Session 202304231

Rippling Out


“Rippling Out”
“The Meaning of Acceptance”
“Aliens View Humans as Unsafe”
“What Can Threaten You?”
“How to Find Yourself”
“How to Decipher Your Gender”

Sunday, April 23, 2023 (Private and Private/Phone)

Participants: Mary (Michael), Debbie (Tamarra) and Philip (Paetre)

ELIAS: Good afternoon!

DEBBIE: Hello.

PHILIP: Good afternoon, Elias.

ELIAS: And what shall we discuss?


PHIL: Debbie?

DEBBIE: Debbie? (Laughs) Well, this is new for us. One of us is in person and one of us “on the horn,” as they say.

Identity, I think, is the name of the game, the order of the day, I think, from here going forward. Identity will have some element of everything going forward. For me, as I’m becoming more myself, getting to know myself, how much I DON’T know myself, but it’s rapidly catching up – that’s why the theme of the gender situation topic came up, all in that direction. So everything I say, I’m kind of looking at it with the lens of finding out more of who I am.

Because through all the trauma work and everything else we’ve done, working with a partner now, moving together, is all through that intentional creating. And we’ve already discussed how successful… I’ve been having the best time seeing the reflections of my little ones, my young adults, the kids. It’s like magic. The reflections have finally caught up with new choices I’ve been making for a timeframe. The reflections are just so nice. Developing a friendship has been wonderful; moving with my partner – everything is flavored with this, and it’s empowering. And… That’s my statement.

Phil, I want you to share. I’m enjoying that state, so that’s really where I’m at, where Phil has actually moved in more of an action-oriented… Phil, I really want you to share what’s been going on with you.

PHILIP: Well as Elias knows, I started writing this week, and it’s very, very exciting, very, very rewarding, and I feel like I’m finally getting out of me what’s in me. So that’s good. (Elias chuckles) And I love the topics I’ve been talking about, which is consciousness, and it’s… Basically, it’s a column for lay people. And so it’s very exciting to kind of start from scratch – and yes, identity’s been a big part of that.

ELIAS: How so?

PHILIP: Well for one thing, I’m writing about it because, as Debbie said, that’s going to be an important part of our future movements. And it’s identity in my case because all of a sudden I’m exactly what I wanted to be, which is a writer and a speaker. And I feel like it’s already accomplished.

ELIAS: And who is your audience?

PHILIP: My audience? My intended audience… Are you talking about intended audience or who is my present audience?

ELIAS: Both.

PHILIP: Well, my intended audience is, as I said, lay people who I’ll say read and engage in non-mainstream media. And of those, basically I’m just a solution looking for a problem (Elias laughs) – in other words, whoever is drawn to it. But the intended audience is people who want more information in this regard but haven’t really encountered it or haven’t sought it out and can do it in a private fashion. They don’t have to join groups and go to meetings and expose themselves, and can gather this information in their own privacy. So my audience really is myself.


PHILIP: I’m doing it for my own pleasure, and whoever shows up, it doesn’t… I’m not concerned about the outcome, because the outcome is already accomplished, as far as I’m concerned.

ELIAS: Now —

PHILIP: I know that there will be more, but I’m happy just doing it, really.

ELIAS: Excellent! Now, you’re doing this through the computer?


ELIAS: And is there a particular forum or area on the computer that you’re doing this, that you see that you have an audience and you have responders? Or no?

PHILIP: Yes. It’s a site that’s called Substack, and it’s basically a place for self-published writers, similar to WordPress. WordPress is one that people are very familiar with that people have used for a decade. This is a newer place, Substack. A lot of the other voices that I look up to and have high regard for are also writing here, so I feel like I’m in very, very good company.

ELIAS: Excellent. And you can all see what each other is writing?

PHILIP: Yes. You have subscribers, but there is also a central area where you can share that you have written something, and if somebody’s interested they can go link to that and then read what you wrote.

ELIAS: Excellent! And then is there a place for other individuals to comment or to respond to what you wrote?

PHILIP: Yes. There is a place for comments on each article, each column.

ELIAS: Excellent. Excellent. And have you generated any comments yet?


