Tuesday, August 12, 2025 (Private/Phone)

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Anon (Alexander)

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ANON: Okay. So last session we spoke about the “masters of regeneration” – that’s how I termed them – and that they have a commonality of a physical practice that is similar to yoga or other eastern disciplines but also different. Several people pooled money because they are interested in you sharing more about that practice, and we can use half an hour of this session or more now to focus on that topic.

Some people in the Elias forum have experiences in different Eastern disciplines, including myself, and it would be fantastic if you could describe the basics of this discipline in such a way that we could start experimenting with it and practicing it. And speaking for myself, I started practicing yoga as a teenager more than 20 years ago but lost my interest in it lately, therefore your mentioning of this practice that these masters of regeneration are practicing is coming at the perfect time – which is no coincidence, I assume.

As I am most familiar with yoga and many people nowadays are, perhaps it’s a good starting point if you would describe in what ways it is similar to yoga and in what ways it is different. And as a little summary of my perspective of yoga, there are some very common yoga positions that people practice like Upward-Facing Dog, Downward-Facing Dog, bridge postures, lunges, twists, standing postures, balancing postures, headstand, shoulder stand and so on, and practitioners usually remain in postures for at least five breaths. And commonly in yoga there is an emphasis on stretching, but there is also an element of strengthening the body. The attention is often on the breath, the movements of the body and hopefully on developing presence. So in what ways would the discipline that these people practice differ from that?

ELIAS: (Pause) I’d say there is much more of a breathing practice involved, and in that, it’s training yourself to be more entuned with your body in relation to what’s instructing it. What people are doing – even in yoga and even in meditation, for the most part, unless the individual is very schooled in each of them – what people are mostly doing is engaging that in relation to their objective awareness. Even if they think they’re moving in a direction of the subjective awareness, they’re not actually. They’re paying much more attention to the objective in relation to how you pose, how you move, what direction you move in. And even in relation to breathing, you’ll notice that the yogis teach – and anyone that has been certified in yoga is referred to as a yogi, as you know – but in that, they basically in western cultures teach even breathing as an objective action: “Breathe and focus your breath to be moving in a particular area of your body.” Correct?

ANON: Yes. Mm-hm.

ELIAS: Yes. That’s not the type of breathing that I’m speaking of. What I would say is what is different for the most part with this other practice is being aware of (slight pause) moving your attention to the allowance of the subjective.

You don’t know how to direct the subjective yet; therefore, it’s more a matter of moving your attention to the allowance of the subjective, and in that, it’s more similar to the inner landscape in which when you’re doing the inner landscape, as you know, you’re allowing the subjective to become primary, and you’re not directing it objectively.

In this, it’s similar but not the same, in that it’s a movement in attention in the allowance of the subjective to be being expressed, therefore allowing that to direct the discipline. Therefore, if you’re using yoga as a framework, let’s say, then it would be allowing the subjective to direct the positions that you would be engaging. And the positions may not be precisely the same as the positions of yoga; they may be somewhat different.

In that, I would say that it’s a discipline that allows you to become more aware of how you’re directing your attention and directing your attention in relation to both the objective and the subjective. They’re two sides of the same coin; and in that, if you’re looking at one side, you can’t see the other side. Therefore, what choices do you have in which you can see both sides? Because everything is about choice, therefore what choice would you recognize as allowing you to be aware of both sides of the coin?

ANON: Hm. I don’t know. Perhaps I would sit down, calm my mind and ask myself, “Is there any symbol that would represent my subjective state right now?” And then if such a symbol comes to my mind, perhaps I would try to express it through movement.

ELIAS: Think of the coin, and think of what would be your choices in relation to being able to see both sides of the coin.

ANON: Do you mean like dreaming? Like normal dreaming? Is that a choice –

ELIAS: No. An actual coin. Think of an actual coin.

ANON: Ah! In twisting it quickly.

ELIAS: Yes – not quickly. If you are spinning it quickly, you won’t be able to see EITHER side. You won’t see ANY details; you’ll simply see a blur.

ANON: Okay. So I have to spin it slowly.

ELIAS: But if you spin it very slowly, then you can see both sides. Yes, you are correct.

Now; that is, in a manner of speaking, the beginning principle of this discipline: looking at or allowing yourself to be aware of both sides of you, both sides of the coin, because they are both moving together all the time. If they weren’t, you wouldn’t be in physical focus any longer.

Therefore, it’s a matter of you being in a position in which you begin practicing paying attention to both. And the first piece of how to do that would be to combine it with yoga and then to allow the subjective, which dictates to the body, to direct a movement, and then allowing yourself to use your objective awareness to move in harmony with that. Do you understand?

ANON: Not fully, honestly. So… (Elias laughs) somewhat. So let’s say I do, as you say, a typical yoga posture like Downward Dog. Could that be a starting point? What do I start with the subjective?

ELIAS: What I would say is, that would be the opposite of what I’m saying.

ANON: Okay. Okay. So… Okay.

