Session 202302021

Pushing to Control Vs. Relaxing and Receiving


“Pushing to Control Vs. Relaxing and Receiving”
“You Create the Consequences”
“Letting Down the Swords of Judgment”
“You Don’t Change Beliefs, But You Choose Their Influences”
“Foresight and Likelihoods”

Thursday, February 2, 2023 (Private/Phone)

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Ann (Vivette)

ELIAS: Good morning!

ANN: Good morning, Elias. Good morning.

ELIAS: (Laughs) And how shall we begin?

ANN: Well, I guess I’m going to start with… It’s interesting. Last night I had this dream, and I was skiing down a hill, and there was this little opening that I had to go through. And then I saw these people walking up it and I was like, “Why are they walking up a ski hill?” And I was irritated with them, because I couldn’t go down, because they were walking up. And then I looked at these houses in the distance a little bit and then I go, “Oh, they must be walking up because it’s easier for them to get up this way and then get on the lift.” So I kind of understood and I even thought, “Oh well, I might do the same thing,” but I was still irritated. And then, as they come up through the opening they just stop and they don’t keep moving, and I said, “I’m trying to get down.” And I’m thinking about this, and I’m very irritated with them, and then they’re not moving. And I said something and then they said well okay, they’d move over a little bit so I could get through. So then I went through and went down.

But the thing to me that struck me, and I think as I woke up I was thinking about this, was the energy of it that I felt. And I don’t know if this is the correct word or not, but it just felt like this pushing energy: me pushing, me pushing. I thought , “Well, this is very familiar, this pushing,” like paying attention to what I’m doing and stuff. Like if you were to look at me, it seems like, and I’m not pushing, I feel... And here again I’m not sure if I’m using the right words, but I feel like oftentimes it’s pushing energy coming from me – pushing, I’m pushing, I’m pushing, I’m forcing, I want to make this happen, I want to make that happen, just push, push, push. And so then I had that realization, and then I thought, “Okay, all right.” I took a minute. I thought, “Well, what about getting the energy of just allowing and receiving?” So I went from feeling that push to “Just suck it in a little bit – you know, just relax, allow, receive.” And that did feel better at that time.

And so today, since this morning I’ve been feeling around push, push, push, allow, receive. I’ve just been telling myself, “Allow, receive.” And I had this conversation with Arthur yesterday, which we were talking about like if we are the world, you know, you won’t harm yourself, it’s like it’s all us; it’s us. So I was thinking, “Okay, allow, allow in me.” You know, “Allow in… myself, because I’m not going to harm myself or something, or just trust myself.” It was like, okay, trust myself, but myself is the different myself. It’s not the myself that’s like in my head, in pushing, pushing, pushing; it’s like trusting this part of myself that I don’t quite understand what it is yet, which I call essence, or I think of as my higher self. I don’t really know what that is, experientially, I don’t think.

So that’s where I’m now. Because I’ve had this energy all the time, this pushing. I just noticed this, either pushing or wanting to fix or wanting to do. It’s this energy going out, and I’m not sure if I’m blocking receiving because of that. Anyhow, this is all very new and in my conscious awareness, so that’s what I’m thinking about.

ELIAS: I would be tremendously acknowledging of you and that you have given yourself that information, and that you allowed yourself to actually look at it and to begin to define it. Because this is something that I agree, you’ve been doing throughout your entire life, and it’s motivated by different expressions, but it’s always the same. It’s all the same. It could be that you’re being impatient with something, something isn’t happening fast enough, something’s not moving in the direction that you want it to move in, it’s something that you think you could do better than someone else and therefore you simply want them to get out of the way.

ANN: Yes.

ELIAS: And in that, I would say that a lot of it has to do with control.

ANN: Yeah.

ELIAS: And that’s why you push.

ANN: Yeah.

ELIAS: But it’s also uncomfortable.

ANN: Yeah!

