Session 202305021

Creating and Experiencing Contentment


“Death of a Companion Animal”
“Expressions of Anger”
“Seeking Contentment”
“Revel in Being”
“Practicing Contentment Will Pay Off”

Tuesday, May 2, 2023 (Private/Phone)

Participants: Mary (Michael) and John (Arry)

ELIAS: Good morning!

JOHN: Good morning.

ELIAS: And what shall we discuss?

JOHN: Well, we’re going to start with more Diesel updates. So on Sunday, long story short,
Diesel passed away on Sunday. Kristen had to finally put him down. He had some internal bleeding and she took him in and it was time, so… Sunday we got to spend a lot of time with a couple close friends, just all processing that together, which was really nice. So I have a couple of questions I guess related to that, to start with. I might come up with some other ones, but I wrote a couple down for Kristen and myself that…

I guess the first one, the first one is Kristen was just curious about her connection to Diesel, which kind of could be a complex answer I guess, but she was just curious if she’s, I guess, had other focuses involved with him in other ways, or…? Yeah, she just wants to hear more about her connection to him.

ELIAS: Yes. I would say many, actually. And I would say that this energy is likely to be with her for some time before it reconfigures, if it reconfigures, and that would be her choice as to whether that happens or not. But yes, she has had many focuses with this energy being manifested, her energy. But in that, she has manifested that energy in many different capacities, different manifestations, not always dogs.

JOHN: Hm. Interesting. Yeah, this is something that we talked about briefly and I’ve heard other people talk about this more, and Lyla has shared some information related to this too. But I think the concept of the creatures being a projection of our own energy is… is an interesting concept to wrap my head around.

ELIAS: How so?

JOHN: Um… (Pause) I don’t know that I can even articulate it in this moment. (Chuckles) It just… I think sometimes in these conversations related to animals and pets and companions, I think sometimes people – and this has come up with me in conversations with other people as well – which is I know, I know this isn’t what, this isn’t the reality necessarily, but I think sometimes it can be interpreted as like they’re somehow maybe perceived as less than, or you know they’re just creations of us and somehow not quite their own independent personality and energy, and just understanding the difference between creatures and us as essence. Just sometimes—

ELIAS: I would say they very much ARE their own expressions, that once they are manifest they are not what you would term to be only a projection of you. That that’s not what they are. They are a part of your energy, but once they are manifest they are very much their own being.

JOHN: Yeah. So would you say the same for me then? I mean, have I experienced other focuses with him as well, in other manifestations?

ELIAS: Yes. Yes.

JOHN: Have the both of us, in shared focuses, Kristen and I in other shared focuses, shared connections with him?


JOHN: Hm. Yeah.

ELIAS: And I would say that in this, understand that because animals are so intimately connected with you, because they ARE a part of your energy, this is the reason that certain cultures revere them so much. Therefore I would say that the perception of being something less than is definitely part of the European perception and in that, it isn’t necessarily something that is shared by all cultures, that there are many cultures throughout your world that actually express quite a reverence towards animals in the recognition that you are interconnected and that they are a part of you. And in that, with some cultures, they even perceive animals to be the better parts of you.

JOHN: (Chuckles) Yeah, that’s understandable. (Elias chuckles) So… Hm. Well, one of the questions that I wrote down related to this is… So where…? Maybe this question doesn’t even… isn’t even relevant, in a way. But you’ve described the death process with humans and all the elements that come into that and the experience that humans have, and I guess my question is where is Diesel at now? And what is his energy doing? And… yeah.

ELIAS: That’s in one capacity a more complicated subject, and in another capacity a simpler subject. It’s a more complicated subject to understand in physical focus, but it’s a simpler subject because it’s not necessarily that that energy is doing anything. It isn’t necessarily what you would think of as absorbed back into your energy, or her energy. I would say that’s not what happens. But because it is a part of the individual’s energy, it does return to the individual and therefore it remains, in a manner of speaking, around the individual for a time. And during that time, that is a matter of what the individual will ultimately do with that energy.

Some individuals want to keep that energy around them for considerable time frameworks. Some may even continue to keep that energy around them and not pull it back into their own energy throughout their entire focus. Other, other times they move in directions of reconfiguring that energy and it may be reconfigured into another dog or it may be reconfigured into a different type of animal or it could be reconfigured into what you would term to be a wild animal. It might be a bird. It might be some other animal that is living in nature, and it might be living in nature in some area near the individual that it is a part of their energy.

