Sunday, October 22, 2023 (Private/In Person)

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Tara (Niella)

[Proofreader’s comment: The transcript of this session was edited without having the audio for comparison. Tara has supplied some explanatory notes.]

ELIAS: Good morning!

TARA: Good morning, Elias! I am so happy to be here in person! (Elias laughs) Finally to meet you face to face!

ELIAS: Excitement abounds! (Laughs)

TARA: It does! I never thought I would get here, but here I am!

ELIAS: And here you are! (Both laugh) Excellent! And how shall we begin?

TARA: Well, I have lots of questions – as usual, a couple that are more serious and then some “candy” questions, but they might not stay that way as you always throw in information that makes my head go [makes to-and-fro sound effect]. First, I have a question for you about our life together when you were Oscar Wilde.

ELIAS: Ahh.

TARA: I have memories of being a young man waiting at a window in an apartment, looking out the window. I was your lover boy!

ELIAS: One of them, yes. (Both laugh) I would agree, yes, and very young.

TARA: And so were you!

ELIAS: Not as young as you! (Laughs)

TARA: Cheeky! Cheeky. I thought so.

ELIAS: Yes. (Laughs)

TARA: But your face almost looked like a cherub.

ELIAS: (Laughing loudly) I would say that would be in the eye of the beholder. (Laughs)

TARA: Mm, okay. (Both laugh). Okay, just a fun one to start with, but my imagery was correct; that is interesting. The apartment with the windows…

ELIAS: Yes, and that would be not in the UK but rather in the US.

TARA: Oh, I did not realize.

ELIAS: Yes. A young man in New York City.

TARA: Oh, I got the chills.

All right, this next one is a tough one, but what I wanted to do was read you my two questions, but it might only require one answer, so if I read you the whole thing it may save you repeating as I think they definitely both go together.

Previously you mentioned I had a theme running through my life of not trusting myself to keep myself safe. This had taken me a long time to figure out that specific issue, and then you clarified that quite some time ago. And then I realized you were right – it pervades every aspect of my life. I am now able to see how that is like tentacles and it’s gone into everything.

ELIAS: Congratulations!

TARA: I don’t see it now as such a bad thing. It’s more of a reactionary thing, and so when I turned 50 I phoned Mary in a panic – “MAAARY!” – because I know Mary has worked through much trauma from her childhood. What I had remembered was like a flash, like a few polaroids of trauma by [name]. But I recognized it’s all I needed to remember. I think it was at ages 5 and 11. Is this correct?

ELIAS: Yes.

TARA: I did a healing with Tompkin, and Samira helped and I did a lot of anger work, and that is mostly gone now. Sometimes it still comes back.

I also now realize that as a young girl I was a very happy-go-lucky girl, very bubbly, and I had this continuing loneliness after this trauma, and I realized that nobody kept me safe and as a young child somebody should have! That resulted in more anger, so then I kinda worked through that.

ELIAS: Congratulations.

TARA: Thank you. Now it’s mostly gone into two areas, I think finances and safety, with the safety being that I still lock my doors and windows. I have been working on this, but at night there is a trigger, so I lock my doors and windows.

I find another thing is I am still attracting people into my life that take advantage of me, as I don’t recognize that it’s happening, as I am kinda naive as I was raised that you give to your friends, you help out, you get off your butt and make yourself useful. I was giving a lot into those friendships. I had to take a step back and look at those friendships, and some of them fell away when I stopped giving free naturopath advice or constantly offering assistance when they would phone with a problem. I had so many friends stay with me during my divorce, or husbands behaving unkind, or, or, or… I found that that was hurtful as they were not really a friend, they were just taking. My partner is really good at identifying this: “They only call when they want something!” he says. He is very good at identifying that. I was really attracting people who were opportunistic.

The second one is finance.

ELIAS: Which also has to do with safety.

TARA: It certainly does. When I couldn’t work because of the covid thing, I have been unemployed for three years except for the Tompkin stuff and a few odd private contracts. I think you are probably aware of all the stuff that happened, like we had to sell our house, our furniture, we moved four times in the past three years. Even though I had no formal employment I still felt in my heart that I would always pay my bills, because I always have paid my bills. So that is becoming a knowing – like I just go, “Meh! I know I can do it.”