ELIAS: And I would say that in that, it’s something that if you aren’t doing it, if you actually move in a direction of allowing yourself to notice and stop, that you will actually realize how much more comfortable you actually are, and how much you can breathe – which is tremendous.

ANN: Yeah. Well, it’s definitely a direction I want to go in. (Laughs) The thing is, since like you say, it’s something I’ve been doing my whole life, it just feels like… Like the thing about it is it’s like, “Oh my god, if I’m not pushing that, what do I do?” And I guess the answer is to just allow and notice.

ELIAS: Yes! To relax and allow.

ANN: Relax and allow.

ELIAS: Yes. In that, knowing that if something doesn’t happen immediately, it doesn’t matter, that there’s no enormous consequence that’s going to happen because YOU are the one that’s creating the consequences anyway.

ANN: Oh my god. Right when you said “consequence” I could feel my body go OOH, tighten up a little bit. Because I think that’s the thing that I always push, push, push, because I feel like if I don’t do something, there’s going to be (chuckles) this enormous consequence.

ELIAS: But in that, this is a matter of reminding yourself that you’re the one that’s creating the consequence.

ANN: I know! That’s like this leap of faith to realize that I am creating it. Like when I had this conversation with Arthur, and he had some things going on which I want to talk about later, but it’s all the same themes. He was talking about feeling like being a victim, we feel like we’re being a victim, like these outside sources do have authority or control over us. I mean, that’s the way (chuckles) we’ve been living. And just to try to flip it to be “No, I am the one. I am the one,” that is such an unknown perception.


ANN: Perspective, whatever. It’s like I want to get there. I want to know that. It’s just this big, blank area. And I don’t —

ELIAS: Because it’s so unfamiliar.

ANN: Yeah.

ELIAS: And in that, I very much acknowledge that and express to you that although it is tremendously unfamiliar, it’s a matter of reminding yourself that in reality, you are the one that is creating any type of consequence, even though it seems that some outside source is doing that. Because what you are drawing on is experience from when you were a child. You’re not thinking about that, but that is what creates that perception. Because in that, when you’re a child, it appears that your parents are creating the consequences.

ANN: Yeah.

ELIAS: In that, that’s what you learn, that other people, especially anyone that you perceive as an authority, THEY are the ones that create the consequences, not you. But in actuality, YOU are the ones that are creating any consequences that you experience.

ANN: So what I kind of set up for myself to play around with that is that allowing… Because I tell myself, “Okay, allow, receive from myself,” and then you have to have that trust, like the trust in myself, to trust myself. Like I wonder if going out through my day, anytime I’m interacting with what I perceive as an authority or another entity that has control or power over me, to remind myself, “This is really me —"

ELIAS: Correct.

ANN: “—coming. This is myself, and just allow what is going to happen or what is happening, allow that to happen and place it in a place of no judgment. Just allow it; it just is what it is, and receive it, almost.”

For whatever reason, this receiving and allowing feel like it’s entwined a little bit at this moment, because to allow it instead of pushing it away –

ELIAS: Correct.

ANN: – or pushing something, I’m allowing it and I’m just receiving. Whatever it is, it’s coming. It’s coming towards me, I receive it, I allow it, and I trust it.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANN: That’s about the only thing I know to do at this point!

ELIAS: Which is an excellent practice, and it’s actually challenging, because that’s not what you’re accustomed to doing.

ANN: No. Well, ... (Sighs) Okay, so —

ELIAS: It requires paying attention. It requires you to actually be aware and pay attention to what’s happening, and paying attention to what you’re doing and therefore not doing what you are accustomed to doing and what is familiar to you. THAT is challenging, because it’s two aspects that ARE challenging or difficult. One is being aware, paying attention and being aware at the time and therefore noticing, and then the second piece is doing something different, making a different choice.

ANN: Yeah. Making a different choice.


ANN: Is receiving and allowing a different choice? Or —


ANN: Yeah. Yeah.

ELIAS: Yes, it is. (Ann sighs) Because what you are accustomed to doing is pushing and controlling.