But that doesn’t generally happen immediately. How an animal reconfigures generally happens after the human has had time to process their loss, their grief, and move in a different direction. And each individual does that in their own manner. And whether the individual reconfigures that energy or not, many individuals find comfort in acquiring another companion animal, but not everyone.

JOHN: Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean that’s… I think that is difficult for us to wrap our heads around, especially during this kind of grief time.

ELIAS: Now; I would say that all of you definitely require time to process and to grieve.

JOHN: Yeah. Well, one other thing we’re… I don’t know, what’s coming to me right now is I guess my perception is, having conversations with you about him over the last few months, I obviously feel very sad and I miss him and I miss his presence, but ultimately I think that I… I feel a lot of acceptance in seeing this kind of as his choice, and that he was ready to go, and that’s okay. So I guess that’s another piece that I think is hard for us to accept and understand, is that they’re creating their reality too and he had a great life and I feel like up until the end he was still very happy and content. And I don’t know, I keep coming back to this, the way that I’m framing it in my mind is I couldn’t imagine it happening a better way with just how things played out over the last few days, and there’s so many other ways that I know of animals disengaging and people losing their companions that are just kind of horrific, you know, and I… I just feel really grateful that she was able to be with him until the very end and he was not alone and he was happy. And all things considered, I just feel like happy and positive of how that all played out, and accepting that that was his choice.

ELIAS: And I would say that that can be very comforting also. And I would say that in relation to grieving and processing the death, it is important to allow yourselves to be sad and to cry, and to miss him and to wish that he was still with you. This is all, as you already know, very normal but what I would also say to you is what can be very, very cathartic is whenever you feel exceptionally sad and you allow yourself to cry, talk to him. Because that energy is near, and in that, you will be able to feel it if you talk to him.

JOHN: Yeah. (Pause) Well, I don’t… I don’t think there’s… I don’t think I have any other questions about this at this point. That’s all helpful and I will… I will share this with Kristen again. Yeah. I guess one other piece in this that I’m aware of and I’m thinking about is just… I don’t know, if you have again any other words of encouragement for Kristin in this next phase of her life? Yeah, I guess for me I kind of see it as she’s kind of entering a new phase in life too, and this is all a part of it. And yeah, if you had any words of encouragement or words of support to pass on?

ELIAS: I would agree. What I would also express is to remember the joy and comfort and companionship that she experienced with this creature, and not to be closed off to another creature because of grief. What I would say is, I would be very encouraging of her to continue to remember that your animal companions, granted they don’t incorporate the life expectancy that you do as humans, but during their time with you they give you a lifetime of companionship and affection and comfort. And what I would say in that is, some people become caught up, in a manner of speaking, in the loss and therefore they become afraid of allowing themselves to be open ever again because they’re afraid of the loss. And what I would say is, it’s not about thinking about another companion at this point. It’s simply a matter of continuing to remember the joy of having that companion and therefore eventually she might move in a direction of wanting another one, and to have that not be sullied by fear.

JOHN: Yeah. All right. Thank you.

ELIAS: You are very welcome.

JOHN: Well, interestingly there’s (chuckles) another… I had another question, kind of validation of someone else in my life, and she’s also going, she’s been going through a lot of loss over the last few months. Her husband died. And she’s actually a client of mine from our computer business back in Oregon and I was able to reconnect with her when I was in Oregon over the summer, and yeah. (Chuckles) So I guess just a couple questions and validations. She very much feels like a soulmate individual from the first time I met her and we had a very strong connection, so I would assume we are soulmates?


JOHN: Her name’s Liz.


JOHN: I also, when I talk to her about this, it interestingly came up when I was helping her with the computer issue, and she had had a session with a psychic person in Oregon related to her husband, and it brought up the conversation of your and my relationship and having these conversations over the years. And so I told her I was going to ask about her and I, to you. But while I was questioning that and writing things down, I had the name Deborah come to mind, and it was very clear and very precise in the moment. I’m not sure if that’s an essence name or another focus of hers that I’m connected to, but I was curious what the Deborah connection was?

ELIAS: Both.

JOHN: That’s her essence name?

ELIAS: Yes, and also a focus name.

JOHN: That I was connected to as well?