ELIAS: Very well. (Philip laughs)

DEBBIE: That’s an important piece, isn’t it?

ELIAS: But you will.

DEBBIE: Right.

PHILIP: Yes. Because of the three articles I’ve written I’ve already had 90 views on them.


PHILIP: So that’s substantial, and I have five or so —

ELIAS: Therefore you are aware of people that are reading it, even if they don’t comment?

PHILIP: Yes. Yes, it does keep statistics and shows me who has visited each column.

ELIAS: Excellent! THAT’S excellent, because then that’s giving you evidence of people you’ve touched.

PHILIP: Yes. Yes.

ELIAS: Excellent! I would say congratulations!

PHILIP: Thank you. It is very, very exciting.

ELIAS: I agree. (Chuckles)

DEBBIE: Why is that piece so important, Elias? That we get that reflection of that we are rippling out and touching people?

ELIAS: Why is it important? Because it is a validation. You exist in a physical reality that has a considerable amount of separation. The factor that you occupy a body, one singular body, is a tremendous expression of that separation. And in that, people – humans – have a tendency to feel isolated or alone, and it is difficult for people to recognize that they actually DO ripple out, that they actually DO touch other people. And in that then it’s difficult for them to see that they make a difference, and that because they exist they are making a difference.

And also what is significant about this is that you not only want to know that you’re making a difference, but you want to know that you’re making a difference in the direction that’s important to you. And in that, people are always rippling out, but that doesn’t mean that they’re always rippling out in the manner that they WANT to be. Therefore that doesn’t mean that they are actually expressing an influence in the manner that is important to them or that reflects their guidelines and what they believe, or what is important to them.

In this, a very simply example would be a family, and the people in the family are expressing that they don’t agree with war, but they’re constantly fighting amongst themselves at home. What they’re doing is rippling out and supporting the very thing that they express they don’t agree with. And that happens a lot when people are not aware of what they’re doing and they’re not aware of how they’re rippling out. That’s the reason that the reflection is important, that people can see HOW they’re touching, HOW they’re influencing, that they ARE rippling out and what type of an influence do they have. How is their ripple actually affecting in the world? And what are they supporting, and what are they not supporting? And they may be supporting the very things that they don’t agree with, depending upon what they are doing in their own home.

Or, an individual may not be expressing fighting in their own home. They may not be generating that type of conflict, but they may be very judgmental. They may be not very accepting at all and justifying their judgments. And in doing so, they’re also supporting those conflicts that they don’t necessarily agree with. And in that, those same people may be perceiving themselves to be liberal thinkers and progressive, and that they are in the direction of no conflict and peaceful solutions, and they may be very oppositional to dictators and expressions of the like, but at the same time they may be rippling out in a manner that they are very intolerant and that they’re very judgmental, and that in that, that they’re not only not accepting, but that they refuse to look at or see other sides to situations or expressions, or that they are entirely intolerant of just differences.

And in that, they’re supporting the very thing they say they don’t agree with. They are supporting dictators. They are supporting people that are entirely intolerant – and not only dictators, but they may be expressing that they don’t agree with religious individuals because they perceive them to be intolerant of certain expressions, such as we were discussing in relation to genders. And in that, their own intolerance of those people, those religious individuals, is supporting the very thing that they disagree with. And therefore, they’re adding to. Yes, they’re adding to what you think of as the problem; which, in general the problem is a lack of acceptance, and that is the challenge that’s being expressed in this Shift, one of them. And in that, people that are expressing their own intolerance of differences, of people that are not the same as them, they are adding to that expression.

I would say in your previous election, your previous two elections in your country, people were very divided in relation to the previous president and the present president. And in that, there were many people that expressed tremendous support of the previous president and many people that hated him. And in that, BOTH SIDES were contributing to the lack of acceptance, even though one side is saying that they are not accepting the previous president because of acts that he engaged that they disagreed with or that they believe are wrong. But they’re sitting in judgment and not being accepting.