ANN: Right. Right. Oh my god. Well, one thing I will say is, it’s really becoming clearer and clearer how much I do that. I was like wow! Because you know when they say when you’re dreaming, a lot of times the energy of your dreams are like these clues and stuff? And I would never really enjoy (laughs) my dreams – and I’m like always pushing. There’s always that “pushing, pushing” underlying theme in many of my dreams. I’m like whoa! That is such an energy. I mean, I am realizing how much that energy is part of what I do – I would say 95% maybe! It’s so much. It’s just how I live. It’s like, wow! Even sometimes —

ELIAS: Which is, I would say, a tremendous amount of tension in your life.

ANN: Yeah. Oh my god.

ELIAS: And in that, that is the part that you can choose now to relax.

ANN: Yeah.

ELIAS: But I would say that you have generated some significant practice in that direction. Because in that, my dear friend, we have been discussing that subject of relaxing and breathing for quite some time. And because of that, you have actually learned how to stop and give yourself permission to relax and to do what you think of as being nothing.

ANN: Yes.

ELIAS: And that is a tremendous benefit and contributant in relation to THIS movement, being able to relax and receive. It isn’t SO difficult because you’ve already been practicing in relation to relaxing.

ANN: Yeah.

ELIAS: Not being what you think of as productive all the time, which is also part of that aspect of control. Therefore, you have been addressing to that for quite some time already.

ANN: Yeah. Yes. And I agree with that.

ELIAS: Which is tremendous.

ANN: (Sighs) Okay. So let me… I’m sure it’s going to be along the same lines and stuff, but since there are no accidents, we had contacted yesterday after a while of not having contact, and noticing their questions and curiosity, I’m like, “Oh, there’s no accidents. I’m having a session tomorrow. Let me ask about it.” So he has had this imagery of everything disappearing, a lot of it to do with technology, like charging cables disappearing or his PayPal password entry disappearing, USB stuff disappearing. And also he has been noticing triggers, like when he talks to a guy with his internet service, he thought, “This guy’s lying to me,” and it was triggering him. And then he even said that he realized that when we talked about this victim mode and this outside source having control over us.

And since it had a lot to do with technology, he was wondering if somehow this is all imagery related to the science wave. He also had the impression that we are at the peak of the science wave, what that means or not, but… So before I get too further in, do you have anything to say about the imagery of everything disappearing, the imagery of it being in technology? Is it related to the science wave? Does…?

ELIAS: That piece, yes. That piece, yes, and the idea of the science wave peaking, yes, I would agree with that also. And… I would say, though, that that’s obviously only part of it, that it’s also about what he is creating. And in that, disappearing things is an action of him expressing to himself to look at what he’s making important and is it actually as important as he’s making it.

ANN: (Laughs) Can I tell you one of the quotes from him? That’s funny, because when he was talking to me I wrote things down and I put his quotes. He says, “Me making a lot out of nothing.” So (laughs) he’s in line with what he’s doing. That’s interesting.


ANN: What is he making important?

ELIAS: I would agree and I would say, in your common vernacular, on the right track.

ANN: Yeah. Okay. And then our conversation moved a little bit into – and I kind of like this –lucid dreaming and lucid waking. I’ve had bits of dreams where I knew they were a dream, and a lot of times it’ll happen when something very scary is happening in a dream, it’ll scare me enough that I’m like, “AAAH!” Like I had this dream where there was this big blob coming up out of the earth and I thought it was going to be chasing me, and I was very scared, and then I remembered, “Okay, it’s a dream.”


