The Body, Healing and Physicians
Topics:
“Inner Landscape Exercise”
“The Body, Healing and Physicians”
“Scoundrel Focuses”
“Butter and Cheese versus Other Dairy Products”
Sunday, April 23, 2023 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Steph (Rachel)
ELIAS: Good evening!
STEPH: Hello, Elias. (Both laugh)
ELIAS: And how are you proceeding, my friend?
STEPH: Yeah, I’m well. I’m glad to be talking to you again in such a short amount of time in my world. (Both laugh) Yeah, so I have a few questions to get into this evening. You obviously don’t mind if I just barrel on into it? (Laughs)
ELIAS: Barrel away. (Both laugh)
STEPH: All right. So my first question is around my eyesight. So I wanted to ask: (a) Why is it blurring? And I’ll give you my impressions. So I feel like part of it is hesitation for the future, because for so long… Well, yeah, look, for so long I’ve had just uncertainty around like, “What do I want to do with my life?” “Is stuff safe?” “Is the world safe?” blah blah blah. So yeah, hesitation for the future is I think what I mainly feel. I mean, I could say as well the physical cause of it was spending ‘way too much time on my screens, but you know I don’t think that it was just a physical thing. So I want to know, yeah, why is it blurring? And what steps can I take to heal it?
ELIAS: I would say I agree with your impression and your assessment. I would also say that physically what you can do to be affecting it and changing it is (pause) first of all, turn down the brightness on the screen of your device, not tremendously but enough that it’s not glaring at you.
STEPH: Okay.
ELIAS: Next, you can generate exercises with your eyes. In this, close your eyes and relax your facial muscles. Relax your eyes. You can even gently massage around your eyes very lightly to help relax them. Then open them quickly and focus on the first thing that you see. And in that, don’t attempt to look at something else. Simply focus on whatever it is that you see first, until it comes into clarity. If it doesn’t come into clarity, then simply practice that exercise, I would say several times per day. And in that, you can focus on things in different distances, sometimes close up, sometimes farther away. And in that, be doing the same exercise but focusing on something closer or something farther away. And in that, I would say that it should be something that is affecting of your vision eventually. I would say that it, if it doesn’t move your vision into clarity from the beginning, it will eventually.
And in that, I would also say that it’s a matter of perhaps including the inner landscape exercise also, and don’t manipulate anything in the inner landscape. Let your subjective awareness and your body consciousness do that. Let your subjective awareness and your body consciousness move in the direction of creating the movie, so to speak. You only create the landscape. Your body and your subjective awareness create all the moving parts.
STEPH: Is the inner landscape…? Because that sounds familiar, and you know I can hazard a guess at what it’s like because I know exercises to do with inner landscape, but I’m just thinking if I’ve heard you specifically talk about it in a session. Like I –
ELIAS: The inner landscape is a visualization. What you do is you first move yourself in the direction of calming yourself and relaxing. You create a visualization of a landscape. It could be anything. It could be an actual landscape. It could be under the ocean. It could be outer space. It could be anything, anything that is pleasing to you and that is calming to you. Then in that, you create the landscape and that’s all you do, and then you simply watch it. You simply engage the action of observing what you’ve created in relation to the landscape. And within, I would say, a few seconds to a minute after you’ve created the landscape, there should be things that enter into the area of the landscape.
Meaning that let’s say you create a landscape under the sea, you’re not including anything, you’re simply seeing a landscape under the sea. And then what will happen is your body consciousness and your subjective awareness will begin to introduce moving parts. Therefore they will introduce fish and different swaying plants perhaps. And in that, you might begin to see certain fish that are eating other fish or fish that are eating plants, or you might see crabs walking along the ocean floor and picking up different pieces of debris. And in that, you will be able to watch this movie, so to speak, of what is happening in your landscape. But you’re not manipulating that. You’re not making anything intentionally happen in the landscape. You’re simply watching and observing what is naturally occurring, because your subjective awareness is what instructs the body consciousness. Therefore what it’s doing is it’s creating imagery for you in relation to affecting whatever it is that you want to be affected.
