Friday, September 9, 2023 (Private/Phone)

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Ann (Vivette)


ELIAS: Good morning!

ANN: Well good morning! How are you? (Elias laughs) I can’t believe I asked that! Don’t answer that question. Don’t answer that, because I know. (Elias laughs) Old habits die hard. (Elias laughs) So I would like to start with just a couple fact questions. My little newest grandson, Silvano, is here and I wanted to get his stats. I think he’s Gramada, Ilda, political, common.

ELIAS: (Pause) Congratulations!

ANN: Oh. Good.

ELIAS: Yes.

ANN: And what is his essence name?

ELIAS: (Pause) Essence name: Gianni (Gee-AW-Nee), G-I-A-N-N-I.

ANN: That’s funny because he comes from an Italian family too. (Elias laughs) And then his dad, Chris, I think is Sumari, Ilda, emotional, and then I was having a hard time. I didn’t know why. Like intermediates are so easy for… Actually, I had no idea. I could see intermediate. I could see soft and I could see common in him. Let’s say soft.

ELIAS: (Pause) No.

ANN: Yeah, I’m so confused on that one. I don’t know why. (Elias laughs) Is he common?

ELIAS: Yes, he is.

ANN: Or intermediate? Oh, he’s common too. All right. So that’s a big common family. And then is he Sumari, Ilda, emotional?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANN: Oh. Fun, fun, fun! And then what’s his essence name?

ELIAS: Some individuals that are common actually have a leaning in the direction of intermediate and therefore sometimes they can be mistaken for an intermediate.

ANN: Yes. He’s very… Like you know, intermediates sometimes do that extreme thing and he can be like really, really loud like John and I can be very, very loud. And he can go back and forth, so that kind of would make me think intermediate, but… But yeah, common. So what’s his essence name?

ELIAS: One moment. (Pause) Laurel (LOR-al), L-A-U-R-E-L.

ANN: Okay. Well thank you.

ELIAS: You are very welcome.

ANN: All right. And then just a couple very physical questions, before we get into the esoterical questions. Okay. So I had read or had seen on my… One woman, she’s really into herbs and natural remedies and stuff, and she was saying that if you take calcic salt and put it on your tongue before you drink water – because a lot of water now, especially filtered water, all the minerals are not in it – that that will give you enough of the minerals. There’s enough minerals in the calcic salt that will help you absorb the water, that will help your body absorb the water. So one, I’m wondering if that is correct, and two, then I got to thinking it was so weird because I remember you saying when you eat salty food, sort of like the (inaudible) or whatever, you retain the water and you pee it out. You don’t necessarily absorb. Your cells don’t absorb the water. So I thought that seemed kind of like a paradox, unless table salt is different, you know, your body reacts differently than calcic salt. So I’m just curious about all of that.

ELIAS: I would say it’s possible for some people. That it’s not something that I would say is applicable to everyone. But that it can be beneficial and you can move in that direction with some people. I would say that also that salt is different. It has other minerals in it. It is not simply plain salt. And it doesn’t have iodine in it.

ANN: Is iodine healthy—

ELIAS: Which I would say that in many countries presently they do add iodine to salt, in very minute amounts.

ANN: Yeah. Does iodine help absorb…? What is the purpose of the iodine? Does the body need iodine?

ELIAS: It does, and it is beneficial in very, very small quantities.

Now; what I would say also is that in more recent time frameworks your medical sciences have discovered that you have been receiving iodine in your diets in these very small quantities in salt for such an amount of time that it’s actually not necessary any longer. And in that, I would say that too much iodine can actually be very unhealthy.

ANN: Yeah. Okay. All right. I will look into that a little bit later, because I’m curious. But all right, the other thing related then to diet is I’ve noticed, I think I’ve kind of figured out how when I… Like I remember I found out chocolate gave me a reaction, had me break out and stuff, and I did the whole taking it out of my diet, not breaking out, putting it back in my bag, breaking out. So I know I can eat it maybe one or two days, but if I eat it on a regular basis, I know my body doesn’t like it.

