it connected to that 10-year-old self when I moved from elementary school to the next level, middle school, and I felt completely like someone pulled the rug from under my feet. I didn't recognize anything, because we had one teacher in elementary school and we had our friends, we knew where to go, etc., and at the end of that year there was a moment where every child in the school was playing outside, not going into class and we were just having fun. And I remember being aware of all these different games in the schoolyard, and I was thoroughly enjoying that.
And I was kind of expecting it to continue afterwards, when we would go back to school after summer holidays, but when I went back to school it was totally different. There were so many different teachers, and we had to learn so many new things, and the sense of play and fun and connection seemed to have left everybody. They were all serious and doing their stuff. And there were all these new people from... the older children or teenagers that were also impressive, and so I connected that moment with that.
And it was happening exactly at the same time, like the start of September.
ELIAS: Ah.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: And then there was an episode at that specific time, that specific memory of arriving to this new school where I was bullied for who I was and how I looked and etc. And it brought also so much devaluing in me and so many feelings of disconnection, and so everything was packed together [in the present now]. And when I got what it was, when I also noticed that behind that cover of the association that was super strong, I noticed that all the aspects that I have cultivated, the adults, the whatever, they were there. So I wasn't afraid or… (slight pause) believing that it would stay that way, because I went through different times in my life where I moved through different periods like that, and so I knew I would move out of it and I had the knowledge of all our interactions. But I was interested [in] that "Okay, the association can be so powerful that it covers everything."
ELIAS: Correct.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: And it was [also] a way for me that I would give myself this information as a reminder that the people, if I meet them to address the traumas, that's what can happen, or that's part of what can also be so difficult for the people to choose or to see differently.
And when I noticed all the connections and how everything... it dissipated immediately. That's also what was surprising, because it lasted a few days, and I got all those pieces of information, and then when I got it, it changed.
ELIAS: How did it change?
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Like, I felt it recede. And I knew that I had gone to the... the crest of the wave and that now the wave was receding. And then my sight was not clouded by the association, and I felt the body slowly getting more into balance. So I was observing that time, but I felt that moment where “okay, I got it; now I change.”
ELIAS: Yes. And what would you say that you learned from this experience the most?
JEAN-BAPTISTE: What I learned is... (pause) What was the most important thing that I got was how to accept the person, not try to change or to make them see differently but listen to that, to validate that's what's happening, but also to have that trust and maybe transmit or share that trust with them that they have resources, they have aspects of themselves that they can count on, and that it is not a matter of changing who you are but honoring – maybe that's the term that I would choose, honoring who you are, and that it helps me also connect better with where they are.
ELIAS: Agreed.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Be that great stable or solid point in their experience that they can count on, so to speak, to move forward, and in that safe space they can experience whatever they experience and we can move through that together.
I feel I'm getting lost into trying to analyze too much.
ELIAS: I understand. Yes, I understand. And what I would say is that this experience that you had was not only powerful but definitely beneficial. Because you're correct: It's a very correct analogy to use as with the caterpillar and the butterfly, because that is actually what you were doing. And in that, it's important because you have that experience that you can share, that even though you thought you were losing yourself...
JEAN-BAPTISTE: (Softly) Yes.
ELIAS: …and it felt as if nothing was familiar and everything was changed and everything was taken away, once you moved through it, you had yourself back.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Yes.
ELIAS: Therefore you DIDN'T lose yourself, and you come through that tunnel, in a manner of speaking, through that darkness the same as that caterpillar in its chrysalis. And in that, then you come into you, still, but a different you.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Yes.
ELIAS: It's still you in your core. You still have your identity. You still know who you are, but you're more than what you were.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Yes. And you know, that connected also with what the Fah'ra, the energy group that I do the energy exchange with.
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: We had the session before with our little pyramid, and we each got something that represented us in our pyramid. And what they [the Fah'ra] said about me was that there was that aspect of being a shifter of perspectives and structures, and that I would maybe juggle or change them to create new structure or new organization or configurations.
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: And then being able to hold a space for others through these changes or experiences.
ELIAS: I would agree.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: So it felt connected also.
ELIAS: I would say also, you and your energy are stronger.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Really?
ELIAS: Presently.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Oh, okay.