ANN: “Just don’t be scared. Turn around and ask it, ‘What are you doing?’” And then this blob, I took it, was the earth and the earth was telling me it was looking for its children and its children were being harmed or something. Which I actually wanted to ask you about that dream. I mean, it was interesting, one, because at that point I did realize I was dreaming and I could… Well, two things. One, I did realize in the dream [that] okay, I had a choice to change it. And then Arthur and I were talking about then we can take that into your waking life, and he was talking about being the observer but not necessarily the observer because you’re the observer plus the participant. Which reminded him of lucid dreaming, and when he gets into that place where he’s the observer plus participant, then he DOES feel safe. I’m like, “Oh, that’s where I want to be.” He feels safe and nothing will be harmed for him, like he’s just kind of watching it all fold out. So I thought that was a really good place to be.

I don’t know if I’ve got that into my waking life, but maybe when I sit back and relax, allow and receive, and realize I can… See, this is where it’s tricky. It’s not from like a controlling way, like I can change my reality, because I can’t. I know I’ve been pushing, pushing, pushing, pushing, and controlling doesn’t work – I know I can’t. That does not work, or it’s very tiresome. So to sit back and receive and know that you are creating your reality but you can change it, like in a dream, you change it by the choice! By choosing something different, right?

ELIAS: Correct. Which, very much like the dream, when you are engaging lucid dreaming, that’s the piece that you recognize that you ARE dreaming and therefore then you can move in the direction of making different choices and therefore changing the dream, just as you asked the question, “Why are you chasing me?” And in that, then you’re not afraid any longer, and you’re changing the imagery by being aware and making a different choice.

ANN: “You’re changing the imagery by being aware and making a different choice.” Okay, I like that. I got it. Yeah. Changing… (Both chuckle) Oh my god. I’m just ready to let go of all of this kind of stuff. “Being aware and making a different choice.” Okay.

So, what about this earth imagery, looking for its children? Do you understand that?

ELIAS: And I would say THAT is very understandable, that YOU would present that type of a response or an answer to yourself, because you are constantly concerned with earth. And what would be considered the earth’s children? Water, air, things that you are concerned about and that you look at as important to you. I would say that that is very understandable, that you would present that to yourself in an answer in relation to the earth and its children.

ANN: Yeah. Hm. Hm. (Sighs) My goodness.

ELIAS: (Laughs) And in that, I would say that that is excellent wordage that you used in the imagery, because you automatically would make an association that children are something that are vulnerable and that are easily harmed, and you look at the earth as being something bigger and stronger and therefore in that position of the parent.

ANN: You know, I’ve been thinking lately about how I DO feel about the earth: “Oh, I want clean air, clean water, I want a healthy earth.” You know I love the earth. I love the trees. I love everything about the earth. I love the animals. I just love the earth, and I love this home. But part of the thing I think that isn’t helping me (laughs) – and like you always say is the fix is the fight – like wanting people to take actions that are —

ELIAS: Or be responsible.

ANN: Or be responsible – and myself included. I mean, I could even judge myself here, where judgment comes in. I could probably do more or other people could do more or less, or if I do something out of convenience but it’s not really helping, then I might judge myself. But I’ve been wondering, like what if I… Like on this acceptance, I mean it just feels like letting down your swords or something.

ELIAS: I would say that is an excellent analogy.

ANN: Yeah. But I almost feel like… like all will go to hell in a hay basket, but I know it won’t on some level. But you feel like when you lay it down, then if you don’t keep fighting and fighting to keep everything at bay, it’ll all come in and get overtaken or something. I mean, I know that’s just a feeling. So, I’ve been toying and playing around —

ELIAS: What I would say with that is, you’re not laying down the subject in relation to not paying attention to it any longer; you’re laying down the fight.

ANN: Yeah, and part of that fight, which I have started doing, very subtly, is not judging other people when they do things that I think are causing destruction. I’ve even been thinking about companies that maybe pollute the water, which I don’t want but I’ll have this thought, like if there is no good or bad and right or wrong, maybe something quote-unquote “good” is coming, and the “bad” is coming. I’m not, like, justifying them doing this or that; I still don’t like it, but by saying that maybe something good is happening helps me not judge them. It helps me neutralize it. It’s like —

ELIAS: I understand.

