Medical Science’s Push for Preemptive Procedures
Topics:
“Medical Science’s Push for Preemptive Procedures”
“Time Travel Projection”
“Dream Imagery”
“Interacting with Focuses”
“Trump’s Intentions and Musk’s Salute”
Wednesday, February 5, 2025 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Paul (Paneus)
ELIAS: Good morning!
PAUL: Hey! Good morning, Elias.
ELIAS: (Chuckles) And how shall we being and what shall we discuss this day?
PAUL: Oh, a bunch of topics. We might deep dive on a few; it might be a quick breeze on some. I told Mary or Michael just a bit ago that I went into the dentist for my regular teeth cleaning, and they did my teeth cleaning. They’re: “Ah, your teeth are all clean. Great job! By the way, we want to talk to you about your wisdom teeth.” And I go, “What about my wisdom teeth?” “Well, you know your previous dentist from nearly three years ago took these x-rays and you’ve got a fluid cyst above one of your wisdom teeth,” because I have all four of mine still, “and that could pose a problem. And we recommend x-rays today and then scheduling potential surgery with an oral surgeon after we review the x-rays.”
And so to me, they might be just drumming up business as an overly, as a precaution, versus a real need. Because I’ve had my wisdom teeth (chuckles) for over forty years and they haven’t caused me any trouble in more than forty years. So my question at hand is: are my wisdom teeth causing any type of problems presently? Or do you think that they could become problematic? I know it’s a predictive question so maybe I should rephrase it, but what’s your thoughts on that?
ELIAS: I’d say that no. There’s always that element that anything is possible and therefore in some time from now, you could change directions and you could create something that would be wrong with them, but you haven’t in all of this time. Therefore it is highly unlikely that you would now. And therefore I would say no, I wouldn’t be concerned with it.
PAUL: That’s great news, but why were they…? Why did that assistant dentist…? She was kind of really pressing the matter, and she’s blinking at me—
ELIAS: That’s an easy question to answer. And it’s not actually that they’re attempting to drum up business. That’s not their motivation. What they’re doing is – and physicians are doing this also – they are being taught so strongly to be looking for potential problems, and to be pushing the situation to address to those potential problems even if they’re not a likely potential problem. And because of that, many, many, many of your physicians and dentists now are moving in that mindset and they are being somewhat pushy about having potential problems addressed to, before they become a problem.
PAUL: Oh. Okay. So I’m… (Chuckles) I’m not going to take any action then, and I’ll just say that hey, upon… Well, anyway, upon further consideration and talking to another (pause) you know—
ELIAS: Source.
PAUL: Yeah, another source. Thank you. (Both laugh) Another source, I decided to hold off on doing anything further on this. That’s what I wanted to hear. (Laughs)
[Personal section omitted]
PAUL: So I was doing… Let’s talk a little bit about this time travel projection. I was doing a meditation/deep relaxation and I was focusing on Alexander the Great outside the city of Thebes in Greece, and he was sieging it. And I remember distinctly looking at the walls and how tall they were. And first of all, was that an accurate…? Because the walls were like twenty feet tall, twenty or forty feet tall. They were huge walls. Was that an accurate view, if you will?
ELIAS: Yes.
PAUL: When I do this deep relaxation/meditation, it’s seems when I just totally drift I don’t have the memory recall. But then if I do an intention and then kind of keep my mind active toward that intention, I get a view of something or at least an impression of a view of something. Is that…? I guess, from a process standpoint for time travel recall, is that kind of the…? Like I did for the Theban wall one and some others. Is that kind of a better approach to use, versus to just let yourself totally drift off and almost like wake up after twenty minutes and not have any recall?
ELIAS: Yes.
PAUL: Okay. So do the intention, but then kind of keep my mind focused on that intention and then just go through the deep relaxation then. Okay. So I’m still on that path to within a year, year and a half, to be able to move to a physical time travel projection?
ELIAS: Yes.
PAUL: And when we get closer to that time, you’re going to tip me off about other precautions or considerations, before I go physical?
ELIAS: Yes.
