Session 202306221

Long Covid and Autoimmune Issues


“Long Covid and Autoimmune Issues”
“More Guidance on the Inner Landscape”
“How a Virus Functions”
“An Arsenal of Foods, Supplements, Vitamins and Sleep”

Thursday, June 22, 2023

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Naomi (Kallile)

ELIAS: Good day!

NAOMI: Good day, Elias!

ELIAS: (Laughs) And what shall we discuss?

NAOMI: Well, I need your help with something physical that’s been going on like for the last eight months, and I’m trying to put the pieces of the puzzle together. I’m investigating some things with traditional Western doctors, but I also wanted to see what you had to say about it, any suggestions you might have.

ELIAS: And what have you been engaging with?

NAOMI: For about the last eight months I’ve had these recurring symptoms, and they’re starting to happen more often. It’s what I call “fatigue bombs” that’ll just hit me all of a sudden with extreme tiredness and a little bit of nausea, and then I’m knocked out for a couple days and then I’m back. I’m starting to investigate with the regular doctors, and I have a few impressions about what might be going on, but anything you can help with I’d appreciate.

ELIAS: And what are your impressions, and what do your physicians say?

NAOMI: My impressions are, looking at everything, I think I have long covid. I think I might have had – and this is strictly from an objective viewpoint. I’m going to try to go subjectively too, but objectively, all the symptoms point to long covid. Which, I don’t know that I actually had covid; I didn’t ever test positive for it and I was vaccinated, but all the symptoms point to that.

ELIAS: Let me first express to you that even if you were vaccinated, that doesn’t mean that you couldn’t have the virus.

NAOMI: Right. Yeah, I knew that.

ELIAS: And the vaccine did not actually vaccinate against the virus.

NAOMI: Right.

So along with that impression… Well, let’s just start with that. I’ve had some hearing loss also, which the audiologist said could be attributed to a virus. That came on suddenly, and I don’t know if it’s connected. So just on that aspect of it, do you think that’s what you would put the name to it for the condition, long covid?

ELIAS: I would agree.

NAOMI: Okay. Yeah. Everything points to it, really.

One of the medical tests is showing possible autoimmune disease, which is where your body attacks itself. In getting into that subjectively, –

ELIAS: That can actually also occur in relation to this condition.

NAOMI: Ahh. Okay. Wow.

The only other big thing I’ve been considering is hair dye, because we have talked about that in the past, that long-term use can suppress the immune system. Is that a contributing factor for me?

ELIAS: (Pause) It exacerbates the situation; it isn’t causing it.

NAOMI: Right. Okay. ‘Cause I was feeling so down last week with it – after the eighth time – that I said, “I’ll do whatever it takes. I’ll quit dyeing my hair if that would help!” (Both laugh)

ELIAS: I would say that it does exacerbate the situation, so it is something to consider.

NAOMI: Okay. We might as well start there with the subjective stuff, because going deeper into that, is it about non-acceptance of myself, especially not accepting my appearance?

ELIAS: What all are you considering and have you been looking at in relation to this situation, and what you are expressing to yourself and what you’re bringing to your attention?

NAOMI: Well, it occurred to me that this might be a classic example of repeated efforts to get my attention.

ELIAS: I would agree.

NAOMI: (Laughs) We’ve talked about this in the past, and I think one component – or two, actually, might be how I deal with stress and also continuing to hold energy.

ELIAS: Agreed.

NAOMI: Okay.

ELIAS: And therefore what are your assessments about what to do with that?

NAOMI: I have not been creating, and we’ve talked about the fact that I can’t not create or do something artistic or musical, and I haven’t been doing that, so the first thing is to just go ahead and do it and to restart that.

ELIAS: I most definitely would agree.

NAOMI: Yeah, in whatever form I choose to create or express as far as that goes, I think I absolutely have to have that.

ELIAS: Yes. That I would definitely agree with.

NAOMI: And then also, I’m going back to meditating, which I’ve just restarted.

ELIAS: Congratulations! Excellent.

NAOMI: I know that’ll really help.

The other thing is the inner landscape, which I’ve been having a little trouble with the visualizing part of it, so I’m still practicing with that.

