Session 202307061

Support for Sister and Dad After Mom’s Passing


“Support for Sister and Dad After Mom’s Passing”
“Connecting With the Dead Through Animals, Plants and Dreams”
“Perceived Lack of Movement in a Business: Creating a Foundation”
“A Manifested Opportunity”
“Keep Yourself in the Number One Position”
“More Dream Memories as a Sign of Expanded Awareness”
“Feeling More Comfortable with All Facets of Reality”

Thursday, July 6, 2023 (Private/Phone)

Participants: Mary (Michael) and John O. (Arry)

ELIAS: Good morning!

JOHN: Good morning!

ELIAS: And what shall we discuss?

JOHN: I want to start with some continuing questions and conversation related to my mom and my family. The first thing is something I wanted to ask in our last conversation, but we didn't have time. I'm trying to think of the easiest way to phrase it. I feel we could spend the whole time talking about a lot of these questions, as usual, so I'm trying to figure out the best way to phrase the question, but essentially I was just curious if you had any type of suggestions or words of encouragement for my sister for how she can help process losing my mom – just anything specific or general, or just kind of anything that you think could be helpful for her that I can pass on to her.

ELIAS: Does she have any animal companions?

JOHN: No. Well, my niece who lives with her – her daughter – has a dog, so they have a dog in the house, but she doesn't have her own.

ELIAS: But she does live with one.

JOHN: Correct. Yeah, she lives with the dog.

ELIAS: Very well. (Pause) Now, does she have any type of relationship with the dog, or does she ignore it?

JOHN: (Laughs) I would say, from what I've seen when I lived there and in general, my perception is he mostly stays with my niece downstairs in her room, and when family events happen or anyone else is over he pretty much just stays in the room. It's not like he's around interacting with people that much. He kind of just stays off in my niece's room, and when she's there with him they connect, but I would say they don't really have much of a direct relationship, no.

ELIAS: Very well. Does she have houseplants that she cares for?

JOHN: Not that I'm aware of, not in the house. I mean, she does things in the yard when the season is appropriate, but not in the house as far as I know.

ELIAS: Very well. What I would say, what I would suggest, is that she acquire an orchid and that she begin to be caring for this orchid.

Now; this will be an easy avenue in which she can actually connect with your mother's energy. Plants and animals are easy avenues for the dead to actually connect and interact with the living. In that, what I would say is if she's paying attention and if she is caring for this orchid, it will be an easy avenue for her mother to be projecting energy to her, and through that the plant will likely bloom more and longer.

Let me say that depending on how an orchid is cared for and the energy that is being expressed around it, if the energy that is being expressed around it is correct, it can bloom for months – meaning that those flowers can remain for months. I would say that she'll also notice that if she is genuinely paying attention and encouraging that interaction, or open to receiving energy from her mother, that the plant will begin to bend towards a certain direction – not necessarily only towards the sun, because these plants don't always only bend towards the sun; they bend towards energy. That's the reason that I would suggest this particular plant. And in that, she can be observing the plant and how it’s bending and what direction it’s moving in and how long it blooms, and she can talk to her mother through the plant.

JOHN: Interesting. Well, that was not the direction I was expecting at all! (Both laugh) Yeah, that sounds like a great start. I'll pass that on to her.

ELIAS: Because the most affecting piece when someone dies is that the people that are in physical focus feel and perceive that they not only have lost that individual but that they have no means to interact with or communicate with that individual, and that's not actually correct. It's not actually accurate; they do. And in that, the individuals that have died actually do receive the energy that the person in physical focus is projecting. It does come through into nonphysical.

Now, in that, then the individual – until they remember their death – they translate that into the image that they are making of that individual. Therefore, she is creating images of you and your sister, and your father and other people, and in that, she is interacting with those images. And when any of you talk to her… Let me express to you: This is not your imagination, and it's not silly or ridiculous to talk to her. It's not that she hears you in the manner that she would if you were talking to her in physical focus, but when you talk to her, you're projecting an energy in her direction. And what she does then – because she doesn't remember her death yet, therefore she's not aware of what the mechanics are and what she's actually doing – but what she does is she will automatically translate that energy into a direction and an expression in association with the image of you that she has created.

