Subjective and Objective Harmony
Topics:
“Subjective and Objective Harmony”
“A New Chapter Begins”
Sunday, March 23, 2025 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael), Daniel (Zynn)
“I will be speaking about this more.”
[Excerpt begins partway through session]
ELIAS: Visualizations, your inner landscape, anything that would be an expression of the subjective and then how that relates to the objective, and how these things move in harmony with each other. In that, you look at these planets and you see certain expressions. And in that, seeing those expressions, then it’s a matter of being able to see what is the INNER expression of that, what creates that harmony of the inner and the outer. Do you understand? (See Note 1)
DANIEL: Yes. And then you say harmony doesn’t mean that everything is smooth. It means that everything is reflective of each other.
ELIAS: Yes.
DANIEL: The outer and the inner. Yeah.
ELIAS: Yes. Definitely.
DANIEL: Okay.
ELIAS: Therefore when you look at the planets, then you look at those expressions of what is obvious because that’s the objective. And then it’s a matter of discovering what is the inner expression, which would be the subjective.
DANIEL: Okay. So on some level what you said relates to everyone, whether they do astrology or not, or it relates to my life, for example, whether I’m thinking of astrology or not. I can start observing inner and outer in harmony. But specifically for astrology, you are referring perhaps to what made me so interested in astrology and kind of ready for your material, is that the same chart or the same forecast chart can be applicable to both inner and outer. Right? So if Mars is very, very affected and affected in a very tense manner, then one can go in the direction of saying, “Oh, perhaps you may have some accidents or some conflicts or some inflammation in your body or this or that.” But one can also say, “Oh, but that same energy may, you may notice that as you may be more rushed or more angry or more frustrated or more ready to act, more competitive, etc. etc. And by watching and releasing and channeling that energy harmoniously internally or from inside out, you may avoid some of those more difficult potentials like accidents or inflammations or severe conflicts and so on.” Is that kind of the idea?
ELIAS: Yes. I would say there is more to it, but that’s a beginning. Yes. But that’s the point, is that this is the next step in relation to being more self-aware. AND what I would say in response to what you have expressed is yes, this is applicable to everyone. But I would (chuckles) also say that astrology is applicable to everyone.
DANIEL: Yes. (Laughs) Yes.
ELIAS: For in that, that’s the reason that you all have created this study of astrology, because you have expressed that as being applicable to everyone in the most minute of details, down to the detail of a fraction of a minute of being born and where.
DANIEL: Yeah.
ELIAS: Therefore I would say that in relation to astrology and in relation to what is important in each individual’s astrological chart, it would be definitely something that is personal and unique to them, but also is something that is applicable to many people.
DANIEL: Okay. So you said it’s timely that I asked because probably now is the time when people, more and more people realize this more and more, that harmony between subjective and objective, right? Or, and/or—
ELIAS: Actually no. People aren’t (chuckles) noticing yet.
DANIEL: Okay.
ELIAS: But, but I will be speaking about this more.
DANIEL: Ah! Okay. But going back to my chart or perhaps that aspect of sun conjunct Jupiter and parallel Jupiter, and conjunct it closely, so in both. Parallel, you said it’s like a fusion and creating that mutual quality, and the conjunction is probably similar, like being joined at the hip and complementing each other or whatever, and accepting one’s own talent and quality in both or something like that. So how, how do I see it in my life? In that I have been interested in those matters throughout my life, in that I am a quote-unquote “a philosopher” or a mystic or that I sometimes neglect outer—
ELIAS: Or a poet.
DANIEL: Or a poet. Okay.
ELIAS: Yes. You see the objective expression first and then you look to the inner. What does that mean inwardly in you?
DANIEL: Okay. So that’s the meaning portion of Jupiter, the meaning, what does it mean. Okay?
ELIAS: Yes.
DANIEL: Because I’m trying to also separate, there are other planets that talk a lot about inner, right? The first thing comes to mind is moon, right? We talked about moon being magnetic, the inner life, the silence in which sounds happen. So now suddenly Jupiter is also related to that. But where is the boundary between the two then?
ELIAS: It’s not about a boundary.
DANIEL: Mm-hm.
ELIAS: What I would say is, even with something such as the moon and expressing the identification of something inner, it’s still something that, at this point, all of you are looking at as objective. Because you’re aware of it, and everything that you perceive about subjective, you perceive as being something you’re not aware of.