I still have some concerns about Australia, such as the advancing digital currency and retirement, the restrictions the government can impose on people with that. I haven’t exactly kept my mouth shut about how I feel about how the government used tactics to control the public and erode their democracy – it was pretty severe there. I wrote to my politicians, as I felt this is a democratic society and I should be able to say something. So that might – ha! – come back and hit me in the face. I am hoping not! (Laughs)

ELIAS: Likely not.

TARA: Good. That’s good to know.

I started playing around with informal income like the Tompkin website and the webpage. It doesn’t earn huge money, but it has started to pick up. I signed up with a company called Mable. [Note: Tara laughs because the company’s name sounds the same name as her dog’s name.] I am going out to the community, and they put out an ad for that: “Nurse wanted for this.” I go to their house and I do, say, wound care, and they pay me through Mable, only I am making $80 an hour instead of $50 in a 9-5 grind for an employer!

ELIAS: Congratulations!

TARA: I am thinking that even though there is not a lot of employment there is bit, and it keeps me grounded in the community and there is a chance for people to get to know me.

ELIAS: Most definitely.

TARA: As people age, there will be more need to.

So now I tell myself I live in a safe universe. I am trying to remain emotionally detached from war hysteria; that has been difficult, but I don’t feel any attachment there now.

ELIAS: Ahh!

TARA: I feel those people should not be being affected by this bickering, and enough is enough, it’s getting stupid. I don’t feel any involvement anymore. It’s not my problem.

ELIAS: Good!

TARA: I know that’s kinda selfish, but that anxiety is gone.

ELIAS: That’s the good kind of selfish.

TARA: And then I am trying not to associate with people who take advantage of me – and Damon is right: they only phone me when they want something. I rarely ask for help. When I needed help there was one friend who stood out, other than the Kombi van people who all tried to help as much as possible. This one friend, who lives close to me, has nothing and is not well off, but she came forward and said, “I can offer you a space to practice your clinic if you want so you can see all your old clients again and get on your feet.” She is an angel. I now go to her house once a month, I pay her for the room space, and she feeds me and takes care of me while I am there. It helps her out too because she is a pensioner and needed the extra money. It’s now like coming home – she feels like the mom I never had. I love it, it is soooo good! (Laughs)

I am trusting in my not working more, but it’s more of a daily assessment: “How much money have I got in the bank? Am I going to starve today? NO!” and I reassure myself that all is well. Then I go back out to my abundance in my garden and look at the large amount of food produce there, so much that I am giving it away to neighbors. That reinforces every day.

My question is: Do you have an exercise or suggestion I can do so that I stop attracting into my reality people that take advantage of me, scenarios where there is a massive drama, where I have to sort myself out because of outside influences like what happened with covid, when we tried to move home to Canada and then the government is saying NO you cannot move out of the country, etc.? I don’t want that sort of stuff anymore. I want to live in a bubble where I know I am safe and the world can fall around me but I will be happy in my bubble. (Both laugh) I want to stop!

That’s it, done.

ELIAS: The first thing I will say to you is, there is the matter of you reinforcing trusting you, and practicing with that -- practicing paying attention to whether and how you’re trusting yourself, and catching yourself when you are not. Now –

TARA: That is hard if you do not recognize it, like people taking advantage and I go, “D’oh, I did it again!”

ELIAS: First of all, express to myself: What is your idea of trust? How do you define trust?

TARA: I would say it’s trusting myself to create my reality [inaudible], I can attract what I require or what I need in my highest interests.

ELIAS: No, I am simply asking you about trust, period, not in relation to this subject.

TARA: I would say then it’s like a faith, that you just know. For example, I KNOW my husband is not the cheating type, I know in my heart he is not that type of person. I KNOW I am a strong person who is very resilient, as I have proven that to myself time and time again. I trust that! That is the only way I can describe that.