ELIAS: In this present now, your energy and your core of you is stronger than it was in our previous conversation [that happened the previous week].
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Wow! That can happen so fast.
ELIAS: It can happen immediately. It happens very fast. Just as once that chrysalis breaks open, the butterfly emerges within moments.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Yes. Yeah, that's true. I feel stronger and more stable. Even if the experience created some kind of inflammation feeling, like... or the nervous system got a quite intense use, I would say. (Laughs, and Elias chuckles knowingly)
And so, I'd like to tie that with the subjective exploration. Last time you told me that the subjective was tightly knit with the objective awareness which is tightly in the present, and that made me wonder about, as we are creating each moment – our awareness in each moment – are we creating also the subjective awareness in each moment? Like a stroboscope. (Pause)
ELIAS: Continue.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: And I ask that because previously I experienced my subjective exploration as being somewhat, as I told you last time, out of time. Which means, I don't feel the passage of time the same, –
ELIAS: Correct.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: – or I can feel that I experience a period of time all at the same time – at once, I mean.
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: And I was wondering about that aspect that we are creating present, past and future in every moment.
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: And… is it different pasts and present in different moments? Does the past we lived continue to exist objectively? So there are many questions that I have.
ELIAS: I'd say that objectively the past changes every time you recall it, because you recall it differently each time. The future also changes, because you don't have a clear picture of the future.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Yes.
ELIAS: Or, it changes because you DO have a clearer picture of what you want in the future, and that can be modified, let us say; and therefore, that also changes. But the present is changing in every moment also. Therefore, change is a constant in all three configurations of time.
The subjective awareness does move also in time in association with the objective awareness, but it... I would agree that in some capacities it's more fluid. But – the element of time also is a matter of attention. Therefore, it seems more rigid with your objective attention because your objective attention is adhering to the construction of time in your reality, in that linear capacity. Also, it does deviate at times. You may have time frameworks in which you'll notice or you'll experience time moving very slow, time moving very quickly, even time standing still.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Yes.
ELIAS: In that, your objective awareness does at different moments play with the construction of time that is set in your blueprint, but the reason that the subjective perhaps has more fluidity with time is simply because your attention isn't focused as much with the subjective aspect of yourself.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Okay.
ELIAS: And therefore it's engaging more freedom in relation to that construction.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Do you mean that if I focused more my attention in relation to the subjective it can be more stable in time, so to speak? Or is it more natural that the attention is not quite focused with the subjective?
ELIAS: It's not actually a matter of being more natural. I would say that the only reason it's more natural is because you're so focused with your attention on the objective aspect of your awareness. But I would say that if you were more focused on the subjective awareness, it's likely that it would also conform more to time in that linear fashion.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: So from that, I would ask you… (pause)… I will move to something that I experienced in meditation. I think it was yesterday.
ELIAS: Very well.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: And that I started to also explore before and I mentioned that to you. It was about observing the pulse of the perception. Or... Like, being in that meditation, I pay attention to the attention, to my objective awareness, and how sometime it's not there and how sometimes it's there. And I realized that… the consecutive moments are not necessarily perfectly matching together, like there may be, one moment to another, a different arrangement or a different configuration of aspects. And it happens like these consecutive snapshots, you know? It happens quickly so you don't really see the difference, but there is that, between different moments, not necessarily a perfect match of configuration. I don't know if you understand what I mean.
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN-BAPSITE: It's like…
ELIAS: And I would agree.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: You would agree? Okay.
ELIAS: Yes. Because the objective and the subjective are not… (slight pause) the same notes, let us say; they're harmony with each other. Therefore, they're not always matching perfectly. They are matching perfectly in a harmonious manner, but they're not necessarily matching perfectly in a mirror image.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: I still have difficulties to grasp what that means. Could you give me an example?
ELIAS: Mm… (Pause) Very well. Let's use your example of your experience of the schoolyard and having fun and knowing all of the other children and feeling safe, and then going back to school and everything is different, and everything is changed. You're still engaging school, but you're engaging it in a very different configuration. Now, in that, the objective and the subjective move in that type of harmony. They're not exactly mirror images of each other; but in that, they're always moving in the same direction. Therefore, one complements the other; and in that, they both move in a direction to move you forward in, in a manner of speaking, challenging you to do more, to be more, to express more, because that is the movement of consciousness.