PAUL: (Laughs) Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
I had a dream – let’s see, where was it at here? Let me go back to my notes here. I had a dream the other night of getting some type of – this is going back to early January – some type of map puzzle. And I was just looking it over and another person tossed me a completed form. We were like in a class almost. And then I figured well, I can use their information or data, but for some reason I was running out of time and also wanted to at least check the validity of the answer myself. And they were like fairly basic information of some type of fractions, fractions over fractions. And I was thinking about that. I’m sure it has to do with some type of association with science, but I was trying to figure out the imagery of the fractions over fractions. Was that just a basic thing of hey, I’m…. I’ve got this interest in the role of science and that’s all the imagery is? Or is there something more specific associated with that imagery?
ELIAS: And what was your assessment?
PAUL: (Pause) Thinking about it now—
ELIAS: Yes.
PAUL: That fractions over fractions mean that there’s very tiny elements to the process or equation, sort of like LCUs, if you will.
ELIAS: Correct.
PAUL: Yeah. So was that just a recognition that everything’s composed of LCUs and they can be manipulated to achieve different things?
ELIAS: Yes. And there’s more too than what meets the eye.
PAUL: Well, yeah! (Laughs) You’re talking about for the common person, not the people that follow Elias and Seth, right?
ELIAS: Correct.
PAUL: Yeah. Yeah. I had another dream a few weeks back, in January. There were actually two scenes and they’re somewhat related. It’s dealing with sparrow hawk. The first one, I was putting out leaves and some other food for the sparrow hawk that would swoop down and pick it up, and there were a couple of failed attempts until it successfully got the food. And the other scene was where I was… I found a charge on my credit card bill for a sparrow hawk expense. So (both laugh) I’m like, oh, what is this imagery about? And I… I don’t know. I don’t know if it’s… Because there’s a company called Sparrow Hawk. I don’t know if there’s maybe something that I might tie into the company or if this is just imagery of… The charge on my credit card, though, is throwing me off. I can’t figure out how that ties in, imagery-wise to the sparrow hawk. So do you have any insight on that?
ELIAS: Now; think about it. it’s an expense.
PAUL: Yeah.
ELIAS: And in relation to the bird, what would you say would be an expense?
PAUL: Well, literally – not figuratively – literally, an expense dealing with birds would be birdseed, which I put out birdseed on my bird feeder every day. But if it’s not—
ELIAS: Now; how could—
PAUL: If it’s figurative…
ELIAS: How could you translate that in a figurative manner? It’s also an investment. If you are engaging an expense for something, you are – it isn’t only that you’re being charged for something, you are agreeing to a payment. Therefore you are expressing an investment. What are you investing in the bird?
PAUL: Well, if you think figuratively, it’s something that would be a high-soaring investment.
ELIAS: That can definitely be. That’s a very good imagery for you. And I would say that you’re investing in something that is strong and that is predictable and that you have an affinity for. Therefore you can use that imagery in other manners. You can translate that imagery in other directions.
PAUL: So let me clarify that. So it’s not specific imagery of a company? I think there’s a Sparrow Hawk company. I think I saw one or two of them that are called that. It’s not like investing in that company, it’s more of a company that might have a very strong or predictable financial opportunity?
ELIAS: Yes.
PAUL: But I don’t know which one—
ELIAS: You can display this imagery into that.
PAUL: Yeah, but I don’t know what company would have that, at this stage of the game. A strong or predictable opportunity. I don’t know. Right now, I don’t have any company that jumps out at me and says, “Oh yeah, this is a great opportunity. Invest in this.”
ELIAS: It’s something that you presented to yourself to watch for.
PAUL: Oh! Okay. So the company may not be… I may not have come across it yet? Just pay attention and see if the opportunity presents itself?
ELIAS: Yes.
PAUL: Oh! Okay. Okay. So I’ll keep a, like the hawk has, a very sharp eye out then, right?
ELIAS: Yes. Yes. Yes. Good. Excellent, my friend.
PAUL: Okay. Well that’s going to be interesting. Last dream one, I’ll be quick about it. So there’s an alien crystal in this church that gave out this energy that I could access by putting my face into its energy field. But then there was this threat from this red squid-like alien that eventually got into the church and affected several people. And I was able to flee, flying out the window, before I was under its control. And there were several different flying scenes and eventually I had to reboot my energy level. And I decided to fly back into the church to reboot, if you will. But I remember getting to that crystal again and the alien was sort of like nearby, was looking to obviously confront me. And then I think I woke up or something like that. So is this general imagery over (sighs) – I don’t know how to phrase this – the use of crystals? Or is it something more, I don’t know, social or political since it’s in a church, you know. So maybe something to do with the religious community at large? So I was kind of puzzled about the imagery options.
