Perception and Dark Energy
Topics:
“Advice from Dr. Elias”
“Stock Market Possibilities”
“Validation of Dark Energy”
“Timeline for An Autonomous AI Robot”
“More than One Directing Focus”
Saturday, August 16, 2025 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Paul (Paneus)
ELIAS: Good morning!
PAUL: Good morning, Elias.
ELIAS: And how are you proceeding, my friend?
PAUL: Oh, I am still exploring processes.
ELIAS: (Laughs) Which processes?
PAUL: Ah. Well, okay, so I created a pain in my back molar last – back molar of my upper jaw. I was out at dinner, talking about a coworker and then I bit down on an appetizer and it was a little bit on a crunchy side and I got some pain. I’m like, “Oh! This is odd.” And it lasted that night and then most of the next day, and it started dissipating a little bit after that. And it doesn’t react to hot or cold, so I don’t think it’s a cavity and I don’t think it’s a crack in my molar. So the question I have is, is it just some food particle I got back in there is causing some discomfort? Or is it something like a flare-up of my root canal? Or is it – and hopefully not this – is it aggravation from my wisdom tooth that’s back there? Or something else?
ELIAS: No. It was an irritation of the gum.
PAUL: From food?
ELIAS: From how you were chewing.
PAUL: Oh!
ELIAS: Yes. From the food. Yes.
PAUL: Okay. So it’ll go away fully, naturally then?
ELIAS: Yes.
PAUL: Oh! That is good to hear, Elias. Thank you for putting on your dentist hat.
ELIAS: (Laughs) You are very welcome. (Chuckles)
PAUL: Uh… Sticking on a couple of health questions, so the basal cell cancer above my left temple seems to be receding a little bit, and I’ve been pretty diligent about putting on the bacitracin zinc ointment, every evening. And my skin doctor wants me to come in for surgery to remove it, but I’m seeing some progress on the reduction. What is the relative pace, when it will heal up if I don’t get surgery and just do the… just keep putting the bacitracin on it every evening?
ELIAS: It might be six months, seven months. It would be a longer time framework, but it should accomplish moving in the direction of eliminating it.
PAUL: Mm. Okay. So if I don’t want to wait six months, just to go and get the surgery then. Okay. Well, the surgery should be easier then, because there’s less of it to cut out, right?
ELIAS: Yes.
PAUL: Yeah. Yeah. Um… I went with your reduction in some of the medications and supplements. Could you give me a health check about how I’m doing since the reduction from a few weeks ago, or since the last – a month ago, our last time, last call, last Elias call?
ELIAS: One moment. (Pause) I’d say you are doing well.
PAUL: So I’m okay with the reductions and I don’t need to go back and restore the original amounts?
ELIAS: No.
PAUL: Okay. Good. Thank you again, Dr. Elias.
ELIAS: (Laughs) You are very welcome.
PAUL: I’m curious on this one. Frequently when I lay down to either meditate or do a deep… a power nap, and not all the time but frequently I get this coughing, if you will. And a lot of times, to the point where I have to actually get up and drink a big glass of water for it to subside. And I was thinking about that the other day, because it doesn’t happen when I go to bed at night, very rarely does it, almost never. I am wondering if it’s some association with my time travel projecting, it’s some reaction my body has.
ELIAS: (Pause) Actually, you’re correct. You’re moving closer.
PAUL: So what’s causing my body to cough then?
ELIAS: THAT, it’s reacting to different energy.
PAUL: Ah!
ELIAS: Which is understandable, because it’s affecting the energy center in relation to communication.
PAUL: Okay. And is this more adjusting… (sighs)? Because I’m doing coughing, is it adjusting for, or realigning my physical to a future physical time travel?
ELIAS: Yes.
PAUL: So that’s why I’m coughing. It’s not due to projecting of consciousness, it’s the latter? The other one?
ELIAS: Correct. Correct.
PAUL: Oh. Interesting. They’re very interesting. So I might have to get back on this topic a little bit, but I’ll move on to some of my other questions. That SoFi stock that I bought a small amount of the other day, and you mentioned it had some, a potential and it did go up a little bit, is there still substantial opportunity for it to go higher?
