Stepping into a Different Reality: Part 11
Topics:
“Projecting in the Objective State”
“Preparing for Zero Separation”
“Going to Another World has Been in Preparation for a Long Time”
“Mindset for Suicide”
Saturday, July 19, 2025 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Nuno (Lystell)
ELIAS: Good morning!
NUNO: Hello, my friend.
ELIAS: And I express hello my friend to you also! (Both laugh)
NUNO: Very well.
ELIAS: And how shall we begin?
NUNO: Let me see. I would say let’s begin with the topic of how to project. And you suggested I do that and I’ve been practicing that, and it was a little more challenging than I thought but I believe I’m making some projections into it. I have another action that I do that is similar to what I was doing when I was observing the focuses, and I don’t think this is the same as projection at all, but I wanted to ask you as to whether it could also be beneficial, in that it’s similar to how I was observing the focuses but then I place myself into the scene and I interact with the focuses that are there as if I’m there. And I get very involved with these. It flows very naturally. It’s just like when I was observing the focuses. I was surprised how natural the flow was, if I’m observing a conversation let’s say between two focuses. I wouldn’t have to do any thinking. It just… I just observed and it was like watching TV.
ELIAS: Excellent.
NUNO: It’s almost the same thing then, when I put myself into the scene. I don’t have to really think about what I’m going to express or what the other person is going to express. It just seems to flow quite naturally. But I don’t think that this is actually the same thing as projecting, is it?
ELIAS: (Pause) In that, you’re actually interacting and you’re in that other time framework interacting, correct?
NUNO: Yes.
ELIAS: Yes, that is the same as projecting. A different method of projecting, but yes, it’s the same. It’s more involved and I would say more of a projection than most people do. Most people project and they don’t physically interact because they’re only engaging with their subjective awareness as their, their expression of themself. That’s the reason that they have the term of an astral body.
NUNO: And when I do this, well first of all generally what I do is I choose a kind of a time in my life over there that I would be doing this. So perhaps I will choose myself to be a small child, or I can choose myself to be a young man or something like that. So I choose that and then I choose a general environment. You know, a place and so on. And then I just engage that and see what happens. I would then start engaging with somebody. It might be somebody I know. It might be a family member. It might be just somebody else. What is unusual in this is of course that unlike an observation, this is actually… I’m placing myself into kind of like a future scenario that is I guess a probability, but it doesn’t actually exist. And also, I don’t have the awareness that I will have, if I was actually in that situation. Do you understand?
ELIAS: (Pause) If you were projecting into the future, why would you not have the awareness that you would have in that future, if you’re projecting to that future? It would be no different than interacting with a past focus. Your awareness and your perception is different in interacting with a past focus of yourself. And in that, if you were projecting to a future focus, you would be adjusted to that future perception.
NUNO: It was kind of a hypothetical question because I don’t feel that I am – how would you say? – that I am not fitting in. That’s not correct. The feeling I have is that I am fitting in, that I am there and I don’t have any experiences that would contradict that, when I do these projections.
ELIAS: I would agree, and I would express definite support and encouragement with that.
NUNO: Well, that’s good because the other thing I was going to say is that when I do these kinds of projections, I find them very pleasurable. They leave me with a sense of being content and happy. It’s a very uplifting experience.
ELIAS: Which is the point, which is also the reason that I was suggesting that.
NUNO: It’s much more so the way that I just described it, rather than just attempting to project myself into a particular location.
ELIAS: Correct.
NUNO: When I interact with people, that’s completely different.
ELIAS: Which this is, in a manner of speaking, a more advanced expression of projection.
NJNO: Well, I thought I was doing something different. I didn’t realize it was actually a projection.
ELIAS: You are doing something different. You’re doing a projection that is, as I expressed, more advanced than what most people would engage.
NUNO: Well, that’s very encouraging then. I would like to talk about Julius. And I would like to get a little bit more clarity on my interactions with that essence, and also whether I can improve how I interact with that essence. My experience is that I frequently sense that essence’s energy with me. Not always, but frequently. It depends on a number of things. So my assessment is that that essence is engaging me at particular times when conditions are best, and I also believe that the essence is engaging me particularly at night during sleep. Is this correct?