JOHN: Hm. Interesting. (Laughs) Hm. Yeah. I feel like I could go down that more and ask more questions, but… (Pause) Yeah. I think I’ll leave that at that for now, but that was an interesting connection.

(Sighs) Um… Actually, I am curious. So in that focus that I was connected to Deborah, I’m not having any particular impressions other than just feeling a strong connection, but what was my relationship to her in that focus?

ELIAS: Spouse.

JOHN: Hm. (Laughs) Interesting. Okay. I’ll share that with her and maybe I’ll have more questions for her in the future.

ELIAS: Very well.

JOHN: So I’m kind of bouncing all over the place. I don’t really have a big topic for today, but a thing I’ve been thinking a lot about, and I kind of just again wanted a validation, this is kind of how I’ve been seeing it. I feel like for a long time in my adult life, I’ve noticed – and maybe more so over the last five or ten years – I’m going to say this in kind of a messy way and maybe… I don’t know. Hopefully it makes sense. But essentially, I have a tendency to get really angry about what I call stupid things. (Laughs) And essentially it’s just little things, like pulling wires out of my backpack, pulling my headphones out of my backpack and wires get stuck together, or trying to physically move something or open something and it’s not quite cooperating and somehow things just, in these little physical ways, things just aren’t quite flowing. And I get really, really frustrated and I express that anger really, really intensely in the moment.

And I’ve been very curious about it, and I think ultimately my conclusion is that it’s easier for me to allow myself to feel and express anger in those little quote-unquote “stupid ways and moments,” compared to bigger, what I would… It’s not that they’re not real, but I mean bigger, more… Bigger things in my life and related to conflict and family and people and other things that I actually feel angry about, or in my past I’ve felt angry about and haven’t allowed myself to express that anger. I feel like it comes out in these little ways in the moment because I feel more safe maybe to express that anger in those moments when it’s just me and some stupid little wire or something not working. So I don’t know if that makes sense, but I guess I’m just curious if I’m on the right track or that I’m interpreting that correctly?

ELIAS: I would agree. And it, yes, makes complete sense. And in that, as I’ve expressed many times, energy will be expressed. Therefore if you stifle it in one direction, it will come out in another direction. And in that, yes, you might allow yourself to express anger in capacities that you make an association that it’s safer and that you can express however you choose or automatically, and in that you can be expressing intensely but you’re not doing it in relation to someone else and therefore you’re not hurting anyone.

JOHN: Yeah. Yeah. Well again that’s a whole rabbit hole that I could go down, but I more so just kind of want a validation for that interpretation of that.

ELIAS: I understand, and I would say you are correct. There is more to it.

JOHN: Yeah.

ELIAS: But this would be the basics of it.

JOHN: Yeah. Well another, another question I’ve been pondering recently and yeah, another, another rabbit hole I could go down, something… This is not new, but again over the last few months it’s been more present in my life again, having been back in North Carolina and all of the things that (laughs) you’re aware of. I’ve tried to figure out how to ask this question, so we… I might ask more about it, but I’m just curious for kind of a one-word answer, because I’m curious what your response would be. I feel like – and you’ve talked about this before, and I feel like you’ve talked about this concept with other people and articulated it a lot – but I’ve often had the sense for most of my life that there is just something missing in my life. And I think there could be a lot of things that fit that, but I would be curious if you were to kind of sum up into a word or a phrase or something, what is it that I feel like I’m missing in my life?

ELIAS: (Pause) In one word: contentment.

JOHN: Contentment?


JOHN: (Laughs heartily) That is not what I expected you to say. (Laughs)

ELIAS: I have no doubt!

JOHN: (Laughs) But it’s so funny that you say that. I mean, I definitely would agree that that is, that is definitely one of the words that I’ve thought about, but… Years ago, in … For over, I don’t know… 2007 or so, not long before I came into awareness of your information and you, I did, I was very involved… I’m saying all of this like I don’t know what you know of my life and what you don’t know and whatever, but I participated in a bunch of personal development workshops for years when I was… And that was a huge part of my life in Oregon that was very life-changing and very profound and I dedicated multiple years of my life to basically just focusing on that. And I will always remember that in the beginning, the first time that I participated, one of the questions that people asked in the beginning, it was like a weekend-long retreat type thing and one of the first questions was “What are you looking for in your life?” or “What are you looking for?” or “What are you hoping to get out of this?” And that was my exact answer, was “I just want to feel content. I want to know what it’s like to feel contentment in my life.” And it’s just so hysterical to me (laughs) and I guess not surprising that that would be your answer, because it still feels true.