Therefore before you start the inner landscape, you simply express the intention that this inner landscape is to be affecting your eyesight. Then don’t think about that any longer. And in this, the wonder part of the inner landscape is that you don’t have to know how anything functions in your body because your subjective awareness knows how everything functions in your body. And in that, it knows how to adjust. It also understands what you’re expressing in relation to your intention. And in that, then it is set with the task to affect that part of your body and reset it and move in a direction of restoring it to its natural function.
STEPH: Mm. Okay. That sounds good. Yeah, I like that. I sometimes do a similar-ish thing, maybe not with the same intention, but yeah, I think that exercise should come quite naturally to me.
ELIAS: I would also say you can use the inner landscape for many different things. You can use it for regeneration. You can use it for something that you want to accomplish. You can use the inner landscape for almost anything.
STEPH: That’s really fascinating on two levels. So one is that one of Seth’s exercises that I always really enjoy, or that I’ve been enjoying when I’ve done it, is the one where he talks about… You sort of like …imagining a room in your mind. Your mind is like a room, and you’re imagining your beliefs as furniture and sort of like moving furniture around the house or the room in your mind, and sort of noticing the other bits and pieces that kind of build up around that furniture. But so, for instance – I don’t know if this is making sense, but for me there is some beliefs, or there’s like a belief that I see as a big grandfather clock, but I can see that around that big grandfather clock there are all these boxes of stuff. And so it’s all of that stuff that’s like the little beliefs that you can get distracted by, but actually it’s all relating to the big grandfather clock belief, that’s kind of the core of… You know, like you’re saying that the furniture, the main beliefs that you hold, but then there are other beliefs that kind of… If you think, “I’m not enough,” you’ll have a bunch of beliefs that tie in with not being enough, but they might seem different to it and distract you from what kind of the core belief is, if that makes sense.
ELIAS: Yes.
STEPH: Yeah. And I find that a really helpful exercise. So yeah, I like… I find that interesting, using the imagination in that way, which obviously I know that you and Seth and countless others have sort of spoken about that, but also it’s interesting to me because having studied hypnotherapy and being interested in that, the imaginational inner visualization gets utilized so much in that way. And I really like, I guess, the… I mean, it’s a bit intimidating or overwhelming as well just how much power that is in these things. And of course there’s power in it, but yeah, it’s really interesting and intense. (Both laugh) I don’t know. Yeah. That’s really curious. I look forward to… You know, it’s like it’s because obviously I can sense how many possibilities are within that, even if I’m not consciously aware of them. But it’s almost like… You know, sometimes I feel like I get so caught up in my dreams as well. And I really enjoy physical reality. I’m not saying that I’m so distracted in my dreams that I can’t live day-to-day life, but it’s like… (Sighs) Yeah, I feel like there’s some really intense things that are just not about objective, physical reality, and that’s really fascinating.
ELIAS: I very much understand.
STEPH: Yeah.
ELIAS: And I would say you are correct. There is tremendous power in your direction, in your intentions and in what you do. Visualizing is a tremendous tool, because it allows you to move in different directions without having to know the mechanics of what you’re doing.
STEPH: Mm. And so, I can trust – because one thing that I’m thinking, right, is (laughs) – I know you’ve said this to me and many others before, so I kind of know the answer to this. But I know that we can, as you say, regenerate stuff in our bodies, but you know I think there’s a difference for me at least when I intellectually know that, versus when a doctor or someone tells me that something is wrong or not the way it should be, and then me trusting that I can shift that. And so I think with my eyesight… So I’ve been reluctant to see an optometrist for a long, long time. I knew my vision was getting blurry ‘way before I went and saw anyone about it. And the optometrist when they did their scan, they told me my eyeballs have kind of grown in length, which is something that apparently happens when people have sight stuff going on. Their eyeballs try to compensate by changing their shape. And I mean to me, I’m like well, intellectually I trust that either I can get them back to a standard round shape or they’ll just stay the way they are but it won’t matter. It won’t have any long-term effects or anything, right? But I don’t know. I guess what I’m asking is these exercises, obviously I could use them to encourage a beneficial outcome in that way too, to make sure my eyes are physically okay, as well as how they facilitate my vision, if that makes sense?
ELIAS: Yes. Yes. You most definitely can.
