Lessening Separation with the Subjective Awareness
“Lessening Separation with the Subjective Awareness”
“Awareness of Choices and Health”
Friday, April 14, 2023 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Nuno (Lystell)
ELIAS: Good morning!
NUNO: Good morning!
ELIAS: (Laughs) And what shall we discuss?
NUNO: Ah, an excellent beginning: what shall we discuss? (Elias laughs) Let’s get some quick things out of the way here. I was just talking to Michael and I suddenly got like – I’m not sure if this is an impression or not – but am I counterparts of Frank?
NUNO: Ah! So he’s had all these wonderful experiences, a lot of which are things that I wanted to experience for a long time. It’s amazing how closely they match. And does the fact that a counterpart has had these experiences, does that preclude me from having those experiences?
ELIAS: No, not necessarily. I would say that if you don’t have them physically, then you do have them anyway because you have that counterpart action. But that doesn’t mean that you can’t have the same experiences or similar experiences because you are a counterpart, and actually quite the opposite, that many times because you have a counterpart action with another individual who might be actually actualizing many things that you want to do or you want to experience, their experiences in a manner of speaking help you to move in the direction that YOU want to move in.
NUNO: Well, I think that’s really good because I really want these experiences. I mean, it’s just amazing how closely his experiences match what I want to accomplish.
ELIAS: And that’s excellent, because in that, in being counterparts, that aids you in accomplishing those same actions.
NUNO: Excellent. While on the subject, am I counterparts with Markus as well?
NUNO: Yeah. That one I was quite sure about. Okay. Well that’s all very interesting and motivating, I suppose. (Elias laughs) So I’ve been thinking about and giving consideration to separation. And I’ve—
ELIAS: (Inaudible) separation?
ELIAS: Or the subject of separation in general?
NUNO: Well, more like the types of separation.
ELIAS: Very well.
NUNO: I’ve identified separation from my objective reality, which is what you usually discuss. There’s a separation between myself and the body consciousness which is quite extreme. And there’s a separation between myself and my subjective awareness. Well, first of all, do you agree with this?
NUNO: Okay. So the objective reality is something, it’s kind of a work in progress and I kind of have a handle on that, the separation with that. The thing though that really caught my attention was the separation with the body consciousness, and it occurred to me that if I can reduce that separation with the body consciousness that this probably can be quite beneficial to me. Would you agree with that?
ELIAS: I very much would agree.
NUNO: And so I’ve been doing some experiments with trying to reduce that. I’m not really sure if I’m going in the right direction or not with that, but I was wondering if you could give me some ideas on how to reduce the separation with the body consciousness?
ELIAS: (Pause) It’s a matter of moving in the direction of genuinely recognizing and knowing that the body does not have a mind of its own. It doesn’t do anything on its own. (Slowly and clearly) It literally does nothing on its own. It is entirely dependent on your instruction of it.
Now; that doesn’t mean that you’re always aware of your instruction of it, because you instruct it for the most part – not only, but for the most part – subjectively. Therefore the first piece is becoming more entuned, in a manner of speaking, with that aspect of you that is subjective awareness, and therefore being more aware that that is the part of you that is instructing most of the functions and dysfunctions of the body.
In this, your body is something that it has many, many moving parts and many, many functions but without the instruction of you, it doesn’t function at all. Therefore what I would say is, many people identify themselves, their own identity, as being the mind. That that’s not your brain, but that your mind is what makes you you. That’s your identity or part of it and defining who you are.
Now; let us simply say that that may be the manner in which you might define yourself. And in that, it would be a matter of looking at the mind and recognizing that there are different parts of that, different parts of you, that are involved as the mind. And in that, part of that is expressed objectively and part of it is expressed subjectively.
Now; the subjective part of that is not what psychology expresses as “unconscious,” because it’s actually NOT hidden from you. It’s simply that you are very accustomed to not paying attention to it. (Pause)
Are you understanding thus far?
NUNO: Yes, I am.
ELIAS: Very well. Now; in that, if you are beginning that lessening of separation, especially in relation to the body consciousness, it’s a matter of being aware and beginning to pay attention to that part of you that instructs the body in how to function, regardless of what the function is, even if it’s what you think of as a dysfunction. You are instructing the body to do that. The first direction that you can begin paying attention to is associated with the energy that you are expressing.
Now; how you do that is you begin being aware of your energy objectively, meaning how you’re projecting it and, in a manner of speaking, how that feels in relation to how you’re projecting energy, because how you project energy subjectively is very much the same. In that, it’s all you, and therefore you generally aren’t projecting energy tremendously different whether it’s objective or subjective. Therefore if you are familiar with how you’re projecting energy objectively, you can become familiar with how you’re projecting it subjectively. And in that, it makes it easier for you to pay attention to the subjective movement because you’re already familiar with how energy is projected. And there IS a projection of energy in relation to the body consciousness because in that, the subjective awareness IS projecting energy in directing it with the body or to the body.