ANN: All right, so this is what’s happening. And also to realize, it’s interesting because just to tell myself, “Oh, I don’t have power, I don’t make the other’s choice,” so this is a very interesting (laughs) thing to think about. “Okay. I don’t make the choices for others. I cannot control others.”

ELIAS: Correct.

ANN: “I cannot control.”


ANN: But… but on the other hand, the whole world, everything outside of me is me, and I’m giving myself my own consequences.


ANN: That’s like okay, I’m willing to go there but I don’t really know how (laughs) to go there. You know? Just say “Okay…” Do you see my dilemma here? Or do you see what’s kind of the irony of this?

ELIAS: But in that, what I would say to you is you are correct. You’re not making choices for others, but at the same time, you are correct that you are all interconnected. And in that interconnectedness, it’s not actually a dilemma, because in that interconnectedness it’s not that you’re not paying attention. It’s not that you are not moving in a direction of being proactive in relation to what is important to you. It’s that you’re giving up the fight and therefore giving up the judgments that are not productive, that are not helpful, that simply waste your time and energy; and in that, wasting your time and energy moves you in a direction in which you’re spending that time and energy in nonproductive capacities.

ANN: Yeah! When I’m judging, I’m spending my time and energy pushing (laughs), pushing away what I don’t want.

ELIAS: Yes, you are. And also, when you’re in that direction of judging, you’re not acting; you’re actually doing nothing.

ANN: Yeah.

ELIAS: Because you are occupying yourself with thinking and judging.

ANN: Yeah.

ELIAS: If you’re doing that, then you’re not doing the things that you want to be doing that ARE productive.

ANN: Yeah. That’s another thing that I feel that I’m pretty ready to let go of, is judging. It’s been coming up. Like I was reading something and this woman was… She said something nasty about another woman, and I’m like, “Oh my god, she’s not compassionate and she thinks she’s compassionate and she’s judging!” And I go, “Oh, my god! That’s what I’m doing. I’m judging her.” (Both laugh)

ELIAS: What I would say to you is now, that can be an interesting situation because you could be noticing and not actually judging also. You could be becoming aware that this is a situation in which another individual is judging another person, and… or something else, and you’re simply observing that, but not also judging.

ANN: Yes. Absolutely. And I know when I’m judging because I’m like, “Oh, she’s not good.” Or, “She thinks she’s good but she’s not.” Well, that’s a judgment. But not a judgment is just, “Okay, she did that action.” So yeah, that is a good point. No, I still notice, but instead of paying attention to them at this point, I’m paying more attention to me and what I’m doing.

ELIAS: Yes. Yes!

ANN: Yeah. I mean, I’m paying attention to them, but how I’m reacting, I guess, is becoming more important to me.


ANN: Anyhow… But I was a little excited about that, and the reason I was excited about it is because I felt like okay, this letting go of judgment – I mean, I’m sure I’m not 100% there yet, but I feel like okay, I feel like this is something I can do. I understand this enough, I feel like I’ve got a grasp on this, I can practice it and just keep moving more and more into it.

ELIAS: Correct! And that is empowering.

ANN: Yes. It is empowering. The part that I want to get into that place – and I’m sure I will, just practice – is just this realizing that I am creating my consequences. (Elias chuckles) I just really want to know that, and I want to know I will not harm myself, but the little tricky part – and I’ve said this before, I know, we’ve talked about this before – but if I’m creating my consequences, but if I don’t really know or I’m not aware of how I’m doing it, can I really trust myself to take care of me? (Laughs) If I don’t know what I’m doing, or if I’m not paying attention. That’s where that trust comes in.

ELIAS: Yes, you can. Because in that, remember: You will always be following your desire.

Now, that doesn’t mean that it’s necessarily going to be comfortable, and that doesn’t necessarily mean that you like or agree with how you accomplish something, but it actually doesn’t matter. And in that, are you actually harming yourself? No.