ELIAS: And what are you having trouble with in visualizing?

NAOMI: Right at the beginning – it hasn’t been real clear to me from the other sessions, like when we sit down to do this, are we supposed to like try to go within our body?


NAOMI: Okay.

ELIAS: No. No. That is the significance of the inner landscape, is that it’s so easy, that you don’t have to know anything about the inner workings of the body. All you have to do is create a landscape – any kind of landscape that you choose. And all you’re doing, objectively, is creating a still picture; therefore, a photograph. And also remember that if you’re not a visual person, it doesn’t have to be an actual picture; it could be an impression of a picture or a feeling of a picture, because not everyone actually visualizes in pictures.

NAOMI: Yeah. I was reading up on that, but there were two components here. One was do I try to visualize myself inside my body but not part of it?


NAOMI: Okay. The other one is, I’m having trouble separating it from a meditation. It’s so easy to slip into that mode.

ELIAS: This is different, because what you’re doing is you’re creating the photograph, and then you’re simply watching it, because then it will turn into a moving picture.

NAOMI: Yeah, I’ve been trying that. (Laughs)

ELIAS: And in that, you might have to sit and wait for a few minutes before it starts moving. And in that, it doesn’t have to be dramatic initially; it might simply be one or two different facets of the picture that begin to move.

NAOMI: Okay.

ELIAS: But in that, let’s say you create a landscape of a beach scene. You’ve got a photograph of the ocean, and what might begin in that movie is simply that the water might begin to move.

NAOMI: Okay.

ELIAS: It’s simply a matter of waiting and watching and continuing to watch – and also, you can watch for a particular amount of time. You can set an amount of time if you choose; and in that, if nothing else happens other than the water begins to move, then you can stop the visualization and you can engage another one at a different time.

NAOMI: Okay.

ELIAS: And it’s not necessarily a matter of going back to that visualization, but change it.

NAOMI: Yeah, just try another one.

ELIAS: Yes. And in that, it’s not something that is supposed to be difficult, and if you’re not producing anything more than a slight movement, then simply stop and engage it at a different time and choose a different landscape.

NAOMI: Okay. That works.

ELIAS: Eventually you will find one that begins to develop into a movie that will hold your attention and that you can watch.

NAOMI: Okay, thanks for that.

Going back to objective things I can do, is there any nutrient that I’m not getting enough of or getting too much of?

ELIAS: Such as?

NAOMI: Well, all my regular labs have come out okay, including iron, which in the past you had suggested a low dose of iron, which I haven’t been doing because my tests have been okay – but medical tests don’t tell you everything. Is there like a B vitamin deficiency, which provides energy, or something like that that I could use more of? Or is it more just dealing with the other issues?

ELIAS: (Pause) I would say that you could be taking a complex vitamin and zinc.

NAOMI: Okay.

ELIAS: [Inaudible] And that will help to be addressing to the physical aspects of what you’re engaging. And I would say that when you are beginning to generate fatigue, what’s happening is it’s attempting to right itself. It’s attempting to move in a direction of healing, therefore something is misfunctioning and the body is naturally moving in a direction of attempting to right itself. That is the reason that you feel fatigued, because the body generates its greatest capacity of healing when you sleep.

NAOMI: Yeah.

ELIAS: It grows when you sleep, and it heals when you sleep. Therefore, the reason for that is that it is directing all of its concentration of energy in relation to healing, and it isn’t distracted by all of the other activities that you objectively would be engaging, and therefore then taking that energy and using it instead of allowing it to be used for healing. Are you understanding?


ELIAS: Very well. For it’s a very natural expression for the body to engage feeling very fatigued. That’s its signal to you to stop.

NAOMI: So in approaching it both the physical and emotional or subjective, what would be the physical components that it’s trying to heal? Or is so interrelated you just can’t separate it?

ELIAS: (Pause) It’s battling a virus.

NAOMI: Okay.

ELIAS: And it’s doing so and also battling the components of blood that are battling you.

NAOMI: Ah, the autoimmune thing.

ELIAS: Correct. Therefore, what your body is doing is it’s creating this signal of being fatigued and therefore shutting down to move in the direction of these battles which run throughout your body. It’s not the same as if you had some manifestation that was localized in a particular area in which the body would also generate that signal of fatigue, but it likely wouldn’t be so tremendously overwhelming.

