Stepping into a Different Reality: Part 8
Topics:
“Definition of Value Fulfillment and Desire”
“Dream Interpretation”
“Cooperation of the Body”
“How to Stop Projecting This Reality”
Saturday, March 22, 2025 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Nuno (Lystell)
ELIAS: Good morning!
NUNO: Hello my friend.
ELIAS: And what have you been accomplishing?
NUNO: I was going to ask you the same thing.
ELIAS: (Laughs) I’m always accomplishing.
NUNO: No, I meant (laughs) what have I? (Elias laughs) I know (laughs) you are.
ELIAS: (Laughs) What are YOU accomplishing? I’d say you are definitely accomplishing more acceptance, and THAT is significant.
NUNO: That’s good. Does that help?
ELIAS: Yes. And I would agree that it IS good.
NUNO: And what about progress in terms of going to a different reality?
ELIAS: I’d say that the expression of acceptance is definitely helping in that direction.
NUNO: So beyond that, there’s not much new?
ELIAS: I’d say that with that acceptance it has actually generated an additional preparation in relation to an entrance to be smooth, but also I’d say (pause) comfortable.
NUNO: Well that’s good. I’m a big—
ELIAS: I agree.
NUNO: — proponent of comfort. I wanted to actually ask you about value fulfillment. I got the idea to ask you about this because of that session you did with the person having to do with the suicide of his niece. And you described it as when the person has achieved value fulfillment, that that’s when they disengage. But I’d like to just begin by you giving me a definition of value fulfillment.
ELIAS: Very well. The definition of value fulfillment is entering into a physical expression and fulfilling what your goal is in relation to that.
Now, the tricky part is that that can change because the individual can change their goal. Meaning that they can move in a direction of altering their pool of probabilities and that would alter their goal, so to speak, for that particular focus. Or they could engage altering probabilities and that would alter their value fulfillment or their goal.
Therefore it depends on the direction that the individual is engaging and what the goal of that focus is or what it has become. Therefore age has little to do with an individual’s value fulfillment, that an individual could be completing their value fulfillment before they’re even physically born or they could be completing value fulfillment as a small child or even as an infant. But the basic expression of value fulfillment is the completion of the goal of that particular focus.
NUNO: Okay. But isn’t that the desire?
ELIAS: No. That’s what directs you. That’s different. That has to do with the movement, the action. That is what your desire does. It guides your action.
NUNO: It guides your action in a particular direction that… Like for example with my desire, it guides me in the direction to achieve that in some manner, but it’s… it’s fairly specific in that. Anyway, the reason I’m asking about this is in relation to disengaging the focus. It sounds to me that once that value fulfillment is achieved, and the way you’re speaking about it there is a particular lifetime goal for an individual, this isn’t something that is continuously changing or moving, the way you’re describing it.
ELIAS: Correct. It’s (inaudible)
NUNO: So what is mine then, if not the desire?
ELIAS: And what would your assessment be? Looking at your life and looking at the trajectory of your life, what would you say?
NUNO: I’d say it’s to probably become more aware.
ELIAS: Mm. Yes and no. That wouldn’t necessarily be your value fulfillment.
NUNO: Okay. If not that, then something in that general direction, in that kind of thing. I don’t think it’s anything very physically specific.
ELIAS: Agreed. I would say that for you, it’s (pause) gathering information that does move you in a direction of being more self-aware, but not only being more self-aware, being aware in a capacity that allows you to shape your reality in the manner that you want, intentionally. Which is more individually specific to you.
NUNO: Okay. But that doesn’t actually have a definitive completion to it. I mean, that could go on forever, or close to it.
ELIAS: Mm. I would say yes and no, but more so no because you would then choose what is enough.
NUNO: Okay. Well, I’m choosing that right now is enough.
ELIAS: (Chuckles) Very well. And I would say that that still leaves you with the dilemma of the body.
NUNO: Well it does. Yes. Well this is really what it comes down to, and I thought the body was paying attention to what’s happening with value fulfillment but maybe… Maybe that should have been my question instead, is that the body has got its own agenda.
ELIAS: No. The body does not have its own agenda because the body doesn’t think and the body doesn’t direct itself.
NUNO: Well it’s not following the direction that’s being given right now.
ELIAS: How so?
NUNO: It’s in opposition.
ELIAS: How?
NUNO: Well, you said so yourself. You said the subjective awareness is giving instructions to it that it’s resisting.
