Mortality in a World with Regeneration; Inner Landscape; a Woodworking Business
“First and Foremost, Stay Present”
“Learn From Your Choices”
“Faith and Trust”
“Inner Landscape Exercise: Hip and Knee Healing”
“Never Say Never”
“Use What You Know”
“Longevity and Death in the Future”
“The Circle of Changing Experiences and Changing Associations”
Wednesday, September 13, 2023 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Linda (Ruthanna)
ELIAS: Good morning!
LINDA: Good morning, Elias.
ELIAS: And how shall we begin?
LINDA: (Laughs) Well, I’ve got about ten pages of notes and questions (laughs) and then the minute I hit the record button, I was like, “Ohhh!” (Laughs) I don’t know. (Laughs) Things have been going really well for me, so I want to frame the conversation in that, but I’m wanting to tweak some areas and ask some questions of interest as well.
ELIAS: Very well.
LINDA: So I’ve been feeling somewhat restless, maybe like I’ve hit a plateau or maybe I’m in one of those in-between places, like you talked to Lyla about this week. Maybe not feeling a passion or inspiration, in terms of regeneration or… And Lockhart, my woodworking business, I’m making, with Odie, we’re making fun, new stuff. But we’re kind of bumping up into, against the unpredictability of markets which is, has been somewhat standard. They’re time consuming. They don’t generate a lot of money, or some of them don’t generate a lot of money. They’re unpredictable in terms of weather. We had two that were just miserably hot, and people didn’t come out and we made, we sold, not made money, we sold $22 that market. So we’re kind of bumping into that and assessing markets.
And we had this opportunity come up. There’s a gallery of artists in downtown Pittsboro, and we don’t exactly make art. We make functional art perhaps. But they approached us to apply as their woodworker. And it’s expensive and it requires a bit of a time commitment and so I have some hesitation about doing that, but it’s smack dab in the middle of Pittsboro. And I have been risk averse before and sometimes have regrets about that, which is another conversation. And I’m wondering what your perspective would be on that opportunity. Is it worth the investment for us?
ELIAS: It’s only worth the investment for you if you are in a direction of expressing excitement about it, and therefore would be committed in a manner that you’re expressing your passion with. Otherwise, I would say that it wouldn’t necessarily generate a significant payoff.
ELIAS: It could. It could, if you are excited and expressing your passion with it and moving in that type of direction. But if you’re not, then it’s likely that you won’t generate much of a payoff.
LINDA: And I think there is excitement. I think what happens for me – I’m not sure about Odie as much – but for me, then the excitement gets muddied with my responsibility, my practicality and my being risk averse. But I like to think that I am capable of focusing on the passion and the inspiration enough.
ELIAS: You definitely are capable. You’re definitely capable.
LINDA: Okay. So do you have any advice for how to maintain the passion and the inspiration, and not fall into the trap of the responsibility and the doubts?
ELIAS: First and foremost, stay present. (Linda laughs) That would be the first piece, because the other piece is one of projecting, which is what moves you in that direction of doubt and thinking about responsibility. Also pay attention to not only you, but the people around you.
ELIAS: Pay attention—
LINDA: Go ahead.
ELIAS: — to the passion and the excitement in the people around you.
LINDA: Okay. (Pause) Okay. I mean, this is kind of a linked question. One of the things I’ve been considering doing again is… Previously I had approached stores about having our stuff, our work, in their shops, either on consignment or some arrangement similar to that, and had been very excited. We didn’t get any response except for the number one place in Okracoke that we wanted our stuff most to be, in their store. The woman was really excited about it. She asked us to send a price sheet, which we had never done, but I put one together, told her that this was our first one and we would negotiate. We really wanted our stuff in her store. And then I never heard from her again. She just disappeared. And we didn’t hear from any of the other places, which were also, we were also excited about having our stuff in their stores. Do you have any insight that you could offer me on what happened, and maybe whether I’m at a place where it might be more productive to do these kinds of approaches again?
ELIAS: I would say that yes, it is or can be productive to move in that direction. I would also suggest that you take the time to engage with people in physical proximity. That actually does make a difference.
LINDA: In physical proximity to where we live?