NAOMI: Right. Oh yeah, this has been overwhelming, so it’s pretty strong.

ELIAS: Yes. If it’s something that is localized, what likely will happen, depending on how severe it is, is that the body will be fatigued on and off, and it will generate perhaps an intensity of fatigue for some hours and then it will let up, and then it will move in that direction again and then it will let up. And in that, the amount of time that it will be generating the fatigue will be determined by the intensity of the physical manifestation.

Therefore, if you have a bacterial infection, let’s say in your foot, you might be fatigued for two or three hours during the day, you might be prompted to take a nap, and your body will be battling that and it will likely be successful within one or two days. If you have PNEUMONIA, the body is going to prompt you in being fatigued in which you might want to sleep for six or seven hours, and you might be prompted to do that over a course of many days, or even up to a couple of weeks. But – if you have an ongoing situation with a virus, this is actually an organism that is attempting to establish itself in the body. And in that, it’s similar – not the same, but it is similar – to a parasite. It’s attempting to establish itself in the body. The body is the host, and it’s attempting to establish itself but it’s attempting to, in a manner of speaking, take over the host.

A parasite doesn’t necessarily want to take over and completely overwhelm the host; it wants to co-exist with the host. A virus doesn’t necessarily want to co-exist. It wants to move in a direction of consuming the host, and in that, it will keep doing that until the host dies and it will die with it. Or, it will move on to another host, if there’s another host close enough in physical proximity.

NAOMI: Right. Well, I’d like to get this one to move on! (Both laugh)

ELIAS: That’s the reason that with this type of situation, it’s a matter of you want to actually kill the organism.

NAOMI: Yeah.

ELIAS: Because it will simply continue to engage until it dies.

Now in that, I would say, do you tolerate vitamin C?


ELIAS: Very well. I would suggest you can also be incorporating large amounts of vitamin C, which are somewhat acidic and caustic to viruses.

NAOMI: Okay, yeah. I had that belief for a while, but then after a while I wasn’t sure whether I should believe that or not. But it’s interesting because I’ve had cravings for acidic fruits for the last couple months.


NAOMI: Yeah, I was kind of leaning toward C also.

ELIAS: That would be your body giving you information.

NAOMI: Yeah. I’m trying to be aware of what it’s telling me.

ELIAS: Good!

NAOMI: Just go with the flow and eat what I want to eat at the time and don’t worry about…

ELIAS: Correct. Correct. I would definitely be encouraging you in that direction, yes.

NAOMI: Okay.

ELIAS: That your body is prompting you in certain directions to aid you in the process.

Your body does know what is affecting it and what will affect that.

NAOMI: Okay. Do you have any suggestions on how to regenerate the auditory nerves or stimulate the hearing again? Because that came on along with this, and I believe it’s part of it.

ELIAS: That I would definitely encourage you in relation to your meditation, and in that, set the intention for regeneration.

NAOMI: Okay.

ELIAS: And what I would say to you, my friend, is concentrate on the whole, not on parts.


ELIAS: That will be much more effective.

NAOMI: I was actually thinking along that line, that if I can get the rest of this cleared up that that would come along with it because it was part of it.

ELIAS: Correct.

NAOMI: Okay.

ELIAS: For that is a significant part of the reason that I would be very encouraging to you in relation to the whole, not the parts.


ELIAS: Because the more you move in the direction of the whole, the more successful you will be.

NAOMI: I totally believe that, and “the whole” meaning emotional and subjective as well as physical.

ELIAS: Correct. And don’t be discouraged if it doesn’t generate what you think of as a cure immediately, but know that your body is moving in the direction of healing, and therefore allow yourself to move with it. Pay attention to all of your promptings and move with it.

NAOMI: I thought it might take a while, and truthfully I know you can’t tell me whether to go or not to go, but part of the reason I decided to really start investigating this with you and the doctors is that, you know, I have places to go and things to do! I have a couple of trips planned in July that I’m not even sure whether I should take because I don’t know if this will hit me during that time.