ELIAS: I would say that it definitely has religious overtones. And in that, I would also say that it’s a matter of what you’re paying attention to and what direction you move with it. Therefore once again, it’s about what you do with this, what you do with the information that you are presenting to yourself.
PAUL: Oh. Well I don’t know. (Laughs)
ELIAS: Not yet. But it’s also a matter of evaluating what you’re presenting to yourself and then what you will do with it.
PAUL: Yeah. Kind of like that fluid noise in my car, which by the way I’ve been pondering as to how to discern why I created and uncreated. By the way, though, the last I think three days, maybe four, I haven’t heard it.
ELIAS: Ah! Congratulations.
PAUL: So I don’t know if it’s just the fact I’m driving in the colder weather or the fact that I’ve actually made a purposeful attempt to uncreate it. I hope the latter.
ELIAS: I concur.
PAUL: I’m sorry?
ELIAS: I’d say the latter.
PAUL: Well, that would be fantastic. I want to reinforce that then. (Chuckles) So…
ELIAS: Excellent.
PAUL: Yeah.
ELIAS: Congratulations.
PAUL: That was… Yeah. It felt good! Well that’s an easy one. I thought this would be a longer conversation than that. (Elias laughs) Deane or Lelande called me up the other day. We were chatting briefly and he was telling me about his waking-state conversations. Not meditations, waking-state conversations with Bah’Rand, who is an otherdimensional focus of his, I believe.
ELIAS: Yes.
PAUL: And so my question is: if I take my perspective, if I take what Deane is, example, and take it to my perspective, so that means I could have similar conversations with other focuses of mine?
ELIAS: Yes, you could.
PAUL: But… Well, that’s what puzzled me, Elias, is like wouldn’t that be potentially influencing their activities, their awareness, their knowledge? Like if, so, example: let’s say a future focus of mine. Let’s say I think there’s a couple trying to reach out to me via email. One actually called on the phone at one time but I deleted the voicemail. But wouldn’t that potentially… they let slip something that would be influencing my awareness of future opportunities? Couldn’t that be a… What do you call it? Inappropriately giving people information that they might find on their own, or something like that? That’s what I was wondering.
ELIAS: It depends. It depends on what is being discussed, and it depends on the awareness of each focus. Therefore if a future focus was engaging with you and they can assess what your awareness is, in relation to shifting, then they would know what type of information not to share.
PAUL: Oh. So then if I had a conversation with let’s say a past focus of mine, we’ll take Jefferson Davis, who you told me recently that confederate president was a focus of mine. So let’s say I had (chuckles) real-time conversations with him. I should not say, “Oh yeah, by the way, you should really spend some more investment in building your ocean-going ironclad,” or something like that, that would potentially affect his decision-making process in his current—
ELIAS: Correct.
PAUL: Yeah, but how do you know which time period you’re dealing with, with that person? If it’s like his, if he’s in college or something like that, or as a younger man versus—
ELIAS: It doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter. You know the official version of history.
PAUL: Yeah.
ELIAS: That doesn’t mean that it’s the actual history, but you know the official version of history. Therefore you have a guideline already in relation to that individual’s awareness and the direction that that individual moves in. Therefore it doesn’t matter whether the individual was two days from their death or they were a young man in college or if they were a soldier. It doesn’t matter. You have the basic information about history that you can use as a guideline in how you would be interacting with that individual. And what I would say to you is that it would be actually more beneficial for you to be asking them questions about their experiences and therefore receiving the actual history, rather than the officially-recorded history.
PAUL: Oh, so maybe doing more asking versus telling?
ELIAS: Correct.
PAUL: So let me ask you a question – and I can always talk to Deane about this – so how do I open myself up to those quite intriguing dialogues?
ELIAS: I’d say that that is simply a matter of continuing practicing your projections.
PAUL: Oh.
ELIAS: And in that, if you are projecting to that time framework and to a specific individual, there are several different actions that you can engage. You can superimpose yourself on an individual that is physically-focused at that time and have interaction with him, and therefore in that you can be using that individual to ask questions physically. Or you can observe the individual and in that, you don’t have to have questions because you’re watching what’s happening. Or you can interact directly with the individual through that projection, either by haunting impressions of the individual that would be a question, or through dreams, or through daydreams, or through situations in which the individual is thinking and evaluating and you can move into that position with them through your empathic sense and you can listen to what they are expressing. And you can prompt questions in that position also.