STEPH: Yeah. I mean, I find that I’m really struggling with this at times, and I guess it’s something I feel really vulnerable around. And I know you were saying to me in my last session, the impression I got was just relax and things will be okay, and I can shift anything. But… And I don’t know if I’m really asking for any advice around this. I guess it’s just… (sighs)
ELIAS: I understand that it’s very common for people to not trust that they can affect something physically. And let me say to you that in relation to health and the body, this is something that most people find more difficult than other things in their reality. Other things that you think about that you can accomplish or that you can do, you can show yourself that you can be physically engaging something and you can affect it in your reality, and you trust that and you believe that. But in relation to your body and healing in relation to anything with your body, you, most people have limitations with that. They only believe that to a certain degree, and then they don’t necessarily trust themselves to actually heal something or change something in their body.
As a very simple example, if an individual breaks a bone they know that that bone can heal. They know that it can heal itself, but they don’t necessarily believe that it will heal itself unless it is addressed to in a certain manner.
STEPH: (Chuckles) Yeah.
ELIAS: And that they can even, in your terms, go so far as to say that they believe and that they know that that bone will heal itself regardless, but it might heal itself wrong if it’s not addressed to properly. And the individual doesn’t necessarily believe that they by themselves can do that.
Now, there’s nothing wrong with that because you’re the one that’s doing everything anyway. But if you believe that it is important for you to have assistance from someone else to help you to accomplish some type of healing, that’s still you doing it and there’s nothing wrong with that. And in that, that’s also another expression of your interconnectedness, that you don’t do everything alone and you are interconnected and you do enlist the aid of other individuals. And some of those individuals may be physicians.
But now then there is another piece with that, that if a physician tells you something in relation to what they believe, they can influence you to actually create something in relation to what they believe. And therefore they can influence you in directions of creating physical manifestations that you might not have created otherwise.
STEPH: Yeah. Yeah.
ELIAS: Therefore it’s somewhat of a double-edged sword and in that, it’s a matter of recognizing that you have the power ultimately, but that you can also enlist the help of other people, including physicians, to allow you to accomplish what you want to accomplish in healing your body.
Now, in relation to your eyesight, I would say – or anything, or anything in relation to your body – that physicians don’t know a lot about the physical body. They study considerably and they have a working knowledge of anatomy, and they have somewhat of a knowledge of the functions of parts of the body. They have a working knowledge of the function of your skeletal system, your circulatory system, somewhat of your digestive system, somewhat of your neurological system. They have a working knowledge of – somewhat – of all of and each of your organs, but they don’t know everything. And they don’t have a clear understanding of why the body does a lot of the things that the body does.
And in that, they don’t have a tremendous knowledge of the brain and your neurological system. And your brain is your command center of your body, and your digestive system, your entire digestive system, is your sensitivity center of your body. It is the, you could say, seat of your emotions and it is the center of your sensitivity. And in that, your digestive system is the most sensitive system in your body.
Now, in this, because your physicians don’t know everything, they make what they might term to be educated guesses about most things in the body, other than something such as they know that if they immobilize a bone, it will knit back together properly. They know that for sure. (Steph laughs) But in relation to anything that is being directed by your brain, they’re not a hundred percent sure about that.
STEPH: Yeah.
ELIAS: They make educated guesses. Therefore even though they have mapped the body tremendously, they don’t always know everything about how your sight works either.
STEPH: Yeah. Yeah.
ELIAS: Because sight is one of your senses. They have the basics about all of your senses, but they don’t actually know everything about how all of your senses function. And in that also, I would say that they have generated a considerable increase in their knowledge about sight and about how it functions, and what to do with certain dysfunctions with the sight mechanism, but I would say also that most physicians don’t move in a direction of recognizing the interplay with everything in the body. And THAT is a significant piece, that when you look at anything with the body, just as you were saying you understand the physical piece with your sight but that you know that’s not the only part of it. In that, what you’re basically saying is, “If I’m looking at this manifestation of my sight and then I look at my whole self, I can assess that this is what is affecting of my sight, when I’m looking at everything that’s influencing, when I’m looking at the whole body, the whole picture.”
STEPH: Yeah.