ELIAS: I would say, first of all don’t be afraid. Secondly, even if it does, I would say remember that you have your own arsenal also. You have the vitamins. I would be very much encouraging you to be incorporating probiotics, and in that, I would also express to you to be engaging in knowing that even if you are struck by a sudden fatigue that in your arsenal are foods, supplements, and vitamins, and they will help – and that you can engage sleep for a brief time framework and therefore be appeasing the body consciousness as well. But knowing that you don’t have to be afraid of being immobilized, because you do have an arsenal.

NAOMI: Yeah. Part of that was because one of the trips involves my son and I didn’t want to disappoint him. (Laughs)

You mentioned probiotics – and I heard the buzzer go off, but quickly, you mentioned probiotics but there are so many out there, and there’s so many that there are questions of whether they really work or not, and some of them supposedly do. Can you pinpoint more the type I should be doing?

ELIAS: What I would say is, do a quick research of recommended probiotics for female individuals, not simply in general.

NAOMI: Okay.

ELIAS: And in that, what I would say to you is, probiotics are not a miracle cure. (Chuckles) They’re not going to generate magical properties. What they do is they help to stabilize and promote your digestive system, which is important because that is your most sensitive system in your body and the easiest one to be out of balance, the easiest one to be affected in manners that will then be affecting the rest of your body.

NAOMI: Oh, Elias, I know that is so true for me. I mean, I know I’ve been out of balance digestively for as long as I can remember, actually, in this focus.

ELIAS: Now what I would say is, it’s very important to pay attention to your body and what it’s signaling to you, but it will help to be engaging probiotics and apple cider vinegar.

NAOMI: Okay.

ELIAS: With those two components, that will definitely be tremendously helpful. It’s not going to boost your energy tremendously, it’s not going to help you lose weight, it’s not going to move you in a balance of not being depressed – all of these claims of what probiotics are supposed to do, that’s ludicrous.

NAOMI: Mm-hm.

ELIAS: What they do is help to… They don’t do it entirely, but they help to balance your digestive system. They help to move in a direction of healthy bacteria in promoting that healthy bacteria. And in that, there are many foods that you eat that DESTROY that healthy bacteria in your digestive system, and therefore it’s a matter of replacing that with something else, and probiotics are excellent to help do that. Also apple cider vinegar; if you don’t incorporate consuming pickled foods, apple cider vinegar will be tremendously helpful.

NAOMI: Okay. Yeah, you know I’ve listened to people’s sessions about that. I’ve always believed that probiotics would help, but for me specifically I wasn’t sure what was the right approach.

Are there foods that I’m taking now that are pulling me out of balance that I should stay away from more?

ELIAS: (Pause) I would say for a time, until you are feeling and sensing yourself to be more healthy, I would suggest that you not be consuming many foods that are nightshades.

NAOMI: Ah, okay. I’ve been eating a lot of potatoes and tomatoes!

ELIAS: That, I would say, those are foods that are inflammatories, and what they also do is they also have a tendency to be altering that or eliminating that beneficial bacteria.

NAOMI: Mm-hm.

ELIAS: Now, what I would say is, it’s not that you cannot consume those foods; I would suggest that you stop temporarily.

NAOMI: Right. Yeah.

ELIAS: Until you sense yourself being somewhat more in balance. But once you move more in balance, as long as you are consuming the apple cider vinegar and you are incorporating the probiotics, you can be eating foods that are nightshades. And in that, I wouldn’t suggest that you are CONSTANTLY consuming them, therefore I wouldn’t suggest that you consume them on a daily basis, but that doesn’t mean that you can’t have them on a weekly basis.

NAOMI: Sure.

ELIAS: I know that these are foods that many people very much like, but they’re not always the most healthy.

NAOMI: Right. (Elias chuckles)

Well, Elias, we’ve gone way over, but I really, really appreciate all the information, and I will start looking at every one of these suggestions. I really appreciate your help.

ELIAS: Excellent! You are very welcome, my friend, and I shall be offering my energy to you in tremendous, tremendous support.

NAOMI: Thank you so much, Elias.

ELIAS: You are very welcome. In great love and affection and friendship, until our next meeting, au revoir.

NAOMI: Au revoir.

(Elias departs after 40 minutes)

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