PAUL: But that would be through my same—
ELIAS: The individual will simply think that they are thinking about these questions.
PAUL: Okay, so it’s not a dialogue like Deane has. It would be more of a… Like I would be like a – what do you call it? – like you’re conscious.
ELIAS: You can actually engage a dialogue. He’s been doing this for quite some time.
PAUL: Yeah, he has. Yeah. Decades.
ELIAS: This is not new with him. And I would say you can definitely speak with him and ask questions of him, in relation to his method, and you can try that. I would say that if you move in that direction, remind him of what he was doing in the beginning.
PAUL: Ah! Okay. Yeah. But right now, for the—
ELIAS: He has been doing this for quite some time.
PAUL: Yeah. He’s pretty proud of it.
ELIAS: Ah!
PAUL: The superimpose, when you say via my projections to superimpose to do it as Q and A, the word superimpose means I basically just try to align my energy with theirs, in that given situation? And then I’m raising a question in their mind? They won’t know it’s me, but a question in their mind, and I’ll hear them think the answer? Is that what you mean?
ELIAS: If you are using your empathic sense, yes.
PAUL: Versus?
ELIAS: If you’re superimposing yourself on another individual, then what you’re doing is you’re prompting the other individual to ask questions. And once again, they will think that they are their own questions. They will think that they are their own impressions, that they are simply expressing in a question. But you’re not changing anything because you’re only asking questions about the individual’s experience.
PAUL: Understood. So I could get into that deep relaxation or meditation state, focus on a past focus of mine and ask him some questions about a given event or activity?
ELIAS: Yes. Yes.
PAUL: And I’ll hear their—
ELIAS: In that, you view the actual history rather than the officially-recorded history.
PAUL: You said that a couple times.
ELIAS: Which I would say generally speaking in relation to history at all, is very different.
PAUL: I tend to agree, so I guess I’ll have to think about what might be a variable piece of history with those focuses and ask about it. Okay. Well that sounds like a fun exercise. And is that also, does that activity support my time travel projections? I think it would be, right?
ELIAS: Yes. Yes.
PAUL: Okay. So it’s just like another exercise within that process?
ELIAS: Yes.
PAUL: Okay. I like that. A political one: so is Trump or his inner circle, or even the – what do you call it? – the man behind or the person behind the curtain, if you will, are they looking at moving our United States government into more of an oligarchy-type framework? Or even to… Well, you hear some people saying almost to the point of a more authoritarian structure or even a, I don’t want to say dictatorship, but much more driven by the authoritative leadership versus following our current laws. So what… What is Trump and his inner circle planning to do?
ELIAS: (Chuckles) That, my friend, is (chuckles) a puzzling question. Because there are many things that he thinks he wants to do that he can’t. And I would say that because of the type of constitution that you have in your country, it’s almost ironclad. And—
PAUL: Well, that’s a good thing because we don’t want another… We don’t want to have any type of oligarchy or dictatorship being imposed.
ELIAS: I would agree. I would definitely agree. And I would say that this is what your constitution was written for, to prevent that from happening.
PAUL: Yeah, that’s a good thing.
ELIAS: And in that, I would say that he’s flexing his muscles and his bluster.
PAUL: Yeah. Are they…? Is he trying, him and his crew, inner crew, trying to implement the Project 2025 protocol?
ELIAS: He’s trying to implement everything, and not necessarily being very successful. I would say that he has very grandiose ideas and he has people around him that are reinforcing him.
PAUL: Oh yeah, they’re a bit of sycophants at times, I imagine.
ELIAS: But they have equally grandiose ideas, and in that, moving in directions in which they (chuckles) can’t actually implement these grandiose ideas.
PAUL: So did…? (Laughs) This is a side note. I don’t say it’s comical, but there was a speech that Elon Musk gave a month ago. And he ended it, people were applauding, he put his hand on his chest and then stuck his hand out, open palm, like a Nazi salute. And it got a lot of press that he was doing a Nazi salute. Was he intentional about making that a Nazi salute, or was it totally as he said, not really intentional, he was just basically applauding at the crowd.