Let me give you a very simple hypothetical example. Let us say that you are talking to her in whatever manner you choose, and in her reality, in the imagery that she's creating now, let us say that she is in her kitchen and you are sitting at the breakfast table. Her image of you is sitting at the breakfast table, and you're talking to her and therefore she translates. She does receive that energy, and she translates it into you asking her for a particular breakfast, and she will then smile and express, “Yes, I can make that breakfast for you.” She's interacting with the imagery of you in what she's creating, because she hasn't remembered her death yet. But in that, your energy is coming through.

Now let us say you're talking to her, and let us say in another place – and you're not aware of this objectively – but then your sister begins talking to her, and then the image of your sister will appear at the breakfast table, and she'll move her attention to that. And then she'll ask her what would she like for breakfast, and she'll wait until there's an energy response. Obviously you're not telling her what you want for breakfast; you're simply talking to her, and in that, she will translate it into then your sister is telling her what she wants for breakfast.

This is a very simple hypothetical example of how the energy translates and how she moves in a direction of receiving the energy from any of you and then what she does with it. Therefore, what I'm saying is she does receive it.

JOHN: Yeah. That makes sense to me.

ELIAS: In that also, before she remembers her death, when she's interacting with you in what reality she's creating or the imagery that she's creating, she's also projecting an energy into your physical reality. You, then, do something similar to what she's doing, meaning that it's then up to you to focus that energy in a particular direction to be able to interact with it.

Animals and plants are the easiest manner to do that. Animals are easy because they see and feel the energy of the individual that has died. They can actually see them, and in that, they will watch them, they will be at times vocal in relation to them – a cat will meow, a dog will bark or whine – and in that, they seem to be reacting to air, that there's nothing there but they are actually reacting to something there; it's simply that you can't see it. And in that, it's very easy to interact then with that energy, because the animal acts as a conduit and in-between, translating the energy for both of you. A plant can do the same thing.

JOHN: All right. Well, I was going to ask the same question in relation to my dad in terms of any suggestions. I have some other related questions related to my dad, but I guess I'd just be curious for the same question at this point. Any suggestions for him?

ELIAS: For him, I would say pay attention to what he feels around him or what he feels on his skin, that in her imagery that she's creating at this point, she touches him a lot. Therefore, if he's actually paying attention in the correct direction – meaning if he's paying attention to the air around him or the energy around him, or if he's not familiar with the concept of energy, if he's simply paying attention to what he feels on his skin at times – that he might feel a touch or he might feel an itch, or he might feel a slight pressure. And in that, that is a manner in which he can connect with her.

I would say that he can also invite that and talk to her also. People don't understand that actually it is that simple: If they simply talk the person, or the thing – it could be an animal that has died – that that energy does reach them. For if he talks to her and then pays attention to his skin, then he may be aware of her presence.

JOHN: Yeah. Okay.

All right, so related to that, I guess I had a question about the best way that you would recommend for me to support him in this time. What I would say so far as I have noticed is that it's been significantly easier for me to connect with him and be open to him since my mom has passed, and I was having a lot of difficulty for the last few years since I moved here to connect to him and be open with him. For a variety of reasons it was just very difficult, and I've noticed so far that it's been noticeably easier for me and that I've been able to be more present and more open and more compassionate and patient, and... It's just felt easier, essentially, and I have made more of an effort to spend time with him in ways that I've been resistant to. His lifestyle has been very much sedentary at home. He watches a lot of TV and movies and “news,” quote-unquote, so I suggested – and we started this before my mom passed, but we had just kind of started when all that happened, but we'd been watching a TV show together that I really wanted to watch again. It's an old show from the ‘90s, and it's just been a very simple, easy way to connect with him and spend time with him, because I know ultimately that's really what he cares about, is just having time to be together.