Therefore, your objective side of you is the side of you that engages a lot of imagery and thinking and feeling, but the subjective part of you is the part of you that initiates those feelings, or initiates the thinking; and in that, it's moving in the same direction as the objective part of you, but its functions are different. It motivates you. It inspires you. It is that curious aspect of you. It's the part of you that instigates.
Therefore, when you were having that experience of thinking that everything was wrong and that you were misunderstanding everything, and that you weren't moving in a correct direction with any of this, and that your entire perception of the subjective movement was completely wrong, that was an expression and inspiration, let us say, motivated by the subjective. For then the objective is moving in the direction of evaluating all of that, and making the choices in relation to "Is this correct? Is this not correct? Do I believe this? Do I not believe this? How am I moving? What are my choices with all of this? Where am I in this tornado of experiences telling me that I'm wrong?" And, in that, it motivates the objective to analyze.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Yes. Okay.
ELIAS: And then you give yourself the answers.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Yes. And that was interesting to see how to get these answers I needed to kind of erase the blackboard, or to reset the game board or whatever.
ELIAS: Yes. To allow in more information.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Yeah. That's what I felt.
ELIAS: What you're doing... What you're doing is, in a manner of speaking, you're discarding old information that is not to your greatest benefit.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Yes.
ELIAS: But you have to see it and experience it first.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Yes.
ELIAS: Before you can discard it.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: And that's not for the faint of heart. (Laughs)
ELIAS: No. It is not. But I would say that that is the caterpillar. Its job is to do nothing but eat.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Oh! Interesting.
ELIAS: And, what is that? That is consuming, and then it's not there any longer.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Interesting, because that's exactly what I did with information the previous part of my life. (Laughs)
ELIAS: Precisely.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: I see how perfectly it fits. Okay.
ELIAS: Ah! Excellent.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: I have another question about that aspect of the subjective and objective and the present moment –
ELIAS: Very well.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: – because we create the different moments in time. For each moment, do we recreate all moments? Like all the past moments, or all the...? What I mean is... obviously it pulses or it's blinking in and out. And when it blinks in, is it how we manifest our perception or the objective reality? And then all other moments are manifest and connected to this? But they are different moments than the one we actually... And when I say “we,” obviously it means that the “we” that we are now is kind of a new creation also. So how does it connect with the other me's that experience all these moments? Or, maybe I'm not yet able to understand all that. (Laughs)
ELIAS: (Laughs) Which other? What precisely are you attempting to connect?
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Like, last week's session: I remember it, but is it the original one that I experienced?
ELIAS: No.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Or is it a new one that I'm creating in this moment?
ELIAS: Correct. No; the other, in that context, is not continuing in this moment as an active element. It exists, but it is… (pause) more of… (pause) an expression in stasis.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Okay, like some kind of trace or recording? Or available information... ?
ELIAS: Yes, you could express it... You could express it in that manner. It's something that exists, it's something that is accessible, but it's not in play, so to speak. It's not active.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: And does that mean that it's not active from the point of view of this current awareness?
ELIAS: Correct.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: And is it active in the point of view of the awareness that created it? Or that awareness is also in stasis, so to speak?
ELIAS: YOU are that awareness. You are that awareness.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Okay.
ELIAS: And that awareness exists, yes, in past, present, future. But, the experience is something that becomes static. It isn't an active expression any longer. Therefore, it's very similar to ingredients in something, in which there are active ingredients and then there are inactive ingredients. And memories become inactive ingredients unless they are touched. If they are touched, then they become active again.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Just like with the association and the memory of that schoolyard?
ELIAs: Yes. Yes.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Is it what it...
ELIAS: Then, it becomes active again for a certain time framework, because you are the perspective in all time frameworks. Therefore, you bring it into the present. It's a memory in the past, and inactive as an ingredient of you, but then, if you touch it or something else touches it, it becomes an active ingredient again.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Okay. That's so interesting.
ELIAS: From the perspective of you, because you are all of those awarenesses.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Yes.
ELIAS: Do you understand?
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Um, I won't say I do REALLY understand (Elias laughs), but I'm starting to understand –
ELIAS: Excellent.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: – why I created all that shambles, so to speak (Elias laughs), to help me see this differently and accept the implications of that.
