Dream Imagery of Exposure
Topics:
“Dream Imagery of Exposure”
“Tapping into Another Dimension”
“Time Travel”
“Using Intuition in the Stock Market and Roulette”
Sunday, May 11, 2025 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Paul (Paneus)
ELIAS: Good morning!
PAUL: Good morning, Elias.
ELIAS: And how shall we begin?
PAUL: Well, let’s do some fun stuff. I think they’re fun. I had a… Back in early April I had a couple of interesting dreams that I was a little unclear in the imagery. And there’s one dream where I got accidentally cut in the stomach by a knife from this one, somewhat deranged type of guy that was— he was part of our group, okay? But he was… He would go unhinged every so often and we’d had to pull him away from getting caught by the police and we had to hide him and stuff like that. Eventually the police found out where we were hiding him at, and then came to get him. I remember he… Somehow he accidentally cut my stomach with a knife. I remember as the paramedics were coming in I pulled on my shirt and it opened up like, wow, this is a pretty severe wound. And I’m trying think what the imagery was. Was that a health thing associated with my stomach region? Or was it imagery of something else, like watching my diet or something like that? What’s your take on the imagery?
ELIAS: I would say that this is imagery of exposure. And in that, remember: exposure is not about other people. It’s about you, that you expose things to yourself. And in this, the individual that seems to be somewhat unstable is imagery of you in relation to exposure to yourself. And—
PAUL: What? Yeah, go ahead.
ELIAS: In that, this individual is not you per se but an image of an action of presenting different things to yourself and exposing to yourself. And the imagery of cutting you in the stomach is imagery of presenting that exposure in a considerably obvious capacity.
PAUL: Is there a…? Am I…? Is this general, about exposing like concepts or experiences? Or what am I exposing myself to? New concepts? Experiences? You know, time travel?
ELIAS: No.
PAUL: I mean, what are we talking about?
ELIAS: Yes, experiences, but I would say exposing yourself to different expressions and experiences of yourself that either you’re not entirely aware of yet or they are expressions of different things that you have kept either secret or locked away, in relation to your experiences in your life. Something that is uncomfortable.
PAUL: Okay. So this is something that I’m just… I’m aware of it. I just choose not to address it? Or just, you know…
ELIAS: Yes.
PAUL: So it’s not like something that’s not on my awareness?
ELIAS: For the most part, no.
PAUL: Okay. So you’re saying that it’d be purposeful for me to bring it back up and spend some more time digesting it?
ELIAS: Yes.
PAUL: Oh. I’ve got to think about that one then. (Both laugh) Well I mean… See… You’re thinking go back through all my life and find things that I’m not proud of maybe? And wade into those? (Pause) Elias? Elias?
[The connection is broken and is re-established]
ELIAS: Continuing.
PAUL: (Laughs) So were you going to say something more about those expressions of myself that I’m not…? You’re saying it’s of value for me to go back and analyze or rethink some of those past expressions, and see what value—
ELIAS: And behaviors. Yes. Yes. I would agree.
PAUL: Okay. Okay.
ELIAS: Because you’re presenting that to yourself for a reason. And I would say that it’s also part of your expansion, your own self-awareness and the expansion of that. And in that, it’s a dream that is presenting that information to you to look at different behaviors and where they come from or what has influenced them, and how they may be hindering your movement in becoming more self-aware. Do you understand?
PAUL: Not entirely, but I guess I’ll have to give it some thought. Unless you want to give me a short example, maybe? I don’t know.
ELIAS: It’s a matter of behaviors that are very familiar to you, or that you’re so accustomed to that they’re automatic. And I would say likely it would be behaviors that you have established with your daughter. I know you have addressed to many of them already, but I would say it’s likely behaviors that you have with your daughter, and therefore moving in a direction of not continuing them with your grandchildren as they get older.
PAUL: Mm. Okay, I’ve got to think about that one.
ELIAS: Very well.
PAUL: Yeah, so maybe it’s like… Well, I find myself sometimes acquiescing.