ELIAS: And it all comes around in a circle.

JOHN: Yeah. Oh. (Laughs) (Pause) Yeah.

ELIAS: I would say that this is something that you’ve been looking for, for a significant amount of time.

JOHN: Yeah.

ELIAS: It’s something that you’ve felt as a missing piece.

JOHN: Yeah. And I think since that time, I have felt more (pause)… I have felt more of that in my life than before that moment (laughs) but yeah, I do still feel like that is kind of what it comes down to. I’m just letting that sink in right now.

ELIAS: I understand, and I acknowledge that because in that, my friend, that is a piece that would allow everything else to fall into place. I have expressed many, many, many times in many different capacities how that’s the nature of consciousness, to always be creating more and that in physical focus, what you create more of is what you pay attention to, and what you’re experiencing, in a manner of speaking. And in that, if you’re paying attention to being content in your life, then you’re going to create more of that. Which means that whatever it is that you want, you will create more easily. Because if you’re content, you’re not creating obstacles. (Pause)

That doesn’t mean that you never have challenges, but challenge isn’t necessarily a bad word. (Chuckles)

JOHN: Yeah.

ELIAS: And in that, I would say that challenge takes on a very different meaning when you ARE content. It takes on a meaning of something exciting.

JOHN: Would you say that contentment is a state of being?


JOHN: Hm. Yeah. So I was going to mention this anyway in this session, but it feels very (laughs)… It feels very directly connected and related. So last month we talked about my lack of presence over the last few years, how I’ve felt less and less present. And just the last few weeks, kind of without… I mean obviously I’m aware of what I’m choosing and I do feel like it’s intentional, but it hasn’t felt difficult. But I feel like I’ve been able to reconnect to a big, a big sense of presence throughout my day more over the last few weeks since we talked last.

And one of the times, one of my daily routines has been… The weather has generally been really nice this spring and I’m living with my friend who has a really nice big backyard, and there’s chairs outside. And I will usually come home in the middle of the day to cook my meals for the rest of the day, and during that time I’ve been sitting outside in a big lounge, like an outdoor lounge chair-type thing where I can lounge, sit back, and yeah, I’ve just been going out there, taking my shirt off, putting a hat over my face and just lying in the sun and listening to the trees and like being grateful and being just really present and actually feeling quite content in those moments and connecting to that state more than I have in a long time. And it’s been really positive. (Laughs)

It’s just been really great. It’s like a part of my day that I look forward to almost the most these days, and I guess maybe that is it, because I feel content in those moments and I feel present and I feel peaceful. And I practice just focusing on being present and feeling my body and feeling the sun and listening to the trees and appreciating the birds and watching the squirrels and just taking it all in and being with it. And it's been really lovely.

ELIAS: And I would express that’s the beginning.


ELIAS: You don’t move into contentment all at once.

JOHN: Yeah.

ELIAS: You move into it in increments, because you have to learn to accept it and you have to learn how to BE present in it, and how to not try to push it away or to interrupt it.

JOHN: Yeah.

ELIAS: All of those things are things that you have been taught throughout your life. And not only have you been taught that, but you’ve been taught that those things are important, that it’s important to push, it’s important to do, it’s important to move in certain directions and to accomplish in certain capacities. And therefore simply being is not something that is tremendously familiar to you. Therefore you have to learn how to be that again.

Even as small children, you’re already moving in directions of pushing and hurrying and doing and accomplishing and in that, not simply being. (Pause)

JOHN: Hm. (Pause)

ELIAS: But moving in the direction of allowing yourself to simply be and practicing that more and more DOES allow you to move into contentment in increments and express that more and more. And in doing so, that’s when importances start to genuinely change. Because you begin to realize that many things that you held as important throughout your life begin to fall away and don’t seem to be as important.

JOHN: Yeah, I’ve really had that sense lately. (Chuckles) It’s really hard to even articulate in myself what is changing right now, but I do feel like (chuckles)… I do feel this sense that things are changing in me and that description of falling, like things falling away, I do feel that. That feels like an accurate description of what I’m experiencing somehow, is lots of things just kind of falling away. And yeah, specifically what is important to me and what is not important to me.

