Session 202302211

ECT Treatments; Time Travelers; Cat Care


“ECT Treatments and the Tapping Exercise”
“Time Traveler”
“Food and Water for Cats”
“Transition Associated with Shifting”

Tuesday, February 21, 2023 (Private/Phone)

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Ben (Sumarian)

ELIAS: Good afternoon!

BEN: Hello, Elias. I’m back faster than I thought.

ELIAS: I see that. (Both laugh)

BEN: I guess it wasn’t enough the last time. So I have all kinds of small curiosities that we can discuss, if that’s okay?

ELIAS: Very well.

BEN: You know, today I was thinking about my desire and I sort of all of a sudden said perhaps what motivates me is connecting with people, locations, landscapes, objects. Anything that I can connect with usually gets me going. (Pause) Is that correct?

ELIAS: I would say yes, I would agree.

BEN: I initially said curiosity, but curiosity’s just an avenue for expressing that. It’s an action.

ELIAS: Correct.

BEN: Because I found out that connecting, usually in challenging situations that’s the first thing that I do. If I get to a new location or I have some hardship, I very quickly connect with anything. It could be a small object or a shop or a person or the weather. And usually once I do that, I get going again.

ELIAS: I understand.

BEN: All right.


BEN: Yes?

ELIAS: No, I am asking you. And any other assessment about that?

BEN: About my desire, no. That’s what came intuitively, so that’s what I stayed with.

ELIAS: Very well. Yes.

BEN: Are you saying that there is another element, that I should maybe connect with it and I would identify it?

ELIAS: No. No. I was simply asking if that was all.

BEN: Oh, okay. I was wondering something else. Years ago, when I was in a really hard spot, I did some ECT treatments, which is electrical currents sent to the brain, very small currents. And it somehow transformed my situation, and I was wondering at that time if I exchanged either primary aspect or probable self or something, because it was a bit surprising to come out of the situation that seemed then to be almost unreversible.

ELIAS: (Pause) Let me say to you, when you create a probable self it doesn’t replace you. It simply is creating another you in a probable reality that is engaging a different path than yourself.

Now; is it that you changed primary aspect of yourself? No. But what you did do was release a strongly held energy, which was blocking you from moving forward.

BEN: Oh, and that was assisted quite strongly with the ECT treatments which actually almost performed like an electromagnetic reset to the brain.

ELIAS: Yes. Which can be very instrumental for some people. It isn’t always successful for everyone or anyone, but for some people it can be very successful and it can be very instrumental.

BEN: And it seems similar, not in magnitude but similar to the action for example that you described, like tapping your fingers that helps dislodge traumas or habits from the right hemisphere and allow them to move to the left.

ELIAS: Correct.

BEN: Oh. That’s what I thought. This was just like a big chunk released almost in the period of a month and a half, so it was really surprising, a really big change.

ELIAS: Yes. But I would say actually very similarly in generating that exercise with the tapping and moving a memory from one hemisphere of the brain to the other, when you do that or when an individual does that action, it also is somewhat dramatic in the change that occurs with the person.

BEN: I was wondering with that tapping exercise, when I’m drumming I’m actually doing something similar but I don’t think it has the effect because my hands are alternating between, for example, two elements on the drum kit. But it’s a different action, right?

ELIAS: Yes. You are correct.

BEN: Hm. Okay. Last week I was hiking in the mountains, in the remote mountains in the south of the country, beautiful location, and I saw this young guy wearing this blue athletic suit which initially I dismissed as another hiker. But then I noticed that he wasn’t wearing a backpack, he was walking alone, and I said that’s not usual. And I went to look for him, and of course he was gone. So was that another visit from my supporting essence, or was this something else?

ELIAS: (Pause) Actually, that was something that you likely shouldn’t have seen. But in that, what I would say to you is what you saw was a time traveler.

BEN: Oh!