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: And I attempt to engage the essence more frequently, meaning during the day as well, and sometimes I am successful with that and sometimes I’m not. And at times I actually have a lot of difficulty not so much connecting with the essence, but… I guess what I really mean is at times the energy, I sense the energy as being not very strong. And I think that perhaps that means that at times that the essence is either unavailable or the circumstances are not correct. I don’t know. What would you say about that?
ELIAS: There can be two factors. One would be that at times the energy may appear to be not as strong because it’s that essence is still adjusting to how they interact and how they connect with you. Because you’re in physical focus and therefore they may be still adjusting to what is the best time, what is the best (pause) condition, so to speak. Meaning what condition you are expressing, such as if you are much more relaxed, much more open than other time frameworks. Therefore the essence may be adjusting to all of that. And the other piece is a matter of what energies are around you and therefore how that can be somewhat interfering. And that also requires adjustment for the other essence. It’s a matter of when another essence is moving closer and closer to you in an objective manner and that essence is moving closer in bonding with you, there does require that adjustment of energy to match yours and to not be interfered with by other energies.
NUNO: I get the impression this is, actually, these kinds of interactions are similar to an energy exchange in some ways?
ELIAS: Yes. It is. Very much so.
NUNO: It hasn’t really bothered me very much as an energy exchange might in some circumstances. I’m thinking that’s perhaps because our energies are similar in some way?
ELIAS: Correct.
NUNO: Interesting. Is it correct that Julius was one of the essences that was involved with the design of the human body?
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: I was also wondering if it would be beneficial or not to engage the twin, Julian, as well?
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: And if I was to do that, in what capacity would I do that? Would it be the same as the other one? Or in some other way?
ELIAS: The energy isn’t the same, and therefore the expression would not be the same. But you could engage that essence in a similar manner and then adjust to what is comfortable but also interesting to you.
NUNO: And this would not interfere with what Julius is doing?
ELIAS: No.
NUNO: Okay. That would be my concern. All right.
ELIAS: No.
NUNO: Okay. I think that’s all very good. Some things about my focus in Nova. I want to definitely be a thinker and that wasn’t something I was even aware of at the time that I made my list of characteristics for the focus, but I guess that will happen automatically, since I am now?
ELIAS: Yes. It wouldn’t, it wouldn’t happen automatically because you are now, but it would happen automatically because of your intentions with that focus of you, and how you’ve been engaging that and in a manner of speaking, how you’ve been designing it – or configuring yourself would be perhaps a more accurate expression of that.
NUNO: I mean just generally, I would much prefer to be a thinker than a non-thinker.
ELIAS: Correct.
NUNO: And not just in that reality. Just generally, in any reality.
ELIAS: I understand. That doesn’t mean you don’t have some focuses that are not, for the experience, but for the most part I would agree with you that you have moved in a direction of expressing most of your focuses as thinkers.
NUNO: I also want to be one of those people that moves in the direction of zero separation that we talked about last time and what I want to know is, whether this is something I need to prepare for or need to set an intent for, or this is something that will naturally evolve in time?
ELIAS: I’d say both. Meaning yes, it is something that will naturally evolve, but I would also say that it is something that you would (pause) not need to, but it would be tremendously beneficial to you, to prepare for.
NUNO: In what way?
ELIAS: Everything in your reality now is an expression of separation, even in relation to yourself and let us say objective and subjective awarenesses. There is a significant expression of separation between the two, rather than perceiving that as one whole and not perceiving it as two halves. But also, everything around you, everything around you, is an expression of separation because they’re things and you are a thing. And in that, it’s also perpetuated in relation to the uniqueness of you, but that also creates its own expression of separation. Do you understand?
NUNO: I believe so. Yes.
ELIAS: Very well. And therefore because of that, it’s something that would require practice in relation to that factor of interconnectedness and through that recognition of interconnectedness and the practicing of BEING interconnected, not simply knowing about it but actually being that and expressing that as a definite part of your reality, that changes your perception. And in that, I would say that that can be a valuable preparation for moving into the next reality, which does have that perception of that balance of the uniqueness of the individual but the realness of the interconnectedness of everything. Therefore the realness of moving in a direction of that lack of separation.