ELIAS: That is excellent, therefore you do have a good idea of what trust is. Faith is trust in what you cannot see – that is faith. Therefore, faith many times has to do with the future and things that may not necessarily be in the future but things that you may not necessarily be able to see the direction that something is moving in yet, and you have faith that it will move in a direction that you want – just like you were expressing that you have faith that you can pay your bills, even if you know you can pay your bills because you have shown yourself you can do that. So that is a combination of trust and faith because you are trusting yourself now and you have faith for the future.

That is excellent that you practice with that all the time and that you have that in a working capacity, let us say. In relation to money and your exchange with Tompkin and that being a source of income for you, that is also a matter of you trusting yourself that you can expand that, that you can move in a direction of drawing more individuals to yourself to be engaging with Tompkin and therefore creating more of a direction and that being a considerable source of income for yourself.

In that, how do you do that? You increase your trust, and how do you increase your trust? You pay attention and you notice any of the actions or the times in which you are doubting or you are questioning yourself in relation to that exchange and that source of income.

Now, what does that mean? Let me give you an example: If are looking at a calendar and checking to see how many sessions you have, THAT is doubting!

TARA: I look at the calendar and I look at how many sessions I have, and I worry about how the toll might be on my body and do still have time to talk to these people without interrupting all the things I want to do. BUT THAT IS ALSO DOUBTING! (Laughs)

ELIAS: Yes it is! That is doubting, and I will express to you, remember what I expressed to you in the group yesterday: That is a matter of expanding that action of flow. Include your work as not being work. Include your Tompkin sessions into your flow.

TARA: Yeah, and it’s good interacting with people.

ELIAS: Most definitely. That is very important, because it hooks into regeneration and longevity.

TARA: Right!

ELIAS: Therefore that is very important also. Isolation is not good; it shortens your life, and it creates more difficulty in creating regeneration, therefore it’s not a beneficial direction. Now, that does not mean that you might not have some periods of time naturally in which you do isolate in which you do focus on you and what you are doing and you are not interacting with other individuals, and it’s not about [inaudible]. And in that, remember what I expressed yesterday: You are either balanced or you are not; you cannot be partially balanced in something and not balanced in something else. If you are not balanced in something, you are not balanced in anything.

Therefore, this is also a matter of balance. You are looking at all these different things that you want to do, and you do have enough time. Remember also what I expressed: That is part of the not-balanced when you move in the direction of not enough. “Not enough” isn’t simply about not enough money.

TARA: It’s not enough time, not enough….

ELIAS: It’s not enough time, not enough energy, not enough focus, not enough sleep, and in that, what I would say to you is, you do have enough. You do have enough time. Time is….

TARA: Tompkin says time is malleable and we can manipulate it.

ELIAS: It IS! And in that, it's also a matter of focus. The more focused you are, the more effectively you use time. The less focused you are, the more time you waste. Thought – thinking – consumes a tremendous amount of time. You don’t realize it but it does, because it stops actions. Therefore, you can be thinking, and let me express to you, you can be thinking and it can consume 15 minutes now in which you are not acting, you are simply thinking, and then you might stop yourself, you might engage some action and then you will start thinking again and it will consume another 15 minutes or another 20 minutes. That can happen repeatedly throughout your day, to which you end up with thinking consuming four or five hours of your day.

TARA: Wow! NOOOOO…..

ELIAS: And you don’t even realize it, and at the end of the day you are expressing to yourself, “Where did all the time go? Why couldn’t I accomplish everything that I wanted to accomplish? I don’t understand where all the time goes.” That is where all the time goes – it goes into thinking, and you don’t realize that you stop doing when you are thinking; and in that, it is so automatic that you don’t even realize you are doing it.

Therefore it is a matter of attention and directing your attention and catching yourself whenever you are moving into those thought processes. And in that, it’s not about not thinking, because thinking is a natural part of your functioning, but it’s a matter of thinking productively. Which, what that means is, it is not a matter of stopping your thinking but checking your thinking throughout the day, and is your thinking a part of what you are doing? Are you focused upon what you are doing and therefore whatever you are thinking is also a part of that?