Well, on this trip, I think maybe I talked to you about this before and I forgot about it, but now I’m not going to forget about it anymore. But on this trip, the summer trip that we took, and I stopped going to Renoja because obviously we weren’t in town, and at Renoja I did things like infrared, saunas and red light beds in the cryotherapy, which all helped with inflammation, and then I’d take my turmeric which helps with inflammation, so I don’t think I was really noticing it. You know, the whole last year I’ve been doing Renoja. And now so we go on this trip and I’m not doing it anymore, and a lot of times I tried to reduce my intake of carbs. Like if I want to lose weight, I know, you know a no-carb diet is ridiculous or ludicrous I think you had said at one time. But I had been eating a lot of bread, or I just started eating bread again, not necessarily a lot. But I just… more than I usually do. And I noticed I used to have, like years ago I used to have these aches in my joints. Either sometimes my knee hurt so bad that I couldn’t walk down the stairs, and my wrist, and John would massage my wrist or my shoulder. I would just have these achy pains and I would have to take aspirin or whatever. And then a couple weeks before our trip ended, we were at this winery and they had pizza to eat, and I was really hungry and so I ate a lot of this pizza, a lot of bread. And then that night, I lay down in bed and I had my shoulder, it’s just killing me. And I’m like… And then I thought, ah, I wonder if it’s the bread. So I told John. I said well, I’m going to not do bread for the rest of the trip and I’m just going to see if all my aches stop. All my aches stopped. So I’m like all right, well, that’s pretty obvious. That’s something in the bread. So my question… But then I start to think about it. I’m like, is it the bread? I know you said sometimes we are harvesting bread too soon, or… Then I was listening to this podcast about the glyphosate on the bread. Is my body reacting to the glucose in the bread or something else in the bread? Or is it reacting to the poison or the pesticides on the bread?

ELIAS: No. It’s reacting to the ingredients in the bread. Yes.

ANN: But not the glyphosate?

ELIAS: The glycemic index? Actually that’s part of it, yes. And what I would say is…

Now; this is something you can experiment with. That if you freeze the bread and then thaw it, it changes the molecular structure. And then if you toast it after you freeze it and thaw it, that changes it even more. And therefore, you might be able to consume bread if you use that method of freezing it and thawing it and then toasting it. But I would say that if that isn’t successful, I would suggest that you stay away from those types of products.

ANN: What about…? I know sometimes you said sourdough bread is a little different?

ELIAS: Yes. Sourdough bread IS different. Actually, that is very different and I would say that you could experiment with that also.

ANN: Yeah. I’ll try that. I’ll try… Maybe I’ll take sourdough and freeze it and thaw it and toast it. But—

ELIAS: You don’t have to. You don’t have to with sourdough bread. It is very different and therefore you don’t have to do that process with that type of bread. That is the only type of bread that you wouldn’t do that with. But every other type of bread, yes, if you want to consume bread I would say that that would be the safest direction for you to do that. And if you still have a reaction to it, then it’s that your body is not moving in a direction of accepting it at all.

And in that, let me also explain simply for clarification that this is something that can happen at any time in an individual’s life. It’s not something that you have to be born with or that you’ve never been able to consume bread. It’s not necessarily that type of situation. You can develop that at any point in your life. Very similar to allergies.

ANN: Interesting. So I am going to… Yeah. Well, I’ll experiment with that and also experiment with the sourdough. It’d be great if I could eat it, but if not, I mean it wouldn’t be so bad to give up bread. There’s other stuff I wouldn’t want to give up, like my wine. (Elias laughs) I’ll give up bread if I don’t have to give up my wine. (Elias laughs) So, body, let’s not develop that allergy.

All right. And then I’m going to ask a question for Share about the… She just wants a curiosity question about the Maui fires. She said, and I don’t remember hearing me say it and I’m not sure what it refers to, but she said that there was flame, that you had said there was a flame retardant that is mixed with the soil and over a period of time it actually will become an accelerant? An accelerant? And she is curious if that is what happened with the Maui fire.

ELIAS: No.

ANN: No. All right. Why was the Maui fire so severe? What caused it then? Just…

ELIAS: I offered that information, but I will reiterate it. In that, the reason that the fire moved as quickly as it did and as intensely as it did and destroyed as much as it did is very similar to the situation with Hurricane Katrina. That although the town of Lahaina was very quaint and it was quite the centre on that particular island, and actually originally was the capital of Hawaii, I would say that it also was somewhat of a bone of contention. The native Hawaiians are, have been somewhat in a position of being not necessarily listened to and not valued as much. And I would say even though there is a government in place that employs mostly native Hawaiians, I would also say that they’re politicians. And once they move into politics, that doesn’t necessarily mean that they’re always moving in the direction of the best interest of their fellow Hawaiians. And in that, there have been things that have been overlooked in relation to this town for quite some time.