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: And, as you say that I will discover new information and that I will get more information, there is another thing that I became aware of, just like yesterday or this morning, about authority. Like, I sometimes had that impression that I wanted to be an authority in something, like the expert, or know this or know that so that people can refer to this authority and that I am the one that knows things. And I think I asked you in our previous conversations that are now in stasis (both laugh) – what I asked you about the teacher's wake from that perspective of the authority, which was still in the current or the old pre-Shift way to do things, so to speak. And with that change from the caterpillar into something else, the butterfly, I started to notice now that the authority that I wanted to become was kind of a mechanism of protection for me, because if you are not the authority then you can be controlled or you cannot direct yourself, so to speak. And I realized that I don't want to be an authority for others; it's not my interest, but, I want to be MY authority.
ELIAS: But perhaps want to be the authority for you.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Yes. I want to be my authority. And that's what I mixed together, because for me, being an authority is from the old perspective, to be the authority for everyone. But now with that new perspective, I understand that "Oh, no; being the authority is for me, and it doesn't have to be for anyone else."
ELIAS: Correct.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: That doesn't mean I cannot share things or be in that teacher position –
ELIAS: Correct.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: – but I won't be the authority that they would guide their life with, and they have to do what I say or whatever. And that made me aware of all that's happening in the world now is people struggling to be the authority of something, or others, or whatever. I'm talking about the political part of the population: the presidents, the tsars, or the kings or whatever. A lot of people are fighting for power.
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: And be the authority for others, and be the example that everyone should follow, or...
ELIAS: Correct. And that creates a lot of conflict.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Yes. And I thank you to remind us to be centered and to keep our gaze [on] our direction and what's beyond the horizon, or something like that, because now we need that. (Both laugh)
ELIAS: I would agree. (Laughs) Although I would say, once again, that it's all a matter of perception.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Yes.
ELIAS: And in that, there are many people that put themselves in a position of authority, and their perception is that that is right and good.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Yes.
ELIAS: But I would say that there are many, many, many MORE people that are NOT in that position.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Oh yes.
ELIAS: And therefore, I would say that you have the opportunity to move in a direction of engaging those many, many more people that are not in that authority position, and to be giving them information and helping them with their traumas in a manner that allows them to also be their own authority.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Thank you. It feels like...
ELIAS: It moves one person at a time.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Yes. And it's a snowball effect.
ELIAS: Yes. It is.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: I have one question now, because it was evoked in our little pyramid group, about the people that are called “surface people,” or you mentioned them to me as the workers once...
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: And we were wondering, is there some kind of gradient? That some people are on more the surface and some people are a little bit more expansive in their exploration, and then there are people that will go deep, and then there are people that will go even deeper, etc, etc.? Is that some kind of spectrum or gradient?
ELIAS: I would say yes, but only in regard to… (slight pause) what has influenced them in their lives. Meaning that through the influences of their lives, people will hold themselves back or they will move forward in directions and in knowledge. But other than that, I would say that it's not necessarily a matter of limits; it's more simply a matter of what people do because of what they are comfortable with.
Therefore, what that means is, a surface individual is comfortable not diving into things. They may be stretching certain parts of themselves in one particular focus or another, but they are comfortable BEING a surface individual and not looking into deep areas of themselves or other people. And in that, might they move in a direction of looking, some of them, slightly deeper than others? Yes, of course. But that depends on the influences in their lives and therefore what they deem to be important or not.
Just as with thinkers: Some of them are much more inclined to be analyzing and dissecting everything; some of them are more focused in certain directions; some will move in one direction, and others will move in many directions. But once again, that is an influence in their life, and in that, it's something that motivates them to move in certain directions and not in others.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Okay. I'm starting to understand.
ELIAS: But remember also, when I was speaking of the workers, that doesn't necessarily denote them as surface or thinkers. There are workers that are definitely thinkers. It doesn't mean that all workers are surface.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Okay. So that's a different denomination altogether.
ELIAS: And, it doesn't mean that all surface individuals are lower in intelligence. There are surface individuals that could be genius.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Yes. I think it's Debbie, she told me that intelligence is not what is the determinant point of being what you call thinkers or surface people.