ELIAS: (Pause) Yes.
PAUL: Can you give me a range of what it might be? Like five dollars? Or more? (Pause) That’s predictive. I know I’m not supposed to do that, but I thought I’d just raise the question. You don’t have to answer that one.
ELIAS: (Laughs) I’d say that it has the potential to (pause) triple.
PAUL: What? Over its current price?
ELIAS: Yes.
PAUL: Wow. (Name removed) is going to be happy about that, because he thought he’d missed his window of opportunity. Okay. (Elias laughs) Well, is that tripling, is that over a couple years? Or five years? Or… do you have a rough estimate of the timeline?
ELIAS: (Pause) That actually depends on the flow, the energy. Therefore I’d say that it’s possible for that to happen within a year.
PAUL. Wow. Okay. That’s close enough. I’ll have to buy some more stock then. Okay. (Elias chuckles) Wow. Thanks, Elias. Do you get a commission on this?
ELIAS: You’re welcome. (Paul laughs) Repeat.
PAUL: Oh, I was joking with you saying, “Do you get a commission for this advice.?” (Elias laughs)
I had a dream back at the end of July. I don’t know if I talked to you about this one. It was about… I kind of thought I’d talked to you about it, but it was back at the end of July, about ATM and stuck money. Did I talk to you about that one? I can’t remember, because I didn’t put any notes on here.
ELIAS: Continue.
PAUL: So I was using the ATM and when I was ready to get my money out, I found out there was lots more money that was stuck in the machine. So I kept pulling out more and more money. And I remember filling my wallet and it was overflowing, and I’m like well, this is kind of very odd. And even though there was still more money left in the slot, I left. And as I was leaving I was approached by this very tall guy who seemed to be associated with my work, like somebody from work but wasn’t. And he grabbed my wallet and he said, “Well, this isn’t right,” because my wallet was overfull. And he would not like go to the wall, so when I tried to pull, even when I tried to pull back. And I wondered if I would be in trouble. That’s what I was feeling in my dream. But I’m not sure of that imagery. (Pause)
ELIAS: What is your impression?
PAUL: That it’s a measure of success and that that tall guy might have been my old boss, who doesn’t want me to get that measure of success.
ELIAS: No.
PAUL: Oh. Okay.
ELIAS: Try again. (Laughs)
PAUL: Um… (Pause) Well, the ATM and the money is just a sign of value and the fact that I was uncovering a large amount of value that was unrealized at the company, and—
ELIAS: It’s not about work.
PAUL: Oh, okay. Thank you. So—
ELIAS: You’re welcome.
PAUL: Maybe it’s about… the fact I’m uncovering its value and there’s more value there, and I had to walk away because I was worried about getting in trouble for taking it, continue to take more money or more value from that machine. I don’t know. That’s a… That… Maybe it’s an aspect of the, the tall person’s the government, it’s the bulk of the government and the ATM is—
ELIAS: No. It’s another aspect of you, and the ATM that is producing the money for you is an expression of YOU giving to yourself.
PAUL: Ah!
ELIAS: And in that, it’s also a matter of not only you giving to yourself, but that there’s a limit to that. There’s a limit to how much you will give to yourself.
PAUL: Is that a limit that I preconceived, set—
ELIAS: Yes.
PAUL: Or is it a limit that applies to everyone?
ELIAS: No. There is a limit. It isn’t, in a manner of speaking, a set limit. It’s simply the association and the idea of a limit, that you can only accept so much and then you’re likely moving over your limit.
PAUL: Okay.
ELIAS: Therefore leave some, to not be greedy.
PAUL: I could see that. Now is that tied to financial stuff or just value in general?
ELIAS: No. I’d say value in general.
PAUL: Okay. Because I don’t want to restrict myself on time travel progress. I’m definitely not going to want to shortchange myself on that.
ELIAS: I understand. No. This is about your value in general, how you value yourself.
PAUL: Ah, okay. Okay. I understand, I think.