Now, what I would also say is, Sometimes, remember: I have expressed repeatedly, things are not always what they appear to be. And therefore, sometimes it might seem as if you’re harming yourself, but something else comes of that and it’s NOT actually harming yourself. It’s not that you might not be uncomfortable in certain situations and in relation to certain choices that you engage, but that doesn’t automatically mean that you’re harming yourself.

Generally speaking, when you’re harming yourself, it’s something that you’re doing with an awareness of doing it. (Pause)

ANN: Hm.

ELIAS: When you’re actually hurting yourself, you generally are aware that you’re hurting yourself. You might not be aware of why, but you are aware that you’re doing it.

ANN: Okay. That’s good. (Pause) I can think of thing that make sense with that – not with myself necessarily, but with other people.

ELIAS: I understand, and —

ANN: Okay, so a question with this desire. I know maybe it’s tied in with my intent, but sometime I was thinking when my desire not to be controlled seems very… I feel like I also have this strong desire – I don’t know if it’s my engine desire but this strong desire – like this whole shift in consciousness, and what’s very alluring to me, is to be my own authority, which makes sense to me not to want to be controlled because I don’t want other people or other things controlling me. Which, you know, I’m slowly finding out (laughing) they’re not, it’s me. (Elias chuckles) But it feels like it ties in very nicely with wanting to understand and create my reality intentionally, which is something that I very much have a high desire to.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANN: I think my desire is related to this shift in consciousness.

ELIAS: I would say in this present time framework, everyone’s desire, in an indirect manner, is related to this shift in consciousness. Because that’s a part of – a major part of – your reality presently. But I would say that each of you is moving also in a direction of your desire in relation to your individual expression, your individual life. And I would agree with you in relation to what you expressed, that that IS your desire, that it’s simply another manner of saying it.

ANN: Okay. Um…

ELIAS: You’re simply using different words for the same concept.

ANN: Okay. And to maybe give Arthur a little gift, he had brought up that one of his core beliefs is sacrifice. So, your core belief, like your desire, it’s always there, but beliefs, can they change?

ELIAS: What I would say is, the idea of a core belief is actually the same as your core truth, and your core truth is one of your guidelines. Generally speaking, it’s your strongest guideline.

ANN: Hm.

ELIAS: And as to can you change beliefs? No. You can change which influences you are engaging with a particular belief, but it’s not a matter of changing beliefs. You all incorporate all beliefs.

ANN: Because that’s—

ELIAS: (Inaudible) that is the basis of your reality. It is a matter of each belief has many different influences, and yes, you can change which influence of a belief that you are expressing and engaging, and that’s where constructs come into play.

ANN: Right. And you CAN change a construct, or be aware of it.

ELIAS: You can. Yes, you can.

ANN: So like if one of his core beliefs is sacrifice, does that tie into his desire? Like the engine that…

ELIAS: Your desire is an expression that moves in harmony with your intent.

ANN: Intent.

ELIAS: It’s not the same as your intent, but it moves in harmony with your intent.

ANN: Hm. So what is his desire?

ELIAS: And I would encourage him to be evaluating that, just as I would in relation to intent.

ANN: Yeah. I’ll have to… Okay, interesting. Yeah, I figured you’d say that. (Whispering conspiratorially) I thought I’d try to sneak one in, though.

ELIAS: (Laughs) Which is quite comical, because none of you actually sneak in anything. (Laughs)

ANN: (Chuckling) All right. This feels like a good place for me to be at. I’m going to explore this idea of I’m giving myself consequences, to sit back, allow, receive and —

ELIAS: How is any of that a consequence?

ANN: Oh, I don’t think that is, is it? I was trying to give myself words to get myself in a state of being or a place that I could better SEE how I was giving myself consequences.

ELIAS: Ah, very well.

ANN: Right? I mean if I sit back, allow, receive, pay attention, choose… I know at some point in time that old foresight’s going to kick in, Elias. I’m not sure when. (Elias laughs) But I don’t have enough foresight yet to see when the foresight kicks in!