NUNO: Okay. I will try to address to that.
ELIAS: Excellent.
NUNO: What are Nova’s weaknesses?
ELIAS: Meaning?
NUNO: As a reality.
ELIAS: But meaning?
NUNO: Meaning things are very easy and simple in that reality, but I’m also cognizant of what you have said in the past regarding utopian realities. I don’t want it to be like that. What I want to do is keep things simple and easy, but also offer opportunities for them to challenge themselves, if they so choose. And that way, you don’t go in the direction of a utopian reality.
ELIAS: Correct. In which everyone has their own opinions in different directions. I would say that if you want to look at something that might be a downfall, so to speak, it would be the expression of that uniqueness of individuals and their opinions in difference.
Now, there is, as you’ve created, a tremendous acceptance of difference but at times people can be aggressive in relation to their stance, their position and their opinion. It doesn’t move in the direction of extreme conflict as it can and does in your world presently, but it can create heated expressions between individuals, let us say.
NUNO: I would have thought because of their self-awareness, which is quite comprehensive—
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: — that that would not be so much of a problem.
ELIAS: It’s not so much of a problem, but it’s not that it doesn’t exist also.
NUNO: But wouldn’t that stem from the male energy?
ELIAS: Not necessarily. I would say that it would more have to do with personality and what an individual might choose as they enter into this reality. And as I said, it wouldn’t escalate to extremes as it does in your reality now, because people would engage it differently and not be reactive. And therefore it wouldn’t be something that would necessarily be problematic, but something that could create some expression of conflict.
NUNO: I understand. Would you say that in comparison of Nova to other realities in that timeframe that this form of conflict has a greater potential in Nova?
ELIAS: Meaning?
NUNO: I’m trying to assess whether I have done something there that has made this more likely than it would have, had the reality been structured differently.
ELIAS: No.
NUNO: No?
ELIAS: No. I would say that it definitely simply has to do with different personalities and how they are expressed. And in that though, as I expressed, the individuals in that time framework would be engaging it differently. The individuals around that individual, let us say, as the hypothetical example would be interacting very differently than they do in your present time framework. Because there is that acceptance of difference and therefore it’s not threatening, and they would be interacting with the individual. Even if the individual became somewhat aggressive at a point, the other individuals would be interacting with them very differently than people do in your present time framework, because they in that acceptance of difference know that they’re not actually being threatened. Therefore there’s nothing to react to. That doesn’t mean that people don’t have time frameworks of excitement or even disappointment at times. They still are expressing all of their emotional expressions and all of their feeling signals. And they’re still engaging with the belief system of duplicity, but they’re engaging it very differently.
NUNO: Okay. I understand. I think that that’s quite a comprehensive answer.
ELIAS: Excellent.
NUNO: We talked about religion in Nova last time and I was left with the impression that Nova in that respect was somehow unique. Would you say that most other realities in that timeframe do incorporate religion?
ELIAS: (Pause) Perhaps not most, but some. And the religious expression is different, in that it’s not something that would move in the direction of discounting the individual in any capacity or expressing that the individual is less than, in any capacity. But yes, it does play a role.
NUNO: And I have the same question actually in relation to money. In that, is it common or how common is it that other realities in that timeframe still incorporate monetary exchange?
ELIAS: I’d say not very common. I would say that some of the more primitive societies do incorporate some form of exchange in currency, but for the most part no. Therefore it would not be something that would be common.
NUNO: One thing that in my imagining of, my observations, let’s put it that way, my observations of people in Nova, is that I don’t really have a sense for their clothing. And I’ve basically been imagining them in a very similar manner to this reality, although I think the materials may be a little bit different. And I find that kind of is probably unrealistic. What would you say? What are they dressing? What clothing are they using?
ELIAS: I would say that the clothing is more similar to linen than to what you commonly engage presently, and the clothing style is much more simple. It’s geared towards each climate, but in that, all of them are much more simple.
NUNO: But they would have possibly different attire for special occasions? Or dispense they with that?
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: Yes.