TARA: So, more mindfulness?

ELIAS: So that your thinking is not about your grocery list or what you are going to do 20 minutes from now and do tomorrow, or should you telephone this friend of yours. Anything that isn’t related to what you are doing is stopping you from what you are doing and is eating up your time.

TARA: I call that mindfulness. I have managed to do that for four hours straight and then I go, “Wow, I know monks can do it for days at a time, but it is challenging.”

ELIAS: And you do not have to be exhausting yourself with focusing, just simply being focused but being flexible in being focused. It is not always a matter of being relaxed, as sometimes being relaxed is counterproductive, but it is a matter of being flexible in what you are doing and not being rigid and therefore exhausting yourself. You can be focused and not be rigid.

TARA: I think that is what happens when I garden or when I am painting.

ELIAS: Yes. As I was expressing yesterday, those are excellent examples to translate into other examples.

TARA: So when I am going to the store and we are going shopping, pay attention to when I am getting the groceries, pay attention to where my thoughts are going – is that what you saying? As that plays into the whole finance and safety thing, I am paying attention to inflation is really getting high, these groceries are getting expensive, so catch myself and refocus on myself and what I want to buy, not the rest.

ELIAS: YES! Exactly! Right. And that also uses up time. You stop doing whatever you are doing while you are shopping, as you are standing in front of the items analyzing how much it costs.

TARA: Right, and every second pondering is a second that adds up.

ELIAS: And even if it’s only eating three minutes at a time, it’s still cumulative; and in that, throughout the day in many scenarios it genuinely can consume hours.

TARA: Okay, that is a good thing I can try, and then I will have awareness of where my thinking is going with regard to safety and give myself more clues.

ELIAS: Now in relation to safety, do you do the exercise in relation to safety that I have expressed? That is specifically associated with safety?

TARA: I don’t know what it is.

ELIAS: Does your dog sleep in the room with you?

TARA: Yes.

ELIAS: Excellent.

TARA: Well, I actually have two dogs, and I hear more than they do.

ELIAS: That is the problem.

TARA: I want a dog that hears everything.

ELIAS: Now, this also feeds into trust, because you can trust your dogs regardless of their size, regardless of how they act around you. Let me express to you genuinely, you don’t see it because you haven’t presented that kind of scenario to yourself, but I will say to you, that if an intruder came into your home, they would alert you, they would bark. AND not only would they bark, they would likely even attack. Even a dog this size [Elias points to Mimi, Mary’s Cavalier Spaniel], can be vicious and can actually genuinely do damage and harm someone when they are protecting you.

You are expressing to me that you have this same dog? This breed of dog?

TARA: Yes. Mabel is the same size and breed, but she is black and white. I also have a Jack Russell, but she is quite old.

ELIAS: You already likely know how loyal this dog is to you and how much it loves you?

TARA: Yes.

ELIAS: That loyalty translates very strongly with this particular breed or anything that belongs to you. Anything that belongs to you, such as a vehicle, if they are in the vehicle they will protect it with their life.

TARA: That breed of dog??? Who knew? Mine just sleeps in the car (laughs).

ELIAS: This small breed of dog, they are fierce in their loyalty.

TARA: When Mabel was young she used to growl at Damon when he would enter the room if she was on my bed, so we had to keep her on the floor where she would be more submissive, as she was much nicer then.

ELIAS: Yes, this is an example. It is natural for them – they are fiercely loyal and fiercely protective.

Now that being said, you have this little dog, and your other dog is what?

TARA: A very old Jack Russell.

ELIAS: Another fierce dog. Now in that, that breed is very vocal. It is excellent that they are in the room with you. The exercise is very simple. It is something I would suggest you do every night, and it generally will require two to six months for it to entirely permeate everything in you, literally every cell in you, which then you will then begin to see a difference sooner than that.

The exercise is: Before you go to sleep, sit on the edge of your bed. This can be done within a minute. Sit on the edge of the bed, place your feet upon the floor, physically look at each wall in the bedroom. Quickly note what is along each wall. If there is a door, a window, study each wall. Also, close your bedroom door. You do not have to lock it, but close it, then after you do that you look at the ceiling, then you look at the floor and you say to yourself, “I am safe.”