ELIAS: “My whole self is involved in every physical manifestation.” And your whole self is involved in the proper function of everything in your body. And in that, this is also the reason that the inner landscape is so effective, because you don’t have to know the mechanics. You don’t have to know how everything is functioning. But because you trust the interconnectedness of everything and the whole of your body, because it’s all part of you, then the inner landscape allows you to move in a direction of healing through imagery. And the imagery is not about certain parts of your body, but that the images are symbolic and they are representative of certain parts of your body. But you don’t have to know what parts of your body they are representative of.
STEPH: Yeah. No, that makes sense. That’s really fascinating. There’s a lot… Obviously, there’s a lot that we could chat about on that, and that’s actually a topic that I think I’m going to have to try and have some subjective conversations (laughs) with you about, because (both laugh) there’s a lot to explore in that. But I want to interrupt. I’m sorry. I know I’m always interrupting you, Elias. As I said, I was saying on the Forum, the Facebook Forum, the other day, I just wish I could talk to you for days and days at a time (Elias laughs) objectively. (Laughs) But I wanted to ask a few quick questions and then go back to some things that relate kind of to body stuff.
ELIAS: Very well.
STEPH: This one might be a bit of a weird one, but again, so I’ve recently been rereading Seth’s Nature of Personal Reality, which I really enjoy, that book. But actually this one wasn’t from Nature of Personal Reality, it’s from the Seth material. He’s chatting to someone about their focuses. I mean, he’s obviously saying “lifetimes,” but he’s chatting to someone about their focuses and saying how sometimes we choose focuses that allow us to have a rest, between working on… And I mean I know maybe the way I’m wording this is contentious, because I realize that, as you were saying to me last session, it’s not like there’s anything we have to be doing and all of that. But he was kind of saying sometimes we choose focuses that are objectively a bit easier than maybe some of our other focuses would be, because we want a rest. Just as I guess a quick answer, would you say this lifetime is a bit of a rest lifetime for me? Or is it just I’m choosing very specific things to work on, and so it’s not overly… I mean, I do get bogged down in the trauma of things at times, but by and large I feel like I’m kind of choosing a bit of an ease in this life?
ELIAS: I would say it’s not necessarily what you would term to be a resting focus, but it’s also not a tremendously difficult focus.
STEPH: Yeah. Yeah.
ELIAS: Therefore it’s one that has its challenges, although every focus has its challenges, even a rest focus. But it’s not a focus that has tremendous challenges or tremendous obstacles to overcome.
STEPH: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, that makes sense. Yeah. Actually there’s something that relates to that, but I might come back to it in a minute.
One question as well around focuses: do I feel…? I would say I’m an extremely empathetic person and that’s not me giving myself a pat on the back for emotional intelligence. I’m just saying I know the way I feel things feels like I’m very sensitive to a lot of stuff. And I was wondering if part of that in this focus – and again, I don’t mean to sound like this is too much, like I’m thinking cause and effect, but is part of this a contrast to other focuses that were very sadistic or very uncaring? Because I know sometimes we… Again, I don’t mean this in a kind of causation way, but I know there’s an idea that sometimes we are looking for balance. And again, I’m thinking back to something Seth was saying about how a lot of people who suffered, for instance, in World War II, part of that was a balancing of stuff that they maybe had done or that they had participated in, in other focuses where they were being quite cruel. And again, I don’t mean it as karma or anything like that, I just mean obviously it makes sense that we choose some kind of balancing in our experiences. Anyway, just… I guess what I’m asking is: is the empathy that I experience, is it to balance out some extreme scoundrel behavior? (Laughs) Or am I just—
ELIAS: I would say, I would say yes, knowing that it’s not about cause and effect, yes. I would say that you could express it in that manner, that in this you choose many, many, many different types of experiences through different focuses because that’s part of your exploration, to experience. And in that, yes, there is also a factor of balance, that you do generally. Most essences want to express some balance in relation to the types of focuses and the types of experiences that they have. They want to encompass the entire spectrum of experiences that they can, in relation to your reality. But in that, yes, generally speaking, they also want to incorporate some type of balance.