So we've been doing that more frequently, and in addition he started going to the gym pretty much every day since my mom passed, which has been great and I’d wanted that for him for a long time but he just didn't have the capacity, the time, the motivation before. Now he doesn't have my mom to focus on, so he's seemingly really excited to try to regain some of his strength and health and fitness. And I think that's awesome and I'm very much encouraging of that, so I've been going to the gym with him periodically and kind of wrote him a little program and taught him how to use some of the machines. It's very much in line with my direction of my training business, and that's just been really, really cool to participate in. So that's kind of the approach I've been taking, which has felt really good, but I was just curious if you had any other suggestions in terms of the best way that I can support him or encourage him in this time.

ELIAS: I would say that that is excellent, what you ARE doing, and… I would express that perhaps in addition to that, moving in a direction of sharing with him what interests you other than fitness.

JOHN: Yeah.

ELIAS: Because you're not interested in what is habit for him. Therefore, I would say move in a different direction, introduce something else, perhaps something else that the two of you can do together. Does he like puzzles?

JOHN: Not that I'm aware of, no. I mean, one other kind of hobby I guess you could say that we share a passion for is photography, but he hasn't been able to really... You know, he was the photographer when I was growing up in terms of our family and he was always really into photography, and I think that's kind of what sparked my own interest as I got older, and nowadays I do all the kind of family photography and all of that but he does a little bit with his own camera. But I have thought about that as a potential option of us just spending more time outside together doing photography or, you know, taking pictures of things or… The main issue with that –

ELIAS: That is excellent!

JOHN: Yeah, I mean the main issue with that has been more with my mom and having time to do that when he's so focused on my mom, which is not an issue anymore, and also just again, his coming back to his own health and his own fitness. It's very hard for him. He can't necessarily go on a big hike somewhere to take pictures – not that it has to be that, but it's just been more complicated. But I think now, with my mom not being a factor and him having more time and availability, and also hopefully in this direction he's moving now of getting back into shape and hopefully addressing more of his health issues and limitations... I mean, that's definitely something I would be interested in, because I would enjoy being outside more and taking pictures and focusing on that, and I think that he would probably very much enjoy that.

ELIAS: I would agree, and I would say that you don't have to move in a direction of hiking. Choose a place that you can perhaps drive to that offers many different elements that you COULD take pictures of.

JOHN: Yeah.

ELIAS: That doesn't require a lot of walking and that doesn't require hiking.

JOHN: Yeah. I'm sure there's plenty of options if I was to investigate. I mean, there's botanical gardens and nature preserves and all kinds of places you can kind of just show up and hang out and probably take all kinds of pictures.

ELIAS: Precisely! That would be tremendous. That would be an avenue in which the two of you can be connecting and sharing, and he can be engaging something that he enjoys and you enjoy – and, if he is so inclined, he can be talking to your mother while he's doing it.

JOHN: Mm, yeah. Okay.

One other question related to that that I kind of had forgotten but we were talking about it earlier, kind of surprisingly I went over to his house. We had planned to watch the show that I mentioned. This was a few weeks ago now, but kind of spontaneously he surprised me and opened up a little more about how he's been feeling about my mom, and he basically mentioned that since she passed he had been really hoping that she would kind of like visit him in a dream, you know. And he had been waiting and waiting, and I think he said it was like, I don't know, 21 days or something after she passed that he finally had this kind of lucid dream where she did show up, and she looked younger and was smiling and very happy and he was like super happy to see her. And he said it just, like, gave him such relief, and... Yeah. It was just a very powerful experience of connecting with her in this dream, and it was very... relieving for him to see her. So I guess I was just curious again. I mean, was that him connecting with her energy? Was that just his own imagery, or was that some type of actual connection with her?

ELIAS: Yes. And if he becomes more attuned to her energy, he can generate more of that interaction. Dreams are another avenue that is very easy to be connecting with someone who has died.

JOHN: Yeah. Okay. Well, yeah, I was… (laughs) I was kind of surprised that he just kind of offered that information and was sharing that, so I was curious.

We could talk more and more about that the whole time, but those are my questions for now. I'm sure this will be an ongoing conversation, and if they have other specific questions I may ask them in the future. But I... (Pause) Actually, now that I say this, I don't remember if this happened after our last conversation. I don't think we talked about it, but I also had a dream connecting with her. Oh no, we did, because it was the night before our last conversation. (Chuckles)

Anyway, I have some other questions on a different topic. One of the things you mentioned in our last conversation when we were talking about my business and how that was progressing, you had essentially said that my lack of movement related to that at this point is not really fear or procrastination. That's kind of how I was interpreting it, and you said that that was actually not the case. I didn't really have time to go more into that, but I guess I'm just curious: What would you say it is? If it hasn't been fear or procrastination, then what is it?