TARA: Okay, I can do that.

ELIAS: And know that your dogs will protect you, and in that, you can sleep soundly and rest because you don’t have to protect yourself.

TARA: Okay, so that leads into my next question, Elias – well, not my next question, but I want to go there now. This autoimmune dysautonomia that my doctor said my body has: Now when I talked to you about ten years ago about my muscles unlocking, you said it was related to not moving within my flow, and because I am rigid my muscles unlock. Now that I know what flow is, I guess, and I am now thinking that because I am such a light sleeper and cannot get into a deep sleep, and because the dog snores and my husband also snores, that the lack of deep sleep and not dumping cortisol has also led to this?

ELIAS: Yes. Now, another trick that you can interpret, if your husband snores and your dog snores and that can be disruptive, I would very strongly suggest that you acquire a sound machine.

TARA: Will that affect the dog?

ELIAS: No, absolutely not.

TARA: Is that a white noise machine?

ELIAS: Yes. Generally, most of them in your current time frame have several settings. Use whatever is soothing to you. For many individuals, the white noise is best, in that you can assess that, and if it doesn’t bother your partner you can set it at the loudest tone and volume; and in that, you will become used to that background sound, and in that you will stop hearing the snoring, because your brain will focus on that noise and you will sleep.

[Tara’s summary of inaudible section: There is discussion about surgery on eyes, new habits to rebalance oneself, and paying attention to what is best for her particular body.]

Sleep is a very important factor in relation to health. What I am expressing to you is paying attention to thinking when it’s not related to what you are doing. Are you moving in a direction of not trusting something? Are you being anxious? Are you being stressful, are you expressing tension? Are your muscles tight? Pay attention to all of these things that are counterproductive to you and are actually creating physical manifestations.

Now; in relation to your eyes, you are expressing that they are sore?

TARA: Well, they are very dry, as I developed SLK (an autoimmune disease) after mold exposure after the floods. Our house was full of mold, and we had to move. My eyes are constantly dry, and the vessels are all inflamed.

ELIAS: And do you use eyedrops? How often?

[Tara’s summary of inaudible section: Elias then discusses increasing the frequency of eyedrops to five times per day. Tara then discusses doing hair testing for heavy metals on patients in her area and on herself, and discovering arsenic in the soil and water, and asked Elias about where it is coming from. He says it is coming from air and soil and further elaborates on that, as it affects health. The discussion lasts approximately five minutes regarding pollution from the coal plant.]

ELIAS: Even with modern filters you cannot filter it all out.

TARA: Is Pureau water in Australia good for me?

ELIAS: Yes, and unfortunately many, many countries are still using coal, which is polluting. It is unfortunate, as there are other methods of producing electricity; and in that, I would say that coal is very inefficient.

TARA: Yes, but the infrastructure is there. The cleanest energy source for Australia would be nuclear, as we have no earthquakes and it could go out into the desert, but it would not benefit the few who are making all the money off of solar and wind farms, now would it? And we know who they are (laughs).

ELIAS: Correct.

TARA: And we know who is behind the making money off so-called renewables, so we won’t even go there (both laugh).

ELIAS: I would agree, that would be your cleanest and most efficient direction to move in, and that, not only is it cheaper, and not only is it not necessarily making money for certain companies. But in that, people have been made to be afraid of it, which is ludicrous, but that is a considerable factor, that people have been made to be afraid of it and they don’t want it.

Now, let me offer you another exercise you can do for your eyes that will take two minutes. [Elias explains about closing the eyes and relaxing the muscles around the eyes frequently during the day.]