ELIAS: Yes. Yes. But even in that, it’s still very simple. And I would say that for the most part it’s more about including accessories such as bracelets and necklaces and anklets. The style of the clothing doesn’t change much.
NUNO: Okay. That’s fine. I’d like to know if my older sister in Nova, whether that essence has a focus in this reality that I am aware of?
ELIAS: That you are aware of?
NUNO: Yeah.
ELIAS: No.
NUNO: Okay. I thought I found one, but maybe not. (Laughs) Okay. Let’s skip that. (Elias laughs) No, it’s just my dentist actually, she’s… We connect very well and I like her. She likes me, and I like her professionally. And I’m guessing that there is some kind of a history in focuses with that one.
ELIAS: I would agree.
Now, I would say that that is a possibility that that could change and she could insert herself into that, but at this present time framework, no.
NUNO: Okay. That’s fine. Okay, here’s a question that’s not actually much to do with Nova, but… Is the subjective awareness of each focus of one essence… So, the essence expresses a number of focuses and in that, each focus has a subjective awareness of course. But is the subjective awareness of each focus separate or is it actually all one for all of the focuses?
ELIAS: It’s individual, but it is all connected.
NUNO: But more connected than objective awareness. The objective awareness is very specific to the focus.
ELIAS: Correct.
NUNO: Yeah. It would be, of course, connected. But it would be connected but also specific in some ways?
ELIAS: Correct.
NUNO: The essences that aid me in this reality, first of all how many are there?
ELIAS: Your impression?
NUNO: Fourteen.
ELIAS: Fifteen.
NUNO: Okay. I was close. I should have actually gone with fifteen. (Both laugh) I kind of knew that, but that’s because Tingua told me, but anyway. The question I have is, will these be going with me? Or will there be a new—
ELIAS: Definitely.
NUNO: Okay. The same ones?
ELIAS: Yes. Yes.
NUNO: Okay. All right. I actually know very few of these. Are you one of them?
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: And Lawrence?
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: And Tingua of course, and Ahmal. But other than that, I don’t really… I don’t really have an awareness of the other ones.
ELIAS: I would say that that’s simply a matter of attention. If you want to be aware of them, you will be.
NUNO: Yes. But that’ll be easier in Nova in any case.
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: Are animals different in Nova?
ELIAS: Some. Because it’s a different time and a significantly different time, and therefore through evolution yes, some animals are considerably different.
NUNO: When I was a teenager, I used to have this fantasy about summoning a spaceship to come take me away to another world and it was a recurring fantasy for a certain timeframe, about when I was a teenager. Then it stopped and I had completely forgotten about that until recently when I remembered that. And I thought, well that’s interesting, that even back then I was already thinking about moving to another world.
ELIAS: Correct.
NUNO: Do you have anything to add?
ELIAS: I would say just as with any physical manifestation, it takes time for that energy to configure. And in that, whatever you’re doing now and whatever you engage now has been in the works, so to speak, for quite some time.
NUNO: Yeah. I think you mentioned that before. I just didn’t give it any attention, or didn’t even actually have awareness of that until quite recently.
ELIAS: Which is understandable. And in that, now it’s relevant and therefore now you are paying attention to it.
NUNO: Yes. Another question, a question about the body consciousness. Since the body consciousness doesn’t think, how does it know when to allow a person to disengage?
ELIAS: That comes from you, from your mind. Remember the distinction between your mind and your brain. And that comes from you as your mind and your intention at the time, and your body responds to that.
NUNO: But that IS my intention and it’s not responding.
ELIAS: I understand. But in that, there’s still somewhat of a hold to this reality. I would say that it’s the same as any other action that you engage in your reality. When you genuinely give up with something, that’s when the movement happens.
NUNO: And I haven’t genuinely given up?
ELIAS: Correct.
NUNO: Oh. That’s disappointing.
ELIAS: You definitely have a very strong intention, but the difference is that you know that what that means is completely giving up this reality and giving up this body. And what that means is the body will die.
NUNO: But I know that.
ELIAS: I know you know that. And that’s what I’m saying, is that that is the hinge piece. In a manner of speaking, the linchpin.