And acceptance doesn’t mean compliance, and it doesn’t mean you have to agree. You DON’T have to agree, but you don’t oppose. It doesn’t mean that you move in a direction of simply making excuses and allowing for everything; you don’t move in opposition to your guidelines, but you recognize that there’s no universal right and wrong. Therefore, what one individual expresses as terribly wrong, another individual might engage because they DON’T view it as terribly wrong.

Therefore, that was an excellent example of the tremendous lack of acceptance and the tremendous intolerance, because in that, there is an example of an individual that generated many actions that were for many people intolerable and that were absolutely wrong. And in that, even many of the people that were supporting of that individual didn’t agree with many of the actions that he engaged.

In that, you don’t have to agree with them; you don’t have to comply with them; you don’t have to excuse them. Acceptance is the recognition that you have guidelines that are your guidelines – they guide you. And that there are many individuals that will agree with you, but there are many individuals that don’t. And that acceptance is the recognition that you don’t have to agree with someone that moves in a different direction or behaves in a different direction or that expresses in a different direction, but that you recognize that your idea of right and wrong isn’t absolute, and that as heinous as some things seem to you, to someone else they’re not at all. To someone else, they don’t even think about it. And in that, they’re not wrong at all. And for that individual, the liberal free thinkers, that individual perceives them as being exceptionally judgmental and harsh and intolerable, and in that, that they are just as heinous as you believe him to be.

Therefore, who’s right? And who’s not right? That’s actually determined by the masses. What’s considered right and what’s considered wrong is determined by the masses. And it’s determined by AREAS of the masses, because the masses in one area will disagree with the masses in another area. The masses, the majority of the people in some of your – not all, but some of – your Middle Eastern countries have very strict ideas about caste, about roles, about genders, about what they believe is right and what they believe is wrong. And in that, that may be unconscionable to someone in another area, but it’s acceptable to those people. To those people, the behaviors and the things that are acceptable in other countries are horrific to them.

Therefore, who determines what is right and wrong? Who determines is, in any given area, the majority of the people. Which, when you look at the expression and the behaviors and the choices of the majority of the people in any given area, it shows you how diverse you actually are in what influences of beliefs you attach to. You all attach to the same beliefs, simply which influences you choose.

In that, this is the reason that acceptance is so tremendously important. And this also connects with what our previous conversation was in relation to genders. This is a tremendous subject presently that has people very polarized, and that is not being accepted by many individuals. And then even the individuals that are accepting of all of these differences, they’re not accepting of the people that DON’T accept it. Therefore, the people that judge those differences, the people that accept those differences judge the other individuals. Therefore, it doesn’t matter. You’re still moving in these directions of separation and of judgments, and what you’re doing is you’re still expecting other people to follow your guidelines – that whatever is important to you, whatever YOU believe, whatever guides YOUR behavior, other people should be doing. And when they’re not, you become angry, you generate conflict, there is LITTLE tolerance and there is NO acceptance.

And in that, I would say that this is the reason that when people are moving in the direction of change, this is what prompts them to become louder and louder and louder, and to push. And this is the reason that they move in directions of revolutions. And revolution doesn’t always mean fighting with guns, but it means overturning what the status quo is and what the accepted norm is. And in that, that’s what’s happening. But that’s the point of this Shift, and that’s the reason that I’m engaging conversations with all of you, because all of this creates trauma. And that’s what this Shift does: it creates trauma. That’s what we are attempting to avoid by continuing to express about acceptance of differences and the acknowledgment of each individual’s guidelines, and the importance of that and honoring each individual and their movement and their individual expression – and yes, their identity.

Writing your articles about consciousness is your expression of part of your identity: what is important to you, what you believe, what your guidelines are. And in that, it’s a significant expression, and it’s significant that you can see how you’re touching and how you’re rippling. It’s also very important not to make that an absolute, that there are many, many, many people that will disagree with you – and they’re not wrong, just as you’re not wrong.

An individual that chooses to climb into an airline and take over the plane and crash it isn’t wrong, but you think he is. HE doesn’t believe he’s wrong, and his country doesn’t believe he’s wrong. That’s a lot of people. That’s not just one individual; that’s a lot of people that agree with him and that believe he’s right, and that have moved in the direction of helping him to succeed. That one individual can’t succeed all by himself. He has the support of an entire country – or more. And in that, that’s a lot of people that disagree with you.