Therefore if you have five hundred scoundrel focuses (Steph laughs) or tremendously violent focuses, you likely will have perhaps not an equal amount but close, of other focuses that are very sensitive or humanitarian that would yes, balance out those other focuses. Not that one is better than the other or not that (Steph laughs) one is good or bad, other than how you see them. Otherwise they are simply different experiences. But in that, generally many of the scoundrel focuses have an intensity to them, and therefore you might want to balance that with focuses that have a sensitivity and a calm. But then, don’t misunderstand because some, some focuses that are very sensitive also have an intensity to them.
STEPH: Yeah.
ELIAS: Because they may be overwhelmed with that sensitivity. Therefore it’s a matter of recognizing that a negative doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s going to be more intense than a positive.
STEPH: Yeah. No, I mean because that’s what I feel, and that was one of the questions I’d written down. Because I just, sometimes I get so overwhelmed with how much I feel and how much it hurts to… I’m not saying, I don’t feel suicidal or anything like that. But sometimes it just really, really, really hurts to see the stuff that’s going on, whether it’s people abusing animals or whether it’s people just being really shitty to other humans, or being really insensitive about whatever things. It feels really painful and I kind of… On one hand, I feel like I’m kind of intellectually coping with it by saying, “Well yeah, I probably do…” Again, I don’t want to sound like I’m saying it as a karmic thing because I really don’t believe it that way, but it’s just I kind of rationalize it by saying, “Well, yeah, I probably did some really crappy things (laughs) at other points in time.” And I know you’re saying it’s not about things being good or bad, but I mean to me in this now, there’s stuff that’s pretty objectively shitty behavior, even if I know that it’s—
ELIAS: I understand. I very much understand.
STEPH: Yeah. And I mean—
ELIAS: And in that—
STEPH: — it’s hard to cope with.
ELIAS: Of course! You are not eliminating belief systems and you’re not eliminating duplicity, which tells you a right, a wrong, a good, a bad. And in that, you would assess for yourself certain expressions as being bad and wrong, and that also has to do with your individual guidelines.
STEPH: Yeah. Yeah.
ELIAS: Therefore I very much understand what you’re expressing.
STEPH: But I mean, how do I cope with that? Because that’s the thing, like it’s kind of like on one level, (a) how do I cope with the sensitivity in this lifetime and not being so overwhelmed by it? But (b) how do I cope with being like, “Well, I’ve probably or rather definitely been the perpetrator”? And I know it’s not me as such. It’s like another aspect. It’s not me as I am right now. I don’t know. I know it’s complex, but just how do you cope with that? (Laughs) What do you do to cope with it?
ELIAS: What I would say to you is there are different things that you can do that will help in one focus when you are very sensitive to certain expressions. It’s a matter of looking at the subject from different angles. One, you do something physically that allows you to be participating in a direction that you agree with. Therefore, without opposing, you’re combatting what you don’t agree with.
Let me use a very simple example. If you are very sensitive to animal cruelty or abuse with children, then you might choose to generate donations to different organizations that combat that type of expression, that type of action. Therefore you don’t have to be actually physically involved, but you are participating in an actual, physical expression that puts your energy in a particular direction with the subject. Therefore you’re not ignoring it. You’re not moving in a direction of non-participation. But then because you ARE physically participating in the direction that you prefer and that is important to you, then you can buffer out that energy and intentionally not pay attention.
Therefore whenever something arises that might inform you of some type of abuse or cruelty, you don’t pay attention to it. You turn it off. You turn away and you don’t pay attention to it. And in that, you’re making an objective choice not to be participating in that capacity, because all that does is distress you. And in that, that isn’t productive. It doesn’t help you or anyone else. And therefore it’s a matter of recognizing that you’re making a choice objectively to participate in a certain capacity but to not pay attention in other capacities. Do you understand?
STEPH: Yeah. Yeah. No, that’s… That’s really validating. That does make sense. Yeah. Yeah.
ELIAS: Because ultimately, it’s a matter of reminding yourself that you’re constantly rippling outward and therefore you want to be aware of how you’re rippling outwards. If you have a significant sensitivity, you don’t want to be rippling out in a negative capacity by expressing significant judgments continuously. (Steph laughs) You don’t want to be rippling outward in distress constantly.
STEPH: Yeah.
