The Epstein Case, the Elites and Trump
Topics:
“The Epstein Case, the Elites and Trump”
“A Continuing Trafficking Situation Throughout the Globe”
Session 20250717 Excerpt
Thursday, July 17, 2025 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Karen (Turell)
[Excerpt begins partway through session]
KAREN: Well, I’m sure you’ve already had clients talk to you about Jeffrey Epstein again, because he’s in the news.
ELIAS: Actually, no.
KAREN: What? All right. (Elias laughs) Then my friend, let us get into it.
ELIAS: Very well.
KAREN: So the situation here in America is that there is new interest in the Jeffrey Epstein evidence.
ELIAS: Mm-hm.
KAREN: That came from after he – is he truly dead or is he still alive?
ELIAS: Epstein?
KAREN: Yes.
ELIAS: Dead.
KAREN: He’s dead. Did he really die in…? Did he die in the cell or did he die later?
ELIAS: Slightly later.
KAREN: Okay. Do you mean slightly later because he was still alive when he was in the cell, but he died at the hospital or en route to the hospital?
ELIAS: Yes. Yes. Yes.
KAREN: Okay. So now you had told people that he was, that he was alive, that he continued to stay alive.
ELIAS: I would say yes, but that was in relation to the energy. Which is very unusual. No one asked about it and therefore I didn’t necessarily share, but it is very unusual that an individual actually can sustain their energy here in your reality and in doing so, they’re not actually what you would term to be entirely dead because they’re not removing their energy from this reality.
KAREN: Mm-hm.
ELIAS: They’re not removing it entirely from the body consciousness, and then they’re not removing it from the reality. Which is not the same as an energy deposit.
KAREN: Mm-hm.
ELIAS: And it’s unusual. It doesn’t happen very often.
KAREN: So did he kill himself or was he killed?
ELIAS: He did not commit suicide.
KAREN: All right. So here’s my question.
ELIAS: Yes?
KAREN: So there’s mountains of evidence that he kept that connect to blackmail.
ELIAS: Mountains of evidence what?
KAREN: That he kept—
ELIAS: Ah.
KAREN: — in his home, to blackmail people, because he had cameras everywhere. And you know, it’s now surmised by certain people that this is why he… These… As this evidence is not coming to light, because there’s too many people in positions of power that were engaging with him and these underaged kids, having sex with them.
ELIAS: Correct.
KAREN: Correct?
ELIAS: Yes.
KAREN: But they’re also saying now that he was potentially an operative of the Israeli intelligence service.
ELIAS: No.
KAREN: No. Okay, that just blows my… That blows my theory, which was that the reason the U.S. government has not taken action on Israel is that there’s too many, there’s too much blackmail that the Israeli government could have on U.S. elite. That has kept the U.S. from actually intervening in the Gaza situation.
ELIAS: Mm, I’d say that for the most part, that’s a conspiracy theory. But I would also express to you that yes, he did have a lot of ties in a lot of directions and other countries, and Israel would be one of them.
KAREN: Would Russia be another one?
ELIAS: Oh yes.
KAREN: Would Russia be a bigger one? More than the Israeli government?
ELIAS: Mm, no. Not necessarily. But definitely a participant. But there are actually many countries that were participants or that ARE, still.
KAREN: So this leads me to my final question. This feels to me almost like climate change, in that the… In the interests, the interests that corporations have in not complying to help our planet, at least aid in not making situations worse. It is really part of an elite structure, that people can feel powerless within, and that this man had built a lab of complicity at elite levels that almost feels like… Like I’m pretty… I’m assuming it might bring Trump down, but I don’t think information is going to get leaked because of so many elites are in this. And it reminds me of the sense of individual power against the elite structures. I mean, do you think a, on a subjective level, that is what’s being presented here?
ELIAS: What I would say is I would make a distinction between the elite individuals and other individuals that are not part of the elites but that wield tremendous power and influence. And this particular individual was one of those people.
KAREN: That makes sense.
ELIAS: And I would say that there are others that are not as, let us say, obvious or public. That was his downfall, and that has been other individuals’ downfall also. They are very self-absorbed and self-impressed. And in relation to that, that’s what generates the situation in which they make mistakes. But – and when I say mistakes, I mean that in relation to your reality and what you view as mistakes that would lead to their downfall – but the machine continues.
KAREN: Yeah.
ELIAS: Therefore the factor that one of the powerheads of the machine was, let us say, apprehended didn’t dismantle the machine at all.
KAREN: Right. Does this have the…? I mean, now there is such a backlash against Trump and the release of this information, because people are beginning to realize yes indeed he was involved in all of this. Will this bring down, his downfall? Or will this just be a piece in people becoming disenchanted with him, which it seems like it already is?
ELIAS: I would say it’s possible.
KAREN: Ooh! (Both laugh)
ELIAS: It is possible. I would say that in your reality and in your terms, another mistake.
KAREN: Mm-hm. Totally self-absorbed.
ELIAS: And—
KAREN: It’s the self-absorbed mistake. You were just saying.
ELIAS: Yes. Yes. Another one. Which does eventually lead to their downfall. And I would say that if your President Clinton could be impeached (chuckles) in relation to one individual and the scandal that ensued – which was actually quite entertaining – but in that, that was not a trafficking ring situation.
KAREN: Right.
ELIAS: And this is.
KAREN: Yes.
ELIAS: And this is a trafficking situation throughout the world, throughout the globe.
KAREN: Yes.
ELIAS: Which is significant.
(Excerpt ends after 11 minutes)
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