But you also have a lot of people that disagree with THEM! In that, it’s a matter of honoring yourself and acknowledging yourself in what you express and how you touch, but not falling into the trap of also creating behaviors with yourself that match the energy of the differences.

PHILIP: Sure. One of the things that I like about this is, as you know, I’m very socio-politically minded, and I do have my opinions and I do have my guidelines, but this for me, rather than doing what everyone else is doing – because there’s plenty of people who are pointing their fingers and calling people wrong, and that’s exactly what you’re talking about, and I don’t want to fall into that, and I don’t want to exacerbate that situation – for me, actually approaching this subject in this way allows me to express myself and express my opinion and share something that has the potential to be beneficial for people without making anybody wrong, and still addressing in some ways to some of these socio-political situations but offering information and not in judgment. At least that’s what I’m trying to do.

ELIAS: And offer an example of how you’re doing that.

PHILIP: In my last column I talked about people discovering their true selves, and I talked about why you might want to do that and how you might start to go about that. My feeling is that the more people understand themselves, the less likely they would be to engage in some of these behaviors in which they’re not in acceptance. If they can be more accepting of themselves, perhaps they can be more accepting of other people.

ELIAS: Now, let me offer you a challenge in that.


ELIAS: Let us say that an individual is becoming more aware of themself and in their identity, and in that, they recognize that there is a part of their personality that moves in a direction of feeling very strongly about land, and that their identity is intertwined with the land, and that this is something that is tremendously important to them and their roots and their history, their culture, and all of it is intertwined with the subject of land. And this one individual perceives that other people have taken his land – “his” meaning his in himself and his people. Therefore, other people have taken his land, and this is part of his identity.

Now, in relation to that it also is very involved with his guidelines and what he believes is right and what’s wrong, and very intertwined in his identity is his culture and his land. And therefore, the more he becomes aware of his own identity, the more he becomes aware of himself, the more he actually moves in the other direction, that it’s his right to reclaim the land that has been taken from him, and therefore, it’s justifiable to use whatever methods that are available to him to do so, and that it’s also acceptable to take away from other people by whatever means are available to him, because he knows that the other people will not simply give up what they have. Therefore, he’s going to have to fight for it, which is going to involve conflict, but he’s willing to engage that conflict because it’s so important to him because his identity is so intertwined with that land. NOW what do you say?

PHILIP: Am I responsible for his new-found awareness?

ELIAS: Of course not!

PHILIP: Okay. And in what respect would I be…?

ELIAS: Responding? I would say you expressed that you believe, or you hope – now there is a key word.

DEBBIE: Yeah, we talked about that.

ELIAS: That you would hope that the more self-aware someone becomes, the more they are aware of their identity, the more tolerant or the more accepting they would be. That is not necessarily true.

DEBBIE: I didn’t realize that. I thought it meant —

ELIAS: Therefore, —

DEBBIE: — the more the man was self-aware…

ELIAS: No. And therefore with that, you also are expressing that you are writing your columns in a manner that is accepting of everyone and that is promoting that. How would you be accepting and promoting of this individual? Which I would say it’s very likely you would very much disagree with this individual – but, that doesn’t mean that you can’t be accepting of them. But this individual, let us be clear, would likely be in the direction of they’re going to reclaim this land by whatever means is necessary, and that includes they might be willing to kill other humans to reclaim that land. That’s how important it is. (Pause)

PHILIP: Well, I guess I don’t know.

ELIAS: (Laughs) But it’s an important question to ponder, because I know that it IS important to you to be accepting, and I know that this IS important to you to be writing in the capacity that you would be honoring of all people and that you would be attempting to promote that acceptance. Therefore it’s important to consider these directions and these possibilities, because they’re very real. And let me express to you, that’s why there is a war happening now, because one man believes that the land in question belongs to his people, to his country, and is willing to take it back by any means possible. And he has a lot of means at his disposal, and he’s willing to use them. But that is because he genuinely believes that this land belongs to him – to his country, to his people, not simply to him individually. There are many people in the world that want to make this man into a monster, and maybe he IS a monster in this focus. But it doesn’t matter; he’s doing what he believes is right.