ELIAS: Yes.
PAUL: Yeah. To, when there’s an issue, to my daughter, just to bring down the tension, I just acquiesce. So something like that would be one to really focus on?
ELIAS: Yes. Yes.
PAUL: Okay. I’ve got that. (Laughs) That’s probably a good one. Yeah. Okay.
ELIAS: I would agree.
PAUL: Yeah. Yeah. That’s good. That’s why we have these discussions, Elias.
There was another dream that I had. This is kind of an interesting one. I didn’t really get the imagery. I was seeing a rabbit. I was driving a car, something like a car. It jumped into my lap and I couldn’t shift the car. And then the rabbit rolled on its back and began peeing. And some of it got in my face, and I remember I had a… I kind of got upset and tapped on the head with a plastic cap or something like that. And I remember distinctly the rabbit didn’t like that. What the heck is this imagery? Obviously the car is my motion, through my life, advancement of my life. I’m trying to understand what the rabbit is in that dream.
ELIAS: Actually this is an interesting dream, considering your direction in relation to time travel, but this is off in a different direction. This is imagery actually of tapping into another dimension. That being wasn’t a rabbit, but that’s the closest translation that you have. And the imagery of it peeing, so to speak, was not that either. That was its attempt to be communicating with you. And you’re correct, you tapping it on the head didn’t make it happy. (Both laugh)
PAUL: So why did I create this dream? I mean, what’s the rationale?
ELIAS: That actually wasn’t dream imagery. That actually was you tapping into another dimension.
PAUL: Okay. Then I’m… So... Okay, so that kind of begs another question about… So I could… Was that…? Elias, was that like a… Well, obviously it was a projection of consciousness, right?
ELIAS: Yes.
PAUL: Okay. So I could project my consciousness in that, other dimensions, or time travel. In both my dream state, my deep relaxation state or my meditation state, right?
ELIAS: Yes.
PAUL: So that was a… I didn’t… For my awareness, I wasn’t… For my waking awareness, I didn’t choose that. Why did my subjective side choose that experience? Just another “Hey, you have this option, this capability”?
ELIAS: Yes.
PAUL: And am I still on the path then to physically time travel? It’s now been… You told me about a year and a half, about six months ago. So I’m now still on the same rate of progress? So a year from now I should be able to do physical time travel?
ELIAS: Yes.
PAUL: Okay. One thing I… (Sighs) I think my recalling of these events is needing to be improved, and I’m not always… It seems like I go through phases where I have some solid recall, decent recall, and other times I get almost zero recall. Is there any other tool or method or whatnot that could help improve my recall?
ELIAS: (Pause) Yes. Whether it is a meditation or a dream, it’s a matter of, in a manner of speaking, snapping yourself out of the dream or the meditation quickly to then give yourself the opportunity to recall what was happening and to record that, whether it is to be speaking it or writing it. And in that, when you snap yourself out of a meditation or a dream it does actually help to increase your recall of the imagery. Also I would say that the more you can keep yourself in a light sleep state, the more you will recall your dreams.
PAUL: Okay. That’s usually by—
ELIAS: In that, it may seem like you’re dreaming more, but you’re actually not. You’re simply maintaining a very light sleep state in which you can recall your dreams easily.
PAUL: On the meditation or deep relaxation approaches to time travel projection, we say snap out of it quickly. Would setting like an alarm to go off…?
ELIAS: Yes.
PAUL: At a… I typically have an alarm, but it doesn’t snap me back quickly (laughs) I guess, enough. Is it…? Maybe it’s a time. Is it like keeping it to just fifteen or twenty minutes more effective than longer?
ELIAS: Yes. Because you want to catch yourself in that light state, because that’s when you’re going to have a greater recall of whatever imagery you’re creating.