This is the similarity to the situation with Hurricane Katrina, in which the reason there was so much damage in places was because there were things that were infrastructure that were noticed and that there was an awareness of and weren’t fixed. And regardless of how much the locals were expressing the importance that certain things be addressed to and be fixed, they weren’t. And the local governments kept off-putting them and also, in addition to that, it was a situation in which the local population was considerably depressed.

And this is a very similar situation in Maui, and in that, rather than have a hurricane destroy the town, which they could have, they had a fire destroy it. And in that, it was burnt and gone exceptionally quickly and a tremendous loss of life, but I would also say that those individuals chose to disengage in solidarity in a manner of speaking with the situation and that it was making a point. And now, although it is a tremendous tragedy and disaster, it will make way for new. It will make way for new jobs, for new construction, for new infrastructure and even though they lose the quaintness and the historical factor of the original town, it is making way for the present time.

ANN: Yeah.

ELIAS: And moving in a direction of supporting the people and generating more income for one of the islands that is viewed as a tremendous tourist island. And now it will be more able to support that.

ANN: Wow. Yep, there’s always… Like you think about good or bad or tragic, I mean there’s… I guess there’s many different ways to go about accomplishing something. And it kind of makes sense—

ELIAS: There are.

ANN: Wow. All right. Well thank you. That was very interesting and it kind of makes sense. Hm.

Two different directions I might want to go into from there, and both directions I’m not really quite sure how I want to word them. But when you were… When I was listening to you talk about that, the thing that… Like the people weren’t being listened to and being valued. I can think of times in my life, and maybe current times, not too… Well, I don’t know, but where someone may say something and I think it’s, you know, either complaining or not valid, what they’re saying, or whatever. And I could dismiss them or discount them or I might even have the impulse – I used to always want to point out they were quote-unquote “wrong.” Obviously, finally, after years of talking to you (laughs), I’m realizing that’s not such a great thing to do, and I don’t do it. I probably have done it occasionally, but I do it so much less than I used to, which is… I like that.

But lately I’ve just been wondering. I’ve been thinking about like the whole thing that happened with Sally. And I said oh, I don’t trust her. And she’s like, “Oh, well why do…?” And you asked me, “Why do you want to be friends with someone you don’t trust?” And I thought yeah. So I guess what I’m thinking about, and I’m sure I can find my way through this but you know, obviously words of wisdom from you are always appreciated. But so I’m thinking about how to balance all this. How to balance, because there are some people, like a couple of people I have noticed that I interact with, not a lot and basically all online, but it’s like I’m trying to be, kind of like I was trying to be with Sally, to be the… I don’t know, the spiritual person, or be the good person, or… And I realized I don’t necessarily enjoy interacting with them, but I’m doing it because I’m thinking oh, I’m trying to better myself or teach myself to be more accepting, or teach myself to be more understanding or not be so judgmental.

So I’m thinking, like sometimes I’ll think well, I’ll try to think of the… Like for one person in particular, I’ll say well, there are some qualities about this person that I do appreciate genuinely and I do like, and then there are some qualities that I don’t. This is one person. And for the most part, you know, I don’t interact a lot in a way that I feel uncomfortable with. I just interact maybe surfacely. And the other person, they just drive me crazy. And I’m like, why am I even interacting with them? So I think I… I guess the question in all of this is just trying to find the balance of… There is a part of me that feels like if I don’t like somebody or if I judge somebody or don’t want to interact with them, there is a part of me that feels like I’m being a bad person still, I guess.

ELIAS: Ah. (Pause) I would say no. That you’re not meant to like everyone. And in that, everyone isn’t necessarily going to like you. But what I would say is that you naturally are drawn to individuals that you have commonalities with and therefore individuals that are more like you, and you’re not as drawn to individuals that are not like you. And the more someone is like you, the more drawn to them you are and the more someone is not like you, the more you are repelled by them.

Now; in that, that is a very natural phenomenon. And what I would say is that it’s simply a matter of recognizing that you may not have much in common with certain individuals or they may have very different guidelines from you, and therefore their behavior may be very different from yours and that may be irritating to you. And it’s not wrong or bad that you don’t necessarily want to be interactive with them.

And what I would say to you is, you can be accepting and that doesn’t mean you have to like them. You can accept them as an individual and that they have value, and that they have commonalities with other people and you can accept that whatever their guidelines are, are significant to them, and that doesn’t mean that you have to agree with it.