ELIAS: Mm. Only in the capacity that that is an innate expression of the body, in the same manner as the functions of your organs, that the body moves innately in the direction of self-preservation.
NUNO: That’s really what I’m interested in. Everything else is not important to me right now. The most important thing, the only thing that’s important to me presently is moving to Nova. That’s it. Everything else is not important to that, unless it relates to that in some way.
ELIAS: Understood.
NUNO: Okay. So that’s why I’m asking the question about value fulfillment, because I thought maybe there was a connection there but it sounds like there isn’t much. I’ve got another question here in something else, concerning those letters you had me prepare.
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: I’ve been thinking about that. I’m not sure if… If those don’t get delivered, it would make things a lot less traumatic. Otherwise the letters make it obvious that this was intentional.
ELIAS: And?
NUNO: Well, that causes trauma and questions and all kinds of things that would not exist if those letters didn’t exist.
ELIAS: But then the individuals have more questions and then they fill in the answers to their, those questions, themselves.
NUNO: But it’s just a very common occurrence.
ELIAS: Yes. And I would say that in many situations, that creates more trauma because generally speaking, without any other information individuals, some individuals, have a tendency to fill in the answers to those questions by turning it on themselves and then blaming themselves, or asking themselves questions that they can’t answer such as: “What could I have done different that would have changed that outcome?”
NUNO: All right. I mean, I’ll defer to your wisdom on this and that’s fine. I mean, it doesn’t really matter to me a whole lot either way, but I thought I’d mention that.
ELIAS: Very well.
NUNO: If you feel it’s better this way, then that’s fine. It’s not an issue.
ELIAS: Very well.
NUNO: Let’s talk about siblings. I took into careful consideration what you said about having more siblings and at first I wasn’t too crazy about the idea. But I did then see the advantages of that and I do understand why you suggested it, and I definitely see advantages to me in creating those experiences which are lacking in this lifetime. So I have inserted another three siblings, so a total of four siblings altogether and—
ELIAS: Ah!
NUNO: I’m kind of leaving it up to the parents if they want to have more. I mean they’re both Borledim, they probably breed like rabbits. (Both laugh)
ELIAS: Interesting expression. (Laughs) Not to mention that there are (laughs) many Borledim individuals that (laughs) don’t have any children.
NUNO: Okay. Well maybe I got that all wrong, but my impression was that they really like that. (Elias laughs) Anyway, that aside—
ELIAS: (Laughs) Yes.
NUNO: I’m just leaving that open, if they want to have additional children, but I did insert an additional three. And so two of them older than me, two of them younger than me. So it’s kind of symmetrical, two boys, two girls. You know I have this thing for symmetry, so…
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: (Laughs) That’s me. I like symmetry. So that’s what I’ve inserted into it and I did connect with the essences of these siblings. You of course provided me the essence name for Susan, which I already inserted. And I tried my best to get the essence names for the others. The eldest sibling is Anthony, that’s the focus name. And my impression on the essence name is either Philippe or Philip for Anthony.
ELIAS: (Pause) The latter.
NUNO: Philip?
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: And then we move on to my younger brother William, focus name William. This one the essence name, I’m really uncertain about this one. It’s either… What I got is either Carter or Cotter.
ELIAS: (Pause) Carter.
NUNO: Okay. I was right the first time, which is usually how it goes. And then finally my younger sister Sandra, focus name Sandra, for her I got the essence name Petula.
ELIAS: Correct.
NUNO: Okay. That’s good. Anyways, I had conversations with all of them. It was all very interesting. I really wasn’t sure what you had in mind for me to be discussing with them, so it wasn’t all that involved. It mostly involved past life experiences together with them, and that was it. They seem like a nice bunch of people.
ELIAS: Excellent. I would say simply introducing yourself and engaging in whatever subject you chose was enough.
NUNO: Good. Good. In one of our recent sessions – I can’t remember which one – you expressed that this was an experiment. What did you mean by that?
ELIAS: That how you are choosing to engage this action IS an experiment, that it’s different from actions that you have engaged previously. And I would say that in being an experiment it gives you information for the future, and a type of blueprint for the action should you choose to implement it again.
NUNO: And you said it was different. Different meaning different from last time?
ELIAS: Different from any time.
NUNO: From any time. But this is my third focus hop I think?
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: So it’s, they’re different from the other ones in some way?
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: Okay, different how?
ELIAS: All of it is different. How you are choosing to engage the jump, how you are engaging all of the other players and how you are choosing to disengage this end.