Why…? A science question. Why have they not validated the existence of dark energy yet? They’ve been testing for it for decades now. Why is that?
ELIAS: Because they can’t quantify it. They can’t create a proof.
PAUL: Hm. So the technology that they’re using is not allowing them to… again, like you said, quantify it?
ELIAS: Correct.
PAUL: So… Oh. Maybe they’re not viewing or using the right methodologies or type of instrument, instrumentation to do that.
ELIAS: Perhaps.
PAUL: Yeah?
ELIAS: But I would also say that they’re moving in an incorrect direction because they’re not considering perception.
PAUL: Yeah.
ELIAS: They still move away from that direction.
PAUL: Yep. Yep. That’s like the one formula that I did years ago that you validated, where I used, one of my factors in the formula is perception. I think I called it a “K,” “K value.” Yeah, because I believe perception is a force.
ELIAS: It is.
PAUL: Yeah.
ELIAS: And without it, there are certain elements of reality and certain elements of the universe that you can’t actually explore.
PAUL: You said you can’t?
ELIAS: Correct. That’s a vital piece.
PAUL: Hm. Yeah. I might have to toy with that one again.
The company I’m working at right now is looking at AI aspects and stuff like that. And one of the things that I know is going to happen, some future state, is a fully autonomous AI robot. You know, the humanoid-type robot, like something you’d see from Star Trek or something like that. Is…? Are we on a pace to have something like that within let’s say two years? Not as a company, just globally, to have a fully-functional robot that’s AI-equipped that is autonomous, where you could basically tell it to go do stuff and it will go do stuff and act like a humanoid, like an android almost?
ELIAS: Close. Yes. I would say yes, you’re close, and you are that close.
PAUL: So about two years or so?
ELIAS: Yes.
PAUL: Yeah, that’s what I’m thinking. I was talking to some people at work and they’re like, “No, it’s not going to happen,” and I go, “Yeah! Yeah! About five years down the road.” And so one of our technology guys was saying, he was like, “I don’t think we’re that close.” And I said, “Well—
ELIAS: Japan. I’d say yes, you are that close because they are already moving in that direction in Japan.
PAUL: I’m not going to ask you for the… Is there like one company that’s farther ahead in Japan than others?
ELIAS: Yes. And you can investigate that.
PAUL: Oh, I was going to ask you. I know that, but I was going to say, “Give me a city.” (Laughs) And that’ll help me whittle down. The focus of my investigation will be easier. Is there a…? Say that—
ELIAS: (Laughs) you can find that—
PAUL: Okay.
ELIAS: — yourself.
PAUL: Okay. Okay. I probably can, actually. I can use some AI tools—
ELIAS: Yes, you can.
PAUL: — to help me do that. AI tools to help me do that, use that to search. Yeah. I think so.
ELIAS: Yes, you can.
PAUL: I’m going to revisit this topic about remembering my time travel projections recently. I’ve been doing those power naps. I’m just not getting any good recollection. And you told me a couple times it’s like one, just kind of extend that kind of a state of where you’re kind of moving through your… I don’t want to say imagination, but basically that mechanism where you’re visualizing the event as one method. And the other one is to be more startled when you wake up. (Pause)
ELIAS: Yes. And?
PAUL: Well, was…? Those are two, right? And was there a third one I should be looking at, as a mechanism to improve the recall?
ELIAS: Hm… Are you waking yourself at different times and then having some type of notebook or something close to your bed, that you can write down what you want—
PAUL: Yeah. I do have a notebook by my bed. I sometimes write stuff like that down. My time period for meditation has always been that seventeen-minute realm. Power naps could be ten minutes to a half an hour. Is there a time amount that works best for projection and recall? I’ll ask it that way.
ELIAS: (Pause) I’d say actually more in the range of forty minutes to an hour.
PAUL: Really?
ELIAS: Yes, because it’s a matter of moving the body and your physical brain in the direction of being in a similar state to dream state.
PAUL: And I could do this either meditation or my deep relaxation power nap?
ELIAS: Yes. Yes, you can.