ELIAS: Therefore it’s a matter of choosing: “How do I want to be rippling out? I want to be encouraging. If I want to be encouraging, then I recognize that it’s not beneficial for me to follow accounts of abuse or cruelty. Therefore I choose not to pay attention to those expressions, but I will move in the direction of participating in—
STEPH: A positive manner.
ELIAS: — relation to what I agree with.”
STEPH: Yeah. No, that’s really validating. It actually… So there are two things on that. Well, yeah. I can see also how the inner landscape exercise is potentially beneficial in that, because I can imagine creating landscapes that facilitate quite a peaceful… Like I sort of have this imagery of creating a meadow and watching the flowers and the bees and the birds and the things doing their stuff, and having that—
ELIAS: Yes.
STEPH: — be healing on various levels as well. But one thing I wanted to say around that too. Is this also part of why…? So I’ve been drawn to reiki recently, and I’ve always been really reluctant to pursue reiki because I feel like it’s a bit too formal and potentially, I don’t want to say dogmatic but just I prefer more free flow energy healing. But I’ve been feeling like maybe I do actually want to learn reiki just because I believe… And I was reading some of your transcripts on this as well, how it is legitimate, as in the energy healing it’s doing is real in our perception. Anyway, I was like yeah, maybe it would be beneficial for me to formally learn reiki just so that I can use it as a base for other stuff. But in what you were saying, even if I don’t practice it how they say to practice it, but just as a… I guess it helps.
ELIAS: Correct.
STEPH: Yeah.
ELIAS: It can be a base and in that, it can be a foundation for you and you can build on that in whatever direction you choose.
STEPH: Mm. Yeah, exactly. And I feel like that ties in with participating in what I feel is beneficial because I think I’ve avoided it for so long, in just my general therapy and healing that I’ve learned as a practitioner. I’ve avoided because well, who am I to kind of interfere with other people? Well, not interfere, but… I don’t know. I guess it just felt like taking on responsibility but also putting myself in a capacity where maybe I was somehow disempowering people. It doesn’t really make sense, because I know it’s not disempowering people to offer assistance if they’re seeking assistance. But anyway, just what you were saying kind of feels like a reinforcement that those paths are actually beneficial for me because they allow me to hold space for people in a way that I actually think is quite valuable in our world, and maybe helps support the positive stuff that I…
ELIAS: Yes.
STEPH: Yeah.
ELIAS: I very much agree. Yes.
STEPH: Yeah. Sorry, I’m just going to change it quickly. Two things. Oh yeah. So there was this medieval scholar, I can’t say the word, scholar (laughs), this priest called Bede, which was spelled B-E-D-E. He wrote the history of… I can’t even remember what it was called now. But anyway, I was listening to a podcast about him the other day, and he was really instrumental in our understanding of linguistics as well because he translated some stuff from Latin into Old English or something like that. Anyway, I felt a real resonance with him and I was wondering: Am I an observing focus of Bede? Is that why I feel so drawn to him?
ELIAS: You are. Yes.
STEPH: Cool. And I felt a really strong connection to lots of things from around that period, largely medieval times in Europe and the U.K. And I was wondering: Is a lot of that because I was participating either as an observing or directing focus for a lot of (inaudible)?
ELIAS: Yes.
STEPH: Focuses? Yeah. Have I also had quite a few focuses as historians from that time? Because I felt so drawn, because I want to keep exploring those lifetimes, those energies?
ELIAS: Either historians or individuals that are close to and interactive with them.
STEPH: Mm. Yeah. Yeah, because I just feel so fascinated learning so much about especially the English monarchy, in terms of the history of it. I’m not saying… I don’t feel like I was all of these kings or whatever, but it’s like just the court system and the intrigues of these individuals’ lives are just so fascinating to me. And I also feel like my interest in linguistics, I’m guessing also to some degree ties in with these experiences too?
ELIAS: Yes. Yes.
STEPH: Yeah.
ELIAS: Most definitely.
STEPH: Interesting. Sometimes I wonder. I’m like, “Should I go back and pursue linguistics?” but I guess maybe it’s more of a… more of an interest that it doesn’t have to be my core thing. Sorry, I know I’m not necessarily asking.