ELIAS: Distraction, for one – that you've had a significant amount of things happening in your life that have been taking priority with your attention. And I would also say that this also has been a time that you've been, in a manner of speaking, creating more of a foundation. You're connecting with people around you in a different manner; and in that, you're paying attention to them and watching and observing them, and looking at them more from a perspective of them than you – not only looking at them through the lens of what's important to you, but also looking at them through the lens of what is important to them. And that is creating more of a foundation for you in relation to your business, because it's important that you aren't simply instructing people but that you see them. And that you can be offering your instruction in relation to what you know and in relation to your business, but also from the perspective of taking into consideration the person who you're interacting with and what's important to them, and therefore gearing what you're doing and how you're teaching them based on THEM and what is significant to them.

JOHN: Hm. Interesting.

ELIAS: Therefore I would say that it definitely has not been a situation of procrastinating. I understand that it might seem to be that, because that's what you're accustomed to, but it’s different. This isn't an avoidance; you're actually learning.

JOHN: Hm. Yeah, it's interesting to hear you articulate that, because that definitely resonates with how I've been feeling, and I think to some degree I’ve been having a hard time putting it into words myself. I mean, there's a lot of things that have felt different since I've come back, and I don't know the easiest way to describe it. I guess it's what we've talked about in terms of falling away. A lot of things just kind of feel different in a way that's hard for me to articulate, but the way you describe that felt very accurate. I do feel like I'm engaging with people – in particular my family, my friends, the gym. I do feel like there's some way that I've been engaging people and kind of everything differently. So thank you for that. That's actually really helpful to hear.

ELIAS: Very well.

JOHN: One development since our last conversation related to this is, like we talked about initially with this whole idea of the business, I had this idea of the demographic that I wanted to focus on. That still feels true to a degree, but like we talked about, I guess I just had kind of written off the whole climbing world and working with people who are kind of already fit or already in good shape, and I had just kind of written that off and reached a point when I came back that that just kind of seemed silly. I mean, I already know so many people through the gym and I already love climbing, and it's such a big part of my life that it seems kind of ridiculous to completely not be open to that and not be open to working with climbers, and I've had many people approach me and want to work with me.

Anyway, I've been kind of thinking about how I would approach that with the climbing gym because I just wasn't sure how that could all work and I wanted to have a conversation with them, and spontaneously – (laughs) no coincidence – one day I went in to train a friend, a woman that works at the gym who's dating a friend of mine. She and I have kind of become acquaintances, getting to know each other. She knows that I've been training people at the gym. She basically approached me that day and said, “Hey, what do you think about working at the gym? Like working for the gym, and we can kind of figure out some type of structure where we get some type of percentage but we have an actual certified personal trainer that we can offer to the community.” Because they have coaches, so to speak, that help work with certain climbers and you can have one-on-one instruction, but they don't have the credentials of being a certified personal trainer and it's much more kind of like climbing coaching-specific, which is different than what I would do.

So yeah, she just kind of like threw that in my lap that day and I was like, “Well, this is interesting,” because obviously I'd been thinking more and more of moving in that direction and now here's this opportunity just handed to me. So we've had a few talks, and so far everything seems pretty much like it's a done deal. We just need to finalize, you know, going through the motions, having a proper interview, so to speak, and onboarding me and all of that, but essentially she's on board and I'm on board. It's going to be like a 90/10 split in my favor in terms of the finances, so it's really not something they're doing to make a bunch of profit. Just 10% of the money will go to the gym and 90% will go to me, and they'll do a bunch of marketing for me in terms of posting me on the website and on their social media.

This great opportunity just manifested, and I'm kind of still blown away. I've been cautiously optimistic at first, but the more we've talked and the more time has passed I feel very clear that this is a direction, as a start, that would be a no-brainer to move forward and embrace. Even if I do it for a while and it turns out it doesn't work, it's still moving in the direction that I want to move, and it's creating momentum and relationships and money, so I'm very excited about that.