ELIAS: Correct.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: And... Okay. So, what you mean with all you said is that some people who were comfortable to stay on the surface during most of their lives, suddenly because of certain influences of either interest or an event that, like you said at the start about the subjective, their subjective and objective are challenging them to question things differently or see things differently.
ELIAS: Correct.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: They may move in the direction of exploring more in depth certain aspects of their focus. That's interesting.
ELIAS: Correct.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: And I guess...
ELIAS: Some might not move in a direction of exploring themselves much at all, but they might move in directions of exploring something outside of themselves in tremendous depth.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Yes. I was thinking about my father about that, because he's not questioning much, etc., but he has this deep devotion to God. He's a very devout Christian, Catholic, and I had the impression that okay, in one respect maybe he can be considered a surface person because he's content with not traveling abroad, not questioning much life or whatever, but on the other hand, there is this deep devotion that he's exploring. And I was like, but what does that mean? He's more surface in his exploration or whatever? And now you gave me some form of answer to that.
ELIAS: (Chuckles) It's not as black and white as it appears.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Yeah. I love that. (Elias chuckles) It's quite full of surprises and wonders, I would say.
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Okay. So I would love to know more about maybe the energy exchanges that I'm doing. I've been engaging a few people with them, and we are exploring that also with my pyramid group (laughs), our little pyramid group. That is a very fun exploration, and I have been moving more into that place where I still am aware of some things during the energy exchange, but when I come back it's like I'm shifting back to my main aspect, which was not there during the exchange, and everything... I forgot what was said, or most things.
ELIAS: That's very common. That is very common. I would say that that is what happens, because the energy is dominating your body; and in doing so, it's also engaging with your physical brain, and therefore it interrupts your perception.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Okay.
ELIAS: And therefore you forget, or your... It's not actually that you forget; you're simply not aware.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: My question is in relation to what you said the first time we engaged that subject many months ago, maybe last year. You told me something that in relation to the fact that I was still aware and still remembering what was happening or forgetting some parts, and you said with practice you can remember more. What does that mean about the exploration of this energy exchange in relation to... ? Because I'm curious about what's happening, that I know and you know (laughs) I'm always curious. (Elias laughs) But is it… I wouldn't say better if I remember, or is it better if I don't remember? I mean, I don't know what direction to...
ELIAS: It's actually a matter of your choice. I was expressing to you that in relation to your choices, you can develop in a manner that allows you to recall more of what's happening during the exchange, and therefore not only be aware of it to a degree when it's happening, but that you could actually increase your recall. Now, that's a matter of choice. That's a matter of whether you want to or not, or whether it's important to you or not. It's not a matter of one being better than the other.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Okay. Because I was thinking that some people who engage me for the sessions also engage me for other work, like the subjective reading, so to speak, or the adventure in consciousness.
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN-BAPTISTE: And sometimes the subjects intersect, and if I have no recall of the sessions maybe they refer to them, and I'm like "Okay, what are they talking about?" (Laughs) So, I was wondering in my particular configuration.
ELIAS: I understand. And you can move in either direction.
[The timer for the session rings]
You can move in the direction of expressing…
[From this time until the end of the session, all of Elias's statements are missing from the recording. For the audio that’s online, at this specific point a major blank area has been removed.]
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Yes. It feels a lot like a dream.
ELIAS: [Audio missing]
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Okay. Thank you very much.
ELIAS: [Audio missing]
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Okay. I think I will do that sometimes, maybe not every time but in some configuration that can be helpful, especially when I do that with the pyramid that can help me to engage more directly after the sessions.
Thank you very much. The bell has rung, so I will bid you goodbye.
ELIAS: [Audio missing]
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Me too. Enjoy also your experience.
ELIAS: [Audio missing]
JEAN-BAPTISTE: Au revoir.
[Note from Jean-Baptiste: From what I remember of the end of the session, Elias is telling me that I can either ask questions to the people who had the session about what it was and what was said, or I could also cultivate my recall by using some kind of objective sound, like an alarm at different points of the exchange that would remind me to pay attention and recall the exchange, just like doing it with a dream. Hence my response that it feels a lot like a dream during the exchanges.
He then encouraged me in all my explorations and expressed friendship and love and his continuous support.
I guess I did that as an example of subjective and objective being in harmony, not necessarily matching, to encourage me to practice recall of the dream, ha ha.]
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