DANIEL: Mm.
ELIAS: Therefore you’re going to be learning about.
DANIEL: Mm. Interesting. Fascinating. So… Aha! So there is a reason why Jupiter is farther out and also is the largest planet that can contain all other planets actually, except for the sun. Okay. Fascinating. (Both laugh)
ELIAS: That doesn’t surprise me. (Both laugh)
DANIEL: Okay. So then… So then if we take Saturn, which is also important in my life because it rules Capricorn, my ascendant, my rising sign, and it’s maybe one of the few if not the only planet below the horizon in my chart, in my second house so it relates to my values and my perception and so on, but Saturn we talked about. I think you said all-inclusive. We talked about structure, discipline, sometimes tunnel vision as the pitfall. And then when I asked you what question, you said “emboldenment.” Emboldenment. So… Or emboldening. (Pause) So someone with sun conjunct Saturn for example, it would be where a central theme will have a lot to do with a kind of discipline and a kind of emboldenment in the face of obstacles and things like that, right? Structuring themselves, discipline, being somewhat stoic, figuring out how far they can take it and so on?
[The timer for the end of the session rings]
ELIAS: Yes.
DANIEL: And you didn’t sound very happy with my… (Both laugh)
ELIAS: I’m waiting to observe where you go with that.
DANIEL: Okay. So yeah, I can go in many directions, one is for me. Like for me, it’s part of my perception and part of the second house, which remains mysterious to me but is part of, magnetic part of the perception, the qualities that go into that, my confidence or lack thereof, my deservingness or lack thereof. And therefore emboldenment is where I need to be to face the physical reality, to face my abilities that are asking to be expressed but maybe I am too shy or scared to express them, etc. That is a gift that is waiting for me to push through. Not push but to be bold enough to express myself. Right?
ELIAS: Yes.
DANIEL: Okay. And another direction where I was going with that was if Jupiter is suddenly showing a totally different of side of it that is like beneath the surface, quote-unquote “subconscious,” then Saturn being even further out and being next to it and associated with it, probably is also something we don’t quite realize yet.
ELIAS: Correct.
DANIEL: And what would that be? (Both laugh)
ELIAS: That will be coming. (Both laugh)
DANIEL: Oh my god, there is so much that is coming, huh?
ELIAS: Ah, yes. But that is occurring because you are all moving in a direction in which you ARE becoming more self-aware.
DANIEL: Okay.
ELIAS: Therefore I would say to you, my friend, I would encourage you to ponder this situation and this subject, and to see what you actually present to yourself in relation to it. Remembering that, as always, the direction of astrology mirrors all of you and in that, therefore what are you mirroring now in relation to your expression of inner and outer, and objective and subjective?
DANIEL: Was that a question?
ELIAS: It’s a challenge.
DANIEL: Oh, it’s a challenge. Yes. Yes. Yes.
ELIAS: And in that, I would say you could begin with yourself AND with your partner. What do you observe?
DANIEL: Okay. I accept the challenge. (Laughs)
ELIAS: Ah! Excellent. (Both laugh) I had no doubt. (Both laugh) And I shall greatly be looking forward to what you express.
DANIEL: Yes. Thank you, Elias. This has been a wonderful, wonderful teaser.
ELIAS: You are tremendously welcome, my dear friend, and I express tremendous encouragement to you also. Another chapter begins.
DANIEL: Yes. (Both laugh)
ELIAS: In tremendous love to you and in sublime friendship as always, au revoir.
DANIEL: Au revoir.
[Elias departs after 19 minutes]
Note 1: (from Daniel) Harmony between Inner and Outer, stalking the subjective, astrology-R-us, new frontiers.
Unfortunately recording starts a bit late (session was interrupted due to a comedy of errors and assumptions resulting in musician friends coming over during the session for rehearsal and later heard on the background ).
This snippet is at the end of the session. It started with me asking to explore the “inward” direction of Jupiter which stands for “opulence” and is normally seen as a jolly generous Santa, a rich philanthropist, a teacher, an explorer, an “amplifier”, larger than life.
What also didn’t record is the early part of Elias’ answer. Elias starts by remarking this question is very timely and hinting he may be addressing it soon, then proceeding to talk about subjective and objective, how we can see the harmony between them, how we can observe one reflected in the other.”
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