ELIAS: Generally speaking, individuals that are generating that action from the future are careful not to be seen, or if they are seen to blend in, in a manner that an individual would likely not pay any attention to them.

BEN: But if you want to blend in in a desert area, you wouldn’t wear blue.

ELIAS: (Laughs) Correct. That’s the reason I am expressing you were not necessarily meant to see that. (Laughs)

BEN: I’m not sure that he saw me, because there was some bushes and his head was sort of pointed down. He looked a bit depressed or trying to stay out of sight. So this is like just accidental, what we would call, that he was time traveling? It didn’t have anything to do with me?

ELIAS: No, it didn’t have anything to do with you intentionally, but I would say that it was something that you noticed and in that, I would say for you it would be similar to seeing an extraterrestrial.

BEN: Oh!

ELIAS: Something that is not usual and that is surprising to observe or to see. But that you did it in a manner that you weren’t actually engaging. You simply briefly saw the individual. Therefore—

BEN: Could I have interacted with him?

ELIAS: Likely not.

BEN: Oh. So he wasn’t aware of me in the same manner?

ELIAS: Correct.

BEN: Okay. Okay, that’s interesting. I like that. I was wondering, that city that I visit quite often, Eilat, I think it strongly resonates with my energy. Right?

ELIAS: Yes, I would agree.

BEN: And I was wondering. I visited Porto in Portugal a few months ago and I also felt something dramatic about the area and the people and the landscape. Is that resonating as well? Or is that a neutral place?

ELIAS: I would say no, you resonate with that place also.

BEN: We mentioned once that I resonate with mountainous areas that are close to bodies of water, and I recognize that all the time.


BEN: Okay. When I was in England a few months ago, I was at this boot fair and I was trying on a hat and this guy next to me looked at me and complimented me on the hat, even though I thought it didn’t look good. And then he mumbled something like, “You got me into another mess, didn’t you?” And I was wondering: what mess did I get him into?

ELIAS: He wasn’t talking to you.

BEN: Oh. Okay, that cleared that one up. (Elias laughs) Okay, something about dreams and waking state. I had a dream a while ago and in the dream I came up with this term that I called transparent self-awareness. And I remember trying to define it in the dream and then afterwards in waking state. And it seemed to me that transparent self-awareness is a type of state of being where self-awareness becomes transparent in the sense that it’s expressed and expands and it’s an ongoing action. And I don’t necessarily have to pay attention to it or direct it.

ELIAS: I would say—

BEN: Is that close?

ELIAS: I would say that that is definitely an interesting identification of the experience, and I would agree with you. Yes.

BEN: Oh.

ELIAS: I like your wording.

BEN: You said you like the wording?


BEN: Yeah, I liked it too. Okay. So my assessment is more or less accurate. Okay. I have been noticing changes in the dream state and changes in the waking state which I think are indicating the same continued mergence of objective and subjective and a lessening of the seeming separation. And one of them is that during dreams recently, I started noticing that I’m able to respond or be surprised or choose my responses, and that sort of tells me that I know in some respects that I’m dreaming.


BEN: And for example, I met my mother and I held her hand and I felt the warmth of her hand, which really surprised me and I woke up. And that says that actually I realized that this was a dream, and even though the experience was real, it was a bit unusual.

ELIAS: Correct. Therefore it is much, much closer to the action of lucid dreaming.

BEN: Yeah. That’s what I said, that it’s closer even though I can’t direct it at that moment, but it’s a step in that direction.

ELIAS: Most definitely. Yes.

BEN: And I had a dream. There was a shop here that I used to frequent and the shop disappeared. And I had a dream that I talked with the shop owner and she told me that she’s working temporarily from home and it was a very vivid conversation. And I think I connected with the individual and either with a potential of her working at home. Now she has a new location. That seemed like a very real interaction with her.

ELIAS: I would agree. And what I would say is, you actually generated a projection. Many times, individuals generate projections and they think they’re dreaming.