This is the problem with the right and the wrong, but duplicity is not going away. And in that, this is also the problem of the lack of acceptance. You see, this is a man that is moving in the direction of his identity, and he believes what he’s doing. If he were accepting of differences, he may not agree with the people that occupy the land that he believes is his, but he might be willing to engage a different direction than war.

Now, he wouldn’t be engaging a different direction than war otherwise, because none of you know what that direction is yet, because none of you have actually (chuckles) MOVED in that direction yet. One country doesn’t approach another country and express, “Perhaps we can BOTH occupy this land,” or “Perhaps we don’t need to have separate countries.” That’s not something you have explored yet, and therefore you don’t have those experiences yet. The experience that you have is one country wages war on another country and they conquer, and one country is the conqueror and the other country is the slaves, and that’s what you have done throughout your entire history. Therefore, you don’t know what the exploration is yet of what other choices you have – but that’s another part of this Shift, is choice; recognizing that you have more than one choice. You always have choices, and there’s always more than one, and there’s always more than two.

And in that, everything isn’t black and white. Everything isn’t either-or. But these are all the questions involved with differences and what you do with them. It’s not as simple as the black and white makes it seem. It’s not as simple as “I can accept that other people think differently from myself. I can accept that someone else’s truth is different from myself.” Do you? Most of the time you don’t, because then when it comes to the specifics, you don’t.

You want the other person to reflect YOUR guidelines and what is important to you, and when they don’t you’re offended, and you become irritated. You become mad. There’s a reason that you use the word “mad” interchangeable with irritation, because madness is what? Lunacy. And when you’re mad, you act like a lunatic. Why? Because you don’t see what your choices are. You’re threatened and you are lashing out, like any other animal.

And what does that bring us to? It brings us to your aliens, which is just like you! (Chuckles) That now you have your own aliens among you with the other, and your aliens from other planets, your extraterrestrials, are watching you and shaking their heads and saying, “No, no, no. They are not safe to visit.” (Laughs) “They can’t even accept their own selves!”

DEBBIE: Right. Oh boy.

ELIAS: (Laughs) “These are not safe creatures.” (Laughs.) “Lions are safer than you!” (Laughs)

DEBBIE: Right. Yikes!

ELIAS: CROCODILES are safer than you, and (chuckles) lions are safer than crocodiles. (Laughs, and Philip chuckles)

I would say to you, my dear friends, these are excellent, excellent subjects, because it gives you something to contemplate and to recognize it’s important to honor your own identity because you are the center of the universe. It’s also important to know that the reason that you don’t accept differences is because it threatens you.

How can that threaten you? If you genuinely are confident in your identity, if you genuinely are confident in yourself and your guidelines and you keep your guidelines to you, then differences can’t threaten you. What are they going to do to you? Nothing. Because who’s creating your reality? You are. Therefore, what can threaten you? Nothing. (Pause)

DEBBIE: I wanted to talk more about the identity, because at that point you said as we’re moving more through the Shift how important it was to have a firm sense of our identity. And yet, now the more I’m listening, I’m getting it confused. It’s not like who we are as our essence self; it’s really who we are in this focus, the identity – which is our story – and like you’re saying with our guidelines and this and that. So it’s trickier than I… It shouldn’t be, but because we’ve accumulated so much that isn’t us, through our attachments and our constructs and our behavior, that went for so long, and unwinding that, it seems like it shouldn’t be a problem to find out what our identity is but I’m still unsure. But you know, you speak —

ELIAS: All of those things that you mentioned, —


ELIAS: Those are all what you do or what you think.

DEBBIE: Right.

ELIAS: That’s not who you are.

DEBBIE: So how do we find out who you are? It was exciting to find Phil finding that excitement and joy and motivation again to do that. So I’m like, that’s on the right track. You know, in that, in that sense of identity where I think of —

ELIAS: And you are also, with all of the things that you enjoy and that you love to do and that you have fun with. That’s all the same.

DEBBIE: Right. Okay.

ELIAS: How do you find yourself? You look at all of the things that you enjoy, all of the things that are important to you, all of the things that bring you joy.