NUNO: That’s quite interesting. I have given a lot of thought to this and I have—
ELIAS: Yes, you have.
NUNO: I have given this great importance.
ELIAS: Much more so than you have in the past.
NUNO: Yeah. That’s easy to see for sure. Okay. Is my focus color blue?
ELIAS: Repeat.
NUNO: Is my focus color blue?
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: This kind of ties into a dream, that’s why I’m asking. So I’d like to ask about a dream. I think I’ve figured it out, but there are some parts to it that are unclear. Once again, I’m at the airport and this time the airport, it’s not in a city as you would expect it usually to be. It’s kind of out in the middle of nowhere really. There’s just a lot of vegetation around, trees and shrubs, and there’s no other buildings around at all. The runway is not a paved runway, it’s just made of dirt. And I get on the airplane and it’s really old and a worn airplane, very old. But it’s got blue seats on it, so I think that might be a reference to the focus. And I’m really happy. I got there nice and early, and I get a seat right up front next to the pilot. And I ask the pilot, “Is it okay I sit here?” and the pilot says, “Yeah, you can sit there.” And I’m not sure if I got this impression during the dream or afterwards, but the impression is that the pilot is actually… is representing the subjective awareness.
And what happens next is what happened last time, is I suddenly remember that I forgot my briefcase this time. Before it was my wallet. This time I forgot my briefcase. So I jump off the plane and I go running through the airport looking for my briefcase and of course I don’t find it. At one point I look at my watch to see how much time I have, and I notice that the watch, it isn’t my watch. And what I say: “Oh, this watch belongs to the pilot. Somehow I got the pilot’s watch.” And at the end of the dream, I look at the watch and I say, “Oh, there’s only a couple of minutes left. There’s no way I’m going to make this flight.” And that was the end of the dream, and I wake up.
And so I think this was one of these dreams that was specifically intended for me to be aware of objectively. So my impression, the briefcase in this case symbolizes nothing terribly specific but just generally attachments to this reality. Is that correct?
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: The thing that I’m confused about, one of the things I’m confused about, is why is everything so old and rundown? Like the airport is old and rundown, the airplane is old and rundown.
ELIAS: Now, think about that.
NUNO: Well, I did and the only thing I came up was that it’s a reference to this focus. It’s kind of old and rundown.
ELIAS: Correct.
NUNO: So (laughs) that’s kind of obvious. (Laughs) Okay. (Elias chuckles) And why was the airport in the middle of nowhere instead of in the city or something?
ELIAS: For the same reason. That it’s symbolic of everything about that, which is everything about the reality, is removed. It’s removed from you. It’s not being maintained any longer. It’s symbolic of its not being important.
NUNO: Okay. Well, that’s all good.
ELIAS: I would agree with that, in relation to what is important to you.
NUNO: The thing with the watch, the pilot’s watch. My impression is that means that I am the pilot.
ELIAS: That you become the pilot.
NUNO: Do you want to clarify that?
ELIAS: That you don’t begin by being the pilot, but that you become the pilot and therefore that’s the imagery that you are presenting to yourself with that change of the watch. Just as when you look down at the watch, you’re not expecting it to be the pilot’s watch. You’re expecting it to be yours.
NUNO: So I become the pilot in the new reality, you mean?
ELIAS: That moment.
NUNO: That moment. I don’t know what that means.
ELIAS: That means that you’re beginning. The symbology is that you’re beginning in the direction of yourself and in that, as you continue to move, you’ve already given yourself all of this imagery of the airport, of the different expressions that it is not maintained, this is not something important to you, and then you give yourself the symbolic imagery of a turn in which you become the pilot and therefore now you’re directing in relation to the destination.
NUNO: And when does that occur? Or is that already occurring?
ELIAS: No. That hasn’t already occurred, obviously. And I would say that what the symbology of that is that that was a turn, and that you’re moving in the direction of the destination intentionally now.
NUNO: I kind of have an impression that my separation has reduced slightly. Is that correct?
ELIAS: (Pause) Definitely yes.
NUNO: I wanted to insert – well, I actually have or I’ve attempted to – insert into Nova recreating extinct species. So I’d like to ask you, is that realistic that species of animals and plants that have become extinct, that they can be remanifested?
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: So I put that into Nova because I really like that. What happens if I try to insert something into that reality that is unrealistic?
ELIAS: Such as?