ELIAS: Congratulations!

JOHN: (Laughs) Thank you.

ELIAS: I would say that is tremendous, my friend. And you're correct: There are no accidents. (Laughs) And that also would move quite nicely in the direction that I was expressing to you, that you haven't been procrastinating or ignoring, that you've been learning. And in that, here's one of your payoffs.

JOHN: Yeah. And one of the ways that this in particular kind of excites me is that since I've moved back to North Carolina I have been doing a ton of continuing education in the training world, but much more specific to climbing. Partially that's for my own climbing training, but it was also with the intention or the idea in the back of my mind that well, if I'm going to be working with climbers in any capacity, I want to know everything that I can about it – and I do know a lot already, because I've been doing it for over a decade. There are some specific things related to climbing beyond just general personal training and exercise science that are helpful to know. So essentially the last five or six months I've just been diving super deep into that world and learning everything I can, and I've been taking classes from this individual who I really connect with. I really like his perspective, and he's just kind of a wizard when it comes to anatomy and physiology and climbing-specific things and rehab.

So anyway, everything has kind of moved me in that direction, and one of the things that I'm excited about from a business perspective is essentially doing more hands-off kind of training. What I mean is there's kind of the in-person one-on-one: “I'm teaching you how to lift weights. I'm guiding you through the process.” It's kind of an hour-ish long session where I'm there working with people and telling them what to do and teaching them, etc. That's very straightforward and makes sense, but it's also in some ways limiting because then my time is dedicated to those people in those time slots and I'm kind of like only getting paid when I'm there working with people – which is something that I want to do, but this climbing-specific training definitely opens up more of a door of having more kind of passive income in terms of I can do an assessment with somebody, test all of their metrics, their finger strength, etc., and basically come up with, say, a monthlong plan for them that they can just go to the gym and do whenever, and I'm not tied to being there with them guiding them, directing them. It's just, “Here is your plan for the week, we can be in touch about tweaks we need to make, we can check in periodically,” but essentially they're on their own to just do what I tell them to do, and I'm very excited about that possibility as well, moving forward with the business.

It’s kind of what I had thought about in terms of even just more regular lifting and fitness, things that are non-climbing-specific, getting to a point with people where... You know, at some point people know how to do the movements and they know how to do things, and not everybody needs somebody directly with them in the moment telling them what to do. And it could be that once I’ve worked with someone for X amount of time they reach a point where they just want to kind of do it on their own, but they still want someone to be accountable to and they want someone kind of writing the program itself but then they can do it on their own. That's another way where I can come up with some monthly fee and kind of have a more subscription basis to essentially just give me more time and freedom to do other things with my own time and go on my own trips and travel and do whatever.

So essentially, all of that to say I'm just very excited about the directions that this opens up and the opportunities that are manifesting right now. And… yeah, I feel very positive and like, even though at times it has felt like I've been procrastinating or unsure, it just feels more and more like I HAVE been learning and I HAVE been investing time and I have been… Things have been in motion whether I'm consciously aware of them or not, and it's all kind of starting right now and I feel very excited about that.

ELIAS: I would say congratulations, my friend, and what you're expressing about how you want to go about engaging individuals with the business is excellent, because also it's very important that people are not only learning specific movements and specific techniques or certain programs, so to speak, but that they are also learning to be self-sufficient and that they are learning how to be independent and self-reliant; and in that, that you're not moving in a direction of hand-holding continuously. You don't want your clients to be dependent on you; you want them to be self-reliant and therefore able to move in directions of generating climbing activities and trips themselves and not being afraid that they won't be able to do it.

JOHN: Yeah. I mean, I've always kind of seen it as… I know that some people really want that kind of… you know, they want to show up somewhere and they want to just be told what to do because that's what's most comfortable for them and works in terms of just helping them be consistent. That's what they need, but not everybody's that way, and my vision has always been to work with people for some amount of time, get them to a point where there's not really that much else to teach them, so to speak; it's more just they might not necessarily want to... Essentially just what I said, like they just want someone to be accountable to and to maybe do the actual programming for them, but they don't necessarily need someone in the gym telling them what to do. They just need kind of a coach, so to speak, or an accountability buddy, and moving people to that point in terms of...