ELIAS: Because you are expanding, and as you expand and you become more self-aware, then many of those things that you were striving for before and many of the things that you held in principle before begin to fall away and don’t hold the same importance any longer, and don’t hold the importance of fighting for any longer. And that’s a big piece, is not fighting. Lack of fighting also helps to create that contentment.

JOHN: I’ve kind of made it… somewhat of a (laughs) yeah just a routine, I guess, to go outside. I think since I’ve moved back into a house and I’ve been sleeping in the house, it’s… it’s reminded me that part of what I really appreciated about being in my car was the feeling of being much more connected to outside. Even though I’m inside my car, a lot of those times I felt much more like the barrier between me and the outside world felt much smaller. And I feel like I really appreciated that and valued that.

And in a house, I feel much more segregated and so it’s felt really important as part of my… my adjustment, to be outside more. So when I wake up, I try to go outside. Pretty much I’ve been very consistent. Even if the weather’s rainy, there’s a part of the back porch that’s covered so I almost immediately upon waking up, I drink some water and I go outside and I just, yeah, listen to the trees. Or if it’s raining, I listen to the rain and I watch the sky and I watch the clouds and I just kind of be with that for a while. And then like I said, almost every day during the afternoon, before I go to the gym I sit outside for a long time and just be present with that. It’s kind of become part of my routine and I… I don’t always intentionally meditate necessarily, but I have played around with that a little bit here and there. But I guess all that to say it feels like that’s a really good start. But would you have any other specific recommendations to continue practising being present and connecting to that sense of contentment?

ELIAS: I would say that that is an excellent beginning. And what I would say to you, my friend, is to recognize that this is something that masters have in common. It doesn’t matter what they master, but that in becoming more aware, what they initially begin to do is connect with everything that is. You term that to be nature, but it’s bigger than nature. Nature is perhaps the beginning of it, which would include the elements, but it’s more than that. It’s everything. It’s your entire universe and beyond. It’s knowing that you are interconnected and that that interconnectedness is greater than you even realize, and that there’s so much more to it than you necessarily realize. And I would say to you, my friend, that this is the beginning of it. And I would very much encourage you to continue in that direction because I would express the encouragement to you of paying attention while you’re outside, to how much you ARE connected with everything. Everything is a part of you and you are a part of all of it. And it reaches so far beyond your immediate environment or your environment as a whole. And in that, that will lead you even more in a direction of recognizing that contentment, because it will lead you in the direction of realization of who and what you are.

I have expressed from the onset of this forum that you are glorious beings. For the most part, almost no one believes me. (Both laugh) And almost everyone in their head, if not in words, argues with me. And in that, it’s because you don’t remember and you don’t recognize just how glorious you genuinely are. And in this, you are bright beings and very diverse beings. And I would say that the more you can simply be and experience yourself as connected with everything, the more you will recognize just how glorious you are. Because everything around you is glorious, and if everything around you is glorious and you are a part of it all, then you must be also.

JOHN: Hm. (Pause)

ELIAS: Therefore I would say: learn to revel in being. And that will bring you contentment, my friend. Because in that, then everything and anything you do will bring you contentment. (Pause)

JOHN: Yeah. I mean that sounds pretty glorious. (Both laugh)

ELIAS: Because it is. (Laughs) And so are you. (Laughs)

JOHN: Yeah. (Pause) I don’t think I have any other questions for these last few minutes, but anything, if you have questions or anything else you want to share or encouragements or anything?

ELIAS: What have you been engaging in relation to your business? (Both laugh)


ELIAS: A perfect expression of how to burst your contentment bubble. (Both laugh)

JOHN: Well, this is how I’ve been describing it to people, which feels fair and accurate. Most of my… Most of my… I haven’t… Hm. Depending on the definition, I haven’t really made any progress necessarily on the business since a few months ago, but what I have been doing is doing a lot of continuing education through a particular person that I have… basically through the climbing world, but he’s very knowledgeable in all aspects of exercise science and physiology and all of these things. And he has many courses, etc., so I’ve been really interested in digging into all of that and taking extra courses and learning as much as I can. And it’s felt really good, and that’s very real and valid.