NUNO: Well, I don’t have an example but… Well, I don’t know. There’s like a couple of things I put in there that are kind of maybe a little iffy. I think they’re doable. One of them is their use of fusion power. It’s a primary energy source in Nova that I’ve put in there, is fusion. And I imagine their technology has achieved that.
ELIAS: Correct. I would say if you attempted to insert something into that reality that is unrealistic for its time or for that reality, that what will likely happen is that it won’t manifest but it will be something that you will entertain and then perhaps invent.
NUNO: That’s interesting. So I don’t have to be concerned about that too much.
ELIAS: No.
NUNO: Sometimes when I’m meditating, having to do with… Well, the only kind of meditations I do these days have got to do with me getting out of here. And occasionally I have visions of black rectangles. Sometimes they’re white and sometimes they’re not rectangles, they’re circular, but usually it’s a black rectangle and it’s a vision that just appears very briefly. My impression is that’s kind of like an opening, an exit door maybe?
ELIAS: Yes. It’s not something that is in your reality, your personal reality and your understanding fully formed yet, but it is the potential of something that you are creating.
NUNO: What am I creating? I just want to get out of here.
ELIAS: (Laughs) It doesn’t necessarily have to do with staying where you are. It’s a potential. Therefore it could be an idea. It could be a movement, moving deeper into a meditation. It could be any number of things, but what it symbolizes is that it’s something that hasn’t been fully formed yet.
NUNO: I would imagine it’s got something to do with my present direction. Or not?
ELIAS: For the most part, yes.
NUNO: Is there any way I can influence the body consciousness? I understand – well, first let me begin with this. Is the subjective awareness still doing what you said it was doing? Is it still attempting to convince it to release?
ELIAS: Mm, the wording is somewhat off but yes.
NUNO: Basically the subjective awareness is still being supportive, correct?
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: What can I do objectively to help with that, other than what I’m doing already? I mean, is there…? Can I communicate with the body consciousness in a way that will help persuade it?
ELIAS: That would be part of the meditations, and that’s likely why you’re giving yourself that imagery of the black rectangles, because you’re actually moving in those directions of objectively influencing. That’s what I’m expressing to you in relation to having (pause) the direction of creating new expressions that are not fully formed yet, which for the most part I would say are ideas in directions of influences.
NUNO: I had another idea, which was why can’t I just stop projecting this reality? Or stop projecting at least the body consciousness?
ELIAS: You could.
NUNO: Okay. How do I do that?
ELIAS: (Pause) I would say that the most efficient manner would be (pause) making this body irrelevant.
NUNO: You mean the body consciousness?
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: I have been doing that, and—
ELIAS: Aha! There is your rectangles.
NUNO: Yeah, but things are starting to get a little uncomfortable. I stopped exercising. I’ve stopped caring about what I eat. I just… just let it all go. And then I thought you know, this isn’t good. I don’t want to be uncomfortable. Because my blood pressure is going up like crazy because I wasn’t exercising and stuff like that.
ELIAS: I wouldn’t, I wouldn’t encourage you to move in a direction in which you are making yourself uncomfortable. That’s not making the body or this direction irrelevant, because being irrelevant would be more neutral.
NUNO: Being irrelevant is more neutral?
ELIAS: Yes. Yes.
NUNO: So I should continue exercising?
ELIAS: I would express an encouragement in that direction, yes.
NUNO: Well, that’s what I thought. I mean I started exercising again and you gave me all kinds of blue dots so I thought oh, this must be a good thing to do. So okay. (Elias laughs) Okay. Yeah. I figured that one out. And in terms of diet, mm, I being a little more flexible, meaning I’m eating more junk now and then, but not so much. I…
ELIAS: I would say it’s a matter of paying attention to being comfortable at the same time as being neutral.
NUNO: Okay. I understand that. Using Seth’s method, which we talked about that before – you know what I mean, focusing on the energy and all that. (See Note 1) The question I have in that is it still requires releasing the body consciousness so even if I was going to diligently pursue that method, I would still have the same obstacle, would I not?
ELIAS: That depends. It depends on how you are engaging, how you’re engaging the method. I’d say that (pause) when you engage the body differently, then the outcome is going to be different in a manner of speaking. And Seth, I would say, the methods that were put forth by that essence in relation to many directions, many expressions, are configured differently, and therefore may actually generate different outcomes.
NUNO: I’m not asking about what he expressed in the past. I’m asking about what he expressed to me recently.
ELIAS: I know.
NUNO: Okay. I just want to make sure we’re on the same page on this.