Yeah, I don't want people coming to me for years and years on end just to be in the gym with me because they don't know what to do or they feel like they need somebody to hold their hand. I want to help people get to a point where they are self-sufficient and they do know what to do and they are kind of self-motivated, and kind of help them get to that point and then set them free, you know, and then work with new people and kind of start that process over with new people and new relationships.

So especially with the climbing stuff, it feels like it just opens up a whole world of possibility with that. I listen to a lot of podcasts, and there's a ton of people that do this for a living, especially these days since the post-COVID world where there's so much remote kind of online tutoring, instructions, training, coaching, whatever you want to call it, where you can do most things over the internet these days and just check in periodically and kind of help people along the path but you're not necessarily in the gym with them all the time. And I think there's a lot to be said too for mindset and kind of the mental-emotional aspect that can get lost in terms of training, because it's not just “go to the gym and lift weights or go do your cardio.” There's so much that plays into people's internal world in their mind frame, and I'm super interested in exploring that more and learning more and having that be a part of my offering in terms of the business.

ELIAS: Excellent.

JOHN: Essentially, I'm just really excited that there are opportunities here, and I'm just kind of sharing at this point. I don't really have questions, necessarily even, but…

ELIAS: I would say that is tremendous, my friend, and it is an excellent beginning.

JOHN: Yeah.

ELIAS: It's an excellent start point for you, and in that, it benefits the gym because in that then they have something that they can advertise for themselves that they have this, that they have you, and that is an excellent payoff for them, but it's an excellent start point for you, and in that, it makes things easier for you in relation to acquiring clients.

JOHN: Yeah. Well, obviously I'm trusting my intuition the more that I have thought about it and had conversations with them. I feel like I'm pretty committed to exploring this more and moving forward and just seeing how it plays out, but I feel pretty confident that it's going to be a very positive and helpful direction no matter what happens. If there is anything else that you would say about it or suggestions or just anything else, I'd be open to hearing it, but that's kind of where I'm at with it.

ELIAS: What I would say to you is, remember to keep yourself in that number one position and strong in it; and in that, allow yourself to be the individual that your beginner clients lean on for a time, but keep your eye on you and move in a direction in which then you know when to... let them loose, because there will be people that will attempt to hold onto you. They will attempt to hold onto you as if you are a buoy in the ocean; and in that, there are many different manners in which people will cling onto you. It isn't always as obvious as you think. Sometimes they cling onto you by complimenting you and flattering you a lot. And that's a tactic, in a manner of speaking, to keep you paying attention to them.


ELIAS: There are many different manners in which individuals can manipulate to keep your attention on them, and that's the reason it's very important for you to be keeping your attention on you, and then you will be aware.

JOHN: Okay. I hear you.

ELIAS: I would say that that is a very important component, my friend. But as long as you keep focusing on you, you will likely be very successful.

JOHN: All right. Well, we only have a few minutes and I had a couple of other things on my list. One thing that I've been noticing a lot lately – I’m not even totally sure when this started, but I've definitely noticed it maybe even more since my mom passed – but kind of over the last few months, I guess… I've experienced this at different times in my life so it's not a new experience, but there's a massive change in its frequency, I guess. It's an interesting experience. I've always had a very vivid dream life. I've always, since I was young, kind of remembered my dreams and a lot of activity there. There were times in my life where I would have a memory of a dream that I had had years prior, which is a very surreal kind of experience because dreams oftentimes feel so amorphous and ethereal that it's kind of like having a memory of an experience but it's not an objective waking state experience, it's a dream experience. It's just always been kind of a fascinating thing to me, but lately I've been having that much more frequently – not necessarily every day but maybe once a week or something – but it just feels like my dream world, and specifically not just like I'm remembering a dream from last night or a week ago; it's more like I'm remembering dreams from like ten years ago or five years ago or 20 years ago, like places that have been more like recurring dreams that I've had in my past or whatever.