NUNO: I thought I had addressed to that.
ELIAS: It’s not a matter of addressing to it. It’s a matter of giving up and letting go.
NUNO: Okay. Tell me what I need to do, to do that.
ELIAS: I’d say, in a manner of speaking, it would be the same in some respects as committing suicide without doing the physical action, but having that same drive that an individual has in relation to that action of committing suicide. They entirely are in a direction of giving up and letting go of this reality, to the point that they do move in that direction of suicide. It’s very similar. It’s the same mindset. It’s the same energy. It’s simply not the physical action of it.
NUNO: I thought the mindset for that was desperation.
ELIAS: For suicide?
NUNO: Yeah.
ELIAS: Not always. It’s… It’s sometimes some people are expressing that desperation, but that’s a matter of the individual. If the individual is what you might term to be a tortured soul, then yes, they, they have that desperation and they would be generating usually some type of violent action that is fast. Other people aren’t necessarily desperate and they have many different reasons for moving in that direction and generating that action.
NUNO: Well, I certainly have a good reason.
ELIAS: Repeat.
NUNO: I said I certainly have a good reason.
ELIAS: I would agree.
NUNO: So what do I need to do? What adjustments do I need to make?
ELIAS: What direction do you want to move in?
NUNO: I don’t understand the question. I mean, you know that. You know what direction I want to move in.
ELIAS: How do you want to engage this action?
NUNO: I’m flexible to a point.
ELIAS: To a point meaning?
NUNO: Quick. It must be quick.
ELIAS: Quick. I would say that quick can be accomplished in many capacities that would be somewhat easy. Meaning you could engage some type of medication. You could engage some type of action that is fast and definite, such as some type of leap. You could engage the ocean. It simply depends on what you want to do.
NUNO: Yeah. None of those are terribly appealing. (Elias laughs) What I want to do is continue… (Elias laughs) What I want to is continue with Julius, and I like what he’s doing.
ELIAS: Ah!
NUNO: Yeah.
ELIAS: Then that is your answer. I would say that that’s not necessarily quick, but I would say that it’s likely comfortable.
NUNO: Yeah, those other things just… They don’t have a lot of appeal to me.
ELIAS: I understand.
NUNO: Speaking of which—
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: I have an emotional trigger that’s been with me a long time, I think all my life. Well, maybe not all my life, but I didn’t really recognize it until some recent time. In that, if I am in some way aware, it could be that I’m witnessing it, it could be that I read about it. It doesn’t really matter. I become aware of a situation. It could be on TV or a movie even. If I’m aware of a situation in which someone – sometimes it’s something, but it’s more often someone – is in urgent need of being rescued, and that then there is an effort by other people to rescue that person, that triggers me just incredibly. It just makes me fall to pieces. It happens very frequently in this life. It even happens, for example, if I think too much about the forestry robots in Nova, because there what’s being rescued is the environment but it’s kind of that kind of thing.
So I was thinking about this and I was thinking about that past life in Egypt which I had together with Tingua, which we actually talked a little bit about some time ago and in which, in that life, I drowned. And I kind of have an impression that that is the source of that emotional trigger, because there was a rescue effort made and I think Tingua herself tried to rescue me but the effort failed. Is that the source of that?
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: And what’s interesting about this is that that’s from another focus.
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: And it has such a strong effect upon me in this focus.
ELIAS: That happens sometimes, especially if there is a component of some type of violence. It doesn’t mean that the violence has to be one individual against another individual. It can be a natural expression and it could be something such as drowning or being in an earthquake that is very, very dangerous and that you die in. It could be anything. Or it could even be something such as war. That is something that actually plagues many individuals in other focuses.
NUNO: Okay. Well, my concern is, is that going to follow me into Nova?
ELIAS: Likely no, because you’re addressing it now. Meaning you’re looking at it. You’re seeing where it comes from and making that distinction about now versus then.
NUNO: Okay. Because I haven’t been terribly successful in addressing to it, up to now. Well, I haven’t actually tried too hard either. I mean I have, as you say, identified it, but beyond that I haven’t done much to address to it.