In this, it’s the same, that acceptance doesn’t mean you have to agree. It doesn’t mean you have to like something. And it doesn’t even mean you have to like the person. You don’t. And in that, you don’t have to interact with individuals that you don’t like or that you don’t have commonalities with or that irritate you or that bother you. I would say that it’s different when you have some type of issue with someone that you are close to and that you want to be interactive with, and that this is important to you. That’s different. Then it’s a matter of looking at the situation and looking at how you can move in a direction, what you can do to be less bothered by what another individual may be expressing or a particular behavior that they generate.

But in general, on the whole, if you simply are irritated by a particular individual whenever you are in proximity with them, it may be many different things. It may be that your guidelines are very different. It may be that you have a repelling counterpart action with them. It may simply be that their personality is different enough that it irritates you, or how they express themselves. It’s a matter of recognizing that there are many different factors that can contribute to you not liking someone, and that you aren’t bad and there’s nothing wrong with you or wrong with expressing that, to be not liking someone. That’s not bad or wrong. And in that, reminding yourself that that also doesn’t mean that you can’t accept them. You can. But you don’t have to participate with them.

And in that, if you find yourself in a position in which there are times in which you will be in physical proximity with an individual, because that happens sometimes. It might be a family member. And in that, you may have times in which it’s inevitable. It’s unavoidable. You’re going to be in physical proximity with this individual. And in that, then you have choices. You can either choose not to be interacting with them and avoiding them or you can interact with them in a very superficial capacity or you could actually even tell them (chuckles) that you don’t like them and they likely won’t interact with you any longer. (Chuckles) But that’s less likely that you would do that. You’re not—

ANN: Probably (inaudible).

ELIAS: But I’m simply expressing that these are all choices and that there’s nothing wrong with the factor that you may take issue with someone.

ANN: So, as you were speaking, the thing that kind of came up… You were saying okay, so you’re drawn to people who you know are more like you, and repelled by people are less like you. That kind of also makes me think okay, so I’m just hanging around and have my circle around people who are like me. Like am I putting myself in some kind of an echo chamber versus having people who aren’t like me, who I think maybe I could expand from that experience?

ELIAS: I would say yes and no. Because I would say that you naturally gravitate towards people that are like you, but that doesn’t mean that they are identical to you. That doesn’t mean you don’t have some differences. And each one may have different differences from each other, and therefore also from you. And in that, you do give yourself diversity in that. And let me also express that they may have commonalities with you and they may be like you in some capacities, but they also have their own experiences, their own background. And therefore they have different elements to share. You all do.

ANN: Yeah. Actually now… That is so true. I mean I have a friendship with a woman who I adore. We get along great. I love her company. I love being around her. And we think completely different about some areas. Actually, she thinks more about some areas as this one person who inter… They have more of the same beliefs, let’s say, in the government, than I. Their beliefs are more in common. So yeah, I guess that doesn’t… There’s plenty of people I love that I can interact with and expand with. There we go.

ELIAS: Yes.

ANN: I don’t need to worry about interacting with people that I don’t necessarily… And there are really not that many of them, and maybe there are not that many of them because I’m already not interacting with them. (Laughs)

ELIAS: Correct. Correct. Yes.

ANN: Okay. I mean, that’s not really, it doesn’t feel like a big deal for me. I was just kind of wanting to find the balance in that. But the other thing I want to kind of talk about, and it’s kind of… We started in one of my last or last two conversations. I still am very curious about this separation-no separation thing. And here again, I’m not even sure how to ask questions so I’ll just kind of stab at some things and see if I can make sense of any of this.

But so I’m thinking… All right, obviously physically focused, part of the whole deal is to feel separate. I feel separate. I’m in a focus. I feel separate from everything around me. I feel separate from the other people. I feel separate from the furniture. I feel like I am definitely separate.

Now we go to non-physical, and supposedly there is no separation. But even when you talk about non-physical, you delineate different essences. So essence names, therefore essence names. That is kind of a separation in non-physical. Is everything I said as far—

ELIAS: Yes.

ANN: Do you agree? Correct?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANN: All right. So in non-physical, is it a correct statement to say there is separation?

ELIAS: There is separation in non-physical in certain capacities. Such as when an individual dies, they blink into non-physical but they still have perception, beliefs and an objective awareness. And as long as they maintain those, they create an ongoing expression of separation. And also in non-physical there are choices such as what I am engaging.