PAUL: Okay, so keep it, set the alarm for seventeen minutes and then… Yeah. Okay, well I usually do have an alarm so I don’t fall asleep for an hour or something like that. I usually do keep it down to that seventeen-minute mark, so…
Hey, speaking of recall, I want to bounce two deep relaxation… I was doing the power nap type of methodology and I was going to the temple of Delphi in this projection. I believe it was a projection. I saw the pillars were red on the temple, and I remember seeing this woman wearing a… She was wearing white with some colored trim. I don’t remember the colors. Almost like a reddish-purple but not purple, on her trim. But she’s carrying a vase on her head to place in the offering section of the temple. Was that an accurate projection?
ELIAS: Yes.
PAUL: Oh! Okay. And another one I had, I’m not really recalling enough but I did get ancient Carthage. And what I remember is this street vendor holding up something to sort of passers-by, like he was hawking his wares if you will. He was wearing this white, unique-looking-shaped cap. But I wondered, when you’re doing a projection, are you like a ghost where you just pass through people? Because I remember distinctly the street was real crowded. I was worried, like how can I go through with all these people here, because it was so packed in the streets. I mean, does it—
ELIAS: I would say correct. That your idea of being somewhat similar to a ghost is correct. Most of the time people won’t see you. You can actually pass through them.
PAUL: Okay. Okay.
ELIAS: And occasionally an individual might sense you, and therefore notice something different in the energy around them.
PAUL: Yeah. That’s like that one lady in the cathedral during Charlemagne’s coronation. She looked over, right where I was standing, and she had this odd look on her face and she was recognizing my energy.
ELIAS: Yes.
PAUL: I think you even told me that before. Yeah.
Okay. Diet. I still have preference for having a sweet late at night, like around nine o’clock or so. And I haven’t had, to my awareness, I haven’t had ill effects associated with having like a cookie or a candy bar type of thing. I’ve had racing heart issues that I’m aware of.
ELIAS: Good.
PAUL: Is that still okay, to have a sweet around nine o’clock at night or so?
ELIAS: And what time do you go to bed?
PAUL: About ten thirty, eleven.
ELIAS: Yes. That’s fine.
PAUL: Oh. Well, good! (Laughs) That’s what I wanted to hear.
ELIAS: Very well. (Laughs)
PAUL: On my skin cancer on my face, is the zinc bacitracin still effective? I mean, I know it’s like in the short-term it seems like it helps, but the stuff will, the skin cancer will come back if I don’t do it every single day. And I usually try to apply it once a day. Is it…? How effective is it?
ELIAS: I would say it is quite effective in arresting it, and containing it that it doesn’t spread and that it doesn’t become worse and eventually it does little by little move in the direction of having it go away.
PAUL: Would the occasional, because I… Would the occasional freezing of a spot assist in that effort?
ELIAS: Yes.
PAUL: There’s no harm, there’s no harm in occasionally freezing a spot and going back and doing the, the next day doing the zinc bacitracin?
ELIAS: Correct.
PAUL: Okay. Well that’s what… I’ve been kind of doing it, but it’s like some of these spots are just not going away (laughs) and they’re just like, it’s just like they’re still hanging out. So I’ll just… I’ll keep up… The reason I’m asking these questions, Elias, is because a while back I went to my skin doctor and he, a year ago, he did a surgery on my cheek and it left a scar. And I don’t want to have more scars on my face if I can avoid it, so that’s why I’m… I want to make sure that this will be successful in removing it, so I don’t need to have surgery on other spots.
ELIAS: I understand. I understand, and I would also say that an effective physician or a skilled physician should be able to remove that without it scarring.
PAUL: Yeah. Well, I mean he did, the scar has definitely improved, but you can still see, at least I can still see where it was at. So, okay.
Let’s talk about work. I’m not sure when we last spoke about work, but did I tell you the fact I have a new boss?
ELIAS: Yes.
PAUL: Yeah. So he’s been… Well, my new boss as well as the executive VP, his boss—
ELIAS: Yes.