ELIAS: No. To go to the places that you would—
LINDA: Oh. Okay. That’s interesting because that would be Odie’s approach. He would much rather have direct contact with people.
ELIAS: Yes. I would say that that is wise, because it does make a difference.
ELIAS: When you are not engaging with people in your terms face-to-face, it’s easy for them to forget you. It’s easy for them to become distracted and have other things happening in their lives, as with this situation, and then for them to forget.
LINDA: Okay. Odie is really comfortable, and I think we’ve talked about that in terms of storytelling and connections. Is it better to let him be the lead person in those kinds of contacts?
ELIAS: Yes, because he’s comfortable with that.
LINDA: Okay. And I’m kind of the fill-in person with details (laughs) and so forth?
LINDA: When we do markets and people come by, and they’re coming up to us, I love, I feel inspired and I feel comfortable talking to them about what we do and why we do it. But it’s a little different feeling than going into a store and talking to them about business. But maybe I could become more comfortable myself.
ELIAS: I would say eventually you likely will be, but I would say also you could go along and watch, and in that, be observing how he interacts. And not that you need do the same thing, but it may give you ideas and inspirations in relation to you being able to do that eventually also.
LINDA: Okay. Very good. All right. (Laughs) Well, thank you. I think I can feel more unfettered inspiration.
One of the other things… I don’t know how I want to approach (laughs)… I don’t know how I want to approach this. I think there is… in part of feeling restless and kind of feeling a plateau in… I think there’s also a component of regret about missed opportunities. I didn’t end up doing the Airbnb in the mountains. I let that opportunity pass by, for a variety of reasons, and the property is now worth (laughs)… Instead of $100,000, it’s now worth $250,000 and booming. I still have, I think, threads of regret. Maybe that’s not the right word, and we can talk about it. Certainly awareness about my healing practice, you know, the reveresco thing, that in my mind failed. It didn’t produce income or even a single client. And I have this awareness or sometimes this thought that I abandoned my wine path, that I wanted to be certified and be a wine expert. And so sometimes that’s background noise and maybe it’s important background noise, but I’ve been trying to figure out what to do with it and not to let it pull me down. And I just wondered how much that plays out in what I’m manifesting today?
ELIAS: In what capacity?
LINDA: I don’t know. I think it makes me hesitate. I think it makes me risk averse, the experience of the “failed,” quote-unquote, healing practice. It makes me question maybe my judgment in terms of the missed opportunity with the condo in the mountains. Does that make sense?
ELIAS: What I would say is yes, it does. But I would also say that once again, this is all a matter of perception and choices and what you do with them. The experiences that you’ve had, you can perceive that in a manner of allowing yourself to be cautious and not trust yourself, or you can use those experiences in relation to making different choices, and recognizing that everything is about choices and that you can learn from all of your choices.
In that, what I mean also by learn from your choices is that with every choice that you make, that you think of as a failure – which is not actually a failure – but that you might think of in that manner, you’ve given yourself information and you’ve expressed different impressions, intuitions. That doesn’t necessarily mean you listened to them (Linda laughs), but it also doesn’t mean you didn’t have them.
ELIAS: And therefore, in that, it’s a matter of recognizing that these have been choices that you’ve made, and in those choices what were you paying attention to? And what were you not paying attention to? And in relation to what you were or were not paying attention to, both, then it’s a matter of looking at that and looking at how those things influenced your choices and what choices you make. And then moving forward and in present situations, making different choices. Sometimes you make choices erring on the side of caution—
ELIAS: — and not taking a risk. And in that, I would say that it’s a matter of looking at the choices that you’ve made pastly, and then when you present something to yourself in the present, looking at that and looking at what you would automatically do, and then re-evaluating that.
LINDA: (Laughs) Yes.
ELIAS: Because it’s a matter of not only information, but also about trust.
LINDA: Yes. (Laughs)
ELIAS: And sometimes trust is expressed by taking a leap. This is what I have discussed with all of you about trust and faith. Faith is the trust that you put in what you can’t see yet, but that faith is generated by the trust that you have now, in yourself. They move together.
LINDA: I can see that. Okay. Well that’s very timely (laughs) in terms of moving forward with the choices in our business, in our work. Very helpful.