ELIAS: Yes. Yes. Therefore how you implement is perhaps going to determine a different outcome.
NUNO: Mm, this sounds kind of murky, because that’s kind of like not really a yes/no answer.
ELIAS: Mm, no. It’s actually – I will be more definitive and express that implementing Seth’s instructions likely will change how the outcome is expressed. Therefore moving in that direction could change how the body is expressed in relation to shutting down.
NUNO: I have experimented with that, but I haven’t been very consistent with that at all because I find it’s kind of a challenging exercise. But if I had information that said that this is an avenue that I can go down that would expedite or would be more expedient than what I’m doing now, then I definitely would be very interested in that.
ELIAS: I would say likely so.
NUNO: The challenge I find in it is maintaining that concentration for – how long do I have to maintain the concentration for? Does it have to be like continuously over a period of time, or if there are lapses in that, does that mean I have to start from the beginning? How does this work?
ELIAS: Mm, no. You may have lapses in that and you don’t have to start from the beginning. I would say that you don’t have to move in a continuous direction or time, but I would say that the more time you express in that direction, the more effective it is.
NUNO: And I can continue with what I’m doing now? That doesn’t interfere with it? I can actually do both, correct?
ELIAS: That would be correct. Yes.
NUNO: So if I understand you correctly, I can do this exercise that Seth suggested and in a sense it’s cumulative. In other words, I can do let’s say fifteen minutes now and twenty minutes later and then another day do another five minutes and it all adds up and helps me move in that direction.
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: I can definitely do that. But I thought I had to like sit there for fifteen minutes and do nothing else, and if my attention strayed I would have to start over again, that’s not going to work.
ELIAS: No.
NUNO: Good. Good. Good. All right. That’s excellent. Vicky, how did she do this? I understand that she kind of disengaged rather quickly and swiftly. Did she have a secret method on how to do this?
ELIAS: Actually it was not tremendously quick, but relatively speaking, in relation to what you are expressing, yes, it would be something that would be viewed as quick. And what she chose was an illness.
NUNO: Oh, it was an actual illness?
ELIAS: Yes. She chose to be engaging pneumonia and chose not to incorporate the assistance of a physician or medication.
NUNO: I’m not interested.
ELIAS: (Chuckles) I didn’t think so. (Chuckles)
NUNO: All right. I thought it was something to do with her energy, but all right. That’s fine. Clarified that. Do you have a question for me?
ELIAS: A question for you?
NUNO: Yeah.
ELIAS: (Chuckles) I would say (pause) how much presence and enjoyment are you expressing in relation to your cat? And do you plan on taking her with you?
NUNO: Mm. That’s an interesting question. I’m interacting with her fairly frequently. I really like the cat. She’s a wonderful cat, and I really love her. I would consider taking her with me. Yes, I definitely would consider taking her with me.
ELIAS: Very well.
NUNO: I didn’t think that was such an important part though, that you would ask about it.
ELIAS: It’s not. It’s not. It’s simply a curiosity. A piece of your reality that you appreciate and that you love, and therefore simply a curiosity as to whether you intended to bring her with you.
NUNO: I can do that. Yeah, I can definitely do that.
ELIAS: Yes, you can. (Both chuckle)
NUNO: All right. (Elias laughs) Okay. And that’s all you’ve got to ask me? That’s… Okay.
ELIAS: (Laughs) I would say that that is what I have for now.
NUNO: Well, all I have to say is this is a very long process and…
ELIAS: It can be. But I would also say that you are embarking on a direction that not very many individuals ever attempt.
[The timer for the end of the session rings]
NUNO: Oh well, I’m kind of always an outlier.
ELIAS: (Laughs) And I would agree. (Both chuckle) And I would say to you, my friend, that you are uniquely different.
NUNO: Yeah, I think I figured that one out.
Oh, by the way, do you have anything you want to mention to Michael to help him?
ELIAS: I would say maintain and don’t be discouraged.
NUNO: Maintain a what?
ELIAS: Maintain and don’t be discouraged.
NUNO: Okay. All right. Very well.
ELIAS: Very well.
NUNO: Thank you so much.
ELIAS: You are very welcome, my dear friend. I express tremendous love and affection to you and very dear friendship, as always. Au revoir.
NUNO: Au revoir.
(Elias departs after 53 minutes)
Note 1: (Session 202412291) NUNO: Seth …suggested I focus my, the entirety of my attention on the energy of that reality.
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