ELIAS: I would say that you can continue to study that subject and move in directions of being involved with it, because it is an interest of yours. I would say that that simply allows you to engage more of your passions.
STEPH: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. One hundred percent. Yeah.
The other day, I did some yoga. In our last session, you suggested I do some yoga to kind of get used to breathing or paying attention to certain parts of my body and how I manage breath and things like that. I tried doing some yoga and even just – and this has happened before – even just being in the crossed-legs position, I couldn’t do it properly. My leg, like I’d adjust my leg and my back felt so much pain, and I was getting so frustrated and angry and feeling really useless because I’m like, “How can I not even just sit up and cross my legs like a normal person?” (Laughs) And I ended up journaling about it and it was really bringing up some intense feelings.
(The timer for the end of the session rings)
STEPH: Sorry, I know the alarm’s going off but is this…? Like was part of the reason you suggested it, is it that I have to be doing it? Or is it also that there’s some pretty intense emotional clearing stuff that I need to get through with it?
ELIAS: I would say it’s more the latter.
STEPH: Okay, cool. So I’m not a failure. (Laughs)
ELIAS: It’s not that you have to do. You don’t. (Steph laughs) But that there—
STEPH: I’m like—
ELIAS: But that there is something for you to pay attention to in that.
STEPH: It just makes me feel like I’ve made no progress. Like honestly, I just… I’m like, “How can I get this frustrated and angry over something that I wouldn’t judge anyone else for not being able to do it?” But it brought up so much discord in me.
ELIAS: I understand. And I would say that that’s what is significant for you to look at.
STEPH: Yeah. Yeah. It just makes me want to cry the whole time, which is just crazy. But I mean, I know there’s more to it. Like I know there’s other stuff there. All right.
Can I just ask two more questions, quick ones?
ELIAS: Yes.
STEPH: Why should I avoid dairy? You’ve said this to me a couple of times, and the thing that I keep forgetting to ask you is that if it’s our beliefs and energy that are kind of dictating how we’re receiving food or receiving anything, why—
ELIAS: No. No.
STEPH: No?
ELIAS: It’s, it’s physiological. It’s that dairy products are not natural for you to be consuming.
Now, understand that I have also expressed distinctions in that, that I make a distinction between cheese and butter, and other dairy products. Because in that, I would say to you that in relation to what you consume in association with many dairy products, they’re just not natural for you. Cheese and butter are products that have been being produced for centuries and centuries and centuries. And in that, that’s different. What has become (pause) very more recent developments, meaning recent in relation to the last century, are milk and the production of yogurt and different dairy products, cream, that people use on a daily basis and have been encouraged to use in relation to the dairy industry.
STEPH: Yeah. Okay.
ELIAS: That’s different. Therefore if you enjoy consuming cheese or you are consuming butter, that’s different. And in that, I would not discourage you from consuming those products. But—
STEPH: Even cottage cheese?
ELIAS: Cottage cheese is another one of dairy products that have been promoted in the last century.
STEPH: It’s just I really enjoy cottage cheese and Greek yogurt. (Laughs) I’m like, “I don’t want to stop eating them.” (Laughs)
ELIAS: I understand. I’m simply expressing to you that because they are so unnatural to the human body, your body doesn’t process them correctly. And what happens then is that you develop other physical manifestations as – your body does – as reactions.
STEPH: Serious ones? Or just aesthetically problematic ones?
ELIAS: I would say both.
STEPH: Mm. Well, that’s a shame. Okay. Well, I’m going to have to try and work on that one because I’m still like… But I don’t… I really don’t want to give them up yet, but I don’t know. We’ll see.
All right. Well I’ll wrap it up there, Elias. As I said, there’s more that I always want to discuss with you but maybe I’ll use the inner landscape exercise to also facilitate some kind of subjective discussions with you. (Laughs)
ELIAS: Very well.
STEPH: All right. Well, I love you lots. Thank you for your beneficial discussion as always, and I just really appreciate it.
ELIAS: You are very welcome, my friend. And I shall be anticipating our next meeting. (Steph chuckles) In tremendous, tremendous love to you and dear friendship, as always, until our next meeting, au revoir.
STEPH: Au revoir.
(Elias departs after 1 hour 5 minutes)
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