ELIAS: No. It was intentional.
PAUL: Well, there you go. So isn’t he trying to build an oligarchy framework in government?
ELIAS: It doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter. He can’t.
PAUL: Oh. (Laughs) That’s a good thing.
ELIAS: I agree. That’s what I have expressed, that the constitution that has been expressed in relation to your country is practically ironclad. And therefore, it would be almost impossible to move in directions contrary to it.
PAUL: Good! That is great to hear.
ELIAS: I would say that the individuals that you name as your founding fathers were intelligent individuals and were thinking about every avenue.
PAUL: Well, I think I have a focus of mine as one of them, if I remember correctly.
ELIAS: I would agree.
PAUL: I think it was Ben, was it Ben Franklin? Or was that somebody else? I’m not sure off the top of my head. (Pause) Elias?
ELIAS: And that is irrelevant, but I would say that it’s… It’s significant that those of you that have information are moving in a direction of not giving importance to the bluster.
PAUL: Oh. Yeah.
ELIAS: The more importance you give to that, the more you feed his direction of semi-chaos.
PAUL: Interesting. That reminds me of an old Star Trek episode whereby there is this people that, this alien that was feeding off of, I think it was hate or something like that. So it fostered some strife on the ship and then as people got more and more upset and antagonistic, it grew stronger. So then they finally realized what was going on, so they said, “Oh! Let’s purposefully drop our contentions and try to be super-friendly.” And eventually the alien goes, “Okay, I’m getting no energy out of this. I have to leave.” So that’d probably be a good analogy to use in this case.
ELIAS: I would agree.
PAUL: (Laughs) Hey, we’re coming up on the last thirteen minutes here, any more thoughts on why I’m getting winded easy? And I think you told me the fact that I might need to just expand my aerobic exercise without using my achilles too much.
ELIAS: Correct.
PAUL: And you mentioned rowing. I thought—
ELIAS: I explained that to you already.
PAUL: Yeah.
ELIAS: The factor that you don’t like the explanation doesn’t make it change.
PAUL: No. I guess my point is so you’re basically saying just do more aerobic exercise and it’ll make you less winded?
ELIAS: I would also say it’s a matter of doing not necessarily aerobic exercises but breathing exercises.
PAUL: (Sighs) Okay. Okay.
ELIAS: Moving in a direction of pulling more air into your lungs. And actually the action of pushing it out as much as you possibly can is more effective.
PAUL: Than aerobics?
ELIAS: Because the air becomes trapped in your lungs. Therefore the more you can push in an exhale out, the better.
PAUL: Oh! When I was mountaineering, that’s called compression breathing, whereby you take a deep breath, purse your lips like you’re blowing out a candle and breathe out strongly.
ELIAS: That’s one exercise, yes.
PAUL: Okay.
ELIAS: And keep pushing that air out until you absolutely can’t push anymore.
PAUL: Oh, before taking another breath?
ELIAS: Yes.
PAUL: Okay. I will try that. Then I’d just have to do that a few times a day, and is that equally effective as more aerobics? Or more effective?
ELIAS: More effective. Yes.
PAUL: Oh. Well gosh. Okay. (Laughs) So do that a handful of times each day and I should see some positive results?
ELIAS: Yes.
PAUL: Okay. Yeah. Okay. I’m… Coming up in about fifteen days, I’ll be flying out to Greece for my Greek cruise. Any thoughts—
ELIAS: Congratulations! Are you excited?
PAUL: Yeah. I’m still trying to dot my i’s and cross my t’s. Little things like oh, do I need to bring an outlet converter for the European thing or does the hotel have them already for U.S. outlets, things like that.
My travel agent just finally got me the confirmation I was asking for, for the hotel in Athens before the cruise starts. Because I’m going to stay in Athens for three days before the cruise starts. Is there any particular sites that you’d recommend I really try to pay attention to, or take into… plan to visit?
ELIAS: No, I would say that’s it all a matter of your preference, my friend, and what interests you. My only suggestion would be to have fun and pay attention. Pay attention to the energy wherever you are and how that feels. And I would say that this would also be an excellent place for you to meditate.
PAUL: Oh! Okay. So can I meditate – because I don’t think I’m going to have time when I’m actually at the sites necessarily – but could I achieve the same level when I meditate back when I get back to the ship?