PAUL: — have been playing, playing me up and playing my group up in a very, very pronounced way. We’re going through this realignment of the organization, but he’s definitely playing up how my group will be involved in this new process with product management and Paul’s, you know, we’re looking for Paul to really kind of lead this effort. Is he playing me up in this regard for a new role in the company? An increased role in the company? And will it also be a promotion?
ELIAS: The latter is a possibility, the former not entirely.
PAUL: Okay. So same, same world I’m currently playing in right now. It’s just… It seems like… I’m just sensing a change and I can’t put my finger on it. A positive change because I’m getting a lot of good publicity from him as well as his boss.
ELIAS: Yes. I would agree with that.
PAUL: Yeah. I have -- and maybe this is a projection, you can tell me this – a view of Hamilcar Barca, which is a past focus of mine, being stuck in a place. It might have been in a room or part of a city or something like that that was on fire, and that’s where he died. Is that correct?
ELIAS: Correct.
PAUL: Okay. So was it a city or village that he was…?
ELIAS: Yes.
PAUL: Okay. And it was during a battle?
ELIAS: Correct.
PAUL: Okay. Okay. Because historians did not, historians have no clear indication about… They said at one point he drowned. Another one said he threw himself on a funeral pyre. So there’s no… They don’t have… I’m surprised the historians don’t have a clear take on how he died.
ELIAS: And now you do.
PAUL: (Laughs) Well, I’m surprised THEY don’t, you know? (Elias laughs) Because it’s not like he’s a… Because he was a famous person for the Carthaginians, you know, so…
ELIAS: I would say that you may be discovering that written history is not always entirely accurate.
PAUL: Yeah. Oh, you’re saying with my time travel projections I’ll find some more details out. Yeah. I’m actually very much looking forward to that activity. (Laughs) In a very big way, because me, to me it’s like… I don’t know how… It’s like… Like I was actually thinking about oh, maybe some future time I’d like to go travel to the country of Tunisia, where Carthage was based at, but then I realized wait, there’s no ruins from ancient Carthage. The closest thing they have is some Roman ruins that were in that area, but there’s no ruins from the original city. And to me it would not be much to see. And so then I was like well, I’d probably rather just do a time travel projection or eventually a physical projection to Carthage, because it would be more exciting, more interesting.
ELIAS: I would agree.
PAUL: (Laughs) So, another dream. This one was puzzling to me, whether it’s imagery or you were actually trying to give me… This is going back like two or three weeks ago. Whether or not it was literal, but I was talking to you and you told me to invest in a put option with… the stock ticker symbol was either HIL or HIJT, I don’t remember exactly. It’s at the strike price of fourteen dollars. And what was unusual is that you’re very specific. You said the strike price should be set at fourteen for your put option and you gave me, or at least I vaguely remember you’re telling me what the ticker symbol was. Was this a literal communication or was this a figurative communication?
ELIAS: Figurative.
PAUL: Okay. So… And I’ve done a few put options lately and I guess we can talk about them in a minute, but what was the figurative aspect, Elias?
ELIAS: (Pause) Not the price, but it was not literal in relation to one thing. (Pause)
PAUL: Can you explain that?
ELIAS: It was more associated with pay attention and look for that price, not necessarily in relation to one thing, one specific thing—
PAUL: Pay attention to—
ELIAS: But more—Yes. Yes.
PAUL: Pay attention to fourteen dollars? I don’t get that.
ELIAS: Pay attention to what presents itself to you as that price.
PAUL: Oh! Okay. So like something in the stock market? Or something at the store? Or…?
ELIAS: At the stock market.
PAUL: Okay. As a form of an investment or a form of a put option?
ELIAS: Investment.
PAUL: Okay. Well, I’m going to have to… Now is that…? Since this was a few weeks ago, and the stock market’s gone up and down, would the fourteen dollars still be an appropriate number to look at? Or has that come and gone, since it’s been a few weeks?
ELIAS: No. I would say that it is something that is appropriate to look at now.
PAUL: So find a stock… Well if I had to pull a list of all the stocks that are right around fourteen dollars…
ELIAS: Yes.