Interestingly, last time we talked I was struggling with the inner landscape experience, in part because I was looking for more visual, moving picture kind of things that other people experience. And shortly after our session, I tried it again and I was on a beach lying down, and suddenly I had this sense of someone kicking sand on me, all along my body. I don’t think they were kicking my body. It was just a brief moment, but I had this perception. It came to me, the concept that I was beating myself up. What would your sense be of that image that I had in the inner landscape?
ELIAS: Remember what the inner landscape is. It’s the opposite of dreams. Dreams is the objective translation of what the subjective is doing. The inner landscape is the subjective imagery of what the objective is doing.
Now; in that, in a manner of speaking, you could say that you are beating yourself up or that you’re (pause) clouding your perception sometimes.
ELIAS: By being so caught up in the analyzation of details (Linda laughs) that you are somewhat clouding what you’re doing. And in that, it may not necessarily be that you’re beating yourself up, but that you are irritating yourself sometimes or creating irritations, which would be the imagery of being hit with the sand.
LINDA: Okay. And so, does it always matter whether we have a correct or even any sense of interpretation of what that imagery is?
ELIAS: No. That’s the point. (Chuckles) You don’t have to analyze it. You don’t have to understand it. You don’t have to do anything with it.
ELIAS: That’s the point, is that with the inner landscape, the images – which don’t even have to be actual images, as I expressed to you – and let me also express another factor to you. Even though people may discuss the inner landscape with myself and they may discuss actual images, that doesn’t mean they’re seeing them.
ELIAS: They simply sound as if they are seeing them, in their descriptions, because they may be very aware of what they’re creating and they have the impressions of the images, but they may not actually be seeing pictures.
Now; let me also say to you that the point with the inner landscape is an exercise in trust. That your subjective awareness is creating that moving picture as an illustration of… It is doing two things: it’s confirming what the objective awareness is doing or how it participates in whatever is happening that you’re not necessarily pleased with. Otherwise you wouldn’t be doing the inner landscape. You want to be changing something. And in that, the subjective awareness is validating that and then it’s doing something about it.
LINDA: Okay. That helps—
ELIAS: That’s the point. That’s the moving picture part of the inner landscape, is that the subjective awareness is expressing, “Yes, I have the message that you’re not happy with this objective expression and that you want something to change. And therefore, I’m changing it.”
LINDA: Okay. And I think I was thinking that it also had a dimension of a communication of something I should be doing or I wasn’t doing, and that’s not the case.
ELIAS: No, that is not the case.
Now; I would say that in relation to what you do objectively, that simply by the nature of being reasonable with yourself, you would want to be paying attention to what you are doing and to at the very least attempt not to be continuing in certain objective expressions that would be contrary to what you are expressing in relation to your inner landscape. Do you understand?
LINDA: But would that awareness come from the imagery or whatever the presentment is?
ELIAS: Not necessarily. No. I would say—
LINDA: Okay. So it would just be that… Okay.
ELIAS: — that if you have, let us use your example of regeneration. You have an idea of something that’s important to you, something that you want to be engaging. And in that, you’re expressing that intention with the inner landscape. But objectively also it would be very helpful for you to not be generating actions that would be contrary to that expression and subject of regeneration. Therefore, you don’t want to be moving objectively in opposition to what you’re doing in the inner landscape. You want to move in harmony with that.
And you don’t have to know anything that the subjective awareness is doing and you don’t have to do anything in relation to the inner landscape. You already know what the subject is. That’s what your intention is.
LINDA: Right. Yes. (Laughs)
ELIAS: Therefore it is simply a matter of objectively moving in a direction that’s in harmony with that intention.
LINDA: Right. I have clearly been overcomplicating it. (Laughs) Thank you for the clarification. (Both laugh) Not that I do that frequently, but occasionally.
ELIAS: Ah, no, I would not (inaudible).
LINDA: Well, in the link to regeneration, I feel like – it seems like I have evidence – that I have either healed my knee and even my hip issue, or I have mostly done that and am continuing to move in that direction. Is that an accurate assessment?