In this, this is the part in which you recognize that this is YOU that’s directing and that the body doesn’t have a mind of its own, and that it isn’t making choices on its own. It doesn’t make choices at all.
When I say that the body communicates, it does by how it’s functioning or by the feelings that it produces, but even all of that is directed by the subjective awareness. Your subjective awareness has avenues of communication which make it not subconscious, that you can be aware of, such as feelings and impressions and communications from the body in many different capacities, not only feelings. And in that, I would say that also your intuition is another subjective communication, that is designed to give you information.
Now; in all of this I would say that the more you move in the direction of recognizing that these are all avenues that you’re communicating to yourself, not in theory, not only intellectually, but genuinely in relation to what you are expressing. That that’s not separate, it’s all YOU. It’s all one entity. It’s all one thing, if you will. YOU are all one thing. You simply have many different working parts.
And in that, it’s very similar to looking at the different working parts of the body consciousness, such as your arms and your legs and your head and your organs. These are all parts of you that are moving parts and working parts, if you will, but they’re all part of you. They all make up the physical manifestation of you.
Now; what would you say is your biggest challenge in relation to minimizing or eliminating that separation with the body?
NUNO: Well, I think from what you just said, I started out by saying that my biggest challenge was the separation with the body consciousness but I think in actuality it’s the separation with the subjective awareness. I tend to view the subjective awareness as being rather mysterious and operating behind my back and… And because you already had expressed to me some time ago that the subjective awareness is what directs the body consciousness, I was kind of suspicious of it I guess, because as far as the objective, my objective awareness goes, it appears that the subjective awareness is working against what I want, against my choices, against proper functioning of the body consciousness. So to answer your question, I think it’s actually more having to do with the separation with the subjective awareness.
ELIAS: Very well. Now; in that, it’s a matter of as I said recognizing that that’s YOU. It’s simply another part of you, just as your leg is a part of you or your heart is a part of you. And if you remove your heart physically from your body, your body won’t function. If you remove your subjective awareness, it won’t function either. You won’t be in physical focus if you remove your subjective awareness. In that, it’s not actually so mysterious. It’s you. Therefore what I would say is, if you are moving in a direction of attempting, to INITIALLY make it easier, I would say you could begin by thinking of your subjective awareness as the feeling part of you.
Now; I will say to you, because I know that you share our conversations, I will make a statement about that. (Slowly and clearly) I am saying that specifically to you. Not as in general, because it isn’t that your feelings are your subjective awareness. That is very incorrect. I’m merely expressing to you, Lystell, that you could temporarily, to bridge this gap in a manner of speaking, move in the direction of making an association that your feelings are your subjective awareness. Your subjective awareness does communicate to you through your feelings, but temporarily you could express that to give yourself an avenue to integrate that part of you as being you, and not separating it out as something different from you. That you don’t separate your feelings out from being you. You feel what you feel and you automatically associate that your feelings are yours and that they are a part of you. You don’t think of your feelings as being separate from you, whereas you almost think of your subjective awareness as being something separate from you. Therefore, if you temporarily make an association that your subjective awareness is the feeling part of you, then you can actually relate to it more, or relate to yourself in that more, and not be thinking of it as something that is separate or a separate part of you, but that it IS you because your feelings ARE you. They’re not something separate from you.
In this also, I would say that for you that could be very helpful because that does, in a manner of speaking, move in the direction of what is happening in relation to the communications to the body consciousness. If you’re feeling stressed, it affects the body. If you’re feeling excited, it affects the body. If you’re feeling sad, it affects the body. Regardless of what you feel, it affects your body, and your body responds to what you feel because it’s being prompted, which is what the subjective awareness does. It prompts the body to function in certain capacities. Therefore whatever you feel is prompting the body to function in a particular manner. If you are significantly excited, it will prompt your body to raise or increase your blood pressure. If you are anxious or stressed, it will prompt your body to raise your blood pressure. Therefore you can understand how this equates to a communication or an instruction with the body consciousness from the subjective awareness, how it’s prompting the body to function in certain capacities, regardless of whether those functions are in your estimation good or bad.
In this, you also will recognize that physical feelings also act as prompts. If you have a physical feeling with your bladder being full, it prompts you in a certain function, in a certain action. If you feel a pain, it will prompt you to pay attention to that because your body is communicating to you to address to something.
Are you understanding?