ELIAS: I would say that that is a choice. You can or you might choose not to, in this focus. But being aware of it in the manner that you are is enough that it, you won’t carry it with you.
NUNO: Okay. Because the other piece is I am an emotional focus type and in Nova I’ll be a thought focus type. So I think that will alleviate it?
ELIAS: That will definitely have an influence.
NUNO: Okay. So this is not something I need to be concerned about, as far as Nova is concerned?
ELIAS: Correct.
NUNO: Okay. Well…
ELIAS: Correct.
NUNO: Okay. Well I’m glad I identified that, because I thought that was the piece. And I have to say, I did get help with that from Tingua on that.
ELIAS: Good.
NUNO: I’m at the end of my list of questions for you, so now I’m going to turn it over to you for words of wisdom and whatever wonderful things you’ve got to say.
ELIAS: (Chuckles) I would be very encouraging of you, my dear friend, and expressing to you that I know that it can be frustrating that you’re not already there, but I would say in encouragement that you are continuing to move in that direction quite well. This is something that is new and different, and I would say that that makes it not as easy. But you’re doing it anyway, and that is tremendous and I applaud you.
I would also express that at this point you’re creating enough of that being a reality, not simply an idea, that in that, I would encourage you also to be looking at those differences, such as what new species of animals and plants are being engaged in that reality. I would say that your mother has some plants that don’t exist in your reality in this present time framework.
NUNO: Mm. That’s interesting. Yeah. Oh, I was going to mention that. I mean, we talked a little bit about Milumet and Samantha being Milumet-aligned. And one of the things that struck me when I read about what you had said about Milumet was that people that are Milumet-aligned or belonging or whatever often have an attraction to rocks and minerals and things like that?
ELIAS: Yes. Yes.
NUNO: But that’s something that I have. I mean, for… This is one of the things I found interesting, because I’ve always appreciated, for a long time I’ve appreciated stones and things like that. I’m attracted to them, even though I’m not Milumet.
ELIAS: I very much understand. And remember that regardless of whether you are belonging or aligning with a particular essence family, you also have qualities of all of them.
NUNO: Right.
ELIAS: And therefore you might be expressing different qualities of some of those essence families at different time frameworks in which they come through in your objective expressions as draws. And in that, I would say that once again, as I expressed previously, many things that you are expressing now, such as your mother in that reality being Milumet, that has been in process of that creation for quite some time. Therefore you making a connection with that through certain expressions is understandable.
[The timer for the end of the session rings]
NUNO: And speaking of Samantha, I engaged that essence for a conversation after we spoke last time because you kind of hinted that perhaps I wasn’t fully comfortable with her. And are you aware of that interaction I had with the essence?
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: And was my…? Well, actually it was her that brought to my attention the reason for that discomfort.
ELIAS: (Pause) Repeat.
NUNO: And are you in agreement with what… Well, what I believe is the essence expressed that it was having to do with the appearance that I have chosen for the focus in Nova. [See Note 1]
ELIAS: Yes
NUNO: That’s what I thought. And so… And I did have a slight discomfort, and I didn’t understand what it was because I didn’t see anything that would cause me discomfort in the observations of the focus. But now I understand it was because of the appearance I have chosen for the focus, so that’s fine. I’m reluctant to change that. I don’t really want to change the appearance of the focus at this late time. Would you say that—
ELIAS: You don’t have to.
NUNO: Yeah, I know I don’t have to. I think it’s going to be fine, and besides that association I have with the appearance, it’s got to do with this reality. It’s got to do with this personality. It’s got nothing to do with—
ELIAS: I understand. Yes.
NUNO: Okay. Then that’s all I had. Thank you.
ELIAS: You are exceptionally welcome, my friend. And I shall be looking forward to our next meeting, however it is arranged. (Chuckles) And I shall be offering my energy to you, as I always do, in tremendous support and in aid of your movement.
In wondrous love to you, in dear friendship, as always, au revoir.
NUNO: Au revoir.
(Elias departs after 59 minutes)
Note 1 from Nuno: I chose the appearance of my mother in Nova to be an exceptionally attractive woman, but I often feel somewhat uncomfortable in the presence of such women in this life.
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