ELIAS: Yes, or at the hotel.
PAUL: Okay. Okay, I will try to focus on that. I’ll probably be so busy it will be hard to meditate, but I’ll try to put that on my… list of things to consider to do.
ELIAS: Very well.
PAUL: Yeah. So I just want to circle back on the one, because it’s getting me to think a lot about the executive VP and my boss’s boss were thinking about a new job opportunity for me. Is there anything I might do that would help encourage that? Or would that be a good thing for me? I think it would be because I’m ready for a new challenge.
ELIAS: And I would say that you could speak to them about it, and express that you are ready for a new challenge.
PAUL: Okay. Meet the both of them? I’ll come back… The immediate boss will probably not take that necessarily, he might not take it in a constructive way. I might be wrong.
ELIAS: But you’ve been expressing to him and he hasn’t been helpful.
PAUL: Correct. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well maybe I’ll send a note to my boss’s boss, just put a note in there, because I had a follow-up on this A.I. project we’re working on jointly. Maybe I’ll do a quick side note saying hey, just to let you know, I’m open for… I don’t know how to phrase it, just new opportunities like this, as part of my career growth. Something like that.
ELIAS: Yes.
PAUL: Okay. Okay. We’re down to about five minutes, Elias. Topics or thoughts that you want to approach me on?
ELIAS: How are you proceeding with your daughter and the grandchildren?
PAUL: It’s okay. I mean it’s definitely better that they’re not living under the same roof. (Laughs) And I do enjoy the fact I can still do stuff with them each day, almost every day, six days a week. But the time is limited to a couple hours, and so it gives me more downtime and to be more self-centered, to meditate and other things in peace and quiet.
ELIAS: Very well. And your interaction with your daughter is going well?
PAUL: Yeah. In general, yeah. I mean… Yeah, I would still like her to get current on some of her finances. I mean, she hasn’t… She was supposed to be paying the car payment for the car that I own but she drives, and she hasn’t done that in five months, because she’s been… has various reasons why she couldn’t do that. So I’ve been kind of reminding her saying, “You be current on this.” And I don’t know how to broach it without getting her antagonized. So I might need to take a different approach, because she basically just thinks, “Well, you’re upsetting me, Dad, because I’m really struggling in finances.”
ELIAS: Then why would you be broaching the subject anyway?
PAUL: Well, because I’d eventually like her to get current on her responsibilities with me, because I’m still paying for that car and she agreed when I got the car that she would be doing the car payments.
ELIAS: Ah.
PAUL: And she did that for a couple years pretty consistently, and then when they, this last year, dropped off and has only done it intermittently. That’s why.
ELIAS: Ah. Understood.
PAUL: So you’re thinking maybe just drop it as an issue and tell her the fact that I’ll cover the balance of the cost and…? I could. I just want to make sure that I’m not just – what’s the word? – giving her the wrong ideas about responsibility. I think being on her own with her own place with her fiancé has really helped her look at things more holistically.
ELIAS: I agree.
PAUL: Yeah.
ELIAS: But I would also express that (pause)… that it would be significant also to hold her to her responsibility. And if she’s expressing that you’re being unfair because she’s struggling, these are her choices. You’re not being unfair to be expressing that this was your agreement.
PAUL: Yeah. Yeah, that’s true. Well Elias, we’re on our last minute here. How would you…? Let me ask you a question. Do you think the… what I’m doing in my current life is still being open enough for social interaction romantically with other women? Am I putting myself out there openly enough in a non-pushy manner?
ELIAS: Yes. And I would say that perhaps your cruise will be an avenue also.
PAUL: Ah, Vinu said something about that! So you must think that there’s a good possibility I might have some engaging conversations on the cruise?
ELIAS: Yes.
PAUL: Okay. Is that a predictive statement there, Elias? Am I hearing you correctly?
ELIAS: No. (Paul laughs) No. (Laughs)
PAUL: Okay. Well, I will… I’ll take that as just a strong potential then.
ELIAS: It’s an encouragement to you.
PAUL: I will take that. I will take that very much. (Elias laughs)
[The timer for the end of the session rings]
PAUL: Elias, our time is up. So I want to thank you very much for an engaging conversation. I look forward to talking to you, hopefully this Saturday.
ELIAS: Very well. I shall be looking forward to that also. And I express tremendous, tremendous—
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