And I’m also aware that I am somewhat avoiding focusing on having to make other decisions related to the business and kind of using, using the continuing education as a distraction. Because ultimately I know that it’s not that I need more education at this point to start, it’s just easy for me to focus on the education part and to learn as much as I can to help me feel like I know as much as I can and I’m as educated as I can be on these topics before I start. But ultimately I know that I’m kind of distracting myself and avoiding, and I’m okay with that. I’ve been okay with that choice and very aware of that choice. That would be my short answer. (Chuckles)

ELIAS: Very well. And do you know why you’re avoiding?

JOHN: Well, ultimately some kind of fear related to various things, like we’ve talked about. I mean, I (sighs)… The reality of stepping into this role and stepping into this position is so much bigger than just starting the business, and I’m aware of… I’m aware of it in this really deep way and this kind of symbolic way, that this whole path and creating this business and moving in this direction is just going to… I kind of just have this very clear sense that it’s definitely going to change my life in many ways, and going to open all kinds of doors and just put me on this whole new chapter of life. And I’m definitely excited about that, but it is also kind of terrifying.

And I think I’m still kind of letting myself process that and letting things fall away, and I’m just kind of afraid to step into that power and that position and start that journey. And it really challenges some old core fears of me of, you know, am I worthy of this, am I knowledgeable enough, am I going to be able to do this, am I going to be able to succeed, am I going to be financially stable, and are people going to find it valuable and all of these deeper questions that I’ve not done something like this in my life because I’ve been afraid to really find out and face those things.

And I feel myself day by day, it feels like many other aspects of my life, where there is a slow building up of energy and I am… I’m filling the picture in. Sort of your own analogies. I’m just… I keep pouring all of this energy and I kind of see myself standing on the edge of a cliff or something and I’m just not quite ready to jump. And so all of this energy is just being poured, poured, poured into the position that I’m in, and it’s filling and filling and filling. And I know that at some moment I will take that step and it will all unleash and I just haven’t just felt totally ready to make that step yet. And… But I know that I will. I know that it’s coming, and I’ve watched myself do this in so many other ways at so many other times in my life. It feels very familiar. And I feel a lot of… Overall, I feel very peaceful about it and I’m being gentle with myself and not pushing. But yeah, I think that’s… that’s ultimately what I would say.

ELIAS: Very well. And what I would say is all of that that you said, ALL of that, is also part of what will fall away. That all those reasons, all those anticipations, all those expressions, all that association of bigger, deeper, more important, life-changing, all of it will likely be part of what falls away.

[The timer for the end of the session rings]

ELIAS: And then what is left is simply doing what you enjoy doing, and what you love. That is what is important and this is simply another piece of changing importances.

And I acknowledge what you’re saying in relation to being comfortable with what you’re doing now, and being all right with that, and recognizing all of these other pieces and knowing that you will make a move when you’re ready to make a move, but perhaps not quite in the capacity that you’re thinking. That moving in the direction that you’re moving in now, pursuing that contentment and expressing more and more of that, and learning how to be in it, is a significant part of the process of moving out of the procrastination – which isn’t actually at this point any longer procrastinating. It’s not waiting. It’s not procrastinating. It’s actually moving, but moving in a very different and unfamiliar capacity from what you are accustomed to. And therefore you’re not quite defining it, in relation to what you are actually doing.

And I would say that your expression of attempting to define it as fear is merely something that it’s a concept and words that are familiar to you, but that’s simply because you don’t quite know how to define what you’re doing at this point.

Therefore what I would say to you, my friend, is I give you my encouragement and my acknowledgment, that it’s not fear and that it’s also at this point not procrastination. And in that, I very much support you in what you are doing. Keep practicing that contentment and it will definitely pay off.

JOHN: Hm. Thank you.

ELIAS: You are very welcome. I shall be greatly looking forward to our next conversation and what you are accomplishing at that point. (Both laugh)

JOHN: Me too.

ELIAS: And how much of your contentment you are expressing more. I express tremendous, tremendous love and affection to you, my friend, and a tremendous acknowledgment in your quietness. I would say it’s been a long time coming.

JOHN: Yeah.

ELIAS: Congratulations.

JOHN: Thank you.

ELIAS: You are very welcome. To you in dear friendship as always, and tremendous support, au revoir.

JOHN: Bye for now.

(Elias departs after 1 hour 4 minutes)

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