DEBBIE: Right. Okay.

ELIAS: That’s how you find who you are. And you do that by observing what you’re doing.

DEBBIE: Right. Right.

ELIAS: Because what you’re thinking isn’t necessarily who you are. (Pause)


ELIAS: But I understand what you’re saying, because you can be taught in certain manners and then you think that’s who you are – and it may not be. And in that, once again, what we were discussing in our previous conversation in relation to genders, there are generations of people that have been taught and have learned to accept their particular gender as part of their identity and it may not be. That they may identify themselves as a male or a female individual because that’s what they’ve been taught, but that may not actually be correct. It may not be genuine. They may BE “other.”

DEBBIE: Right. Well, isn’t that interesting? That it’s like questioning me down to nothing, because looking even at my past, whether it’s a role as a mother, which LEANS in that direction of female, or all my, let’s say, sexuality, from coming up, so much were trauma responses, my behaviors were. So I’m sitting here going (laughs)… So, I don’t know, you know? Because I know what I expressed wasn’t necessarily who I was naturally; it was a result of. So here I am going, “I don’t even know. Am I female?” you know type of thing. Because we don’t even know how to converse with each other to start the reflections and start the questioning and start those great conversations. But that’s just one area! (Laughs)

ELIAS: It is. (Debbie laughs) Although that is a very, very important area because in your reality, that’s a very strong factor and element of identity, in your reality. People move in a very strong… expression of their own identity in relation to their gender. You identify yourself by your name, by your gender, and then by this elusive piece that some people label as their mind, some people label as their spirit, this elusive piece that is you, that is your inner self. But that’s intertwined with your gender and your name.

This is the reason that your name is very important, and that some people – not many, there aren’t many people that do this – but some people will change their name because they don’t feel their identity with the name they were given, and then they generate much more of an identity with themself with the name that they choose. This also moves in the direction of transgendered individuals: they change their name when they change their gender, because your name is a very big part of your identity. You’re not John.

DEBBIE: Right. Right.

ELIAS: In this, recognizing that piece about gender IS very – it’s as important as your name. And how you decipher that piece of gender – if you are part of these generations that were taught either-or, there are only two and there’s nothing else – if you are part of those generations – which you are – how you begin to decipher that piece about gender is you begin looking at your sexuality. Sexuality is a very important piece also, in relation to identity and gender.

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People that are “other” don’t relate as strongly in relation to sexuality. That doesn’t mean that they don’t have ANY sexuality – although some don’t, but for the most part it doesn’t mean that they don’t have any sexuality at all, and it doesn’t mean that you can’t participate in and perform certain roles, such as being a parent, being a mother. It doesn’t mean that you can’t perform certain acts of gestation and birth, because “other” does incorporate the genitals and the organs of a male or a female or none. They can do it all. Therefore, they may be partially male or partially female or neither.

DEBBIE: Right. Right.

ELIAS: But the one piece that is also significant: You will hear and listen to people that move in the direction of transgender or people that move in the direction genuinely of being homosexual – not any of the other identities, but simply homosexual, male or female. They identify with their gender. When you speak with most of these individuals, they will make statements that they have had inklings or have somewhat known that they were either in the direction of transgendered or in the direction of homosexuality from very young ages, that they knew that they could feel that when they were very young.

Now; an individual that is “other,” from very young ages, again, they will have had a sense of not being either. From very young ages they will have accepted that they were partially male or female, but that they don’t actually think of themselves as a boy or a girl. That they will move in the direction of compliance, because they’re young and because they don’t perceive they have any other choice, but inwardly they don’t actually view themselves as being a boy OR a girl. They view themselves as being neither, that they aren’t both, but they’re not one or the other. This is something that is very similar to these other expressions. Humans know intrinsically from the time they are very young in age. They simply have a sense of themself. Now, THAT is more of the identity.

Now, there are definitely humans that from the time they are very small children know they are boys, know they are girls, and they are very rooted in that and they’re very happy in that. That’s the difference, that they’re very rooted in it, and children that are “other” are not rooted in either.

DEBBIE: Okay. (Sighs) Oh.

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