ELIAS: It IS an accurate assessment. I would say that the latter is the situation, that you have definitely moved in that direction and you are in the process of healing and are continuing to do so –
LINDA: Very good.
ELIAS: — as you regenerate cells, and I would very much be acknowledging of you.
LINDA: Well thank you. It feels (laughs)… First of all, it just feels really nice not to have the pain, especially the hip pain. But it’s just so wonderful to dance and have the flexibility that my assumptions or my associations kept telling me that I would not ever experience again. And it’s amazing to have those moments and to experience that movement.
ELIAS: (Chuckles) I would say to you, my friend, never say never. (Laughs)
LINDA: I know. And like you suggested to Lyla (laughs), when you’ve got a… I’m going to live to 120+, so I’ve got a lot of time to play with this stuff. (Both laugh) I am… I am (laughs) quite aware of incorporating a sense of urgency at times.
I was wondering, not to overcomplicate, but what I have done that has been most helpful? I mean I’ve done Qigong for joints and flexibility. I work with the energy centers. I take supplements that are supposed to work at the cellular level, and I think I am continuing to deepen my trust in regeneration. But I wondered, is there something that’s really achieving this or is it the combination weaves together?
ELIAS: I would say it is a combination of all of it, because that’s what you trust.
LINDA: Yes. (Laughs) That whole… And I have felt that more and more, especially as science is slowly adjusting its perception about regeneration and longer health spans and lifespans. And even I’m now reading a book that talks about the impact of our beliefs on aging and degeneration on our physical health. So it seems like they’re not yet really talking about perception in the way that you do, but that perhaps there is at least threads of science that are more and more contributing to what I can weave together with other materials I trust.
ELIAS: I very much agree. And I have expressed to some individuals that have inquired more recently that your scientists are moving more in that direction. They haven’t quite caught up, in a manner of speaking, in relation to recognizing the full importance and significance of perception but they’re beginning to move in that direction, which is very encouraging.
LINDA: It is. For me, it helps when I can pull together evidence or information, insights from a variety of perspectives.
ELIAS: Very understandable. Of course. It is very encouraging when you have more sources that are corroborating each other.
LINDA: Yes. Well, one of the impulses I’ve been feeling is wanting to write again. I kind of let the writing on wine and food fall away, but I’ve had this impulse to write, pull together, weave together all of the different paths that I’ve followed that inspire or support new or different associations about regeneration. I set up a spot in the barn that I thought I would do it, I was wanting to reconnect with the barn and kind of pull together the channeled work and the sessions and the science of epigenetics and cellular biology and some of the practices that I do. But I haven’t actually done anything yet, but I was wondering if this would be a viable inspiration or path for me to pursue that? I might make a contribution that I’ve wanted to do for so long.
ELIAS: I would definitely be encouraging of you. Yes.
LINDA: How do I begin? From that… I don’t want it to be… Yeah, all of the research and everything that I’ve written in academia, I don’t want that necessarily to be who I am when I do this, but I don’t know how to begin otherwise. (Laughs) That’s my training.
ELIAS: That IS your training. And I would say that that IS where you begin, with your research. And then you can move in more relaxed directions in relation to what you put together. But I would say that denying what you know and what it automatic to you merely complicates the situation. Use what you know.
LINDA: Okay. All right.
ELIAS: That simply gives you a beginning. And in that, then you can move in more flowing directions and less strict directions.
LINDA: Okay. Okay. That helps. That helps give me a direction. Thank you.
ELIAS: You are very welcome.
LINDA: Continuing on regeneration – and I’ve lost my notes on this, so I’m going to wing it – I wanted to talk about some of the practicalities of regeneration and longer, longer lives. So what does mortality look like in this world in which we are able to recognize, instruct our bodies to regenerate and continue to regenerate? What…? What does end of life look like, beyond the accidents and injuries, drowning and stuff like that? What does it look like?
ELIAS: I would say the appearance of it is more in the direction of what you idolize. It’s more peaceful and it’s more objective. That moving in this type of direction of regeneration and generating more longevity is a matter of recognizing that death or discontinuing in this reality IS a choice. And that you choose that when you’re ready.