ELIAS: Very well. Therefore this might help you to lessen that separation between what you think of as you and your objective expression and you as your subjective expression, if you pay attention to it in regard to what you feel.
NUNO: Okay. I will definitely follow up on that. I had a question about the subjective awareness in general. I was wondering if essence – now when I’m saying essence now, I’m talking about what I call pure essence and what I mean by pure essence, I mean essence that is not engaged in an objective reality. It’s not engaged in a focus, such as yourself, let us say. And I wondering if –
ELIAS: Very well.
NUNO: And I was wondering then if this kind of essence simply has subjective awareness. It is the only awareness that essence has. Is this correct?
ELIAS: (Pause) Yes.
NUNO: Okay. That was my theory. And all of this other stuff, such as the objective awareness, the body consciousness and whatever else, it’s all just—
ELIAS: And perception.
NUNO: And perception, yes. And perception especially. That’s all just baggage that the focus carries?
ELIAS: That’s all associated with the focus in physical reality, yes, because it’s all associated with matter and physical expressions and the manipulation of them, which is different. Outside of physical reality, that’s not necessary.
NUNO: Okay. That’s what I already had figured out for myself.
NUNO: I just wanted to confirm that with you. So I was listening to your discussion with that individual that had manifested a brain tumor, and one of the things that came up in that discussion was obviously that that person had manifested that without awareness that that’s what they were doing. And so, kind of in tune with my wanting to basically continuously keep the body consciousness healthy as we discussed last time, I would like to know: what is it that I can do to avoid manifestations of that nature? Manifesting disease. How can I avoid that?
ELIAS: By paying attention to what I was just expressing to you. Because in that, now this individual manifested that over a time framework of years, that brain tumor, and it was associated with trauma.
That because of the trauma, that was how the body reacted to the trauma, and to the ongoing behaviors that were associated with the trauma, ongoing behaviors in relationships, ongoing behaviors that were influenced by the trauma. Anyone who has trauma has also developed behaviors that are a result, in a manner of speaking, of the trauma that they have experienced. And in that, there are many different expressions of (pause) behaviors that have been adopted by these individuals in relation to protecting themselves, in relation to not protecting themselves and what they’ve learned, and therefore placing themselves in situations that are comparable. Maybe not precisely the same, but comparable to the trauma that they have experienced, and the behaviors that they’ve adopted from what they know and what they’ve learned in relation to becoming perpetrators themselves, because there is no victim without other side of it, of being a perpetrator. They move hand in glove. You can’t have one without the other.
Therefore I would say it’s a matter of looking at your experiences – and it doesn’t have to be trauma, it could be issues that have been developed – and in that, looking at those experiences and once again, as I expressed to you, looking at what you feel. And I reiterate: this is not for everyone. This is for YOU. And in that, you looking at what you feel in relation to your behaviors and your behaviors in relation to what you’ve learned and what you’ve developed, then in that, examining that and looking at what different feelings not only communicate to you, but how they affect the body. How does the body react? Because the body does react. That’s the point in relation to the body being instructed. Just as you can visit a physician and they can test your reflexes by using that small hammer and knocking it against a particular point in your knee, your body will react to that. It feels something and it reacts.
In this, that’s what I’m expressing to you, is that if you are looking at what you feel and you’re looking at how those feelings generate reactions with the body, that will be a significant help to you, an indicator of what is happening, what is being instructed.
Do you understand?
ELIAS: Excellent. Because in that, as you recognize that what you are feeling is affecting the body, basically then you’re making a connection of the instruction, the communication of the subjective awareness to the body, and how it’s instructing it to react, to function. Basically everything that the subjective awareness is instructing the body with is creating a reaction. The body is reacting to every instruction. (Pause)
NUNO: Okay. I believe I understand that, and I will pay more attention to my feelings and make that connection with how the body consciousness is being instructed.
NUNO: Do you have any suggestions – I believe you’ve talked about this in the past – but regeneration of eyesight would be something that is kind of the top of my list of regenerating, things that I want to regenerate. Do you have any suggestions for that?
ELIAS: In addition to the inner landscape, I would express generating exercises with your eyes. What I would say is, the exercise that I have offered previously is an excellent one for encouraging improvement in vision, which is to close your eyes, relax them and keep them closed for approximately 20 to 30 seconds. Then open them quickly and focus on the first thing that you see. Don’t choose something ahead of time. Allow your sight to connect with whatever it does in the moment. In that, it may be something far away. It may be something close to you. It’s a matter of whatever it is, focus on that object until it becomes clear.