BEN: Oh, you— Okay?

ELIAS: It’s not actually a dream, but generally the person thinks it’s a dream.

BEN: I remember you mentioned once a way to tell a projection and a dream during the dream state. It’s something about either feeling – I don’t remember exactly, it’s in the transcripts, but there is a way to know.

ELIAS: There is a difference, yes.

BEN: Another thing that’s been coming up is I’ve had several dreams where I see my parents together, either having a party or traveling. And I told one of these dreams to my father and he actually validated that one of the dreams was about an action that they used to do once together. So I was wondering if I’m tapping into imagery that mother is creating now?

ELIAS: Yes. Congratulations!

BEN: Oh! Because in one of the dreams, I think I irritated both of them and it was quite funny because I have done that when she was alive. (Both laugh) Oh. So this is a good change in terms of dream state and subjective activity. I like it.

ELIAS: I would say well done.

BEN: Thanks. (Elias laughs) Now things in waking state I started noticing. When I’m driving, I have these… since I drive every day about an hour from work, I noticed that rather than looking at the road and staying in my lane, I started to be able to take in the entire landscape and the sky and my body and everything. And I can drive long stretches on the highway without even looking at the road, just sort of taking in the entire event and having a great time. Sort of like flying an airplane. What is that, apart from an expansion of objective awareness?

ELIAS: I would say that IS what it is. What do you mean, apart from that?

BEN: I thought… I don’t know what I asked. (Elias laughs) That’s what I said. (Both laugh) Okay, so I’m complicating. So that’s a good enough explanation, because that’s what I thought.


BEN: Something I’m curious about. My mother’s car broke down when my father was driving, and he brought it to the shop. And it’s still in the shop, four months later, even though I intervened and I got the mechanic parts that he was missing. And I was wondering if this imagery is either stay out of other people’s business, or there’s something going on between my father and the mechanic and my mother that I’m not aware of?

ELIAS: I would say it is not necessarily between your father and the mechanic and your mother, but rather simply your father and the mechanic, mostly your father. And I would also agree that it’s not something that is necessary for you to involve yourself with. It doesn’t involve you. Therefore it’s not necessary for you to involve yourself.

BEN: Yeah, I said that several times and then I said maybe you should be the good little son, so you won’t have to hear about this car still being in the shop. So I sort of wanted to get it out of my way. (Both laugh)

ELIAS: I would say that if you don’t want to hear about it, then you can say that. You can express to your father that if this is bothersome to him, then to change it, and that there’s no involvement with you, and that you don’t necessarily want to hear about it.

BEN: Yeah. Yeah.

ELIAS: He can change it.

BEN: He can change it if he wants. It’s a habitual, personal responsibility that I can quite easily take for anyone.

ELIAS: Yes. And I very strongly encourage you not to.

BEN: Yeah. Okay, that’s good to hear. I had a Russian family a few months ago living down the hall, and one of their kids was called Nathan, a nine-year-old boy which I really got along with even though we didn’t speak each other’s languages. One day when I was looking at him, he seemed like he could have been in some focus some type of either boat captain or expedition leader. He was a very courageous and friendly boy. Did I pick up on something from his energy?

ELIAS: Yes, you did. And I would say congratulations in that also, that you actually were that clear in your assessment in relation to another focus, actually two other focuses.

BEN: Two other focuses that I share with him, you’re saying? That’s what I picked up on?


BEN: This would not be the riverboat focus that I had. I think it’s something else.

ELIAS: Correct.

BEN: Now when we used to play with the black cat, the boy, Nathan, used to refer to him as Yazoon, which initially I thought was a Russian word but it isn’t. And I was wondering if he picked up the naming of one of the configurations of this cat?


BEN: And the only configuration that’s left is what we mentioned earlier, is the dog.

ELIAS: Correct.

BEN: So this is a dog that we both knew when we were in a certain focus together?

ELIAS: Correct.