And people think, “Oh, I’ll never be ready. I want to live forever.” No, you don’t. (Linda laughs) I would say that (chuckles) this is an exploration and the longer you live, the more you realize that. And in that, the longer you live the more you realize about value fulfillment, and how that is expressed. And in that, someone might live to be 100 and might be ready to move to the next adventure. Someone might live to be 150 and decide that they are ready to move to the next adventure.
It’s also a matter of recognizing that this isn’t the end. That’s a big piece of what motivates most of you to want to extend life, that motivates you to want to increase your longevity, is because you’re still not quite certain about what happens after you die. And you’re still not quite certain about whether death is the end of everything. Even speaking to myself, you’re still (chuckles) not entirely convinced. (Linda laughs) And therefore that is a very significant motivation, is that you want to continue with life because what if that’s all there is? And in that, the longer you live, the closer you move to the recognition that that isn’t all there is, and that you’re moving in a direction of another adventure when you disengage from this reality. And in that, it becomes less and less scary. And the less scary it becomes, the more willing you are to let go and move in a new direction. Just as I would say it’s likely you never thought that you would be engaging woodworking.
LINDA: Right. (Chuckles)
ELIAS: But it’s a different and new adventure. And in that, it’s become something that you’re passionate about and that you love. You don’t know what you might be passionate about and love until you attempt, until you take a step in a direction that you’ve never attempted before. And death is simply one of those steps, something that is different and unfamiliar and unknown. And in that, it can be scary because you don’t know what to expect, although I’ve told you what to expect. (Both chuckle) You don’t necessarily entirely believe that. You want to believe it, but there is no actual evidence of it, because no one has come back from the dead and corroborated what I have expressed to you. Even though there are other essences that have expressed some similarities, they also (whispers) are not here, living with you. (Chuckles)
LINDA: I know. And you know, after Santa Claus and God not being real, it kind of (chuckles), it kind of deigns your trust. (Laughs)
ELIAS: I understand, although I would say that there are a number of ghosts that are talking to you—
LINDA: I know. I know. These celestial peeping Toms we talk to. (Both laugh)
ELIAS: But I would say that in all of this that what death looks like or what end of life looks like, or the appearance of that in the future, is much more objective than it has been. And in that, much more of a choice in relation to an intention.
LINDA: Okay. And would it be objectively an intention in the sense that friends and families would be aware of that intention, and that it might be a more peaceful disengagement than the painful, sometimes violent ways we disengage now?
ELIAS: Yes. Yes.
ELIAS: And may even become a celebrated choice, rather than a mourned choice.
LINDA: Very cool! (Laughs) I see… I’m trying to think. I don’t know if this question is about… I’m not sure I’m using the language here, and so I’ll say it one way and then open it up for you to change the language. But it seems like one of the things you’ve talked with us about and Lyla most recently is that one of the important things is examining and changing or shifting associations. Is it…? I’m trying to get the concepts right. Is it that we’re paying attention to different associations or we’re shifting to trusting other associations? What is the language I’m looking for?
ELIAS: In relation to what?
LINDA: To changing the influences of our beliefs about aging. I think you used the terms of associations with Lyla. Is it that we’re shifting associations we have with aging, in regard to regeneration?
LINDA: Am I muddying that? Is that the language?
ELIAS: I would say it’s a matter of changing the association and changing how you perceive and interact with life, in relation to aging.
ELIAS: Rather than interacting and having the associations with life that it is degenerating as you age and that you are declining as you age, it’s a matter of perceiving and expressing the new associations. Which remember what an association is: it’s an evaluation of a judgment. And in that, creating new associations in association with your experiences. That you’re generating new experiences with your life. You experience in new capacities by seeing differences in your life. Seeing that your hip doesn’t hurt any longer.
In this, I would agree with you in one capacity, that seeing is believing. Not that that’s the only manner in which you can be believing, but it’s definitely one of the strongest influences. And in that, it’s a matter of changing how you associate with life. You’re changing your experiences, which in turn is changing your associations, which in turn is changing your experiences. It’s a circle.
And in that, it moves you in new directions in relation to what you create and choices that you make in every direction of your life.