ELIAS: (Laughs) But you will.

ANN: Okay.

ELIAS: (Laughs) And [inaudible] move in the direction of control, the more you move in that direction of expressing that foresight, because the more you will be becoming self-aware, and knowing what you’re doing and knowing what you’re choosing, and doing that intentionally and being aware of interconnectedness. And all of those things move you in a direction in which it becomes easier and easier to have that foresight.

And I would say, actually at this point, if you are paying attention, you ARE expressing a slight amount of that at this point. You might not have an entire VISION of foresight, but when you make certain choices, you are aware of certain likelihoods that will occur because of, or directly or indirectly associated with, the choices that you’re making.

And in that, that’s another thing to pay attention to and to credit yourself with, because in that, you’re waiting for this awareness, in a manner of speaking, of being aware of everything that will happen in the future in relation to a particular choice that you’re making now. But what I would say is, it doesn’t simply happen suddenly; you, in a manner of speaking, are building up to that.

ANN: Is this foresight the same as… I guess it would be, or is there a little subtle difference, at least the foresight that you’re talking to? I mean, there’s certain commonsense things that I know. Let’s say I eat a whole bunch of sweet foods, I know, in foresight, I will be tired. My body will be tired because sugar makes me tired. Or if I were to neglect – see, this is like my scare thing, the consequence – why sometimes I push all the time. Let’s say I were to neglect paying my bills. I know I would get dues and late fees and stuff that come in. So there’s—

ELIAS: Partially. Partially that is foresight, because it’s foresight about consequences that you will likely create.

ANN: Right.

ELIAS: But that’s not the type of foresight that I’m speaking of.

ANN: Right. Right.

ELIAS: I’m speaking of other choices that you make that you can see potentials for that are not necessarily consequences but that because of a choice that you make, you can see that that choice has a likelihood of creating some other expression, and that you’re aware that because of the choice that you’ve made in a particular direction, that it’s likely that another choice or another expression will happen because of that – in that, not a consequence.

ANN: Yeah. Okay. Okay.

ELIAS: I would say, think about that and think about it in relation to benefits, things that are benefitting you and that you think of as positive rather than negative and a consequence.

ANN: Okay. That will be a good shift. (Elias laughs)

All right, before too much time gets away from us, I don’t even know if I have a question about this but I’ve just been noticing this and it just seems curious to me. It seems like people have been creating illnesses, like twice I noticed… So as you know, Karen had her brain tumor, and then my friend was going to go to the wedding of this woman that was called off because SHE had a brain tumor and had a brain operation. And I was even talking to Arthur yesterday, and he was saying his mother [inaudible], and then one of his clients ended up created the same illness. Then Lisa Marie Presley died because just something weird happened with her heart, and this football player, something weird happened with his heart. It’s just weird that all of a sudden I’m hearing about this stuff, and it’s happening in twos, and it’s like the same thing. And it’s not necessarily like [inaudible] – well, some of them maybe, but I don’t know. I’m wondering, why is this sticking out for me?

[The timer for the end of the session rings]

ELIAS: I would say it’s because you’re paying attention to physical imagery and looking at that as attempting to see if from a different perspective, not as a victim.

ANN: Oh, interesting. Yeah, I like that.

Okay. Well, that was the bell, and once again Elias, a great conversation.

ELIAS: (Laughs) As always.

ANN: Yes. As always.

ELIAS: (Laughs) And I express to you tremendous, tremendous encouragement, acknowledgment and support, my friend. I am always with you. And I shall be expressing my energy to you continuously in your quest to be allowing and not controlling.

ANN: Thank you!

ELIAS: That is tremendous.

ANN: I’m going to allow that energy in, Elias. I’m going to allow it.

ELIAS: Ah. Excellent. I express tremendous, tremendous love to you and dear friendship as always. Until our next meeting, au revoir.

ANN: Au revoir.

(Elias departs after 1 hour 1 minute)

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