PAUL: So all these years I’ve been doing roughly about seventeen minutes because I thought that was important, to keep it at a lower number. I didn’t know a larger number would be more beneficial.
ELIAS: Yes, I would say it would be.
PAUL: Wow. Okay.
ELIAS: Not tremendously more, but—
PAUL: No. That’s like forty or sixty, right? Forty or sixty, that’s about double, right? More than double, actually.
ELIAS: Yes. Yes. You are correct.
PAUL: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I know there’s stuff out there, but I was talking to one of the other Elias fans, Jean, and we were talking about focuses. And I still find it unusual that there is an equivalence between somebody who is a directing focus, which there can only be one directing focus per person, right?
ELIAS: No. That’s your idea. That is a human idea, that I have spoken about many times and people hold onto this individual expression and Idea that there has to be one individual that would be directing, and then many can be observing. And I have expressed many times, no, that is incorrect, but that I had begun in that direction years prior because people have such difficulty in accepting multiples in relation to focuses.
PAUL: Yeah. I do as well. (Laughs) But I understand it conceptually. It’s unique, that’s all. Interesting.
My boss and I were in a big meeting that we had that was really well, turned out very successful. I think my boss, wouldn’t you characterize this, isn’t my boss very, very much pleased with my activities recently?
ELIAS: Yes. I would agree.
PAUL: Yeah. Yeah. And you’re still wanting me to hold off on asking about promotion until the fall?
ELIAS: Correct.
PAUL: Yeah. Okay. I can do that. I can do that. Yeah. Okay, well.
Well, we’re down to about four minutes. Do you have something to talk to me about?
ELIAS: (Chuckles) How is your daughter proceeding with her other kitten?
PAUL: The other cat seems to be doing well. No, we haven’t noticed any issues with it, unless you… You know, that one cat died.
ELIAS: I am aware.
PAUL: Yeah. Yeah, I know. And so we disinfected everything we could and we haven’t noticed any ill effects, hopefully, on the other cat. Should we be concerned?
ELIAS: Right.
PAUL: Should we be concerned about that?
ELIAS: No.
PAUL: Oh, okay.
ELIAS: No. Not—
PAUL: Okay.
ELIAS: I was simply inquiring.
PAUL: Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So…
ELIAS: And how are your grandchildren proceeding?
PAUL: As always. (Both laugh) They are… They’re fine. There’s times that my granddaughter, I have to do the classic walk away with her on occasion. I’m much better at doing that than my daughter is, and my daughter still struggles with that but she’s… I think she’s getting a little bit better. And yeah, yeah, still a work in progress, Elias.
ELIAS: (Laughs) Very well. How old are they now?
PAUL: Seven and nine. Seven and a half and nine and a half.
ELIAS: Ah.
PAUL: So I’ve got a question—
ELIAS: And the girl is still generating these tantrums?
PAUL: Yeah, well, it’s not maybe that, a tantrum, more of it’s a… Yeah, I guess you could call them a tantrum, maybe not the classic tantrum but you know… You know yelling about stuff, and throwing a fit. So, yeah. To a degree, yeah. So.
ELIAS: Interesting.
PAUL: Well, I’m expecting that it’ll subside a little bit over time as well, as she gets a little bit older.
ELIAS: I would say that this would be an age old enough that it would be subsiding, if the parents also are addressing to it differently.
PAUL: Yeah. Yeah. Well, it is getting… I mean, if I looked at it from last year versus this year, it is better. So I guess I’ll phrase it that way. And I’ll—
ELIAS: Very well.
PAUL: Elias, I just looked at my time, that we’re at time, and I want to—
ELIAS: Very well.
PAUL: I will try some of these time travel techniques that you’ve offered and shared.
ELIAS: Excellent.
PAUL: Thank you for your communications, and I look forward to our next—
ELIAS: You are very welcome.
PAUL: Yeah, I look forward to our next discussion.
ELIAS: As do I, my dear friend. And I will be continuing to offer my energy with you in support and a lot of encouragement.
PAUL: I appreciate that, Elias.
ELIAS: You are very welcome.
(Audio ends after 31 minutes minutes)
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