ELIAS: Because if you’re doing that, then you’re starting with the objective. What I’m saying to you is to begin with the subjective; therefore, allow the subjective awareness to direct, or instigate, let us say, a pose. Therefore, in order to do that, you have to feel yourself. You have to pay attention to what your body is feeling, and therefore you would be prompted to move in a particular direction. And let’s say because that’s familiar to you, that that would be the pose that you would be prompted to do, because it’s a familiar pose.

In that, it’s a matter of moving your attention in a very different capacity, moving your attention in response to your body’s prompts – because that’s how your subjective communicates with you, or one of the manners in which your subjective awareness communicates with you, is through your body. Then there is your intuition or your imagination or your impressions. In that, this discipline is a matter of taking the prompts from your body and then combining that with the other avenues of communication from the subjective. Therefore what you are attempting to do is give the subjective, in a manner of speaking, equal time.

Your objective is always on. It’s always directing and engaging in input with you. Your subjective is too, but you’re not paying attention to that. Therefore, it’s a matter of giving your subjective equal time in relation to your attention. It’s how to direct your attention differently – and this definitely is a discipline, because it’s something that you’re definitely not accustomed to doing.

What I would say is, let us use that example of perhaps Downward Dog. This is a very common pose. It’s very simple, and most people are aware of it objectively.

Now; let us say, hypothetically, that because it is so familiar, that that is what you’re prompted to do. You have a feeling in your body. You feel your core, you feel your legs and your arms moving into a certain position that would be that pose. In that, then it’s a matter of paying attention to what else are you expressing to yourself.

First of all, your breathing is definitely involved – because that’s a very important part of paying attention differently – and breathing specifically from your diaphragm, which some people are accustomed to doing at times. Dancers are accustomed to doing that when they’re dancing, not necessarily at other times. Singers are accustomed to doing that when they’re singing. People that engage yoga seriously or tai chi are accustomed to doing that while they’re engaging the discipline, but not all the time. Qigong also teaches this, but (chuckles) people only do it while they’re doing the discipline.

This is a matter of paying attention to how your breathing affects your body, and it does. It affects every cell in your body, every area of your body. Therefore, this is an objective and subjective action that you can direct equally, and if you are actually practicing with that discipline, I would say that this can be tremendously effective in every direction of your life. It can help you to choose in the stock market. It can help you to regenerate. It can help you to maintain health. It can help you in relationships. It can help you in your job. It doesn’t matter what the subject is; your breathing in that discipline of being aware of the objective and subjective at the same time gives you more clarity in every direction. And therefore whatever you do, you will be much more successful at, because you’re much more directed. You know what you’re doing because of the clarity. Do you understand that?

ANON: Yes. And (Elias laughs) would you say it is important to set an intention before the practice? Or is it more about listening, what are the prompts from the subjective?

ELIAS: It’s more about listening.

ANON: Okay.

ELIAS: It’s more about listening. It’s not about setting an intention. That’s what you’re accustomed to, but that’s also objective.

It is about generating in the beginning a dedication, because that strengthens your energy. Therefore that is a significant piece.

ANON: Dedication? What do you mean with that?

ELIAS: A dedication would be that you are dedicating the action, the practice, in the same manner that you would with a meditation. That you are generating a dedication for something or for someone, and then you don’t think about it any longer. Say, before meditation you might say, “I’m dedicating this meditation to [name omitted].”

ANON: Mm-hm.

ELIAS: Or “I’m dedicating this meditation to peace in a particular area.”

Now; in that, you do the same thing in this practice, because it strengthens the energy. Then you begin this discipline of learning how to move your attention to your subjective awareness. The objective is automatic, but learning how to do this in relation to the subjective is very powerful – and breathing is a tremendous tool to do that.

ANON: But you said I wouldn’t intentionally breathe deeply or diaphragmatically? Because that would be again the objective awareness taking control or directing?

ELIAS: Mm, it’s a matter of beginning in that capacity, yes. Not objectively intentionally choosing a pose, but in relation to breathing, beginning it in that manner and then while you’re doing that be aware of the directions of the subjective in addition to simply paying attention to breathing.

ANON: And the subjective –

ELIAS: Where does your subjective awareness want to take you with the breathing?

ANON: And the subjective awareness would communicate with myself though intuition, through imagination? It could be simply prompting a feel in my body how to move? Is it that –

ELIAS: Correct. Correct. And impressions.

ANON: Okay. And I would then receive this information from the subjective awareness, and I would move my body accordingly?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANON: And what then? Is the movement of the body then, is that the objective expression? And then again, I’m listening again to the subjective and make the next movement? Is that like a kind of dance?

ELIAS: It can be, yes. But I would say that in the beginning for most individuals, it may simply be paying attention to both those actions at the same time, and that may be challenging enough.

ANON: So the action of receiving the communication from subjective awareness and the action of expressing it through a physical movement?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANON: Okay.

ELIAS: And I would say that this may be tremendously helpful in relation to your workshops, as I expressed.

ANON: Mm-hm. So I can actually teach that practice once I am familiar with it?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANON: And you’ve spoken of the energy field and the energy centers as part of this practice? Or is that not something that these masters of regeneration or myself need to concern myself by doing it?