TARA: Okay, my next question is a bit more fun, but strange. I keep having this dream where I do not know if I am on another planet or what, but Damon, my hubby, and I are up on this hill, and it looks a bit like the hill I am on now, and the scene looks a bit apocalyptic. It looked a lot more apocalyptic five years ago, but in the dream more recently it looks less so. Anyway, we are helping people up onto this hill, and they are living like gypsies in tents, and we are helping people get food and tarps and transporting people. It is very real. We are helping with housing, and there are families involved. In one dream we went down with our truck and we were moving animals up the hill. These dreams have gone on for years now. The gear they are using does not look like today’s stuff, so that does not make sense. Can you shed some light on this dream, please?

ELIAS: That is a probable reality. It is not another dimension in a manner of speaking, although probable realities are different but they are parallel dimensions to yours. They are other dimensions that involve other aspects of you in this form. Therefore what you are doing is you are tapping into another probable reality and watching what you are doing there. I would say it's considerably unusual to consistently tap into another probable reality and to be observing what you are doing in that reality, and the same probable reality. Of course, it will change as you are doing this through time.

Understand, you are not doing an action visiting another focus at another time and then going back to look at this other focus; you are observing yourself and your partner in another probable reality in REAL time, in NOW time. Therefore, from five years ago to present time you have been watching through time what is happening.

TARA: Okay. Well, when I wake up at least I will know what I was doing and that it is not something that will be happening in the future in my current reality now. (Elias laughs)

And another dream, five years ago, was: I was a 70-year-old woman living in a tin shed with my hubby, and I came out of these glass doors of the shed. Damon was still in bed, and I looked up on the hill and there stood goats and a donkey. Then I looked over the horizon, and I realized that someone had just dropped a nuke as I could see the big mushroom cloud, so I turned back to the shed and said, “Well, fuck, there goes the neighborhood!” and I went back to bed because I knew it was over and I didn’t give a shit. (Both laugh)

What was that all about? Now I am in my new house, and I actually have goats! My impression was that I was accessing what humanity was vibrationally experiencing at the time, and that was one possible direction we could go in at that time – unlikely, but a possibility – but I no longer feel that. And I was not scared.

ELIAS: (Laughs) I would agree, quite so.

TARA: So another “candy” question: Does my partner Damon have a focus as Slim Dusty? The famous Australian country music singer?

ELIAS: You are correct!

TARA: (Laughing) Damon hates country music! (Laughs) I told him that ‘cause I knew it, and he said, “You are so full of crap! I hate country music.” (Elias laughs) I heard in my head before I met him, “You are about to meet Slim.” I thought, “Slim?? He is a big bear of a man, definitely not slim!” (Both laugh)

[Summary of inaudible section: Tara and Elias then discuss some symbols that are important to Tara for giving messages to herself and what they represent; i.e., the daisy and the iron cross.]

ELIAS: The iron cross means, “Be paying attention to you.” Some people do this with numbers, with time, with the clock. It is fairly common for people to have some type of symbol to them, that when that symbol is displayed they are communicating with themselves to pay attention at that moment.

TARA: On another topic, last time Linda asked questions for me you hinted at a crystal ball answer for me there, and you said one of the greatest stressors for me is my relationship. I thought, “Huh, really?” That was months ago. Well, now it has become a problem. My hubby Damon used to work 17-hour days and work away week on, week off, so being soft, I had time to get into my flow and just arrange my day as I liked. Now he has been stood down due to arthritis in his spine and taken early retirement. He is home 24/7 and he is in my face all day! (Elias laughs loudly)

I know, right? It has been quite an adjustment. So now his nickname is Sir Interruptus. After you were talking to us about flow, I realized this could be a good thing (laughs).

ELIAS: And remember that you are participating, therefore you are making that happen, in a matter of speaking. But if he is interrupting you even if you are not thinking about this, you are inviting that to happen.

TARA: Oh yes, I get that I am creating the reality. He is just not self-directing. In fact, I have a memory of when I was Princess Louise and Damon was my guard soldier outside my bedroom door, making sure I was safe. He also has some future lives as a warrior with me, and I think that is part of that spiderweb we talked about earlier, why I attracted him into my life, to help keep me safe.

As he is not self-directing, he gets up in the morning and says, “What are we doing today?” I look at him and ask, “Am I your entertainer?” So now I leave a list of farm tasks that need doing, as he is happy when he is puttering around the farm. He is also happy when he’s playing on his computer, but he looks to me first and says, “Do you need me for anything? I am going to play on the computer.”