LINDA: Right. I think one of the challenges for me, and I think for many of us, is while we’re trying to generate new evidence in ourselves and the issues we have in our bodies and we’re trying to create that personal evidence that changes our association, we’re in the midst of family members, parents, friends and peers who generate different evidence. And they’re making choices to retire and they’re making decisions to invest in retirement, and we’re doing seemingly irresponsible things like living in the now and doing things that run the opposite of retirement. Do you have any advice for how we navigate that… I don’t know if it’s dissonance or… the evidence, that counter-evidence, while we are in the process of creating evidence and trust and new associations ourselves?
ELIAS: You’re creating your reality.
Now; let me say to you that anything that is new can create an entirely new type of reality and direction in life. Look at your technology.
ELIAS: And in that, there are generations, two mainly, generations of individuals – but that’s a lot of individuals – that have not grown up, in a manner of speaking, with the technology that you have at your disposal now. In that, I would also say that in the midst of the growing expression and inventions of technology, there have been many, many, many people that cling to what they know, which is not the technology. And in that, are clinging to what they know by expressing that they don’t understand or they can’t manipulate it or they don’t want to. And in that, they’re not necessarily entirely – or weren’t – moving in expressions of supportiveness or even encouragement in association with this movement. But the movement took hold and marched forward. And it doesn’t matter.
It is evidenced throughout your history in many, many, many different capacities. Whenever there is a new invention of anything, people generally are not necessarily tremendously excited and are skeptical. Even with things that make their lives easier, they’re generally skeptical. If it’s easy, it must be too good to be true because easy is not what you are taught to move in the direction of, is it?
LINDA: (Laughs) No.
ELIAS: Therefore in that I would say that regeneration is no different. It’s a matter of you paying attention to you, and believing in you and believing in your direction. And in that, not being discouraged by people around you (Linda chuckles) and recognizing that what you’re doing will benefit them also, whether they know it yet or not.
[The timer for the end of the session rings]
LINDA: That’s exciting.
ELIAS: Just as I would say with the invention of the refrigerator. It benefited all of the individuals, whether they knew that it would or not.
LINDA: Well that’s really encouraging (laughs) imagery to end with. I feel… I feel inspired. Thank you.
ELIAS: Excellent! THAT is the point, my friend. (Laughs)
LINDA: And I know that you know I struggle with beliefs about talking to a dead guy, and you still talk to me. So thank you! (Both laugh) Thank you. I know you’re always there.
ELIAS: It doesn’t offend me that you don’t necessarily entirely believe what I am. I don’t necessarily (inaudible).
LINDA: Well, I would prefer it that you could just give me some really concrete evidence, like just come sit in front of me while we have conversations (Elias laughs), but I’ll settle for what we have right now. (Both laugh)
ELIAS: Very well.
LINDA: I appreciate your generosity. (Both laugh)
ELIAS: Excellent. I would say to you, my dear friend, even if I did sit directly in front of you, you likely wouldn’t believe it. (Both laugh)
LINDA: Probably not. (Laughs)
ELIAS: You likely would attempt to explain away what you were imagining. (Both laugh)
LINDA: Yeah, I’d probably go have my brain checked out. (Both laugh)
ELIAS: Very well.
LINDA: Thank you.
ELIAS: I express it doesn’t matter, because you listen anyway.
LINDA: I do. Thank you.
ELIAS: And benefit anyway.
LINDA: Yes, I do. I do. Thank you
ELIAS: (Chuckles) I am very encouraging of you, my dear friend, and I would express to you tremendous support in relation to your business and your business with your partner and the two of you and your movement. And I would express tremendous encouragement in relation to your regeneration. You are doing well.
LINDA: Thank you.
ELIAS: In tremendous love and great, great (inaudible).
LINDA: Well, I love you too, more than any unexplained being ever. (Laughs) Thank you. (Both laugh)
ELIAS: I will be greatly anticipating our next meeting, my dear friend. (Laughs)
LINDA: Thank you. Me too. (Laughs)
ELIAS: And I shall continue to engage you regardless of what you think.
LINDA: (Laughs) Thank you. (Laughs)
ELIAS: In tremendous affection to you and dear friendship, as always, au revoir.
LINDA: Au revoir.
(Elias departs after 1 hour 3 minutes)
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