My question, I guess, is not so much about the individual experiences or the memories, because there are so many of them, but I guess I'm just curious about why that seems to be increasing lately, if that's something that will continue to be more prevalent. I guess I'm just curious: What is that about?

ELIAS: It likely will for a time. That for you – for some people, but I would say specifically for you – is also one of those indicators of you expanding. That as you continue to expand, you are generating more self-awareness, and in moving in a direction of more self-awareness, it’s displaying itself in relation to memory.

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And remember: Dreams are the objective translation of subjective activity, and therefore they ARE, in a manner of speaking, memories. And in that, what you're doing is you are becoming, or allowing yourself to become, more aware of all of the facets of yourself, including those memories, your dream memories. Not everyone does that. I would say that that is an interesting display of expansion of your objective awareness in relation to everything, in relation to being objectively aware of what you are subjectively doing also.

JOHN: Yeah. (Laughs) I had some kind of sense like that, but I couldn't quite articulate it. You articulated it much better than I was attempting to. (Elias laughs)

That feels very accurate in a way. I mean, it just kind of feels like... I had another thing written down that at some point I’d be curious to talk a little more about. I was listening to a session you had with somebody recently – I don't even remember who it was or whatever – but you were talking about the concept of ownership and how that relates to our identities and feeling threatened and things like that. You used the example of other focuses, like so-and-so is this other focus and they can only be that focus and other people can't be that focus. I remember when you said that, I was thinking to myself about that and kind of reflecting on that for myself, and I feel like I don't really feel that for myself at this point. I don't feel that same type of... I don't know that I really ever did, but I guess it just feels very strong right now that I don't feel this sense of ownership. You know, when we talk about other focuses that I have or whatever, to me it just feels more like okay, there's more of a direct connection. It's not that I own that focus per se; I don't frame it like that, and I don't feel threatened if... What am I trying to say?

Ultimately I guess I feel less threatened in general in terms of my identity than I think I ever have, and not just objectively as a person in this life kind of feeling more comfortable with myself, etc. I mean, that's very true, but even in this kind of deeper sense, (laughs) in the Elias sense, so to speak, in terms of other focuses and other aspects of myself and probable selves and dream experiences and projections, all these things just feel like they're kind of rising to the surface more and becoming more a part of my normal everyday life, and I'm not threatened by that at all, it feels like. And I have experiences at times like losing my mom, my mom dying, and how comfortable I feel with that and how comfortable I felt with connecting with her and the types of experiences I had. All of these different aspects of reality don't really feel threatening right now, and they feel like they're becoming more and more objectively present in my day-to-day life, and it just feels interesting and comfortable and not threatening. I guess I'm just kind of noticing that and reflecting on that, and this dream piece kind of feels related to that. Does that make sense?

ELIAS: Most definitely! Absolutely, because that IS all a part of how you are expanding and becoming more self-aware, and in that, being more aware of ALL of the aspects of you, and in doing so, then also being more comfortable with reality, with which reality you are engaging, and at this present time you're engaging this particular physical reality. And in that, you're becoming more comfortable with how that is expressed, and that direction, and moving in the expression of it more easily – and death is part OF your reality, and simply being more comfortable with all facets of your reality, because you are expanding your awareness of you and all the facets of you. That allows you to be more comfortable in general; and in that, you're not bothered by certain things that would be or are bothersome to other individuals, and in fact, beyond not being bothered, that you are inclined to move in a direction of wanting to be supportive or helpful to other individuals in relation to their awareness and whatever it may be at the time.

JOHN: Yeah. Yeah.

Well, more next time. (Both laugh) Ah, there's definitely more to explore. (Elias laughs) Thank you for all that. That was all very, very helpful, as usual.

ELIAS: You are very welcome, my friend, and I shall greatly be anticipating our next meeting. And I express to you congratulations and tremendous acknowledgment for what you have been accomplishing, rather than not accomplishing (laughs).

JOHN: Thank you.

ELIAS: You are very welcome. In tremendous friendship and dear love to you, until our next meeting, au revoir.

JOHN: ‘Bye for now.

(Elias departs after 1 hour 6 minutes)

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