PAUL: And then use my intuition to pick out which one to invest in?
ELIAS: Correct.
PAUL: Okay. Okay. So I will test that one out.
ELIAS: Very well.
PAUL: (Laughs) Okay. Okay. So… I was going to ask something else. Oh! So speaking of stocks, I did a couple of options over the last couple weeks and in both cases it was positive for me but in my mind, I thought with my intuition, I had a certain exit point. And in both cases, the stock, the option ended up losing value, to zero because it never went to that exit point. It didn’t get that high in value. And was that one where I just would be more greedy? I just need to realize that hey, pay attention to the market at a point in time. It may not necessarily get to that valuation. Is that kind of the moral of the story here for me?
ELIAS: Yes. Yes. Yes.
PAUL: Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah, because in both cases I was just like oh, I’ll wait for it to go back to that level and it never just hit that level. So I’ve got to read the energy of the market.
ELIAS: It gave you information as what to pay attention to and in that, to move in a direction of adding that opportunity to listen to your intuition and to, in a manner of speaking, walk back and forth with it.
PAUL: Say that again?
ELIAS: Not—
PAUL: Say that again?
ELIAS: I expressed walk back and forth with it. Therefore instead of simply sitting and waiting for a particular stock to move in a particular direction, allow yourself to use your intuition and go back and forth with the expressed amount. And in that, you can be playing with that said amount and playing with affecting the mass expression in relation to that, because you’re not doing this alone. Therefore it’s also a matter of playing with the mass expression—
PAUL: Oh!
ELIAS: — in relation, in relation to the amount. And if you’re, in a manner of speaking, rocking back and forth with it, then you’re playing with the mass expression and generating an influence.
PAUL: Mm. I got it. I understand.
ELIAS: Excellent.
PAUL: (Laughs) Well, it’s not going to be easy, I can tell you right now. Because I kind of had an assessment. It’s not easy. It’s something I guess I have to keep playing with. It’s kind of like playing, when I was on a cruise ship, playing roulette. I had this streak of being successful. Then I had a streak where I just lost my winnings. And I was trying to use my intuition.
So I’ve got a question. So I was trying to use my intuition as to what the number’s going to be when its ball is being rolled. And I’m puzzled why I wasn’t more successful consistently.
ELIAS: Because it’s not a matter of that. If you’re using your intuition, it’s not a matter of attempting to express what the ball is going to do. It’s a matter of YOU expressing a particular energy to influence the ball.
PAUL: Ah! So maybe concentrate more on the—
ELIAS: You’re giving the ball, you’re giving the ball the power.
PAUL: I understand. So you’re basically saying you’ve got to use your energy to make the ball do what you want it to do.
ELIAS: Correct.
PAUL: (Laughs) I will have to try that out again, Elias.
Last one, since we’re down to the last minute here, I got a phone call on Friday when I was at work and it was an unknown caller. Normally those scam calls come through as either a scam notation on it or a no caller ID, but this said unknown caller. And I was at work so I couldn’t pick up the call. Was that a call from a future focus or something else?
ELIAS: No. That was a scam call.
PAUL: Ah! Okay. Okay. Yeah, I sure get a lot of those. (Laughs) Hey! I’m assuming this also falls in the category – and Elias, I’m not doing a flash cut to no processed food. I’m trying to cut down where I can. Things like hamburgers are officially processed food, aren’t they?
ELIAS: Yes.
PAUL: Okay. So it’s not like it’s—
ELIAS: Also, as I’ve expressed, you can purchase a grinder and grind the meat yourself.
PAUL: Yeah. I’m actually going to start doing some of that I think. So… Because I like hamburgers. I can’t see myself doing away with hamburgers necessarily, so… Okay.
ELIAS: Very well. And you can then process them yourself.
PAUL: (Laughs) Elias, we’re out of time. As always, I really love and appreciate our interactions and I look forward to continuing those.
ELIAS: As do I, my dear friend. (Laughs)
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