ELIAS: Because some people – actually, most people – are what is… The best description would be that they are the workforce. Most people are not self-structuring; they may be self-directing once they are told what to do.

TARA: Exactly! That’s him.

ELIAS: Because that is actually the majority of the people. They are the worker bees in your world, and it’s very purposeful that you have this tremendous vault of people that are comfortable with being directed.

TARA: (Laughs) Oh, so I am going to have to be directing.

ELIAS: (Laughs) What I am expressing is that this is not unusual. There are many more people in your world that are comfortable with being directed and structured. When you are telling someone what to do or how to do it, you are helping them.

TARA: He doesn’t really like when I stand over a job and tell him what to do, obviously; that’s just annoying. But if I leave a list he is happy, and then if he gets stuck he will come and get me to ask my opinion.

ELIAS: Correct. In that, it’s not that they are not self-directing all the time but just that they are not self-structuring. With a list, they are not interpreting that as you telling them what to do or you directing them; they see it as a structure of their time and will do it in whatever order they choose and then direct themselves within that structure.

TARA: Sometimes I will make that list a list of shopping so I have time for me, and sometimes I get frustrated with the structuring as I am not sure what needs to be done so I will say, “I ain’t your mama!” And he will laugh and then says, “I am just trying to help.”

ELIAS: You can avoid all of that by recognizing that you are simply helping in relation to structuring. Think of yourself as being the boss.

TARA: Oh, but that can be fatiguing.

ELIAS: You don’t have to be fatigued. He is doing the work; all you are doing is providing the structure.

TARA: Does that mean I am a leadership personality?

ELIAS: You are leading. Now let me advise this again, that the wording is somewhat deceptive. People that are supporter personalities are actually organized, very directing; and in that, they are creative, inventive and correcting. They are considerably structured. People that are leader personalities, they become leaders because they are put in those positions.

In that, also people that are leader personalities can learn to self-structure, but they do not do that naturally. People who are leader personalities are, for the most part, not naturally tremendously organized. They can learn to be – and let me express and reiterate, there are exceptions to that – but generally, leader personalities are defined as leader personalities in the correct circumstances and given the correct supporter personalities around them who will put them in a position of leader. They can assume roles as a figurehead in relation to whatever the situation is, and therefore they can be the individual in the spotlight.

TARA: Okay. I am not a leader personality – I hate the spotlight.

Would you say with your definition of love, have I ever been loved as per that definition?

ELIAS: I would say your partner loves you in his own way.

And who else may you think has, in your life?

TARA: I would say my father. Our relationship changed when I was a teenager and I left home. I would say I lost respect for him, sadly, due to another’s influence. He also lacked a true picture of who I was due to that same person’s comments.

ELIAS: Love can be dampened because of experiences, but once it is sparked it doesn’t die. I would say you love your partner.

TARA: I do, but I feel he does love me in his own way but it is not necessarily reciprocated in a way that I would prefer, in a manner that I have more appreciation for.

ELIAS: But that doesn’t mean that you don’t love him. Love is not an emotion.

TARA: I think we are together in many other lives in a relationship.

ELIAS: Yes, you are.

Love is not an emotion. Affection is, but love is not an emotion, and in the genuine definition of what it is, I would say you definitely have that with your partner. What it is, is a knowing and an appreciation – and there are varying degrees of that. Some can be a strong flame that is very obvious, meaning not an emotion but it can influence a strong feeling of affection, and that can be a strong flame. But a strong flame in genuine love would be noticeable in that very frequently looking at the individual or being – as it doesn’t have to be a person, like a dog or a horse – and in that, when you look at them you are flooded with appreciation.

TARA: [Inaudible] Okay, let’s finish up with that topic. I think I am happy with how to proceed.