Now; if it doesn’t become clear, don’t fight with it, and don’t judge that. Simply relax your eyes and then massage around your eyes very lightly. Attempt the exercise again. And if the object, whatever it is that you first focus on, still doesn’t become clear, it’s not important. It will eventually. You may have to continue that exercise for a time framework. You may have to do that perhaps two or three times a day and you might have to do it for a couple of weeks, but it should help to improve.
Now; I would also say that it’s a matter of also identifying what you have difficulty in focusing on, if it’s something far away, if it’s something close up, and in that throughout the day practice looking at different objects in relation to those distances. But only for a few seconds. Don’t force it. You don’t want to create strain. You simply want to be encouraging and you want to be expressing that communication to the subjective awareness. And you do that by action, not by thinking.
NUNO: Thank you for that. In terms of regeneration and alternatives to the inner landscape, I kind of have a preference for using my energy and directing my energy into the body consciousness with the intent to regenerate and heal. I’d like to know if I’ve had any success with that and how effective I am being with that.
ELIAS: (Pause) I would say moderately. Yes, you have had some success and I would say that it’s moderately affecting. I would express to you basically what you already know, is that this is the reason we’re having the conversation that we are today in relation to less separation and the subjective awareness, because that has a bearing on how successful you are.
NUNO: I was considering going back to the inner landscape, but as I say, I have a preference for doing it with my energy instead.
ELIAS: You may, and you can. And I would not discourage you from that at all. I would say that the more you actually are also moving in a direction of lessening that separation with the subjective awareness, the more likely you will be more successful in what you’re doing with your energy work.
NUNO: Okay. I have noticed that when I do that, when I direct my energy let’s say towards the body consciousness, that if I’m being effective or when I believe I’m being effective, that action is often accompanied by the sensation of the pulsations of consciousness. Is that related somehow?
ELIAS: Yes. Because you have moved in that direction of generating this energy work, in a manner of speaking, in connecting yourself with consciousness and moving in the direction of incorporating more of your energy as essence into your physical focus, I would say that that is a validation and an indicator that you’re making that connection.
NUNO: Another thing that came out in that conversation about the brain tumor was something that you had said previously but it actually caught my attention in that discussion in particular, was that we begin manifesting things potentially a long time before they actually appear in physical reality. And—
NUNO: How can I become aware of what I am manifesting futurely?
ELIAS: (Pause) That’s the part about being more self-aware and intentional and therefore beginning to generate foresight rather than hindsight.
[The timer for the end of the session rings]
The more self-aware you become, the more you pay attention to choice, the more you will begin to see the potentials in each choice that you make. Which includes choices that you think of as being small.
Now; I have expressed many times that choice is choice and there’s no difference between choosing something such as purchasing a vehicle and what you’re consuming for lunch.
Now; the more self-aware you become, the more you will understand that because of the implication. What you have for lunch affects your body. Therefore it’s equally as important, in a different direction. But in that, it’s affecting of your health, which is what you think of as the bigger picture. In this, all of your choices are important. All of your choices are significant and you’re making choices every moment.
Let me say to you in addition to that, something very simple and what seems automatic, the choice to respond to a prompt to relieve your bladder or not. That’s a choice, and let me say to you, many times many people choose not to respond to that prompt immediately. And in that choice, you’re also potentially affecting your physical health, because in not responding to that prompt right away in your terms, you move in a direction of encouraging dysfunction of your bladder and even dysfunction of your kidneys. In that, you don’t think about that because you don’t pay attention to that. You don’t pay attention to how choices are affecting your physical body and your physical manifestation.
But this is precisely what you are asking about. And in this, once again, I would say that if YOU are paying attention to feeling in every capacity, then you will become more aware of the subjective communications and instructions of the body, and you’ll become more aware of how you’re responding or not responding to them and therefore you can become more aware of what will actually influence in the body in relation to manifestations that are being developed.
If you are being responsible with the body, then you will be responding to it in relation to how it functions and you’ll be aware of when you are responding differently or you’re not responding to it, that you are also generating a potential to be creating something in relation to how it’s functioning – or dysfunctioning.
NUNO: Okay. Thank you. That’s quite a bit of information I need to process.
ELIAS: You are very welcome. I’ve been using obvious examples, but in that, as I’ve expressed, if you’re paying attention to what you are feeling in every capacity then you will be much more entuned to the functioning and the dysfunctioning of the body.
NUNO: It’s been then a fruitful discussion today.
ELIAS: (Laughs) Excellent! I shall greatly be looking forward to our next conversation, my dear friend, and more of your evaluations AND perhaps your accomplishment in relation to your interaction in being more aware and less separate with yourself in your subjective awareness.
In tremendous love and affection to you, my dear friend, as always, until our next meeting, au revoir.
NUNO: Au revoir.
(Elias departs after 58 minutes)
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