Now; in an energy exchange such as this, I’m choosing to be interactive in a particular capacity with physical beings. And therefore in order to do that, I have to participate in some elements of separation, such as speech. In non-physical expressions in which you don’t have an objective awareness and you don’t have perception, that isn’t an expression that would be a part of the experience. It’s a part of your experience because you exist in a physical reality. Therefore in order to engage with you effectively and efficiently, I have to engage in that participation of separation, which allows me to engage speech, which allows me to engage with you.

There are other examples. But I would say that yes, there are situations and actions that an essence might choose to engage that would require a participation with some aspect of separation in non-physical. But generally speaking, if there is no interaction, physical interaction with some physical reality, and if there is no objective awareness or perception, then there is no separation. Even with the idea of essences in consciousness, in consciousness in non-physical that’s not a designation of separation either. (Pause)

This is what is so difficult for individuals in physical focus to understand, because you are so accustomed to separation. And therefore in that, this is also the reason that I have generated that designation of observing essences. Is there actually such a thing? No. But individuals in physical focus don’t understand that lack of separation, and therefore if they have another focus that is Joe Smith, no one else can have that focus because there can only be one. There is one focus, but that doesn’t mean (chuckles) that it is entirely separate and only one essence has that focus. But because it is so difficult for humans to understand or process or accept that factor of no separation, I have generated a designation of a distinction of directing essences and observing essences, because that’s easier for you to understand and it doesn’t threaten identity. Because I could say YOU in your focus, that there is no directing or observing essences and it’s not only your essence of that that has created that focus of Ann.

ANN: Yeah.

ELIAS: But that would be too threatening to identity, because you DO exist in a reality that expresses separation. All physical realities express separation. And in that, in order to preserve the identity of the individual, that’s the reason that I express in the manner that I do, and why I also don’t engage much conversation about non-physical. Because people don’t understand. You understand what you know. And what you know is dictated by your experience. And your experience does not include a lack of separation.

ANN: So I know I asked you this before, but I forgot and it was years ago and I’m not even sure I could find the session again, but how is it that you, when someone asks you if they’re directing or observing, how is it that you come to the determination of telling someone they’re either directing or observing?

ELIAS: Now; THAT is an excellent question, and one with a very simple answer. How that is determined, or how I would determine it, is by the directorial ratio of involvement of any particular essence.

Therefore, if one essence is directing experiences more than another, in direct association with a particular focus, that would be a significant piece. Because I could say that it would be a matter of which essence initiated a particular focus, but that would be inaccurate because an essence might initiate many, many, many focuses and then may not actually be as directly involved with the experiences.

Now; when I say directorial influence, that doesn’t mean that any essence is dictating to you what to do or what direction to move in. No. You’re making all those choices. (Pause) But as essence, which this is the tricky part and the part that none of you actually understand, if you are essence then what essence are you? (Both chuckle) But you’re every essence. Therefore it’s a matter of which essence is engaging the most attention, let us say. And that is an interpretation. That’s not literal, because attention is something that is also an objective expression. Therefore figuratively speaking, which essence is involving itself the most in its attention with you. And therefore that would be the essence that I would express is you. But that’s all a loose translation.

ANN: Yeah. So if I as a focus, right now, let’s say I guess according to this conversation, Vivette would have the more directorial ratio of involvement with me, now is that something because I am choosing that or is it because of what I’m… So I guess it’s like the chicken-egg kind of thing. Like if I have my interests and my desires, is that coming from my focus of attention? I know my choices are coming from my focus—

ELIAS: Yes.

ANN: — or am I being influenced by essence to have certain desires?

ELIAS: No.

ANN: So this focus of attention, what I am, Ann, so Ann as I, as Ann, what I am choosing, my experiences and my choices actually determine the essence, let’s say name – I know there’s no… It’s kind of weird, but let’s say determine the essence that I am going to be closer linked to, for lack of a better word? (Pause) (Laughs) I know it’s hard, but—

ELIAS: I would say yes and no. I understand what you’re attempting to do, and you’re attempting to separate more—

ANN: Yeah.

ELIAS: — and identify in that separation something singular. But it doesn’t function in that manner. I simply give you that information because it’s something that is somewhat important and necessary, but I give it to you in relation to what you can understand.

ANN: Yeah.