BEN: Wow. These connections are fantastic. (Elias laughs) Is there any reason that the cat for quite a while was picky about his water? He wouldn’t drink from the bowls. He was trying to drink from the sink and one day it just stopped. And I was wondering if he was sensing something in the water? Or it was imagery for me about the sense of smell?

ELIAS: Neither. What I would say is, this is actually not a tremendously unusual action for a cat. That cats generally derive most of their water from their food. And if they’re not deriving the water from their food, let us say a cat that’s being fed primarily dry food, they don’t derive the water that they require from their food and they don’t always prefer to drink water out of a bowl. They would rather drink water that is running, that isn’t still.

BEN: Right. That’s why some people feed their cats both dry and wet food. My cat eats mostly dry food. (The cat meows)

ELIAS: I would say that that is not tremendously healthy.

BEN: Oh, that combining wet food would be more advantageous?

ELIAS: Actually what I would say in relation to the health of the cat is that they should be consuming the bulk of their diet in wet food, and that the dry food would only be a supplement. But—

BEN: Oh.

ELIAS: But that the bulk of their diet would be wet food, because cats are actually in this respect very similar to camels or alpacas or llamas. They are very similar to these types of animals. They acquire most of their water from their food source and they can store water and therefore they don’t need to drink much water, actual water, at all. In that, when they do drink water, the problem with cats that are not wild is that they do prefer to drink water that is running water and if they don’t have access to clean running water, it can be detrimental to them because it can be toxic.

BEN: What I did was I got a different type of water bowl which he seems to like very much. And he started drinking freely, so I think in that respect I found something that he prefers in the manner that he drinks water. So for now it should be better than it was before.

ELIAS: That is excellent, but I would definitely suggest that you alter his food and be providing him with wet food as his main bulk of his diet, because cats are very prone to kidney and urinary problems, for this reason.

BEN: Okay. So I’ll check and see if I can make that change. Great. I was wondering if my fascination with rocks in general is connected with some counterpart action or maybe a dreamwalker aspect? I just pick up rocks, not for their energetic qualities, mostly for their color and form and mass, everywhere I go.

ELIAS: And I would say you are correct, that that would be connected with the dreamwalker aspect.

BEN: A dreamwalker aspect that was involved in the formation of the earth stuff, so to speak?

ELIAS: That was involved in the formation of rocks.

BEN: Oh! Wow. That explains why I get totally hypnotized when I’m in the mountains or climbing mountains. I can’t get enough of it. Great. There was this other guy in this shop that I used to say hi to whenever I bought stuff in their store, and twice within two weeks, one time he almost ran me over with his bike and the second time I almost hit him with my car. And then it stopped, so (laughs) I was wondering, was this something with counterpart action? Or some left over energy from another focus bleeding into here?

ELIAS: (Pause) No, to the latter. Yes, to the former.

BEN: What, counterpart action?


BEN: Oh. Okay. I think it’s been resolved for now, the energy has been dissipating.

ELIAS: I would agree.

(The timer for the end of the session rings)

BEN: I am still engaging elements with transition, right?


BEN: Oh, I thought so. Does that affect the sensation sometime throughout the day that time is almost literally not moving, that it’s just absent?

ELIAS: It can. It’s not something that does all the time, but it can. Yes. This is the type of transition that is associated with shifting, not with disengaging or connecting with other aspects of your life but simply in relation to your ability to be shifting and not engaging trauma in relation to shifting. Therefore yes, it can affect your perception about time.

BEN: Okay. Since the buzzer went off, we will end so Mary can come back and we will probably continue to interact futurely. It’s been very interesting, a lot of nice things. Thank you, Elias.

ELIAS: You are very welcome, my friend. I shall greatly be looking forward to our next conversation. And I express tremendous support to you.

BEN: Thank you.

ELIAS: In wondrous love and dear friendship as always, au revoir.

BEN: Bye-bye.

(Elias departs after 32 minutes)

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