My next topic is about my naturopath clinic. When I go down to Ipswich to a clinic I rent and I am treating people, there is a lot that has changed. There are these four doctors in Brisbane who have proven in court that the covid vaccine changes the human genome. The vaccines were intended as genetic modification, and the spike proteins have done a lot of harm, even to the unvaccinated. I am unvaccinated, as I had bad reactions in the past and I was not going to do that again.

When I treat the vaccinated in the clinic, I am touching them, doing acupuncture or massage or kinesiology, and I have these weird reactions. I get wild headaches afterwards, lethargy for days. It seems worse right after they are vaccinated. I am also treating little kids who have super high heavy metals post vaccine, and they are not thriving. I do acknowledge the choices they have made, and I don’t know if I am over-concerned with how I can help them, as some are now very sick. I would like to offer what advice I can and what help I can without it affecting me. They are not happy, not healthy and want it detoxed out.

ELIAS: Buffer out! Actually, in your terminology, bone deep inside of you it is important to acknowledge and accept that these are other people’s choices – even with children, these are the choices that they have made. People make choices all the time and then complain about it and then don’t like their choices.

TARA: No, they are not happy with their choice, they are angry, they are feeling tired all the time, they regret it.

ELIAS: People make choices all the time and regret them later. Now in that, you are aware enough that if you make a choice and you are not happy, you can change it and you can do something different. Even though these people may not necessarily have that awareness objectively, they are doing something about it. They only know that now there’s something they are not comfortable with, and they are seeking help in relation to that.

TARA: Is what I am doing helping them at all?

ELIAS: YES! And in that, what is important is that you recognize that you are doing a service, a job. You are choosing to do the service. It is a choice, and you are not responsible for them. You are not responsible for the choices they made, you are not responsible for how much they participate in treatment, you are not responsible for the choices they are making or what they receive or don’t receive from you. You are only responsible for your choices, and that is moving in a direction of offering helpfulness because you can, and that is what is important to you and that is where it ends. You are not responsible for how they receive that help or what they do with it; that is their choice. Your responsibility ends with your choices.

TARA: Okay. So when I am doing the energy work, buffer, and recognize if they want to receive it they can, and if they don’t that is okay, too. Some give me feedback and say they really like it.

Does the acupuncture help?

ELIAS: Yes.

TARA: And do the supplements I am giving help?

ELIAS: Yes.

TARA: Does the homeopathy help? It seems to be working.

ELIAS: I would agree, because it is essentially treating the whole being and not simply focusing on one area or one symptom or one expression. Treating the whole individual is much more effective. I would say what is important is treating the whole; and in that, remember that what each of these people is feeling is also part of it and important. Therefore, if they are worried, if they are anxious, if they are afraid – all of these things – what they feel plays into what they are creating, and whether they allow your help to actually help.

TARA: Also a lot of people do not express feelings around their choice and the vaccine. They just want it out.

ELIAS: But that is the point, is for you to ask. Because in that, don’t take it on, but by asking you can more efficiently be expressing your helpfulness and your aid.

TARA: Would the heavy metal detox work on Damon? He has some from our rainwater tank. He will take it if I encourage him to, but I am not sure if he needs more.

ELIAS: Yes, it will work.

TARA: Okay, that is the timer. Elias, I have to thank you. It has been so fun!

ELIAS: You are tremendously welcome, and it has been exceptionally wonderous to be in physical proximity to you.

TARA: I find being in your company in person to be elating all day. I get nervous at first, but –

ELIAS: And that is tremendous!

TARA: You are like a bottle of champagne.

ELIAS: I like that! From now on that you have this experience you can carry this with you and my energy is with you.

TARA: Sometimes I hear you in my head, is that correct?

ELIAS: Yes, you do!

TARA: Thank you, Elias.

ELIAS: Trust yourself, trust your ability with your Tompkin exchange. It is very strong,

TARA: It IS very strong. I do sometimes have doubt when people tell me later what Tompkin has said, but that is getting better. I find Tompkin is constantly surprising me, and he has been so helpful for people. I just need to trust that more.

ELIAS: Excellent. It is as it should be. I express tremendous love and affection for you and dear genuine friendship. Until our next meeting, au revoir.

TARA: Au revoir!

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