ELIAS: Therefore, as I said, it’s a loose translation.

ANN: Yeah. So then I was thinking about, okay, like we were talking about thoughts last time. And thoughts are translations of maybe information that I’m getting from essence sometimes?

ELIAS: Repeat.

ANN: Are thoughts…? Am I…? With my thoughts, am I translating information that I am receiving from essence at times?

ELIAS: (Pause) At times, because thoughts are a translating mechanism. Therefore as an input of information, yes, at times you would be.

ANN: So… And before, we talked about thoughts not coming from us, thoughts being in the vibration or the wavelength and we kind of like pick up on them because of the vibration, where we’re vibrating or how we’re—

ELIAS: No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no.

ANN: All right.

ELIAS: No. (Ann laughs) Thoughts are definitely something that you are generating as a mechanism of translating. Just as you don’t pick up on your senses. Your senses are a part of you and you are generating them. And in that, your thoughts are something that you are generating as a translating mechanism in relation to any input of information that you take in. In that, your physical brain is connecting with the energy and impulses of energy and electrical expressions that are what your thoughts are made up of, and your physical brain is connecting with that and translating that into electrical and magnetic impulses that it sends throughout your body in your neurological system.

(The timer for the end of the session rings)

And that all translates also into language, of one type or another. Some individuals translate into a language of pictures, some into language of words. In this, however you translate into language, that’s what your physical brain does.

ANN: Okay. All right. Well, let’s leave that there for now. (Elias laughs) I have to figure out… The better question to be asking myself is why am I so curious? Why is all of this important to me? (Both laugh) Okay. So the bell rang. So just one quick question. You know that, I think it’s called that landscape exercise that you tell people about, like you visualize—

ELIAS: The inner landscape. The inner landscape, yes.

ANN: The inner landscape. Yeah, yeah. So I do that sometimes and then I think I remember you saying but you don’t put yourself in there. So I like try not to put myself in there, but I always end up going in there. (Elias laughs) I always end up putting myself in there. Is that—

ELIAS: All you do is create a picture. That’s all.

ANN: You just create a picture.

ELIAS: Yes. Create—

ANN: And then it starts moving.

ELIAS: — one picture as if it were a photograph. (Inaudible)

ANN: And then if I end up in the picture, if I end up in the picture, I’m not doing it wrong, am I?

ELIAS: No.

ANN: Okay.

ELIAS: It’s simply if you put yourself in the photograph, then you’re in the picture. But it’s… You don’t have to be in the picture.

ANN: Okay.

ELIAS: And in that, the picture actually is of some type of landscape. That is the important piece.

ANN: So when, you know, rejuvenation, I like think okay, I want to do rejuvenation, regeneration, and then I’ll pick a landscape, and then I always seem to go to… I’m still practicing. I’m not necessarily very good at this yet, but I always seem to go to evergreen trees. (Elias laughs) And not in cold places. (Laughs) And I’m thinking maybe evergreen because they’re always, you know, rejuvenated. I mean, they’re always green. They’re always—

ELIAS: And that may be your symbol for regeneration.

ANN: Regeneration. Hm. Yeah. I guess it’s all personal. Anyway… And I don’t receive pictures. Sometimes. Very rarely. It’s interesting to me. Oh my god, we’re just all so different! It’s interesting to me that some people actually receive pictures.

ELIAS: Yes.

ANN: I have done it, in very, very rare occasions, not doing the inner landscape, but I’ve actually seen like a picture in my mind’s eye. But I think it’s like so rare and wondrous that I think I’m doing something fantastic when that’s how a lot of people do it. It’s just mind-boggling to me how the inner workings of different people’s minds work. Because mine is just like a knowing. Like I okay, I know it’s there.

ELIAS: Yes.

ANN: One time I did see, actually see something. Anyhow, we’ve got to go. But (Elias laughs) the point of that all is boy, I am just really understanding how completely different we all function. I mean, I guess it’s a good thing. (Elias laughs) Yeah. Okay, Elias.

ELIAS: That’s what makes you all unique.

ANN: Yeah. All right. Well, enough rambling. Thanks for indulging me on my questions that—

ELIAS: You are very welcome. (Both chuckle) And I shall greatly be looking forward to our next meeting.

ANN: Me too.

ELIAS: In tremendous, tremendous love and affection and friendship to you as always, au revoir.

ANN: Au revoir.

(Elias departs after 1 hour 4 minutes)

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