ELIAS: I’d say eventually, yes, that you would generate that involvement. I would definitely not suggest that you move that far with your students. That may be overwhelming to them. It’s too much information.

ANON: Mm-hm.

ELIAS: It’s too much information. I would say that YOU might be able to generate that relatively quickly, but it’s definitely something that I would say students would have difficulty with. It’s important for them to learn how to be aware of the subjective expressions and communications first, and how their breathing is connected with that.

ANON: Mm-hm. And in case I would include the energy field and the energy centers, if I would, let’s say, direct my green energy center to express itself in full strength, wouldn’t that still be again giving directions from the objective awareness?

ELIAS: It would be.

ANON: How would this practice –

ELIAS: And the whole point of this is to be allowing the subjective directions and then responding to that. Therefore, it would be a practice of being aware of how your subjective is communicating to you. Therefore, you might have a visual of a color, or you might sense a color, or you might sense or have a sensory response in a certain area of your body. Therefore in that, it’s how you are paying attention.

ANON: Okay. So let’s say metaphorically I could focus on an energy center but listening to it? Rather than directing it, I would listen to the green energy center and… and be open to the communications that it would provide?

ELIAS: Yes, you could do that. Or you could move, once again, in the opposite direction of allowing the subjective awareness to direct you to a particular energy center and then build from that.

ANON: Uh-huh, okay. But before we spoke about intention, so I guess it’s not… I understand that it’s not the point to have an intention such as regeneration or releasing energy, but it seems like there is the intention of becoming aware of the subjective and the objective in an equal manner. That would be the intention, wouldn’t it?

ELIAS: I would agree in part, but what I would say to you is, remember: The subjective part of you is equally you as the objective part of you. Therefore, that part of you knows what’s important to you, knows what you want to focus on, knows what you want to develop. And therefore, because it’s always in harmony with the objective, that part of you is going to be focused on and directing in manners that you would express as an intention anyway.

ANON: Hm. Wow!

ELIAS: Therefore it’s not necessary.

ANON: And how long would you say for myself and anybody listening to this and beginning this practice, what time would be good? How much time should we start doing this? Like half an hour daily, or… ? How much time should we invest to explore this practice?

ELIAS: I would say, beginning the practice for a half of an hour. (Pause)

ANON: Okay. And basically, to repeat myself I guess, the only directive from the objective awareness would be diaphragmatic breathing and the rest you have already explained. Right?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANON: But it would be –

ELIAS: And in that, it’s not a matter of attempting to not pay attention to the objective at all; that would be rather difficult. But it’s a matter of learning what that harmony is, and learning how to receive the input, if you will, of the other half of yourself.

ANON: Mm-hm. And I assume such a practice from the outside would look different every day? Because the body and the creativity of the body would be allowed to be fully expressed in such a practice?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANON: Mm-hm. So it would not look the same in –

ELIAS: I would definitely agree.

ANON: Okay. Is there anything else to conclude this that you would say for myself or for other people? Anything missing that we would need to start practicing this and exploring?

ELIAS: (Pause) I’d say that the only other piece that I would include at this point would be that when you’re engaging with allowing the subjective, you’re also automatically engaging more awareness of not more of the expression of, but more awareness of interconnectedness. Therefore you can draw on that. In relation to whatever you’re doing, you can draw on that energy to help.

ANON: And you mean also the interconnectedness with the people who are already practicing that?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANON: And would you agree that this practice could be very beneficial before going to sleep? As the subjective awareness is also in the primary position during dreaming?

ELIAS: Yes!

ANON: Okay. Okay. Well, thank you.

ELIAS: You are very welcome.

ANON: I’m excited about this practice. As I said, I lost my interest in yoga at the moment, so this sounds like something very creative and… yeah.

ELIAS: And challenging.

ANON: Mm-hm.

ELIAS: It’s not something that you’re going to easily direct immediately. It’s something that is definitely challenging because it’s not something that you are accustomed to doing.

ANON: Hm. Yeah.

ELIAS: But this is also significant because this is… not specifically but part of the subject I will be speaking about at our upcoming group interaction. The entire group interaction will be about the subjective awareness and becoming more aware of that, paying more attention to that.

ANON: Mm-hm. But this sounds like an excellent practice to do just that.

ELIAS: I would definitely agree. It moves very parallel to what I will be discussing. And it’s important because this is the next step in relation to the movement that you all are generating in relation to this shift. And I would say that people have been moving in the direction of expressing to myself a lot of whys: “Why this?” “Why that?” “Why this?” “Why that?” And the answer is the same in relation to all of it, that whatever it is that you don’t like and you don’t agree with and you don’t want, I would say in the capacity of what you have influence over and that you can change, it all has to do with being more aware of the choices that you’re making. Because I would say that there are still very many of you that are contributing to the very things you don’t want, and that you are disturbed by or bothered by, because you’re not paying attention to all of yourself and what choices you have. Everything is a choice.

ANON: Hm. Well, thank you.

ELIAS: You are very welcome.

ANON: I’m excited to share that with other people.

ELIAS: (Laughs) Excellent!

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